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imported_admin
07-05-2004, 10:10 PM
Thank's to Ray for the story below. These comments will help many single men.

Regards,
Admin

Hi all
I subscribed to a well-known agency. And found about 7 Scammers in 9 replies. I got a lot of time wasted, but being astute stopped me from being scammed for money. I saw them coming. Here's some things to ask those women (likely that it's not a woman but a group of mafia) and things to spot. These comments may not show for definite that she's / they are trying to scam you, but cumulatively, you'd be wise to back off.

1. The big come ons (ok, she could really be in need and love you)
"I don't like the men of my country, they want only one thing" (that's to dupe you)
"I'm studying at university, I had a full day of seminars today" (but it was a weekend - dork)

2. Says she speaks and writes English very well - she did it at school (if she's young and it's that good - no way)

3. The photos:
One scammer had a range of age photos, one showed "recent51" (wow she's really been at the camera, but she said) "the Internet is new to me"
She had a great tan in all of them.
She had great clothes and fantastic shoes, handbag - $100 - 200 (honey, I don't have money)

4. "Only You" (Jeepers, I must be a great guy, I'm 3 times older than her and after 2 letters she wants only to write to me)

5. "Visit you" "Darling, I'm hungry for you, I can't wait to see you" is a typical blah, blah, (then she'll ask for money for something) but this one was a little crafty because "it" knew that I might be on to them...

"Hello, Darling!
...I have realized that you become a great part of my life and now all I want is to meet you soon. Please don't think I'm too spontaneous. This is not so. I was thinking a lot about it. I will not rush you into anything as I want us to feell a real happiness together. I'm thirsty to see you because I miss you much. And I do want to know you in a real life! This is my dream and my fairytale which I hope will come true soon. Will you do this for me? If your working shedule will not let you go to the europian country I will come to your place." (crafty, tried to show how willing she was) "I have told you many times already that I would like to spend the time together someday and I'm sure we don't have to wait long for this day. If we like each other so strong we should try our best in order to arrange the meeting in the nearest time" (but she's studying - remember). "Please be open with me and tell me wether you want to begin planning our meeting or maybe you want to wait more?" (good phrase, to ease the pressure and try to dupe me)
"Though our correspondence is not very long but I feel like I know you good as I'm completely open with you and I want to share all my feelings when we meet. I want to touch you, to feel your kiss and to give you mine and not only by letters.
Ok,my dear I'm finishing this letter but I will look forward to get your reply soon!
I'm ready to start all the necessary arrangements in order to come to you soon! I'm not afraid of the long distance......kissing you
Yours Olesya

PART OF MY REPLY TO TEST FOR HER SCAM without making a clear accusation: (if she didn't answer = guilty)
...Oleysa, I would very much like to find that you are the real woman. So please do not be offended by me, it is because I had the same kind of letters from other women, and the next thing that I found was that they were not real people - they were only photos - so please do not understand me in a bad way. It has happened before, that a nice woman was wanting to see me - and then I got the real news.
Guess what: she didn't answer. Because the thing behind the computer screen knows that no money is coming.

Here's some useful probing questions which they can't easily get answers for if they are not real.

Q1: Where are you studying? (then get the establishment to confirm it)
Q2: Ask for a home address, and check it with the establishment, if you can
Q3: Ask for a photo of her with family (then you'll know that the photo's not stolen by copying)
Q4: She said she didn't have a telephone at home - but she could send e-mails after midnight! Ha, Ha, Ha!
Q5: If she's writing only to you now - tell her to remove her Profile
Q6: Ask something like this:
Internet:
Now, I have to talk about something, I hope that you will not be offended by it. I do know about Lugansk, it is a place where exist many criminals who use women to make money by Internet, you heard about it. I know that many girls are used by criminals, even some girls were hurt, and some photos are stolen and the girls do not know that their photo is on the Agency. So you can understand it is so very bad for these things happening to true and honest women.

