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Smoje
08-20-2004, 05:51 PM
Hello:

I just discovered this web and I like to make you some questions about the web page http://www.confidentialconnections.com, what do you think about it?

I think this system is a little bit overprized, but I fall in love with a Ukranian girl, on the profile has a banner of this site (Stop Scammers) that says "This profile was checked and approved by Stop-Scammers.com" that's is real?

Any response will be appreciated, thank you! ;)

imported_admin
08-20-2004, 06:28 PM
Hello Smoje,

Some months ago we contacted all web sites owners and asked them to remove this banner. We do not check and approve profiles. If this banner is still on site, be carefull - it may be a scam agency.

Best regards,
Administrator

Elena
08-21-2004, 06:56 AM
Hmmm, once, about few months ago, surfing on i-net I saw a picture of a girl ... really very nice[:X]. I think she was russian. After that I saw the some picture at bulgarian website. This bulgarian website is onnly in bulgarian so Im sure there are no scammers there... anyway ... maybe if I continue surfing I will see the some picture in another site... so if you want to know is the girl real... just check her pic on another site :D good luck and ... dont fall in love before to check the girl ;)

norviking42
09-13-2004, 09:21 PM
Hello!
About confidential connections , first of all i beenin kharkov 4 times the last 2 years and i have used alot, overprised maybe they are in some services, but not for all of them, but they have a ladies membership rules that i not understand like this one :9. You will remove membership(s) from any other dating sites. If you do not remove your profiles your membership will be canceled.
If they practised this rules it would have been very thin with ladies on this site, becuse very many of them you find in other sites too.
The service there is good but be aware that some ladies i meet there say that they think they send letters to men without their knowlegde.
but all in all they are very polite and helpful when you are there.
And for the prices i use only some of their services when i am there . i always get my own accomandation and i travel with local transports.
The thing that is very god there is that you have the interprenter as long as you wish even to the early morning , and most of them is very helpful to you. so all in all , thay are not so bad.
But maybe they have grown to big now this days.
I like small agencies better , becuse thay have better time for you.

norviking42
09-13-2004, 09:22 PM
Hello again!
I forgot something : The banner is still on their site .

sugestr
11-03-2004, 12:16 AM
Dear administration of a site www.stop-scammers.com

We did not receive any notice via email from your company that you have stopped the service.

We have immediately removed yours banner from our profiles as soon as have seen the message of this forum.

Thank.

Administrator of
ConfidentialConnections.com

sugestr
11-03-2004, 12:19 AM
Also i want to show you letter from our president:
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To whom it may concern,

Confidential Connections has been in business for over 4 years(1999), we have over 200,000 registered users. We have full time staff in 7 offices in the Ukraine. Our administrative offices (translators, web design and control is open virtually 20-22 hours per day) Every e-mail that is written to a lady, we personally call the lady and tell her of the letter. The lady has the option of answering the letter, in our office, in her home (with a printed copy) or by her phone.

Most men (not ever seeing the Ukraine in person) forget how depressing life can be in a foreign country that has little or no income for its citizens. If I were a lady there the world outside my country looks good. Just like men who write to many ladies on the site, the lady's can write to many men on the site.

We welcome you to view our free live web cams, which will show the TRUTH.

http://www.confidentialconnections.com/webcams.rpx

All the ladies do exist. If she has been on another site, it shows on her profile. If a lady breaks any of the rules of her membership or is known to be a "scammer" she is removed from the site. We do not sell addresses or phone numbers.

Your best bet in this "online dating thing" is to go visit the ladies and then decide for yourself. We cannot make everybody happy all the time but we try our best.

Sincerely,
Victor Filin Filin Yuk
Confidential Connections

sarona
11-08-2004, 10:43 PM
Perhaps use for meeting any lady site where ladies pay too???

norviking42
11-09-2004, 02:21 AM
Hey aussieman!
you have both right and wrong about what you saying here, i have been involved with CC before and most that they do is right, i also have met some former girls , girls who has been with the agency before, and they have also told me that often letters has been sent without the girl has desided that she want a letter to be sent.
But when it's come to how expensive it is , so is CC cheaper than the most on writing , but charge very good for meetings, if you not buy a packages, and the translator prices is average , you will find both cheaper and more expensive down there.
And if you read the womans rules on their site they also say that the woman shall only be on their site orelse they will be deleted, this is not true, if they should done that it would be very thin with ladies on their sites :).
But overall i am ok with CC, but you must learn how to use their services, and if you realy want their private mail and so, it is ways to do that too.

norviking42
11-09-2004, 10:45 PM
Hello aussie !
Yes that is right , that they censor the mail , so it is not possible to give any private contact information, but this is also usual in all marriage agencies, except those where you buy adresses, but this agencies i think is worse than this , becuse there you buy a adress without know if you ever get any answer on your mail, and we have this **** agencies as Anastasia web, that charge 6-7$ just to open the letter and the same if you want to write back, and notice in this agencies as Anastasia web , you will get loads of e-mail every day :), so if that not is worse than CC, then i not know what you talking about.
but it is many agencies on the net , and all of them has the same policy, to not give you the girls adresses,except from this one's there you buy the adresses, but then again you have the translation problem, you need to translate the letters, and this cost often more than the service true CC.

norviking42
11-15-2004, 03:19 AM
hey Aussie!
Yes, you are right about much of this you saying , and i have been in Kharkov several times, and i also know that it is letters that the agencies just write without the lady's knowlegde about it . i have met several girls there, who also tell the same , i think Steven maybe is getting too greedy , and he realy expend a lot now too , also he own a strip bar in Kharkov, there the agencies often send their clients on a day off, if there is no datings that evning.
But when i travel there i usually has more options , than true CC , just becuse i know how the acting on the marked and as i told you about the ladies rules on their site, their database should been very slim , if it is true as they say , that the ladies must not be regged on other agencie sites:).
This agency need to look over their doings, and begin to act more seriously , becuse even the letters from the ladies in the agency begin to be a little strange.
But this is only my opinion , but after a lot of corresponding i must say this is my experience and i also talked with more men that been in contact long with this agency, and they also has the same feeling.
And one of CC's ladies even was on TV in a american program , where she acted very strange and ended up to got some money from the guy on the trip and of course after that it was silence:).
But not so funny after al, becuse i also has seen her on at least 10 other sites and agencies, and she has been a member with those also a long time.
But good luck to you and your girl there , and by the way if you have any tips on where to get some seriouse not only money seeking girls , my ears is open.

sugestr
11-20-2004, 02:29 AM
From ConfidentialConnections.com administrator

Hello, dear John.

If you say that the system does not let the email addresses out how could this woman got it???

You say she had to fight to get it - it is bull ****. If this lady were so interested in you that she needed to fight for your email
address (that is actually very funny) why didn't she reply to your last letter that you sent her through our system?

You may say (as you supposed before) that she just didn't get it? Am I right? That was your suggestion why she didn't reply to your
letter? Because she sent you a letter with your contact information but she didn't reply to it as we didn't inform her about this letter.
If it is this way how she knew later that you wrote her a letter with
your contact information that she had to fight for???

If you say that she had to fight for this address and if you say that everything is censored in our system - the most logical thing we
could do is to remove the Lady that broke our rules from the site? As you can see she is still on our site.

If she also as she told you had such a big quarrel with us why she is still on the site? Why didn't she remove herself from the site as now
(as you suggest) she has everything she could dram about - your email address?

The only right decision would be to remove her profile from our site.
But she is still with us and I can tell you Angela is satisfied with our services as she joined us in 2001, not it is almost 2005 - so she
has been on this site for 4 years and if everything is as bad as she says why has not she removed her profile???

You say:
She told me that c.c does not categorically give out e-mail or other contact addresses of ladies or the men that write to them and she had a real fight to get mine but c.c backed off and gave my address to her and she then cancelled her membership with the agency.

You can check yourself - this Lady is STILL AT OUR SITE.
If she wants to remove her profile from our system - all she needs to do is to come to the office and inform us about her decision.
But it has not happened yet and I assure you it won't happen in nearest future.

You can see this lady under the number 308 - she is still on our site
and actually I has just spoken to her (on November, 19 when she came
to the agency in the evening) - I asked her in a very polite way having the witnesses if she really would like to remove her profile from our system she said that she does not know you as well she has never had such an idea to remoe her profile from our site.

Under these circumstances I would like to ask you to send us the letter from Angela sent to you where she said that she would like to
remove her profile form our site as well where she said that she was not able to get your contact information and she had to fight for it.
We need just one proof. It is not too much as it is about the reputation of our agency.

She told me C.C agency is a very good money making business that cheats both the women and men that use them.

We don't involve our clients into how we make business, so she cannot
have any idea about how much money the agency makes.

If you don't have any proofs about it, this does not make any sense.
So, we are waiting with anticipation your proofs.
Otherwise we consider your words as just bla-bla-bla.

[b]As for us, we have a real proof that Angela is still at our site and she is not going to remove her profile - after my conversation with her she went to our free English classes where we took the picture and the video that everybody can see:

Photo: http://video.confidentialconnections.com/hotvideo/angela-308-19november2004.jpg
Video: http://video.confidentialconnections.com/hotvideo/angela-308.avi

With this proof I guess we can easily put under doubts all you said before.

========
Victor Filin-Filinyuk
representativ of ConfidentialConnections.com
Ukraine, Kharkov

sugestr
11-26-2004, 12:25 AM
REPLY TO THE AUSSIEMAN:

Dear John.
You say:
Look there was an email from a person claiming to be Angela and she had used the name Anzhelina Sh@ at a free russian e-mail service and
she knew all the details of our correspondence and I received it 13th November 2004 and I did an IP trace and the mail originated from
Kharkov, Ukraine where this girl lives."
The matter is that Angela and Angelina is the same name but used in different variants like Natalya and Natasha.
but it is not about the names now.


On November, 13 you wrote:
"SMALL VICTORY OVER CONFIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS
The agency is a money scam anyway you bloody slice it.
Before I stopped using this agency I wrote to a girl, Angela ( in Russian name is Anzhelina ) 4 times.
The girl is real.
I used a translator and wrote in Russian warning her about this agency and the e-mail got through there system and she has left the agency
and set up her own private e-mail box with rambler.ru
I got a private e-mail from her recently and she told me that she had a big quarrel with Confidential Connections after reading my last
e-mail that went through the agency e-mail system and she made them give out my direct e-mail address.
She told me that c.c does not categorically give out e-mail or other contact addresses of ladies or the men that write to them and she had
a real fight to get mine but c.c backed off and gave my address to her and she then cancelled her membership with the agency."
These are your OWN words, they are posted at this site.
What you say now:
"Look there was an email from a person claiming to be Angela and she
had used the name Anzhelina Sh? at a free Russian e-mail service and she knew all the details of our correspondence and I received it 13th
November 2004 and I did an IP trace and the mail originated from Kharkov, Ukraine where this girl lives"

So, now you are trying to say that the person that wrote you to the
email address you sent in your letter through our system to the Lady called Angela, is not the same person whom you corresponded through
our site and who wrote to your private email address let in your last letter through our site.
I repeat - you are trying to deny the evident facts! One week ago you were sure that it was the same person because she told you some stuff
about our agency and pretending to leave our site.
Now after seeing her picture and her video you say that it may be not her but someone from our staff.
I want to tell you we respect the law and the things you are trying to
suppose (first you supposed that someone as writing the letters from
Angela through our system, now you decided to go further and you claim
that someone is writing the letters instead of Angela through a usual email service!!!)

It is really strange, you are right!
Now, you also say that we probably paid this Lady 50$
I want to tell you you should respect a little our people - if you
think that any woman may do whatever they tell her for 50$ I guess you
should not look for a wife either in Ukraine or Russia or anywhere else.

You may also suppose we fabricated the video record and the photo?
I have to tell you we don't have such an equipment that would offer us to fabricate this tape or this photo.
We don't want to post this video for the benefit of yourself, all we want to do is to defend the truth. If you don't want to accept the
truth that the fact that you may be wrong, so, let it be.
But we don't want to stay away from any unjust accusations that damage
our reputation - of course we will be defending ourselves.
So, ACCORDING TO YOUR REQUEST, YOUR PROFILE WAS SUCCESSFULLY REMOVED FROM OUR SITE, ONE EMAIL CREDIT YOU HAD AT OUR SITE WAS RETURNED TO
YOU - YOU MAY CHECK IT YOURSELF IN A COUPLE OF DAYS (IT TAKES ABOUT 2 DAYS MAXIMUM) AND MAKE SURE WE ALSWAYS RUN ANY HONES POLICY TOWARD
OUR CLIENTS!!!