Olesya it is for your protection that I need to be sure that no person is writing and translating false information. Lugansk region is a very bad region. I do not want to add to the list of bad things. What I want is to give you the chance for a new life, so I be very careful to find that no person is using you and you do not get used by criminals.

So to help you, I do need to know where you study, and I would like your home address and photo with your family (you can take some time to do this, so please keep writing to me). Then I know that your identity is not stolen by the criminals and making copy of photo by Internet on the Agency. When I am happy about this I will be able to offer you a wonderful life. In this way I will be protecting all the other women who are trying to find happiness - so please do not be offended.

(She continued to write, but would then be quite careful, she / they were determined to get me, but I'd laid too many traps and finally she stopped writing - they are not going to waste their time - they can get money from some idiot)

FINALLY:
F1: If they want money for the Internet - tell them to sell their fancy shoes - those ones they can't afford!
F2: HEY, DON'T SEND MONEY, Don't fall for woman until you've been steadily writing and not received inconsistencies. Be smart and catch THEM. I did.

Lone Gunman
07-22-2004, 09:02 AM
Regarding

>Q4: She said she didn't have a telephone at home - but she could send e-mails after midnight! Ha, Ha, Ha!

Before so many ha ha-s are made.

I think it depends.

I think it?s the Mail-Server she uses, who sets the shown timestamp.
[u]Somebody correct me if I?m wrong here, please.</u>

Because it may have been some kind of Web Mail that was in use during sending.
So one has to be dead sure where in the World that Server actually is located.
And it may as well have been poorly maintained.


And if the ?real? sending computer sets the timestamp, is it very likely the shown timestamp is false, if IT IS a privately owned computer except if it is a XP machine always online, fed through DSL or Cable.
They may automatically adjust the system clock. If the owner has not disabled that feature, by will or ignorance.


See ya

Raibeart
07-22-2004, 11:03 PM
Ray,

&gt;2. Says she speaks and writes English very well - she did it at &gt;school (if she's young and it's that good - no way)

I have a good friend there that just graduated as a foreign language teacher. Her English is good enough that she cam mimic a British accent and pass her self off as a Brit to fellow Russians. Her English is better than mine in many ways. This not a valid point in most cases. Most of the scammers will want English lessons at $50-$100 a month so she can improve her English before coming to see you.

&gt;3. The photos:
&gt;One scammer had a range of age photos, one showed "recent51" (wow &gt;she's really been at the camera, but she said) "the Internet is new &gt;to me"
&gt;She had a great tan in all of them.
&gt;She had great clothes and fantastic shoes, handbag - $100 - 200
&gt;(honey, I don't have money)

Russian women, all Russian women, take great care of their appearance. What looks like a $200 handbag probably cost her about $40-50 USD and she saved for months to get it. Every lady that I have met from there dressed very nicely all the time. They scrimp and save for clothes. Which is one of the reason that they keep their weight more constant than here. They cannot afford to buy clothes when they gain weight.

What is boils down to is to use common sense. I have sent money to each of the ladies that I have met before meeting them. I sent ti just before going there after months of correspondence. I did not want them to be short for the train trip to Moscow or not to be able to afford to eat before I got into Moscow.

Oh, about my student friend mentioned above, they do have classes on the weekends. I have talked to her on the phone on a Sunday and she has told me about having a class or test that day.

Eta Rossia (It's Russia)

Robert

ray
07-29-2004, 04:45 PM
Hi all
Thanks for interesting info about time stamp on e-mails - I'll bear it in mind.

Her letters told me everything - typical scam come-on. So I saw everything else with grey sun glasses. Anyway, I "dun her good guv" That means I reported her, she's on another Scammer Site.

Then she reappeared on the same "famous" Agency under different name. It proved that she is an Absolute Scammer - "if you catch my drift". After a couple of protests they finaly took her off.

Hey, I bet no Russian girl could mimic my English Accent - I've got my own underground "language" - I'm a right "Cockney" !! "Me plates o' meat a' killing me" I did a lot of walking in Latvia. They say "let you fingers do the walking". It didn't work for me "on the keyboard" but last weekend's trip got me a great gal !!

ray

oysterman
07-31-2004, 07:23 PM
Hey there all,
I did not keep track of all the names and who wrote what, I just wanted to add what I have come to find out. Information is knowledge is power, well sorta (bs). Yes it is common that schools hold class or exams on weekends Saturdays mostly but even some Sundays. I did not believe this the first time I heard it. But when I was in Ukraine it was ture, I met many students. I have written to some girls whom I believe were real. They told me they have "night pack" which is an Internet contract were you can log on after midnight for much cheaper. I would suppose a translating service might have both, night pack and regular day connections. A girl could go to her translating service during the day and they might wait and send her letter at night.
I think one of the best ways I know to catch a scammer is to email her from a different email and you pretend to be someone else. works easy if you where the one who contacted her in the first place. If she contacted you, well you can write you saw her profile on bla- bla and you would like to get to know her. She can't know if you payed for her address or not. With scammers you will most likely get a rather form like letter, or as I am saying you will get the exact letter she sent the "other guy", and if you want to still believe her see what it is like after letter 2, 3, or 4, letters. Unfortunately the majority of the gals are sacmmers. Especially the ones lookin all sexy, showing clevage etc. This is not the normal behavior of the resurved Eastern European women.
Scammers are lazy other wise they would go get an honest job. I think many translating agencies use both the girls and whom they are writing to. Often there are these offers, like $100 for one month unlimited emailing. I never tried it, seems one would pay then the computer might break down or, with no recourse for you. One girl when I asked her if I was so special to her (paraphrase) would she remove her profile. She explained the agency would not let her, that she was in some kind of obligation/contract to leave it up for a certain time. That may have been a line or the way an agency works multiply guys at once. Therefore it can be a translator who sends out the same letter (or virtually so) to many, many guys.
The other guy is correct again in that Russian, Ukrainian, Latvian, Belarus, Estonia etc, etc, they like to look good. They will spend a disproportional amount of money, money they don't have on clothing. But dam, they know how to look right, even in cheep polyester. Internet is cheep there, yes about .50 /hour. many cafe's keep late, late hours or are open all night especially in big cities like Moscow or Kiev. I was also in some very out of the way places and there was Internet. If you go and need to find, ask at a post office. So a girl could go down to a cafe with a friend who might help her translate and send you a letter stamped in the middle of the night very common.
most all students study or have studied English in school. So at the least the know about it and can communicate in at least the most basic ways. However to write in a foreign language, can be the hardest part about it.
An honest girl will understand your suspicion though of course you should use tact and not directly accuse her, unless you have caught her red handed. Then I say call her the whore that she is. Honest girls will not ask you for money, (personally I don't think so) because then what are they? I met one girl I was coresponding with, it seemed to me as I got to know her, Interent and guys were bringing her more money than her job by far. She helped me out to find a place etc, but I had to wonder how many guys she had been with (tons). On the other hand a scammer will usually clam honesty and integrity or even say something to this effect before the subject even comes up.
I would be interested to know if the one gentleman really knows of organized crime in the city of Lugansk. I have been there, was scammed there. I think it is just individuals and small groups working together to take the stupid foreigners money (mine for one). The more money the more protection needed from one thief over an other, and there is a lot of money in the Internet scam business. I met a French guy there who lost thousands, me it was only hundreds. I do not know for fact, but it is common for businesses to pay off police to stay in business and keep from being harassed. Therefore in the city of Lugansk for example it may pay the police quite well to let internet scam continue. My, "girl friend" -whore had a couple of fit guys to help her out and beat the crap out of me. I do not think it was mafia, but just some thugs probably made $20 or some favors from this gorgeous girl- whore-bitch.
One definitely needs to be careful. I think this web site is great (THANK YOU!). My trip to the Ukraine hurt a lot in more ways than one. I have noticed since my wonderful trip to the Ukraine Lugansk and other places that Lugansk puts a lot of very nice looking gals on the Internet- lots! At the least it must be a well known way to make money in that town.
I wrote to a, Olesya for a short time who was also from Lugansk. Turns out she used the same correspondence agency?? what da ya know about that?!?! I wonder if it was the same Olesya.
I hope my information helps somebody. Guys face the fact, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. It is normal however for a guy to date and marrie a woman 10 even -15 years younger, but much more than that it becomes about money just like in the states.:(