I wish you all the best and good luck.


P.S. You say:
"C.C agency appear as an honest site by doing a "trash attack" on me
so that other members of this site would start to think of me as a dick head and a liar and view you people as honest with hearts of gold!"

But later you say:
"Sugestr, imagine you have received a parcel from me at your agency c.c. Imagine, you have opened it and found a turd inside from me. o.k
Pity I cant send a real turd to you through the mail!" - if you think
that such words describe you in a positive way I can tell you even if
we had an idea to make you out a fool we would not have to do anything
as you would do everything in this direction for us yourself:)

11-29-2004, 01:28 PM
:)Hey sugestr..I deleted my comments in the forum about your agency, why dont you do the same and we call it fair and square with no further comment!

sugestr
01-29-2005, 10:55 PM
Hello ADMINs of stop-scammers.com.

I did not recieve any answer from you!
I wrote private email 2 week ago!

Can you help us solve this problem?
Hope, you will answer to us soon.

Thank you.

>
>
> Dear Administrator
> I write on behalf of Confidential Connections company concerning two
> topics posted at Your site.
>
> http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=84
>
> http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=120
>
> Taking into consideration the fact that the person that declared his
> complaints concerning our company has completely removed all his
> comments from Your site we would like to ask you to remove both
> threads:
>
> http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=84
>
> http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=120
>
> as mister John Vince known at your site as "aussieman40" gave up and does not
> want to put any other comment concerning our company. Without his comments both
> topics look strange and make no sense moreover they may affect our reputation in
> some negative way. As mister John Vince "aussieman40" has completely removed his
> profile from our site, his comments from yours, we can consider this case as
> closed and we would ask you to remove these threads completely. Thank you very
> much for your attention. Confidential Connections, with best wishes.
>
>
>

--
Andrew Klimenko
CTO of ConfidentialConnections.com

Anders112
06-29-2005, 10:57 AM
Hi all want to tell that ConfidentialConnections have
known scammer on there site and dont take her away from
the site, They know about it I have send mail about her.
They write ConfidentialConnections fights against scams and do our best to protect you!
So whay dont they take away scammer like girl 2637.

jsk21
06-29-2005, 08:26 PM
Any agency is a scam if they do not provide each lady's real contact info (home address, telephone #, email address.)

I do not care if they have webcams or not.

Confidential Connections is a scam because they want to control and dominate the women. You'll never get in touch with the women directly. You'll always have to go through them and pay for correspondence. And God forbid if you want to meet her in person.

"Our system" Confidential Connections writes. WE DON'T NEED "YOUR SYSTEM". We just need each girls REAL CONTACT INFO so we can contact each girl DIRECT not through you.

YOU SCAM ARTIST

Suckered
08-16-2006, 02:39 PM
Confidential connections will promise you(as they did me) that they will take a photo of your lady recieving her gift(flowers,perfume,etc) but when she supposedly does recieve them they(after much prodding) reply that the lady refused due to not being ready for photo taking. All that they have to do is give her the gifts in front of one of their video cameras(that they say proves their honesty)but they don'y even try. I tried twice to get photos of this but to no avail. They will tell you to order the telephone/webcam interview with her, but you will need their translator and you will be at their mercy to get an honest communication. They can call the real lady in and interview her telling her any story they want in order to get you to continue spending money for a year as some have, only to have her mysteriously end it after a year of constructive communications. They do not make it possible to really see if it is the lady that you need to confirm you are writing to. I think that the top 100 must be the cash cows that they use to manipulate cash from our pockets over and over again. The others on the site may be allowed to resume normal communications and even get married for real good looking public relation testimonials for their company. Oh and by the way, I understand that knock-offs are everywhere found in Ukraine. Do you honestly think that these guys will give REAL Christian Dior perfume to the lady? If they even do really give her the perfume at all it will be Knock-off $5.-$10. dollar perfume that you just paid up to $190.00 us. for. If she is one of the much abused cash cows they will deliver nothing at all. BIG MONEY MACHINE I say. Signed; SUCKERED

JJL
08-22-2006, 12:13 AM
Hello. This is my first post.

Today, I received an e-mail/letter from a women on Confidential Connections. What is so strange is that it contained the exact same paragraph, word-for-word, that I received from another young women a month or so ago (i.e., an account of the woman getting on a bus, not having enough money and being allowed to ride for free). Both letters were interpreted by the same person Katerina D. Today, I contacted a person at Confidential Connections to voice my concern. He told me they were having "technical" problems. I then e-mailed Confidential Connections concerning this matter. It will be very interesting to see what story they invent to hide this flagerant scam. It appears that at least some of the letters written to their customers are not "real." If anyone is interested I can show you the two letters that were sent to me.

James

JJL
08-22-2006, 01:38 PM
Here is the response that I received today:

Hello dear James
This mistake was done one of our translators.She inserted this story from letter which was written by lady 3836. This translator translate all letters to both ladies.
She'll be severely punished.
Each lady in our agency is REAL. If you doubt you can order a phone conversation on our site and watch her through a live web cam and talk to her.
7. Telephone contact and live web-cams calls

Thank you
Yura
BILLING DEPARTMENT

Suckered
08-25-2006, 03:46 AM
Thanx James; This is the kind of information that we all need to share in order to take control of this beast called "Confidential Connections" Obviously the translator Katerina D. was acting under protocal when she "inserted" the same paragraph into both lady's letters. The letters were written at least a month apart. I would suppose that when Yura says "She will be severly punished" it means "severly punished for getting caught" What other reason would a hired translator have for inserting GENERIC paragraphs into two different lady's letters? This looks like one of the many smoking guns that may bring CC. down. Keep the email on file for future reference James, and I would love to see more guys like you collecting this type of info on CC. to share with the rest of us. Thanx again James!

Suckered
09-08-2006, 11:18 PM
If anyone is communicating to lady #5674 at "confidential connections" I would like to speak with you please.

Cal Stubbington

Suckered
09-08-2006, 11:28 PM
If anyone is communicating to any ladies from Kremenchug via "confidential connections" I would like to talk to you very much. It could be enlightening for us both!!!

Cal Stubbington

conlaw815
09-20-2006, 08:10 AM
I have been a member of CC for about 4 months and have spent quite a bit on emails. After a lot of research, I wanted to seek my love in the Ukraine. I am a pretty bright guy and savy to a lot of RU scam tactics. I cannot decide if CC is a scam or not! I got a lot of "generic" responses to my emails that did not address the information in my letters at all. When I inquired of CC, I was told they have "no control over what the ladies write." I do know the ladies sign an agreement which is supposed to be secret from the men. You are not supposed to get an address or phone number either. I have also been asked by a lady to "write her every day" this would cost a fortune. I wonder if the ladies do not get say $1 for every email they solicit from a man? When I got interested in a particular lady she seemed to ignore me when I said I wanted to come to visit.

Is there anybody out there who has actually taken one of CC's trips? Or know of further information on them? Are they for real?????

Thanks and Regards,
M

ham
09-20-2006, 05:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by conlaw815

I have been a member of CC for about 4 months and have spent quite a bit on emails. After a lot of research, I wanted to seek my love in the Ukraine. I am a pretty bright guy and savy to a lot of RU scam tactics. I cannot decide if CC is a scam or not! I got a lot of "generic" responses to my emails that did not address the information in my letters at all. When I inquired of CC, I was told they have "no control over what the ladies write." I do know the ladies sign an agreement which is supposed to be secret from the men. You are not supposed to get an address or phone number either. I have also been asked by a lady to "write her every day" this would cost a fortune. I wonder if the ladies do not get say $1 for every email they solicit from a man? When I got interested in a particular lady she seemed to ignore me when I said I wanted to come to visit.

Is there anybody out there who has actually taken one of CC's trips? Or know of further information on them? Are they for real?????

Thanks and Regards,
M



are they real?
yes and no.
When dealing with big junk dating agencies, fact is you N E V E R know until it's too late.
A few men say wonders about them; more than a few times it has been documented how correspondence can be forged ( "friendly translators" write to you instead ); women visited in person denied receiving a few or all of a man's letters; "messages of interest" are most often canned and automated (read small print), obviously for your own good; profiles of married, relocated or deceased women might still be on display ( see other post about how old profiles might be on average).
To avoid such trouble, skip through junk dating agencies and find some where you can have actual addresses, phone numbers etc.

friendly_aussie_man
09-26-2006, 08:14 AM
:)Ah Ham, you know me at another popular anti-scam forum on another handle.
I have some experience with C.C.
Jim at jims lists has moved Confidential Connections to his blacklist of agencies not to deal with..primary reason is that they do not allow the private exchange of e-mail addresses with the ladies and western men who correspond with them, there are some confirmed reports from ladies and ex-staff from that agency ( some confirmed, some heresay ) that this agency fabricates fake letters to lure men into paying to reply to them in a money making e-mail scam and reports of men going to visit ladies in Ukraine from this agency and they have not been willing to meet them after "so called long correspondence" or meetings have taken place, and after the so called long correspondence, the lady does not even know the man at all which indicates e-mail replies were concocted and faked without the ladies knowledge by this agency.
C.C is a trash agency..they run the fake pay for e-mail replies scam..most of the ladies are real but lot of letters "canned" or fake replies to lure men...some services of agency ok while others over priced.
I would not use them for correspondence with a lady or travel or accomodation services.
The owner also owns a strip club in Kharkov where he sends the men on there "off nights" from dating.
Avoid this type of agency people..your wasting your time and money.
No employee 'acts on there own' doing fake letters and translations..they are told to do it as part of there job!

norviking42
09-28-2006, 10:41 AM
Hello Guy's!
I have used CC , some years ago, and they do have changed tactics, i am often in Ukraine, and all agencies there now , has another tactic than they had some years ago, and also more and more girls and women now prefer to not be with any agencies becuse of that.
But i can help you with this becuse after my 8 times down there i have a big contact net and some very good friends there, we can help with all, girls that is outside of agencies (and this is seriouse girls that had enough of this agency crap), we also have flats in variouse size for about half and maybe cheaper that you can get elsewhere.
also help with meetings and translations , to a much lower price than the rest.
And guy's remeber agencies is money machines, that cherge enormouse amount for gifts also.
That we also can get much cheaper.

conlaw815
09-28-2006, 08:18 PM
So Norviking- or others-how do you recommend I proceed? Contact? I was thinking of just flying to Ukraine and rent an apartment for a couple of weeks or a month. Best city? Should I visit more than one?

norviking42
09-30-2006, 10:25 AM
Well , i prefer to keep me in east and south east ukraine, becuse it seems like there is not so destroyed by the tourists yet ,i have a appartment in kharkov, and a house that not is finished yet in lughansk.
I have my heart in east and south est , but maybe it is becuse i have all my contcts and friends thee, and the price level is also lower there that if you travel west ukraine.
I going down there now on the 11th October.
And have some people i shall mett that i haelped with adds and acommandations down there.
I usually is a way 1 or 2 months at the time, an di am there several times each year.

conlaw815
10-01-2006, 12:17 AM
Norviking- I would like more information from you. You can email me-conlaw815@hotmail.com

bckckr
10-09-2006, 05:33 PM
For what it's worth..I have been a member of CC for about a year. I was lured in by quite beautiful women some of which sent me amateur photos. The letters they would send would do well in a romance novel. I thought it odd that more often than not my questions which would have been easy to answer were never addressed. I then went on a site dealing with elenas....Why all of a sudden do beautiful/20-30 year old, attractive women find no interest? Makes you go, "hmmm." I stopped writing in CC for some time now, but still get letters from one of the girls there. I look at her and wonder why some rich tycoon hasn't snatched her up. Thanks to this forum, I no longer purchase emails. I'll stick with where I'm at. They seem a lot more genuine.

Detektive
10-09-2006, 05:45 PM
very well said buddy....
:D

conlaw815
10-09-2006, 07:21 PM
Well, here I go again, I have 10 emails left on CC, which cost me $6 each, I believe.I was going to ask for my money back from CC-but am still not sure if it is a scam or just me. I am talking to another lovely. Unlike the others, it seems like she and I are really talking to each other-the thing is-she is 19-and beautiful(if those are really her pictures)-I am 59 and broken down and ugly. Do these romances really happen or does it have to be a scam????? AM I JSUT DREAMING? I have gotten a lot of general suggestions from the forum-seems nobody has actually taken a CC trip or gone to meet a lady. ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE SPECIFIC INFO? If it is a rip off and ladies are paid to solicit men etc., this is fraud and an internet crime under US law-should they be reported??? I am a lawyer-Maybe we should file a class action civil suit-recover damages and shut this operation down-seems it is expanding to more poverty stricken countries all the time, like the plague- we need PROOF-however.