southamerican
08-03-2004, 03:11 PM
Hello... I must say that I am new in this adventure of finding a Russian woman and I have spent the last five weeks writing some letters and reading tons of information about scammers.

Now I have two ladies who are corresponding with me, but I must confess that I have become somewhat paranoic... I mean I have read so much information including scam letters sent by men to this website and I am so confused that I dont know if I will ever succeed in this effort. But I decided to write this post to ask the following:

a) How does a letter from a real woman look like?
b) What does a real woman usually talk about?
c) What is the "normal" period of time that a woman takes to express some romantic interest in you (if she ever expresses it)?
d) Do real women ever say they want to meet you or that they want to go to your country?

Your help will be greatly appreciated

Southamerican

Raibeart
08-03-2004, 11:23 PM
It is difficult to tell you specifically what to look for. But if you have been reading the topice on the forum, you have a good idea. If you want, you can send me the body of the letters (no email information in them) an I will look at them for you and see if there is something for you to be careful of based on what they are writing.
My email address is rl_stewart@highstream.net

KBITKA
09-02-2004, 04:34 AM
Dear Gentlemen!
I have several questions to you.
1. If you are so suspicious about Slavic women why don't you try American ones? Are they cheaper for you? :)
2. I see how American women look like, in young age it is a ton of fat, pierced and chewing gum, using your credit card (my husband suffered from it), and nice-looking old ladies in Hawaii (at last they found out how to take care of themselves!). I understand your desire to find DIFFERENT woman. But why you don't search for them in Sweden, Switzerland, Canada (if you are from the US) and so on?
3. Why do you all send letters asking - how do you have fun? Who cares of have fun in Russia??? (I kept receiving stupid letters from americans asking me what type of a car i have and how many miles per hour i do - i use public transportation!) Can you read a little bit more about Russia/Ukraine and life-style there and ask questions about the life your darling has?
4. Do not become paranoic about scammers. I worked as an interpreter for the girls (normal, serious ones) and we would receive the letters saying that all the women "are scammers, if you have such intentions, stop writing to me". What does a serious girl say when she receives such letters? Normally she says "Oh, my godness, why i always meet jerks who were scammed by others and now they will suspect me in everything??!" Especially when the full story is told to them about your past visits to Kiev/Lugansk/Kremenchug etc. with the details how you helped one of that scammer girl and the sum of money. Dear Gentlemen, they all have kids and those serious ones realize that you will never trust them too much to help them to pay for writing to you, because they had to pay to a translator (me, for instance).
The question: Why you still continue even losing all the money in that hostile country??
Stop whining and crying - ain't American women cheaper for you?? :)
Irina

Treasure state - my sweet home!

KBITKA
09-02-2004, 04:43 AM
another thing.
1. I was (and i am still) a young student, i had courses on weekends and i was studying translation - thus, my English was ok.
2. I had no phone, but i gave my neighbor's number (may her days be light and happy:)
3. i could e-mail from the netcafe in the night - it is sometimes really cheaper. And i lived in a small town by the way.
4. ask for more pictures of a girl and her friends, more "true" pictures. If she doesn't send them, only studio ones, ask her why. Sometimes women do not want to send usual pictures (she is at home cooking and so on) because they are ashamed of their poor apartments and sometimes (they are real women!) they do not like the way they look at home :) As for the pictures of her and her family, it is a difficult matter to be honest. I had the pictures of me ad my mom and dad, but they were old (pics).
5. ask her about the English and if she thinks to learn it. what does she know about your country and tell her something about life there, not just about casinos and what not, but how do you have to work (but do not complain too much - our women can work as horses sometimes).
well... what else.
good luck to you, men
Irina



Treasure state - my sweet home!