Thanks to all, M

Detektive
10-10-2006, 01:11 AM
I think you are dreaming...
BTW, what do u find good in a damn 19 year old girl... she won't even know how to talk!
I just don't understand.... anyways, all the best.

bckckr
10-10-2006, 01:31 AM
conlaw...no offense...I'm sure you have some good qualities, but buddy you might be dreaming. It is tempting and a self-esteem boost, but leave with some dignity. At the very least, try what I did and test your luck on a site where you can actually CALL them if you want to. I wish you all the best if you decide to go for it anyways.

seajay
10-10-2006, 04:43 AM
So she is 19 and beautiful. You are 59 and, by your estimation, broken down and ugly. You wonder if such romances really happen.

Had you been enterprising at 21 years of age, you would now have a 38 year old daughter, and possibly a 19 year old granddaughter. And you say this girl is beautiful.

You are a legal eagle, hired to use logic to demonstrate the plausibility of all sorts of situations. So deep down, you know the answer already. Sorry.

Her motivation is unlikely to be that she has found a man with whom she can share a mutual love and have a family. Somewhere, somehow, she expects personal pecuniary enrichment from your relationship. Maybe, you don't mind, so long as you can share some intimacy with her.

But perhaps you would be better served if you bolster your own self-esteem. Fix your face and form, and stop believing you are ugly.

conlaw815
10-10-2006, 07:27 AM
Welllll, the broken down and ugly remark was a bit of poetic license. I look about 45 and take care of myself-just seem to have issues with the way American women are aculturated. Not romantic enough, too manipulative, talk about others behind their backs,no sense of history and the sublime,don't follow orders-just kidding on that one! I believe in equality in interpersonal relationships.
I could go on about my motivations for looking outside the US. I love those accents and la difference! Also an opportunity for me to immerse myself in other cultures. I get tired of hearing the same old boring stuff from the same old money-driven designer brains! People motivated by all the wrong reasons. Like everyone, I suppose, I am looking for real connections in life.

Seemingly nobody reading the forum has direct evidence regarding CC. If so please let us hear from you.

Always, M

ham
10-14-2006, 06:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by conlaw815

Welllll, the broken down and ugly remark was a bit of poetic license. I look about 45 and take care of myself-just seem to have issues with the way American women are aculturated. Not romantic enough, too manipulative, talk about others behind their backs,no sense of history and the sublime,don't follow orders-just kidding on that one! I believe in equality in interpersonal relationships.
I could go on about my motivations for looking outside the US. I love those accents and la difference! Also an opportunity for me to immerse myself in other cultures. I get tired of hearing the same old boring stuff from the same old money-driven designer brains! People motivated by all the wrong reasons. Like everyone, I suppose, I am looking for real connections in life.

Seemingly nobody reading the forum has direct evidence regarding CC. If so please let us hear from you.

Always, M


It really doesn't matter wheter it's this or another agency...
The whole thing stinks...
Yes, you mightlook younger, be fit as a race horse and able to breakdance all night...
Ask yourself...
When was the last time you bed a pretty thing down, whom is young enough to be your (grand)daughter?
If the answer is "under Richard Nixon" and not "every Saturday night ", then please have a second tought.
Why would rules be [u]THAT</u>different?
Women are women...from another country, not another planet.

I know you can explain it all away and naysayers are gutless envious losers and they picked the "wrong" agency...
Right now i have a pop up on my browser in German, inviting me to join some German friendfinding site and 3000 new members a day and come have sex...with the picture of a pretty nude teenage model...
I have experience with many dating sites in the past; i'm a middle class unobtrusive guy with poor looks, no big money, no big job.
Well, i only could approach such pretty things at strip clubs & the like...

whatthehell
10-22-2006, 02:34 AM
Dear friends,

I have been to Ukraine and stayed there for a few months.I even met a lady from Confidentialconnections.

I can say that the lady was rude and was unlike anything we communicated and be careful that the translators add spice and honey to make you think she is in love with you.

The agency branch that I went to was a bit further west from Kiev and I was surprised by the way the staff treated me.They were cold and was not friendly at all.And they didn't even make me feel at ease by arranging the meeting of the lady in the presence of a few other girls.There was no privacy at all.

Russian,Ukranian women can be very cold and lack the proper social etiquette.True they may be beautiful but they can heartless at times.This is especially true for younger women.

But maybe it's just one's luck.

To my mind a lot of them want just sex and money.You give them lots of both,they will stay by your side.Forget the saying that"I don't care if you are rich or poor." Screw that,women are all the same.Especially now when the prices of public transport and even gas for winter are increased,the people are getting squeezed tighter.So if you have some spare cash,travel around.I can provide some advice and even places to visit.

Meet as many women as possible.It's not difficult to get some chicks and bang them,after all men are all the same.But be careful of HIV.About 1% of adult population have the disease.And the myth that women don't bathe regularly during winter is a little true.So do some hygiene check before doing the needful.

My comments are only from me,so not offence to anyone.If you want someaction before the "real" thing,please contact me I have some sources.

Actually I have lots of write so if you want,contact me.

dublindevil
10-23-2006, 08:37 AM
Hi Guys.
Having read through all the posts on this thread I am disappointed to note that there is no real evidence against C.C. ! I wish there were as I have been using them and have been suspicious of a few things but without evidence its very difficult to acuse them. !
I have had a long running battle with them about the release of email addresses and contact details, but their answer has always been "what good would it do even if you had their contact details, they cannot talk or write in English, so how would you correspond" ? The other argument they use is "if we give you the girls contact details you will almost certainly be scammed as we will not have any control over the girls, but by going through our agency you get guaranteed protection". It is very difficult to disagree with their arguments. ! How many men have corresponded with girls directly and got scammed. ? Many hundreds of thousands. ?
The other side of the argument is that C.C. should not find it too difficult to authenticate themselves, if they are genuine, as it would not be difficult to get one picture of each girl 'certified' by a 'reputable agency' that she does actually exist. Such an agency could be an 'anti-scam' agency, or an 'FSU detective agency', or they could even invite somebody (an owner, or admin)over from this site to authenticate their business. ? After all 'authentication' would bring with it a massive amount of business from the USA and the whole of Europe, etc.
It is quite easy to see how some bright spark in America, (yes, this agency is owned by an Amerecan company)is able to think up this scheme of an agency where men must go through that agency to contact women, and refuse to allow any contact details to be given out. Then obtain many pictures of beautiful women in FSU countries, and pay them a commission to use their pictures on his site, and employ girls to send out fake letters, etc. The scheme is almost flawless and by charging the amounts they charge for all their services, turns it into a cashcow. ! The legislation passed in America last year, known as the IMBR, virualy gave the likes of sites such as C.C. a blank cheque. !
They were after all already doing what that legislation demanded, i.e; NO release of any womans details to any man until that man has proven his existance and HIS authenticity to the site's administrators. !
This is a simplification of the legislation but will suffice for our arguments here.
So, C.C. will continue to flourish unless all the men using the site say 'enough is enough' and boycott it. C.C.'s inability to legitimise itself in the eyes of its male visitors and members is indefensible and will only continue to prove a major headache for them.
My advice is don't use their site unless they legitimise themselves completely beyond doubt and they are never going to do that !
There are many other excellent sites on the Web, so why not use those. ? I have carried out an extensive 2 years research into all bride sites and agencies, and have come up with a list of legitimate sites that I recommend everybody use. I presume I cannot post the URL's here as it could constitute advertising. ? I also presume I cannot post my own URL here, for the same reasons, but if anybody would like to PM me I will of course give them everything they need.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

dublindevil
10-23-2006, 09:13 AM
P.S.
As a postscript to my comments above I would ask this question of members. Is there anyone here who would go to a site on the web, and having suspicions about their authenticity or security would actually go ahead and pay them $100 or more. ? And pay them that money for a dubious product or service. ? I think everybody would answer NO to that question, so in that case why is 'anybody' paying money into the Coffers of C.C. ? I think its about time that we took off the Blinkers and stopped being 'goggle eyed' about a beautiful woman, and letting that beauty cloud our judgement to the point where we will throw money about like confetti. Lastly, as I said before C.C. is an American company, and I think a high % of the members of this forum are American, so why do you Guys not write/fax the C.C. offices in America. ? Deluge them with complaints. Get them worried. It would do far more good to do that than to 'complain' on this forum. That, as we have seen already, gets us nowhere. Sure it lets off steam but it does nothing to make C.C. become legitimate. ?

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

helskar
10-23-2006, 11:32 AM
[quote]Originally posted by dublindevil

P.S.

YOU ARE SO DAMN RIGHT DUBLINDEVIL: WHILST SCREWING US MISTER S.S IS PEACEFULY SEATING HOME...!!! DO STAND UP AMERICANS...!!! GO & FETCH HIM...!!! HE WHO PLAYS WITH OUR WORLD OF EMOTIONS...!!! HE WHO PLAYS WITH GULLIBLE INNOCENT & NEEDY GIRLS...!!! YOU ARE AN EMOTIONAL PIMP MISTER S.S AND A SHAME FOR US ALL...!!! YOU DESERVE NOTHING BUT GREAT FEAR & CONTEMPT...YOU ARE DANGEROUS AND ARROGANT...!!! YOU NEED TO BE "FRAMED"...

norviking42
10-23-2006, 01:31 PM
well people, i have talked with girls now that been with CC begfore, and they confirm, CC send letters firsdt introduction letters to people,and btw one friend of me from Norway also married a girl there , and i speaked with her , and said hey , i know you , you have written me too&gt;
Then she got surprised, and said i am sorry , but i never wrote you , and them she told ,how it is done , first one or 2 letters is written by the agency to get people to answer, afetr all is it only when you answer CC get any money .
And yes i also has got this confirmed by othert girls i spoked with her , that it is normal for agencies to do this now, becuse the peopel that use agencies is geting lower ,now people here use the same metods as me .
much better cheaper and more safe, no agency girls , that get paid only to meet you :)
But peopel still continue to use agencies and this **** will still be going on .
And conclaw or others also , send me a private e amil so shall i answe you as good as i can.
And btw i am in Kharkov now , and i do have it better now after i quit with this agency bull****s :).

visible11
11-11-2006, 06:58 PM
I think this site is all SCAM. I found a lady in AFA bought the email and found her email but she refused to correspond thu emails even when I offered to help her with internet access, she wanted all thru CC and she speaks english and spanish like me so I concluded that she is a translator there and she is a top 100 lady. Initially, I couldnt even get her cinema phone where she works least the email but I was clever enough to find and buy her email in AFA for $10 so I complained and I was refunded the email cost. This is an ATM for them at $7 per letter and not swapping personal info. I concluded that all sites like this are all scam like HotRussianBrides also. Sites with credit based programs are ripoof and SCAMS lieke BEHappy2day.com
Save your money for, then buy a ticket and go spend 2 weeks in Ukraine/Russia and you will find a nice honest and real wife
Also, I used to ask questions which were never answered in follow ups letter so these are translators answering letters.

dublindevil
11-12-2006, 11:07 AM
In a previous post I made the observation about lack of evidence against C.C. and since then nobody has posted anything further to make me change my mind. However I have not been idle and have been doing research of my own. The first thing is my doubts about the actual existance of the girl's on CC. I have written to several girls about this and subsequently received photos of the girls on their holidays overseas, and other photo's of the girls in their home city, on the streets and visiting parks and so on, so I doubt very much if CC would have access to these pictures if they were not genuine, and we have to conclude therefore that the girls do actually exist. However, having written that which slightly favours CC's credability, I have also discovered that they are massive spammers which therefore undermines that credability. I have conclusive proof of their spamming, which they seem to carry out using fake email addresses originating in the UK, and also in Belaruze, and my attitude to this is that if they are really genuine why would they resort to such underhand tactics. ? I cannot believe that any genuine company would take the risk of being found out and having their reputation damaged, and if they are that desperate for money that they have to resort to wholesale spamming, it does suggest that there is something wrong somewhere. ? After posting this I will return later and post all the links that I have to the proof of their spamming, but in the meantime maybe the 'administrator' of CC, who seems to have posted here previously, will post something again in answer to this credible accusation. [?]

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

helskar
11-12-2006, 02:43 PM
+ Nowhere it is "clearly stated" and upfront in "CC's Policy" that swapping personal info is not permitted...! Why...? By the way...!

It is amazing to see how long for the first girls stay in the "one hundred list"... They must be really picky...? or...? If I remember there is one Elena that has been here for more than 7 months... She must be stuffed and suffocating under toys, flowers, candies, chocolate...and affection...! Still there...? It must be a full time job...! Anyway I do fully realize what it takes in terms of time and care to write just one "consistant" and "meaningful" letter to a girl...! So... how can a normal girl be answering, lets say: several letters a day...?

I suggest paying local girls to join in as "would be innocent brides" and they will tell us everything from the inside...? [}:)] [}:)] [}:)]:) Some are already in that process, Mister Pimp...!

As suggested by "VISIBLE 11" The Wise; [u]these sites where swapping</u> [u]personal info is not permitted are to be avoided at any cost...!</u>
Unless willing to be a paying hostage of the "system"... I think it is cheaper to get there... How can a true relationship build up if constantly "monitored and doctored" by such emotional PIMPS...! How can one feel safe in the already challenging process of building a true and strong relationship in a distance with a girl who might be very charming but not understanding a single word of a "Common language"...? And what happens to your own very words on the other side of the mirror...?

dublindevil
11-12-2006, 05:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by helskar

+ Nowhere it is "clearly stated" and upfront in "CC's Policy" that swapping personal info is not permitted...! Why...? By the way...!

It is amazing to see how long for the first girls stay in the "one hundred list"... They must be really picky...? or...? If I remember there is one Elena that has been here for more than 7 months... She must be stuffed and suffocating under toys, flowers, candies, chocolate...and affection...! Still there...? It must be a full time job...! Anyway I do fully realize what it takes in terms of time and care to write just one "consistant" and "meaningful" letter to a girl...! So... how can a normal girl be answering, lets say: several letters a day...?

I suggest paying local girls to join in as "would be innocent brides" and they will tell us everything from the inside...? [}:)] [}:)] [}:)]:) Some are already in that process, Mister Pimp...!

As suggested by "VISIBLE 11" The Wise; [u]these sites where swapping</u> [u]personal info is not permitted are to be avoided at any cost...!</u>
Unless willing to be a paying hostage of the "system"... I think it is cheaper to get there... How can a true relationship build up if constantly "monitored and doctored" by such emotional PIMPS...! How can one feel safe in the already challenging process of building a true and strong relationship in a distance with a girl who might be very charming but not understanding a single word of a "Common language"...? And what happens to your own very words on the other side of the mirror...?


I could not really understand what your suggesting Helskar. ? "Recruit local girls to get information on the inside of CC" ? How. ?
Who is going to Ukraine to recruit local girls, and how are they going to persuade CC to accept that girl/girls. ? Would be very interested in your reply.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

helskar
11-12-2006, 06:20 PM
Hello dublindevil...!

Unfortunately for everybody that was a joke...[}:)] But do you really think that it would be so difficult for a "devoted" and "determined" Ukrainian girl to pause as; looking for a husband and join any local branch of their system, and so we could see it from the inside...! May be...? Do you really think it is necessary to ask them their permission to send them a mole or several...? If...! What kind of double[}:)] are you dublin[}:)]...? Too kind...!

[:o)] Kind regards
helskar

dublindevil
11-12-2006, 06:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by helskar

Hello dublindevil...!

Unfortunately for everybody that was a joke...[}:)] But do you really think that it would be so difficult for a "devoted" and "determined" Ukrainian girl to pause as; looking for a husband and join any local branch of their system, and so we could see it from the inside...! May be...? Do you really think it is necessary to ask them their permission to send them a mole or several...? If...! What kind of double[}:)] are you dublin[}:)]...? Too kind...!

[:o)] Kind regards
helskar

Sorry, again I don't understand ! A 'double' ? what does that mean ?
If ? Too kind ? Also I think if your joking you should give some indication that you are. ? I don't think this thread about CC is a joking matter anyway. I thought it was deadly serious. ?

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

ham
11-13-2006, 09:06 AM
quote:It is amazing to see how long for the first girls stay in the "one hundred list"... They must be really picky...? or...? If I remember there is one Elena that has been here for more than 7 months... She must be stuffed and suffocating under toys, flowers, candies, chocolate...and affection...! Still there...? It must be a full time job...! Anyway I do fully realize what it takes in terms of time and care to write just one "consistant" and "meaningful" letter to a girl...! So... how can a normal girl be answering, lets say: several letters a day...?

it is known that most agencies run "pageant" events; they hire professional photographers & make up artists, corrall many women solicited via newspaper ads. They take tons of pictures, videos etc, and often comb them to look like different people and it was reported women might be asked to register videos under different names.

I personally knew of a porn photographer who "lent" his "models" to a marriage agency to spice it up...he was paid for that.

With dollars you can buy DVDs full of pictures from amateur photographers.

In fact, the only real and no-nonsense UA dating agency i knew had only a few hundreds women...not tens of thousands...AND NONE WAS YOUR TYPICAL SUPERMODEL STUNNER...

visible11
11-13-2006, 09:29 AM
I met a lady in CC then I found her on AFA and bought her address for $12, but she told me she wanted contact thru CC and I told her I couldnt continue at $7 per mail so I offered to pay for her internet access and she refused so I concluded that she was a translator. She is a top 100 lady and she speaks english and spanish like me and never gave me her phone number thru her email that I bought thru AFA so, definitely CC is scam agency. I have concluded that all sites with credit based points like HotRussianBrides are SCAM because they dont allow exchange of personal info. Sites like BeHappy2Day are based on the same thing. Translators (even male ones) are the ones writing here. I have become disillusioned of online dating now.
Take care!..

visible11
11-13-2006, 09:44 AM
This is not directly related to CC, but I do online freelancing and I saw a project where a webmaster was asking a programmer to make up 500 fake members (400 women, 100 men) with pretty pics for his dating website which only the winning programmer knew, but the one who won was one with expertise and with a DVD full of pics. The programmer later said when asked that the info he invented it of made it up based on countries cause his strategy is join all those websites with pretty pics and copy pics of russian, ukrainian, chinesse, philipines, etc...so you get the feeling. Now, Im very wary of dating agencies, even the free ones.. :-)0

dadepfan
11-20-2006, 05:18 PM
Hi everyone

I've been on CC for a couple weeks now, and have been talking to a lovely girl who's name is Valentina. She has a daughter named Polina, and is much younger than me but not a teenager (I'm 59 and she is about 36 I believe).

I have been completely honest and sincere and she seems to be as well. We appear to be developing some affection for each other, or at least each other's words and photos. However, she seems to make faster and deeper moves towards a romantic relationship than I do. This could be because of the many reasons a woman in the Ukraine might want to meet an American man and come to America, or it could be because this is all a scam. I am suspicious by nature, but this whole thing is VERY tempting and hopeful.

Do we have a final verdict on this site? I see someone here talking about Elana. She may still be there because I have received a couple "Do you want to be the happiest man in the world?" messages from her. She has black hair in her main pic, but flaming red in several other pics. Is this the same Elana, and has anyone talked with Valentina before. The are both in the top 100.

Thanks,

David A Desautel

dublindevil
11-20-2006, 06:39 PM
Hi.
Any girl who gets romantic after a couple of weeks is a Fraud. ! girls from the FSU just do not do that. Its totally against their character, and their culture. ! As she is on CC then be doubly careful. My website revealing the truth about CC and my own experiences with them is almost ready and I will post the URL on here.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

IvyChris5222
11-26-2006, 11:57 AM
There definately needs to be some postings about the sister sites of the so called CC. Argentina, it is known as Fiancee Connections, and in Brazil, it is known as Bride Connections. Just how many disconnections sites are the scammers going to create?

dublindevil
11-26-2006, 01:55 PM
Yes they are all the same organisation. ! Ukraine, and other FSU countries, Argentina, Brazil, and all administered from the USA. !

We still need somebody to post on here who has actually visited Ukraine and CC. ! We really need somebody who has seen them from the inside. !
Lets hope somebody like that turns up and posts here.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

norviking42
11-26-2006, 06:56 PM
Well hello guys out there!
I have been in UKraine 9 times now during the last 5 years, and totally i been away over 1 years during this days
i have had much contact with CC, inside also, and i must say that this CC, getting stranger and stranger, i answered a mail from then this time when i was therein Kharkov, in fact i camed back from Ukraine 3 days ago.
All was very strange a typical scam attempt.
i also know many girls that i have talked with there that not is in in CC anymore , just becuse they not feel it is right that who going on there.
Most of the letters you get 1st and second is fabricated.
I will only share my info about this in personal letters , becuse i want no problems from them , but more and motre people now know that agencies is no good, and stay away from them and do it the way i did instead.
Yes i have a Ukraine girlfriend , and yes , i met her also true a agency, but the agency ****ed uop , and sendt her my e -mail so after that we not needed them anymore, but this was not CC.
But she also told me , after i showed her the con\versation , that the 3 first letters she never had seen or wrote, and she had not wrote me first either, lol.
Well questions is welcome , but only in private.
Take care out there, it is a jungle , with many tracks, and traps.

loxosceles.reclusa
11-27-2006, 09:31 AM
A FSU dating agency (Confidential Connections in this case) sends out mails without a lady's permission. In other news: Bears thought to defecate in forested areas; Benedict XVI rumoured to be Catholic.

They all do it. Try adding a lady to your favourites - sometimes you will get a mail from her soon after (but not always - that's too obvious). Does the agency rush to inform the lady that you have added her to your favourites, so she should write to you straight away? Or does the database system randomly select add-to-favourites transactions as triggers for sending generic mails in the hope of triggering a (paid for) response and possibly ongoing correspondence? Deducing the answer is left as an exercise for the reader.

Online dating tip: If you assume that any mail that is not a response to one that you previously sent is a forgery - you won't often be wrong.

Glimmertwin34
12-14-2006, 04:39 PM
This is about Confidential Connections.

I have been in contact with several of the ladies there and it appears that many of their letters are canned responses. Some of them will start off with the begining (first paragraph) being some what personal to me, but then the rest of the letter will go into some story about something wonderful or dreamy.

I have also told them many times that I do not have a "weekend" because I am in the Army and in Iraq...yet, they still always ask what I will be doing "this weekend." That seems pretty unrealistic to me.

Has anyone been in contact with the following ladies:
#3229-Elena M
#4016-Daria P
#4232-Elena R
#3964-Svetlana S
#4287-Valyusha B.
#1586-Elena G (she is constantly #1 in the top 100)
#3859-Marina B

Also, has anyone ever gone there and actually seen what their operation consists of? I was thinking about going, but really do not want to waste my time if that is what it is.

If anyone has any information for me, please email me or post so that we can exchange information.

Thanks
glimmertwin

dublindevil
12-14-2006, 04:59 PM
Yes, I remember those ID numbers. I would have been in contact with almost all of them over the past year.
Anyway, I had a web site called "confidentialconnections.net" in which I exposed everything about them, but this site removed my post. ! I wrote several emails to them to ask why they deleted the post but they refuse to answer. ! I checked on their details on the "whois" but they have a private registration so nothing is available. ! No doubt they will remove this too ! If anyone wants to contact me before it gets deleted my email is: russianbridehelp@iol.ie :D

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

Silver
01-03-2007, 06:26 AM
hello forum:

happy new year...

I found this site by accident and after reading all your post I do not know what to think and I will tell you why?

I have been using confidentialconnections for about one year

I am 38, corresponding with a beautiful 26 blonde girl from zhitomir.

I am ready to make the trip with confidentialconnections for march and spend over there all the time I could need to find out if this girl is my mate but after reading all your post I make my self a couple of questions that I never thought before and I do not why? I feel so stupid because of this.

1.- is she the person who said to me she is?

2.- is she really interested in get marriage with a foreign guy and relocate to another country.?

how to know it.?

I always thought all girls I was in contact with in the past they were real because CC told me "Real ladies for real men" it is what they say in their home page.