Raibeart
09-02-2004, 04:56 AM
Irina,

Great post.

To answer your question. I was looking for a woman that was willing to love me, not my bank account or credit card. And, I found her. It took work to do it. And, no matter where you look, it is going to take work.

Personally, I never accused any woman of scamming me. And I nver wrote the kind of letter you mentioned. But I am sure there were many that were written that way. Also, I have heard from friends that do translations like you did of the vulgar letters men wrote to ladies about sex and their perversions. So, the men are just as bad and in many cases worse than the ladies.

Guys, in general, they do not speak, read, or write a foreign language. To correspond with them, you will need to be a gentleman and pay for it. If you are not interested enough to spend a few dollars on correspondence, then look in your own country again and do not waste the lady's time and money.

Also, just some stastics for you to ponder...

Out of 100 men writing to ladies in Russia, only 10 EVER go there to meet them.

Out of those 10, only 5 ever go a second time.

Out of the 10 that went, only 5 - 6 ever follow through and bring the lady to his country.

And, out of those that do get married, about 40% end in divorce.

So, the divorce average is a little better than the general public, but, just because she is Russian does not mean that she will put up with an idiot for the rest of her life.

This is not for everyone. So, if you have any doubts, then think long and hard about it before continuing.

I am moving to Russia in October to be with my fiance and marry her. One of the things that I will be doing there is creating a men's scamming list to profile the men that write and don't go, are perverts, and accuse of scamming from the first letter. The ladies will be able to look for the men there before writing to them, just like you can at this site.

I wonder if any of the men here will be listed on it. ????

KBITKA
09-02-2004, 05:29 AM
dear Raibeart! (I think it is a nickname but i may be mistaken)
thank you for your trust to our women (at least to that one special - be happy with her!).
Yes, you are right, they do not speak foreign languages in general.
I just wanted to ask you what do you think about those dating tours men go?
You know, i have a feeling that everyone must have choice, eithr it is a woman from Ukraine or a man from the US. But. Women definitely do not have such a wide choice as men who go on tours where they can see the girls in real for sure. They can choose. Women sometimes get a reply to their ads and a man doesn't even attach any picture motivating it by saying that he has "no pictures" or after long correspondence sends the letter with a huge file. I personally deleted such files when they sent them to me, sorry, men, whom i could hurt. Internet is a normal thing for Ukraine already but the speed still leaves much to be desired in most of the cities...
Travelling men are not serious sometimes. I remember one of my clients who went to Kiev to meet a man from L.A. who came to see her. He presented her a nice pendant (she hated it later), and then when they packed to change an apartment, she saw a bag filled with those pendants and he didn't look like the man who is selling them LOL. His name is Dave Staples for your information. Though ladies do not read this now, because they do not really know about this site, it is a pity though because it would help both women and men. I do not see such an agression here as on other sites, but just a heart pain.
I wish you to be happy with your wife, keep your eyes open and learn more life in the country your wife is from. We have a rich cultural background, i am ashamed of those who scam you, nice men.
much love and warmth to you
Irina:)

Treasure state - my sweet home!

Raibeart
09-02-2004, 05:51 AM
Irina,

Raibeart is the Gaelic spelling of Robert. And it does make a good nickname.

Personally, I would never go on a tour like what you wrote about. I need to have a person to go see and spend time with. Many, not all, of the tours are called sex tours here because that is why many men go on them.

Men. Send a photo or photos in the first letter or two. Give her ones that show the real you. Make sure they are not over 100 k apiece. Like Irina said, the connections there are dialup and not fast at all. Mine at home is 21.6 to 28.4 kps. My only alternative is microwave or satellite. They do not usually have an alternative. I have seen 9600 bps modems in use there. For them a modem is sometimes half a months salary.