I know very well in my own experience that everything in this life has a cost so, I do not care if it expensive to fly to the other side of the world or weather confidentialconnections is expensive or not.

what I really want to know is,
what of all this is real and what is not.?

it would be worthy to make a long trip to meet a woman of whom I do not have proofs that she is the person who said to me she is.

maybe she works in the night club of the owner of confidentialconnections and in that case it would be better to look for a beautiful Ukrainian or Russian lover in a stripper bar in my city.

I will appreciate any comment.

Thanks, Silver.

wxman2001
01-03-2007, 06:46 AM
Silver, I would be very wary of CC. Just go to this forum http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/ and you will find a lot of horror stories about CC. That forum is filled with a lot of knowledgeable people who have gone through the process of finding a wife. I don't want to burst your bubble, but there have been cases where the women did not even know they were writing those letters, with that agency doing it behind their backs.

Silver
01-03-2007, 08:53 AM
hello, wxman2001

thanks a lot for the link, but I know she is real,
she looks by cam even better than in her pictures

but you know,
I am looking for a well balanced woman who become the mother of my children not just for a beautiful lover to get my bed warm, so...

what if she is not a designer.?

what if she is not the person who said to me she is.?

I do not care if I have to pay and over price for a confidentialconnections trip or from another company or service to get some proofs, but,

how to get them?... that is the point.

everything is very subjective I just know what she has told me about her and...

I stop believing in Santa Claus long ago, this is very serious because I am looking for a life partner,so, again...

how to know what is real, what is not from all this.?

how to get some proofs about what I am getting in to before my trip.?

any idea will be very welcome, Thanks

wxman2001
01-03-2007, 10:02 AM
There are many problems with doing what you are doing. Write one visit one (WOVO). The odds are that you will fail. First, you should be meeting several women, not one. Thowing all your money in one basket is not a good way to have success, especially since you have never met her. For all you know, she could be working for the agency, and when it comes time to meet her, she may not have much interest in you, or she may suddenly be ill, etc, and you are left paying for your flat through the agency, with no women to meet, expect by shelling out more money to have a few introductions. If you choose to use an agency, then stick with the more legit agencies. I sense you will come out of this trip very very dissapointed.

dublindevil
01-03-2007, 11:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

hello, wxman2001

thanks a lot for the link, but I know she is real,
she looks by cam even better than in her pictures

but you know,
I am looking for a well balanced woman who become the mother of my children not just for a beautiful lover to get my bed warm, so...

what if she is not a designer.?

what if she is not the person who said to me she is.?

I do not care if I have to pay and over price for a confidentialconnections trip or from another company or service to get some proofs, but,

how to get them?... that is the point.

everything is very subjective I just know what she has told me about her and...

I stop believing in Santa Claus long ago, this is very serious because I am looking for a life partner,so, again...

how to know what is real, what is not from all this.?

how to get some proofs about what I am getting in to before my trip.?

any idea will be very welcome, Thanks



Mr Silver, have a look at confidentialconnections.net !
Do that before you decide anything. Also, did you have a look at Russianwomendiscussion.com ? I know how difficult it is for you, its one of the most difficult things in life, to find a great young girl and get excited about her only to find that you have to reconsider her authenticity. ! If you send me her ID number on CC I will have a look and see if she is one of those that I have corresponded with. Might help you. ?

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

Glimmertwin34
01-03-2007, 12:09 PM
Mr. Silver,

Please post the ladies ID to who you were writing to. We are actively trying to prove that CC is not honest. I am traveling there and in a month and will definitely post the results of what I find when I get there.

We do not want to dampen your spirits about this possible woman, but we do not want you to lose money for soemthing that does not exist. Many guys on here have honest intentions and everyone here is trying to communicate with each other to find out if these ladies really do exist.

I am willing to travel there to find out and let every one know what really happens. Dublin Devil has been a GREAT help and he wants to know just as much...if not more...then everyone else.

Please post the ladies ID so anyone else can let you know what they know about her. It is for your own protection.

Thanks,
jim

Prometheus
01-03-2007, 06:32 PM
I had a very frustrating experience with Confidential Connections. I corresponded for several years with a woman from the Zhitomir office named Lyudmilla #4001. Despite several requests to meet with her, or pay to have her meet with me, she always demurred. I would quit writing to her and a few months later, she would write how she missed me and wished to resume correspondence. I have no doubt that there is a real person associated with her profile, but I had deep suspicions that her letters were written by someone else. Her replys would be completely off topic, and over time, I found that she was telling the same stories to me that she had already relayed to someone else. She even called me by the wrong name. I finally came to realize that I had invested several hundred dollars and a lot of time in a pipe dream. I did a check in the galleries of ladies, and discovered that she was the oldest profile for the entire Zhitomir office. This would seem to confirm that there are certain profiles up on the site solely for the money that correspondence to these women generate.[:I]

Silver
01-03-2007, 06:38 PM
Hello guys...

thanks a lot for all your comments, I really appreciate them.

Dublindevil, I took a look at Russianwomendiscussion.com and confidentialconnections.net by the way all the links at cc.net do not work...

Glimmertwin34, I do not know how posting the ladies ID could be helpful, so, I wait for your comments.

Elena G. # 1586
Irina K. #3757
Elena M. #3229
Yana K. #3903
Valyusha B. #4287 (this is the girl that I have plans for visiting her in march)

wxman 2001, I know in my own experience that the service of www.confidentialconnections.com is really bad in some aspects and I have a lot of stories about their services but that is not the point.

the point is...
that I am not interested in meeting several women, I know several women in the place where I live but not any women can become my wife it does not matter how beautiful she could be.

for example I exchanged letters for several months and chat by ICQ with Elena Gracheva # 1586 and I know for sure that she is far way from that special woman I am looking for.

I subscribed to CC because of the advertising (((the lady members at confidentialconnections are carefully selected on average 70-75% of the ladies applying for a membership are granted this privilege))) they suppose to interview each one of the ladies at their site.

and know, after reading all your post I do not know what to think...
which one is a legit agency.?
how could I know that.?

I suppose that I have to wait until Glimmertwin34 come back from Ukraine and share with us his experience.

by the way Glimmertwin34 I have an idea...
if you go to Ukraine and find the girl of your dreams you can invite me to your wedding and for sure I can meet some real women there...LOL

have a nice guys I wait for you comments...

Thanks.

Glimmertwin34
01-03-2007, 07:06 PM
Silver,

Many of those women are very familiar. I can tell you the ones that I have written to or have received emails from:

Elena G. # 1586
Elena M. #3229
Valyusha B. #4287

This is the last one I got from Elena M. #3229
This letter was translated by E. Reshetnyak for Elena M.
Hello, my dear Jim! I do not know if you have this holiday in your country but here St. Nicolas day is like a prelude to New year and then Christmas:)) maybe this year I was a good girl because I got a nice present from this saint:) And even though it was just a small box of candies, which I pout there by myself, it is still nice. I know that it sounds a bit strange that I make presents for myself:)) But still if we will not cherish ourselves it will take a long time to wait:)) Ok, I hope that you also will have a chance to cherish yourself with something this day and I also hope that my letter brought at least one smile to your face:) Please take good care of yourself, Lena

The Elena G is always at the top of the list and I am pretty sure that she does not write everyone individually. I don't think I would if I got as much mail as she probably does. She did send me pictures of her before...not the type that were taken by a professional, but home type photos.

Did anyone else get a letter from Elena M #3229 like the one above?

Why did you say that Elena G is not the woman for you?

I would post more letters from the others but the CC site is not working right now.

We should all start posting their letters and see how many of them are the same. I have also gotten letters from Lydumilla S #4001 and have written her a couple of times. I have never tried to meet her, but I am going to ask her now about meeting in February and see what she (or they) say.

Once the CC site is back up, I will post more letters...check back when you can.

Jim:D

Prometheus
01-03-2007, 07:06 PM
Found this on another board. Now I feel lucky I just walked away. A little poorer, but a lot wiser:

Been lurking the board for several months and soaking info, and wanted to contribute a little from my trip last week.

I have been to CC office in Poltava about 9 months ago. I had beeen corresponding with three ladies there and decided to make the leap and meet them, one in particular of course:) all 3 confirmed to meet me but when I get there only 2 have the time, and the one that I actually had the most interest and corresponded with the most only had time for a quick dinner. Now I know life can get busy but after all our emails and planning what to do that week i find it interesting that a person whole week would become booked.

Any way we met for dinner. I recognized her right away, and tried to give her a hug. I have been in Artic winds much warmer and receptive than she was. I think, ok watch yourswlf this is a culture thing. well to make this short, our meeting was a first meeting. She did not know anything about me. She asked where I lived, if I had children, and all the ohter questions that a person should know about someone they had been emailing hot and and heavy for 4 or so months.

So, the date sucked totally and the CC guy said that she was just nervous and under the weather, and I am like yeah right. So per someones advice here I had searched through some scammer sites and searched this womans name. Turns out she was on another agency in town. The next morning I went there and met with the manger there, andd told them I would like to meet this same lady. They made a phone call and wouldnt you know she was free for lunch. She was quite surprised to see me, but she did seem happy to see me. I got right to the point, and asked the reason for the artic blast the night before, and she did not understand. I explained to her the progression of our emails for the last months, and she got quite serious and quiet. She wouldnt answer but agreed to meet that evening.

We had a nice dinner and after the second glass of wine, shemade me promise not to say anything to anyone. Turns out she is under contract with CC, as are all the women and if they meet anyone outside CC or discuss CC they will be kicked from the site and face legal action. What action I could not get out of her. She went on to say that she had no idea who I was, and had never received a email from me, or sent me one. So to say the least I am pissed at myself for getting sucked in by cc.

It also turns out that one of the other gals was also listed on this second agency. The manager called her, and since she spoke enlish i was able to quickly verify that she had a date with me that evening, but was nervous because we had noth corresponded. ok, double pissed now:)

fast forward to last week. So this is my third trip now and I havwe met a wonderful woman there. We are spending the entire week together and having a blast. Ok, maybe I need to do trip report:) Anyway I get a call from the agency asking if i would be willing to speak to this guy. I said sure. turns out he went the same roughly the same road as I did. I do not know all his details, but he was there to meet a woman he had been corresponding with for a year. It was his first time to the Ukaine, and boy was he stressed. Turns out his dream girl was happily married for a couple years now and had a child. She knew nothing of him and was surprised about the situation. He had no backup plan and didnt know what to do. I told him he found a good place and to go through the ladies there, meet a few and go home and write to them and get to know them. This guy did not take my advice, and was on the plane home the next day. I understand how he felt. He had fallen for a real woman, but was led down a false email road. He effectively had feelings and emotions for nothing. That is tough.

So, I am a forgiving person, and give the benefit of the doubt, but in this case I must be firm in my opinion:

Confidential Connections is a very good scam, no doubt in my mind. I have no doubt that all the ladies on thier site are real, but they do not receive your letters. They manufacture a very good story to you. So the only thing they may be good for is if you just go there and meet the ladies without emailing them, but then you must not use the site to communicate in the future. You will just waste money. By the way, it will cost you $50 to meet a woman from CC plus translation cost.

Oh, and while I am at it this is not a plug for the other agency, I will do that in another message, but guys always have a BACKUP PLAN. Both happiness and dissapointment lurk right around the corner.

dublindevil
01-03-2007, 07:26 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Silver
""Dublindevil, I took a look at Russianwomendiscussion.com and confidentialconnections.net by the way all the links at cc.net do not work..""
Thanks Silver. I know they don't work. sorry. I had some hosting problems, real bad ones, so I am busy signing up elsewhere and hope the sites will be back up soon. Thanks for the info anyway. :)
I will post back here when they are up, so as all the guys can have a look.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

dublindevil
01-03-2007, 07:28 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Prometheus

Found this on another board. Now I feel lucky I just walked away. A little poorer, but a lot wiser:""
Great stuff. ! Thats the kind of personal experiences that we need on these sites. ! Congrats Prometheus, and sorry you got 'bummed'.



The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

Prometheus
01-03-2007, 09:35 PM
Jim,

Well it makes me feel better to hear that someone else is writing Lyudmila S #4001 as well. I am not the only fool. I did pay for the new photos of her on the site, so hope you enjoy them. ;)

She told me that a relationship had gone poorly for her, and that for a period of time she did not correspond with anyone. Then over time she led me to believe that I was the only one she wrote to.

But I had my suspicions. Have you noticed that about half the time a letter to her is replied to within the hour? As if someone in the office is cutting and pasting an answer, as fast as they can charge another letter credit?

Has she told you about the foolish friend who fell in love instantly with an unsuitable man? I got that letter twice.

Stories about her brother's death and the grief that her parents feel?

Stories about Nastya (Anastasia)?

Every year I got the same letter explaining what International Women's Day was, that New Year's is celebrated like Christmas.

She was also fond of talking about meeting friends outdoors for a meal or drink. I kept wondering where her daughter was with all these social forays!

Now here's one that is good for a laugh... the Russian girl on the agency's homepage with pigtails who is painting? She's a porn star from a Russian website called "Best F*****d Teens." So that should be a red flag about who you are dealing with. I'm all for using stock photos, but a porn star?

Silver
01-03-2007, 10:03 PM
Prometheus

what a story...I am in shock

helskar
01-03-2007, 10:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

Prometheus

what a story...I am in shock


Hello Silver I mailed you interesting informations about to help you clear your relationship with "Cinderela", it happens that I browse a lot...and fortunately not only on that Mad & Screwdup CC... I am expecting you to contact me:):):)[}:)]
kind regards,

Helskar

Silver
01-04-2007, 12:27 AM
[/quote]

Hello Silver I mailed you interesting informations about to help you clear your relationship with "Cinderela", it happens that I browse a lot...and fortunately not only on that Mad & Screwdup CC... I am expecting you to contact me:):):)[}:)]
kind regards,

Helskar
[/quote]

Hello helskar...

I have not received any information yet but I would like to see it...

Thanks.

Glimmertwin34
01-04-2007, 01:43 AM
Mr. Silver,

I got this from Valyusha B. on 23 December:

Hello, Jim!

Thank you a lot for your letter! I didn?t expect to get your letter frankly speaking. I wrote you my letter a few months ago and when I didn?t get any reply from you I thought that you were not interested in me. But I?m glad to get your letter at long last. ;) I?m happy that you are interested in me because I?m still looking for my second half. I can only imagine your happiness that you are going to go home soon! I guess it is a wonderful feeling to be at home in the long run! ;) I liked what you wrote about yourself, I like your appearance as well, so I think that it is a good beginning of our correspondence. ;) And I hope we will develop it every day more and more. ;) And now I will tell you a few words about myself. First of all I want to strike that I am a very creative person. I have Bachelors degree in Pedagogy and that should tell you how much I know about psychology and philosophy. I understand that there are people who just don?t have that eagerness to study, but I think that a human being differs from monkey only because it has mind! My opinion is that we should develop all the time, each second we can learn something new, experience unique emotions, be involved in different activities, and discuss interesting issues?. Some people don?t ever read books and say that they don?t need it, but isn?t it interesting to find out something new? Even if it is an author?s imagination? By reading his book we can learn his mind!!!!! I really want to know what you think about it. :-) I realize that speaking in person would be a lot better way to understand each other, but I don?t know English, well I?ve studied it at school and I certainly know a bit more that how to say Good Morning, but I would like to speak it fluently and understand it. I am eager to study; I think that I just didn?t have appropriate conditions and opportunity to do it before. Even though my specialization is very interesting, unfortunately teachers of any kind and degree get an average salary, and sometimes even less than that. Believe me, it was a really serious reason to start another profession, so now I am a footwear designer :-))) It brings a lot more and I am happy that I can do work which combines beauty, fashion and creativity :-)!!! Speaking about the beauty? I am very strict to myself about it. You may only guess how much time I spend for myself, because I think that beauty should be in everything! It is so important to me. I like the order in my things for example, because it gives a look of strict geometrical symmetry to everything. But if we take the shoe with a short round shaped front and put a big, well very big artificial flower on it, you might say it is a mess. But on the other hand it gives it a unique look and truly speaking they became extremely popular!!! I am ending this letter and I really hope that we will go on in our communication. I just want to add that I am an individual, and I like when a man talks to me not only because of my beauty, but because I am unique :-) I hope you are unique too!!! (Just the one I was looking for :-)))) I am happy that I?ve got this free time today to write you an answer, hope to hear from you very soon too :-)

Best wishes,

Valyusha

Have you ever gotten anything that looks like that?

Jim

Glimmertwin34
01-04-2007, 01:55 AM
More Letters:

From Lyudmilla S. #4001
30 December 2006
Hi, darling!

I hope you have nothing against of me calling you in such a way. I want this happy day of the New Year to be merry and shiny for you and that is why I hope my greetings will raise your spirits up. So, I wish you happy New Year and may this holiday bring you joy, luck, happiness and prosperity. Let this coming year be better than all the others. Vow to do some of the things you've always wanted to do but couldn't find the time. Call up a forgotten friend. Drop an old grudge, and replace it with some pleasant memories. Vow not to make a promise you don't think you can keep. Walk tall, and smile more. You'll look ten years younger. Don't be afraid to say, 'I love you'. Say it again. They are the sweetest words in the world. ;)

And I would like to say here with words of Henry Longfellow (I've read is quote in the magazine and liked it;) : "Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely improve the present. Go forth to meet the shadowy future, without fear, and with a manly heart."

So, I wish you all the best and may all your wishes come true! ;)

Warmly, Lyuda



13 December 2006

Hi, dear Jim!

Thank you for your letter. I have been waiting for your respond. It's true. I see now the reason of your delay. YOu have a very responsible and ratehr dangerous job! Are you going to stop serving in the military at all after coming back home?

I think you are not against of me telling you a bit about myself. Well, I would like to find a trustworthy and gentle, honest, decent man. And I am sure you have these qualities. ;) I would like to have serious relationships and I would like my husband to be a best friend for me. I want to share everything with him; I want him to be my soul mate. I think that marriage is close togetherness, being as one. I want to mean world for my husband I will give him all my love and care in return. I am a very faithful lady and my husband will be my true friend to the end. I will never lie to him or deceit him. I hope you have the same values and I believe you share my point of view. My daughter is 4 years old and she is so cute! She is 5 this Friday. ?? She looks like a small princess! Her name is Nastya. I see that you have such an angel as well. ;) I can imagine how much she misses you when you are so far from her. I am so busy at my work at the moment, that I don??t have much free time, but when I have some I try to spend it with my daughter. When the weather is nice we like taking walks to the park or to the forest together. And on weekends we like going to picnics. My goal is to have a nice and friendly family. I will treat my husband like a king and I would like to be treated like a queen also ;))) Well, I would also like to have a successful carrier, though I place the family on the first place. Do you think I am right? I am very emotional, very enthusiastic and optimistic. I enjoy my life as it is and I am thankful to my parents that they gave me birth and this wonderful chance to appear on Earth.

I never give up and if I am in a good mood it is very difficult for somebody to spoil it. What goals do you have for your future? Are you afraid of obstacles, or may be on the contrary they encourage you? I am just curious. As for me, I have great plans! I would like to have a nice and caring family, to have a good carrier and just to have a happy life. And I am never afraid of obstacles; they encourage me to work hard. I will be waiting for your letter with impatience, JIm!!!

Best wishes, Lyuda

11 September 2006

Hello!

I am Miss ?Mystery?, Miss ?Charm?, Miss ?Sexy?, Miss ?Spontaneous?. I can be proud and inaccessible, and I can be affectionate and tender like a little kitten. I can be sad or cheerful; I can be serious or funny. I can be business-like and emancipated. I am hard working, but sometimes I am a lazy-bone, who just wants to lie down on a couch listening to the nice music or relax in the caressing rays of sun. I can enjoy noise and silence. Sometimes I am fretful, sometimes I am very amenable. So it is hard to become bored with me.

I love flowers, historical novel, romantic stories and movies, music, dances and sport. I like to cook something delicious using the recipes from magazines. I would love to visit different countries and learn several foreign languages.

I have a pure and open soul. I am delicate, sensible and romantic. I am the pearl which needs a decent mounting. I don?t have half-tints in love. If I love someone, my love is intense and unusual. My partner will be the only one for me.

I am not looking for an ideal man. I like the MAN, who will make me happy. And I will give him all my care, understanding, faithfulness and loyalty, affection and tenderness in return. I will bring joy, warmth and coziness to his house. By my side he will feel himself the most desired man in the whole world. I think that family is the most important thing for every person.

That?s the way I am!

If you are interested in communicating with such a woman as I am, just write me.

Lyuda.



From Elena G #1586

25 June 1986

Hello my dear Jim!

Thank you for your letter.

At last I?ve come to the Agency. I missed our communication very much and it seems to me we haven?t been talking for a thousand years? Though to tell the truth I wouldn?t be able to stand so much without communicating with you, my dear?

My dear, I`m ok and I`m back to my normal life.

The summer has started and several people from my job took vacation at the same time, though the boss strictly ordered to take a vacation in turn so the work process would not slow down. So after three people took a vacation it?s so crazy at work now. For the whole last week I went to work to 8 o?clock and came home late in the evening at 20 or 21, I didn?t even have time to go to the dinner break, I took lunch with me from home. So because of all that I had not forces to come to the Agency and write to you. But I thought about you all the time and I missed you very much?

So the desired Sunday has come and I have a day off. And right in the morning I came to the Agency to write to you?

It?s such a heat for the several days here, about 30 degrees in the afternoon but as I?ve spent the whole day in the office I didn?t mention that. One of the girls who took a vacation called us and told how wonderfully she spends time at the seaside. She and her boyfriend went to Turkey and they have a marvelous weather there now. And you know, I also wished to appear somewhere at the sunny beach near the warm sea. But to tell the truth I don?t know if I?ll take a vacation this year. As I work in private company, our vacations are not paid and I can take a vacation for only one week or ten days. Of course many people don?t like that but they realize that if they insist on their rights they can easily loose job. I know that such nonsense takes place only in our country but in civilized world there are special trade unions that look after the rights of working people. Am I right? My dear, what about your vacation? How do you usually spend it?

Jim, my dear, I won?t write about sad things and problems any more. Let?s better talk about something good? You know, I really missed you all these days and I?m very sorry that according to the rules of the Agency we can?t exchange the contact information? Sometimes I wish just to hear your voice? I realize that probably I won?t understand anything from your words but all the same I will be very pleased to hear you.

My dear, I?ve just seen on my way to the Agency the strawberry for sale at the market. And I wished to buy those wonderful berries so much. You know, it?s my favorite berry and I can eat very much of it? So on my way back I will certainly go to the market and buy some fruit because at such a heat I don?t want to eat anything but fruit, it?s very useful.

Jim, it?s Sunday today and i wonder what you are going to do today? Do you have days off in army?

Concerning me, after such a crazy work week, I just want to stay at home and to clean the house.

My dear, I wish you a nice day! And please take care..You are so dear to me..

Sending you my kisses? Looking forward to your reply!

Lenochka

13 April 2006

Hello, my dear Jim!


If you?ve received my letter, it means my mom could finally reach the agency and bring my letter to you.

My darling, if you could only know how I missed you and your letters...

This time was like torture for me, I?ve spent so many days alone without any opportunity to send you at least a short message.

My dear Jim, I don?t know if agency?s staff has informed you about my urgent operation on appendicitis. I had a very difficult case. And I?ve spent more than 10 days at the hospital and now I am already at home, but I?m too weak to go to the agency myself, so my mom or my brother will try to bring your letters to me.

My darling, I?ll not write a lot in this letter, because my mom is almost dressed and is going to the agency and I want so much you to receive this letter as soon as possible. As I know, you probably worry very much, because you have had no news from me.

Jim, you know, all these were very difficult trail for me, because this is my first operation and I have never been to the hospital before.I don?t want to write you straight away about all that fears I?ve suffered. Today I?ll write you longer letter and tell you more about all this.

Darling, please write me you are with me and you still value our relationships. You know, your letter is my most desire present. If you could only know how I miss you?.

Yours,
Lenochka

29 March 2006

Dear Jim,

We couldn't contact Elena on the phone and called her parents, so the fact is that Elena is in hospital now after operation.

As soon as she is able she'll write to you.

Sincerely,
CC staff

Anyone ever get something like this from these two?