Irina, I will be there for at least a year and probably two. And, unlike most other men, if the businesses that I am going to try and start work out, I will just come back to the USA to visit and I will live in Russia. So, I think that I will learn much about the curlture and history of the country.

KBITKA
09-02-2004, 07:11 AM
Yes, Robert, it is true what you are saying. And forgive me for not recognizing your name. :)
I must admit you are a very serious and brave man to have decide to move to Russia (even if you move to Moscow with all its opportunities it gives to people now). My husband wanted to be with me no matter what happened and he even said that he would move to Ukraine and this made me respect him more. But I am not so cruel and i do not want him to feel lost in the country where most of the people do not speak English and where he would not find a decent job (though who knows? no, thanks, we do not mow our lawns LOL).
I respect you for your serious decision but i may ask you why you do not marry her there and then do the K3 visa? This is how we did though we got American marriage license first (he is from Montana and they still can use an obsolete law about proxy marriages and Texas too if i am not mistaken).
Again accept my congratulations and respect in your decision.
Regards,
Irina
P.S. Though if you are Gaelic (i do not want to sound ignorant), and it means that you are from the UK?


Treasure state - my sweet home!

Raibeart
09-02-2004, 11:53 AM
Irina,

Very good. My ancestors were from Scotland. Which think of themselves as independent of Great Britian. :-)

Thank you for the compliments. I am a bit afraid of doing it. No one in their correct mind would not be. But, again, it is what I was asking of her. We plan on filing directly for her green card after being married for 6 months. She is delighted that I would do this for her, and so is her family. My family is another story. They are not very happy about it.

I just hope that everything will go well and that if we return to live here, that she will be happy here also. As soo as we can, we will come here so my family can meet her and her daughter.

I think it is a delight to have a woman's perspective on this list. Maybe it can move some of the men to looking for hope instead of standing at the wailing wall. :-)

Robert

KBITKA
09-22-2004, 04:08 PM
Hello, robert!
sorry for my quite late reply (we are moving to other house and my life is full of boxes LOL).
I have already contacted some of my friends in Ukraine and I think we could do something for honest dating thing. But the problem is that I do not know too many women - many from those I knew are already married and live in different states or in Germany and Norway.
Let me know what is your idea about it all and do you have a good database either.
Sincerely,
Irina

Treasure state - my sweet home!

Raibeart
09-28-2004, 09:45 PM
Hummmm... and what about the married men that write to real women for months and then "disappear" without a further word to the lady or ladies that he is writing to. Rudness aside Aussie, there are scammers on both sides. I have been to Russia 6 times, Ukraine 1 time, and Lithuania 2 times. Before I got smart, I was scammed, but never for much. The worst scam was a trip I made and the type of "buy me this" scam that you talked about. But, I also limited the damage and friends of mine recovered almost everything for me by threatening her with a call to the police. From the sound of your ranting, you have no business looking for a woman any where. Until you can trust someone, you have no business in a relationship. I have been lucky in that I found a great woman and I will be moving to Russia to be with her. Yeah, she is not really interested in coming to the USA. Amazingly enough, she want to have a good husband and father for her duaghter. She wants to be loved and cared for. And, she has NEVER asked me for a penny.

AmericanRichardC
10-08-2004, 11:40 PM
SOUTH AMERICAN ASKED:
a) How does a letter from a real woman look like?
b) What does a real woman usually talk about?
c) What is the "normal" period of time that a woman takes to express some romantic interest in you (if she ever expresses it)?
d) Do real women ever say they want to meet you or that they want to go to your country?