Jim

Prometheus
01-04-2007, 02:11 AM
Well, I feel like a total ass wipe, since last New Years Eve Lyuda was telling me to "write a wish, set it aflame, and put it in your champagne flute at midnight." Of course I wished that we would be together in 2006 and told her so. So don't stop saying "I love you," Jim. I'm sure she means every word she says.[xx(]

The therapeutic benefit of all this is that I will have absolutely NO regrets or second guesses concerning my decision. She (whoever she is) wrote angrily when I suspected her correspondence was not legitimate. So she told me on Nov. 25 that she was "heartbroken" because she "felt that I had found my future husband." Two weeks later she is waiting for your letter "with a little impatience."[8]

This is not a real person, or is a real person of the worst kind.:(

dublindevil
01-04-2007, 11:55 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

More Letters:

Great Stuff. !! In my opinion and based on 'fraudulent' letters I have received and genuine letters from a great friend in Ukraine, who is not with any agency, those letters are pure fraud !!
NO genuine girl from the FSU is going to write such rubbish. ! Genuine girls are fairly reserved and take a long time to even get into a situation where they will write such stuff.
Congrats for posting here. All Guys should read them and be forearmed.
Were any of them like letters I have received ? Yes. Large parts of them, if not the whole letter, were exactly the same as I have received. !

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

careerandjobcoach
01-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Seems like all these scammer people use the same lines. It has to be next to impossible to figure out who is genuine and who is not. My Russian "sweetiepie" can really lay it on too as you can see by reading some of her emails to me that I have posted in here.I am just playing the game until she finally hits me for money then I will drop away from her like a hot rock.They can sure lay down some sweet lines though and I kind of like reading them and flattering myself. LOL [:p]

Lestaadt
01-05-2007, 08:54 PM
I too have recieved many letters from Elena 1586, and also Valyusha 4287. Her writer wants me to come and visit her.
quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

This is about Confidential Connections.

I have been in contact with several of the ladies there and it appears that many of their letters are canned responses. Some of them will start off with the begining (first paragraph) being some what personal to me, but then the rest of the letter will go into some story about something wonderful or dreamy.

I have also told them many times that I do not have a "weekend" because I am in the Army and in Iraq...yet, they still always ask what I will be doing "this weekend." That seems pretty unrealistic to me.

Has anyone been in contact with the following ladies:
#3229-Elena M
#4016-Daria P
#4232-Elena R
#3964-Svetlana S
#4287-Valyusha B.
#1586-Elena G (she is constantly #1 in the top 100)
#3859-Marina B

Also, has anyone ever gone there and actually seen what their operation consists of? I was thinking about going, but really do not want to waste my time if that is what it is.

If anyone has any information for me, please email me or post so that we can exchange information.

Thanks
glimmertwin

Lestaadt
01-05-2007, 09:04 PM
Mr. Silver, and Jim, I got the same letter just a day or two before Christmas. I indicated to Val that I would be visiting in March also. I got a really different tone of letter after that information, lol! She is a cutie, but I doubt if she knows who is writing on her behalf.

Robert
quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Mr. Silver,

I got this from Valyusha B. on 23 December:

Hello, Jim!

Thank you a lot for your letter! I didn?t expect to get your letter frankly speaking. I wrote you my letter a few months ago and when I didn?t get any reply from you I thought that you were not interested in me. But I?m glad to get your letter at long last. ;) I?m happy that you are interested in me because I?m still looking for my second half. I can only imagine your happiness that you are going to go home soon! I guess it is a wonderful feeling to be at home in the long run! ;) I liked what you wrote about yourself, I like your appearance as well, so I think that it is a good beginning of our correspondence. ;) And I hope we will develop it every day more and more. ;) And now I will tell you a few words about myself. First of all I want to strike that I am a very creative person. I have Bachelors degree in Pedagogy and that should tell you how much I know about psychology and philosophy. I understand that there are people who just don?t have that eagerness to study, but I think that a human being differs from monkey only because it has mind! My opinion is that we should develop all the time, each second we can learn something new, experience unique emotions, be involved in different activities, and discuss interesting issues?. Some people don?t ever read books and say that they don?t need it, but isn?t it interesting to find out something new? Even if it is an author?s imagination? By reading his book we can learn his mind!!!!! I really want to know what you think about it. :-) I realize that speaking in person would be a lot better way to understand each other, but I don?t know English, well I?ve studied it at school and I certainly know a bit more that how to say Good Morning, but I would like to speak it fluently and understand it. I am eager to study; I think that I just didn?t have appropriate conditions and opportunity to do it before. Even though my specialization is very interesting, unfortunately teachers of any kind and degree get an average salary, and sometimes even less than that. Believe me, it was a really serious reason to start another profession, so now I am a footwear designer :-))) It brings a lot more and I am happy that I can do work which combines beauty, fashion and creativity :-)!!! Speaking about the beauty? I am very strict to myself about it. You may only guess how much time I spend for myself, because I think that beauty should be in everything! It is so important to me. I like the order in my things for example, because it gives a look of strict geometrical symmetry to everything. But if we take the shoe with a short round shaped front and put a big, well very big artificial flower on it, you might say it is a mess. But on the other hand it gives it a unique look and truly speaking they became extremely popular!!! I am ending this letter and I really hope that we will go on in our communication. I just want to add that I am an individual, and I like when a man talks to me not only because of my beauty, but because I am unique :-) I hope you are unique too!!! (Just the one I was looking for :-)))) I am happy that I?ve got this free time today to write you an answer, hope to hear from you very soon too :-)

Best wishes,

Valyusha

Have you ever gotten anything that looks like that?

Jim

Glimmertwin34
01-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

helskar
01-05-2007, 10:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

How funny you are the three of you...??? just contact me and you will get the possibility to contact "her" in person...No need anymore to use the brothel of that "Great Emotional Pimp" living in New York...Mister Crook is an American citizen...!!! By the way. So may be you will see then "what kind of designs" she really has in store...for you & us. Is she existing and how many clones she has...? For sure the head crook reads these things too, and they are even a few quotes of its personal make on this site...I did wrote to Silver yesterday and did get no answer or demand since...I wander if you really want to know about her before spending time & further money... That girl in particular does write a lot...How long do you think it takes for her to write such letters even in her own native language... I think quite a bit of time...She is at least writing to four men... It must be a full time job, don't you think...?

dublindevil
01-05-2007, 11:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by helskar


quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

How funny you are the three of you...??? just contact me and you will get the possibility to contact "her" in person...No need anymore to use the brothel of that "Great Emotional Pimp" living in New York...Mister Crook is an American citizen...!!! By the way. So may be you will see then "what kind of designs" she really has in store...for you & us. Is she existing and how many clones she has...? For sure the head crook reads these things too, and they are even a few quotes of its personal make on this site...I did wrote to Silver yesterday and did get no answer or demand since...I wander if you really want to know about her before spending time & further money... That girl in particular does write a lot...How long do you think it takes for her to write such letters even in her own native language... I think quite a bit of time...She is at least writing to four men... It must be a full time job, don't you think...?

Helskar, how will you do that - "To contact her in person" ? I would love to know as I have a few on CC who I would be overjoyed to know how to contact. ? If its private can you send me a message please. Thanks.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

dublindevil
01-05-2007, 11:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by careerandjobcoach

Seems like all these scammer people use the same lines. It has to be next to impossible to figure out who is genuine and who is not. My Russian "sweetiepie" can really lay it on too as you can see by reading some of her emails to me that I have posted in here.I am just playing the game until she finally hits me for money then I will drop away from her like a hot rock.They can sure lay down some sweet lines though and I kind of like reading them and flattering myself. LOL [:p]

Hello 'careerandjobcoach'.
I looked for some letters that you had posted earlier but could not find any ? Did I miss them somewhere maybe ?

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

Silver
01-05-2007, 11:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by helskar


quote:Originally posted by Silver

Prometheus

what a story...I am in shock


Hello Silver I mailed you interesting informations about to help you clear your relationship with "Cinderela", it happens that I browse a lot...and fortunately not only on that Mad & Screwdup CC... I am expecting you to contact me:):):)[}:)]
kind regards,

Helskar


Hello Helskar...

I have not received any information from you...
this is my email

I would appreciate any information about it...

I have not place any post because I am still in shock thinking how stupid I am..
I spent one year at this site for nothing...

Silver
01-05-2007, 11:37 PM
my email again...

helskar
01-06-2007, 12:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

my email again...

f_salo@hot

Hello Silver things are posted
kind regards
Helskar[}:)][}:)][}:)]

Silver
01-06-2007, 12:55 AM
thank you very much...

Jackspades
01-06-2007, 08:33 AM
Hey guys,

Wow, what a great forum on CC. I have learned a lot, not shocked at all. Originally I used the Ukraine CC, but then I sensed something was fishy. I too talked to "elena G" the 1586. She never answered any of my questions and the emails were messed up!!! I got an email from one girl describing how she saw a chipmunk cross the street and everyone in the town was watching it grab food. I thought the translator or the girl whoever it was, was stoned!!!!! Whatever they were smoking, I need some of it!!! :D

Then I went to the Argentine version: Fiancee connections. I contacted the 6 girls I have been talking to first, never the ones that contacted me. I speak to 4 regularly. I am 31 years old, and I am a good looking guy, I just do not want to date american women anymore, and I am willing to do what I must so I do not have to. I will not go into it. Anyway, the girls I speak to, I believe it is them. They answer every one of my questions, sometimes it takes a couple of days, they apologize, but I find them consistent in their personality. One of them says she gets mail from old guys all the time, and she does not reply...these girls are like regular girls, they want someone close to their age. One girl when I wrote her did not know that the agency was charging me so much. She told me to stop writing!!! She felt guilty that I had to pay to write, but when I said for her to go somewhere else, she said, the agency provides free internet and everything for her. These girls think of it like a free cyber cafe. So I do not think one of the "translators" would say that I should not write or write less! Also I asked for more photos of her, and I have not got them for a long time, she always apologizes, you would think the agency would be all over that sending those photos knowing I would pay for it, but she has been busy with school and has not had time. Another girl I write to ALOT, we fight and argue about things all the time, we are very blunt. She is also snobby she will not pay any man any attention unless he is good looking. I am the kind of guy these girls would date if I was there and they were here. She says whatever she wants, even if I do not like it, and she always runs the risk that I decide to never write her again because I do not like what she is saying. She tells me when I piss her off. Could it all be bull****...yes...but I just do not think so. I am going down to Buenos Aires, I can speak spanish okay, not great but okay, so I think I have a lot going for me, in seriously getting one of these girls. I have a list of 10, I think I will be getting atleast one. One girl I wrote I was honest, I asked her "Are you ready to meet me, and maybe move to a strange foreign country?" She said, that I would have to move to Argentina....then when I wrote her and told her reality, she realized she was not ready to do all this, and she quit the Agency, and her profile was taken down!!! So again guys, I think I am taking to the real ladies here. But remember this is the Argentina branch.

My take on the company...is that like any company they are trying to make money. That is probably their mission statement. They overprice everything, and probably do not give service that deserves what they charge. You must keep in mind, if a girl is not interested, she is not interested, there is nothing you can do, you can not cry to the agency and blame them. It is not there problem you are a fat old ugly bastard and they have to bribe girls to date you, that is your problem. HAHA I am joking...seriously if you know you are playing with fire, and you are willing to take chances, then I say go for it, knowing full well that you may get screwed...it is a possibility...the greater the risk the greater the reward .....but if by some chance there is one girl you meet there that would make a perfect wife, you still think all that would not be worth it? Would you tell that to her, "I am sorry, all the crap I had to go through, everything I paid, in my finding you, it was not worth it." Overall, I think the russian, ukrainian women are AMAZING. I just wish it was easier to get one. Atleast with these Argentine Girls, I know their language....I just know one word in russian "Privet", which means hello. I have ukrainian friends, and Argentine friends. I would love to go to the Ukraine, but If so, my friend would introduce me to a nice one, not some whore. Well maybe save the whores for another day! HAHA[8D] The problem we all have, is that we have no control over what happens, the agency has all the control and all of our money, and that frustrates us, aggravates us. I am going to buy 1 week of a trip with the agency in Buenos Aires, and then I will have my own hotel for the rest of my time there. What is a $1400 in my lifetime...if I can get something back so much more. It is a gamble to be sure, but sometimes gentleman when you are in the casino you have to roll the dice. Sometimes you get comp'd, sometimes you are playing Russian Roullette[:o)], sometimes you lose everything, and sometimes you beat the house and win (rare, odds are against you, but people do it).