Let me answer these questions from my own experiences and that of my friends answering a&b together followed by c&d:

a&b) You?ll get some basic information about her and the letter will be fairly short. She?ll say she?ll answer all your questions (and if you ask her a reasonable number of appropriate questions, she'll answer them adequately). She may say that she doesn?t like to write a lot that she is interested in a face-to- face meeting. Ask for her phone number and she?ll give you it without hesitation; if she is interested in you, she?ll want you to call her. It is never the case that a girl does not have access to a phone although the quality of the line may be poor and it may be a neighbor?s or relative?s.

If you actually meet this woman on her home turf and she
decides that there is merit in continuing a dialogue, she?ll write
you more frequently and will tell you about how her day went,
how she celebrated a holiday, etc.

A real woman does NOT:

Write in flowery English about love and write stanzas about love

Go on [i]ad nauseum about nonsense like how she ?loves life?

Express eternal devotion without ever having met you

Ask for money before you start having a relationship with her
(unless it is specifically connected with meeting you eg train fare
or air fare from a provincial city and you are meeting in the capital; the amount in question should be small meaning 50$
and probably much less)

c&d)Most woman will not express any romantic interest in you before a meeting between the two of you. A very few woman might try
to coax you into visiting her by making some kind of very mild
amorous reference. ?I hug you strongly? (Sorry this really
sounds dumb in English). Even after you meet and, if luck would
have it, you share some intimate moments, this reticence about
expression of romantic interest doesn?t greatly change.

Expectations do, however. After 2-3 trips to her country, she?ll
expect an invitation to visit you in your country after which, if not before, she?ll expect an offer of marriage. The real Russian
woman is serious and if you don?t ask for and deliver, within a
reasonable amount of time, marriage she?ll disappear and refuse
to answer your emails. If not, it?s a danger signal indicating an
ulterior motive for perpetuating the connection.

Concerning Ray's observations, I have two comments: Is he more interested in baiting scammers or in finding his second half? If a man is suspicious about a woman, it might be more profitable just to cut her off and focus on those ladies that at least appear genuine.

Is Ray's experience a case of "garbage-in, garbage-out?" What websites does he tap into only to find such a high ratio of scammers and likely scammers to overall women? One such source that can prove to be a well-spring of scamming and rip-offs is www.absoluteagency.com which has very few (for want of a better term) sincere women in my experience. I'd like to know those sites that he is using if only so I can avoid them.

I look forward to hearing your reply, Ray.

Richard

ray
10-29-2004, 12:29 AM
Hi Richard
Sorry for late reply, I haven't been around for a while. I gave up on Agencies. I Absolutely gave up on one leading Agency a long time ago - it's a totally waste of time GUYS, ABSOLUTELY FORGET IT. They know it is used by most scammers and they don't care.

I tried Merry Dating - Much less scammers there, but its now got very popular and I've been doing a bit of Scam Hunting and got a new one coming on the site, plus one old one. Yes, I'm out to get Scammers, but I don't waste a lot of my time on it now - I'm out to protect innocent guys BUT I JUST CANT BELIEVE HOW DUMB SO MANY MEN ARE - DON'T WRITE TO A SEXY PHOTO - THEY ARE 99% FAKERS - and those guys have no chance of getting laid if that what they're primarily after.

If guys want to move quicker, propose "shall I come to you", or "you come to me" Likely is that a scammer will say "I come to you". It saves you going and entertaining her at your cost and getting scammed later - but you've been scammed anyway. Better to go on a dating or tour.

As for me - I've given up through Internet, since July. I tried the real thing and went to a real dating Agency in the EEC and met someone real within an hour - I met a fab blonde, we clicked, she never asked for money. I was a very happy man. Then she left me, but we met again. There's a chance she'll come back. It is a very nice story and I won't give up. She writes better letters now, we are going to meet again. So, my story is, if I can get my real girl back, it will be because she will see my value as a real guy, and I will have won her heart. I climb mountains, solo, and my love story is another great climb. It might turn into a classic story - just like my incredible book that will hit the shelves next year. I'll let you all know.
Cheers

ray

HEY SCAMMERS, you missed a true and faithful guy who knows how to treat a woman - when you are old you still won't have a real man or real love, you will have money but you'll die lonely.

ray
01-14-2005, 01:36 AM
She left the Agency, stating she'd met an American, but she denied it in e-mail and agreed to meet me again. No news, all's quiet. She may have killed herself, she was a girl who left home at 16 got a kid at 18 and tried to kill herself twice. I was the first decent man she met. I have no way to trace her because they moved.



ray

ray
01-14-2005, 01:45 AM
REAL LETTERS:
For all the equiries above. I've a meet this weekend in Ukraine. Just a huge difference with this girl's letters. So flaming normal. Problem is, I ain't going to marry anyone - just too much legal protection exists in Europe - In cases of divorce, the women get the lot if you so much as sneeze. She can make the choice of a better life - it is not a sin to live together. She's got the daughter I'm looking for as a family, but I'm not leaving my life's work open to divorce.

ray

mattib
03-24-2005, 06:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by Raibeart

Irina,

Great post.

To answer your question. I was looking for a woman that was willing to love me, not my bank account or credit card. And, I found her. It took work to do it. And, no matter where you look, it is going to take work.

Personally, I never accused any woman of scamming me. And I nver wrote the kind of letter you mentioned. But I am sure there were many that were written that way. Also, I have heard from friends that do translations like you did of the vulgar letters men wrote to ladies about sex and their perversions. So, the men are just as bad and in many cases worse than the ladies.

Guys, in general, they do not speak, read, or write a foreign language. To correspond with them, you will need to be a gentleman and pay for it. If you are not interested enough to spend a few dollars on correspondence, then look in your own country again and do not waste the lady's time and money.

Also, just some stastics for you to ponder...

Out of 100 men writing to ladies in Russia, only 10 EVER go there to meet them.

Out of those 10, only 5 ever go a second time.

Out of the 10 that went, only 5 - 6 ever follow through and bring the lady to his country.

And, out of those that do get married, about 40% end in divorce.

So, the divorce average is a little better than the general public, but, just because she is Russian does not mean that she will put up with an idiot for the rest of her life.

This is not for everyone. So, if you have any doubts, then think long and hard about it before continuing.

I am moving to Russia in October to be with my fiance and marry her. One of the things that I will be doing there is creating a men's scamming list to profile the men that write and don't go, are perverts, and accuse of scamming from the first letter. The ladies will be able to look for the men there before writing to them, just like you can at this site.

I wonder if any of the men here will be listed on it. ????

jammer699669
07-30-2005, 05:16 AM
Sometimes it is needed to be real. No matter where you look for a women you can get scammed in one way or another. I have none men to get married and lose everything. Is it really any different to get scammed for a few bucks.
You need some common sense.
1) never send cash
2)It is rare for anybody to fall in love with you in 10 days, even harder when you have not met face to face.
3) check the lists
4)use recommended agency's check the anti scam sites for recommends
5)Don't fall in love with a picture , that means look for someone that matches you not a hardbody 1 third your age.

A common sense approach.
I found out a person was trying to scam me for surebecause someone sent me info. I checked the scam list and lo and behold the letters she(?) had written me were identical
I thought i was being scammed but now I knew for sure. So do your homework and check and check and check
Another hard and fast rule is that in Canada / USA etc is that alot of women will decieve you about alot of things so maybe it is better to possible lose a few bucks then have your heart ripped out LOL

More cheap advice
I will tell her this when she requests money. IF she can borrow the money from her family and or friends etc. When she shows up I will transfer the money back to Russia or wherever. Generally after a few more letters she is gone.
This is because if the pics are fake and she is a scammer, she ,they ,it have to show up to get paid



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09-20-2006, 03:26 PM
hello guys....hhhmmmpppttttt lets just say it in simple way...well if you meet a lot of scammers...means you have some bad luck and if you meet real woman in your life you are lucky...but now adays only few real woman left and that is me....lololol...just want ya all laugh...but its true my hubby so very lucky to have me...:):):)

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