If anyone has been to Fiancee Connections in Argentina, please advise me, I am serious about picking out a girl down there, atleast out of the 4 that I talk to regularly. Any advice aside from the obvious "Don't go, your going to get screwed", would be appreciated. Email me with advice about FC, Argentina, and how I should plan my trip.

dublindevil
01-06-2007, 11:19 AM
If anyone has been to Fiancee Connections in Argentina, please advise me, I am serious about picking out a girl down there, atleast out of the 4 that I talk to regularly. Any advice aside from the obvious "Don't go, your going to get screwed", would be appreciated. Email me with advice about FC, Argentina, and how I should plan my trip.
[/quote]
Hello.
Have a look at this site. !
www.confidentialconnections.net.. Note the NET.
A lot of it is about Fiancee Connections scamming.
Have to spoken to any of the girls in FC, Argentina ? On the phone or by video link ? Have you received any photos of them at their homes, or work, or along their city street, or have they all been studio pic's. ? Do they give you any contact details or must everything go through FC. ?
Don't forget that FC is owned and run by CC. ! If they are an outright SCAM in Russian why would they be any different in Argentina ? Likewise if they are genuine in Argentina why not in Russia ?
I have written long messages to 'Sergey' in CC and asked many leading questions, cut and pasted bad reports from Forums, sent him the above URL, and asked him to answer everything, but he refuses. He just says "Oh thats our competition trying to undermine our operation". ! I wrote him several times, but all I get is the same answer. He will never answer properly because he has no answers. What organisation would receive such allegations, and thats what they are, from a customer who is spending $1000's and not try to answer those allegations ? I could go on and on, and post here masses of very dubious letters from girls on CC, but just about everything that needs to be said has already been said, so CC are an outright SCAM and the chances of them being legitimate in Argentina are -01% I intend to sue them for my money and have already engaged a lawyer in the USA to do just that. !
Good luck to you anyway.:)

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

Karl
01-06-2007, 01:47 PM
Hello dreamers!
I'm new here and I will tell you (very shortly) my story. Comments are most welcome:)
I was married to a woman from Kharkov for 10 years. I met her trough Scanna in 1994-1995. After the divorce I went on the internet to find a new russian wife. As you understand, the divorce was not due to cultural differences. Many things has changed since 1995 but I got hooked on the CC agency. There are scammers of cours, but after a few mails, most of them can be rooted out. As people on this site has said, the first few letters from the girls seem to be written by the agency in most of the cases. But after that you get real contact with the women. It's real contact and communication, questions answered and so on.
A close relative of mine died and on the spur of the moment I decided to go to Ukraine in October to get away from everything. It was naturally not the first time I was there, so I organized the whole trip on my own. This didn't sit well with the CC agency. I didn't use there vastly overpriced services.:)
They flatly refused to give me the adress to their office in the city! I couldn't believe it. The woman I was supposed to meet, refused to meet me at the hotel, which is understandable. It's not reputable for a woman to do that and I think that CC brainwashing also played a part. In brief I spent 4 lonely days there. In retrospectiv it was a good thing. My mindset was not favouring a new relationship, I was still in mourning.
Just like some of you guys, I have also been in contact with Daria P. for many months (it was not her I was going to meet). The first few letters were impersonal but now it's real communication between real people. She sends lots of photos and her younger sister has also joined the agency. She is very frank about having met many men through the agency. She proclaims to not having found the right one though. I'm planning to go there again, maybe in June, to pay her (but not only her) a visit. This time I will book some things thru the agency, and I will see what happens.
It's of course not cheap, but I'm not sure it's more expensive then wining and dining a woman in your own country for a year, only to find out you're not ment for each other.
Stay positive! Karl

dublindevil
01-06-2007, 02:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by Karl

Hello dreamers!
I'm new here and I will tell you (very shortly) my story. Comments are most welcome:)
I was married to a woman from Kharkov for 10 years. I met her trough Scanna in 1994-1995. After the divorce I went on the internet to find a new russian wife. As you understand, the divorce was not due to cultural differences. Many things has changed since 1995 but I got hooked on the CC agency. There are scammers of cours, but after a few mails, most of them can be rooted out. As people on this site has said, the first few letters from the girls seem to be written by the agency in most of the cases. But after that you get real contact with the women. It's real contact and communication, questions answered and so on.
A close relative of mine died and on the spur of the moment I decided to go to Ukraine in October to get away from everything. It was naturally not the first time I was there, so I organized the whole trip on my own. This didn't sit well with the CC agency. I didn't use there vastly overpriced services.:)
They flatly refused to give me the adress to their office in the city! I couldn't believe it. The woman I was supposed to meet, refused to meet me at the hotel, which is understandable. It's not reputable for a woman to do that and I think that CC brainwashing also played a part. In brief I spent 4 lonely days there. In retrospectiv it was a good thing. My mindset was not favouring a new relationship, I was still in mourning.
Just like some of you guys, I have also been in contact with Daria P. for many months (it was not her I was going to meet). The first few letters were impersonal but now it's real communication between real people. She sends lots of photos and her younger sister has also joined the agency. She is very frank about having met many men through the agency. She proclaims to not having found the right one though. I'm planning to go there again, maybe in June, to pay her (but not only her) a visit. This time I will book some things thru the agency, and I will see what happens.
It's of course not cheap, but I'm not sure it's more expensive then wining and dining a woman in your own country for a year, only to find out you're not ment for each other.
Stay positive! Karl

WOW. ! You went all that way and then CC refused to give you the address of their office. ?? !!!!!!!!! AND, your still going back ? [:0] WOW again. ! Incidently aren't all the office addresses on the web site. ? I just tried to look but their site is down again, and has been down several days this week .
The only thing about wining and dining a girl in your own country is that it will more than likely 'not' take a year to decide your not compatible ? ! Having said that the russian women are of course superior in every way. [:p]
Anyway you seem to have had a real tough time. Got yourself a girl from Ukraine then divorce after 10 years. ! Seems like 10 years is quite a long time to then get divorced, however there are so many things in a marriage that can make or break it. Then loosing a close relative was also very tough. Are you quite sure your doing the right thing by going back to Ukraine again, in view of your previous 10 year experience ? Only you will know this, but if it were me I would have real 2nd thoughts about doing it again. ? Certainly I would NEVER do it through CC. ! They would be my LAST choice as there many other agencies to pick. ! Anyway, the best of luck in your endevours, and hopefully you will eventually find the right girl.

The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.

Lestaadt
01-06-2007, 08:22 PM
Well I found # 4287 on a russian personal site, like a match dot com for Ukranine. The log in says that she has not visited it since September of this year. she uses a slightly different spelling of the name there. I thought that I might refer to this name to give her a clue if I write again. I may travel to Ukraine this March. I have a Ukranian friend here whose family is in Donetsk, and he has invited me to accompany him on a visit to them. I checked the russian personals for that area, and there are several attractive ladies listed from there. If I could contact them, my friends family would check her out and tell me truthfully what kind of a girl she is. I think that is the best way rather than the agency.

Robert

quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

Lestaadt
01-06-2007, 08:30 PM
Silver,

Same girl is interested in me. I found her personal site in russian personals. Perhaps you could contact her directly. If I were you I would not go from the looks of things. Sure, I am wanting things to happen too. But we both need to be realistic and not let this desire take us over like an addictive drug. Can you imagine your disappointment if you recieve the same treatment as some of the men have reported here? I would have trouble bearing it. Then to spend days in a country where you don't speak the language, heart broken and alone, God, sounds like a kind of hell to me. How about post an ad in the local news paper where she lives, mention her name and give a contact info so she can write directly to you? I don't know whatthe answer is. But I do know to take care with your heart.

I just went through it with a domestic girl. 28 years old, tall, blonde, stunningly beautiful, more beautiful than the Russian and Ukrainian girls I have seen, but she is very obnoxious and abusive, spoiled and destructive. She says she loves me, and we were engaged, but she was so mean I couldn't take it, so I had to break the engagement. I feel foolish, but I had developed an addiction for her. She still calls me tells me she loves me, and tries to get stuff, money etc, out of me. Be careful, that kind of stress can make your remaining days on this earth living hell. Irony is, all of the guys I know who have met her think that I have got it made, lol!

Robert


quote:Originally posted by Silver


quote:Originally posted by helskar


quote:Originally posted by Silver

Prometheus

what a story...I am in shock


Hello Silver I mailed you interesting informations about to help you clear your relationship with "Cinderela", it happens that I browse a lot...and fortunately not only on that Mad & Screwdup CC... I am expecting you to contact me:):):)[}:)]
kind regards,

Helskar


Hello Helskar...

I have not received any information from you...
this is my email

I would appreciate any information about it...

I have not place any post because I am still in shock thinking how stupid I am..
I spent one year at this site for nothing...

Lestaadt
01-06-2007, 08:33 PM
What are the weapons laws for Ukraine? Do you know if we can carry concealed over there? I would feel a bit naked with out something in a country where I have heard that crime is so rampant, esp. dealing with scammers. How about my carbine, in case I want to go hunting?

Robert



quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

Lestaadt
01-06-2007, 08:34 PM
Okay, I am contacting you.
Robert

quote:Originally posted by helskar


quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

How funny you are the three of you...??? just contact me and you will get the possibility to contact "her" in person...No need anymore to use the brothel of that "Great Emotional Pimp" living in New York...Mister Crook is an American citizen...!!! By the way. So may be you will see then "what kind of designs" she really has in store...for you & us. Is she existing and how many clones she has...? For sure the head crook reads these things too, and they are even a few quotes of its personal make on this site...I did wrote to Silver yesterday and did get no answer or demand since...I wander if you really want to know about her before spending time & further money... That girl in particular does write a lot...How long do you think it takes for her to write such letters even in her own native language... I think quite a bit of time...She is at least writing to four men... It must be a full time job, don't you think...?

conlaw815
01-06-2007, 10:51 PM
I read all the latest posts with amuzement!!!! I will share a peoem I wrote with you:

AS THE COLD WIND BLOWS

As the cold wind blows they sit in Lugansk
Not sewing on Nikes but faking Romance
To Thomas and Mark they repeat the refrain
We love you so much don?t leave us in pain
It?s Money we need to get to your shores
We?ll kiss and caress you, they lay it on thick
Just go down to Paypal and get it here Quick
As the cold wind blows they sit in Lugansk
Not sewing on Nikes but faking Romance
Your Hopes and Your Dreams Mean Nothing it Seems
They tell lies to Luke and tell lies to John
If You come to see them you don?t stand a Chance
The boyfriend is waiting to cave your head in
Then grab your wallet, to him it?s no Sin
As the cold wind blows they sit in Lugansk
Not sewing on Nikes but faking Romance



Dedicated to Terry from Australia and Vladimir Putin, men who fought back


Copyright Monte Phillips, LLC, USA 2006

Prometheus
01-07-2007, 01:44 AM
As banker David Hannum (and not P. T. Barnum) said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

It is amazing to watch the rationalization that goes in to sustaining a fantasy that has been heavily invested in, both financially and emotionally. My grandmother used to say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

I really would love to see a psychological study of this phenomena. Is there a word for it already? Tell 40 single, middle aged men, that a beautiful young woman in another country wants to correspond with them. Then slowly drop hints over time that the beautiful young woman is actually a 50 year old con artist named Yuri with hair on his back and bad teeth. How many men will keep hitting that button to stimulate the pleasure center (like the famous rat study), rather than owe up to their own foolishness?

Several who have posted here seem to be saying, "Yeah the whole thing is a con, EXCEPT FOR MY GIRL." Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Did you not read a word? The men who went and could not find their supposed life love for the long anticipated meeting? The agency office that shunned them? Or meeting the woman in question, only to realize she had no idea who her suitor was?

As I mentioned, I was on the CC merry-go-round for 3.5 years. I am a successful businessman that has never lacked for dates. What in the hell possessed me to toss my common sense overboard? A certain New Yorker views all CC customers as no more than guinea pigs, and they are constantly tweaking their scripts to maximize ROI. We are the happless rats frantically pushing the button over and over. It's not the money that irks me, as American women are far more expensive than Internet fantasies... its the emotional toll something like this takes.

So next time you pour yourself into a CC communication, just remember, it will end up being read aloud at some discussion group at some point, and your CC expenditures will be reviewed, and some babushka will say, "have 'Iveta' write him, he seems to like brunette women in that age group. See if you can get him to buy the larger perfume next time."

wxman2001
01-07-2007, 02:32 AM
If you wish to search for a woman in Ukraine, Russia, or wherever, and wish to use an agency, then do your research before you dole out money to anyone. There are many forums, one being the Russian women discussion forum, where you can find out which are legit and which are not. However, you can meet many nice women there if you choose to go it alone without the help of an agency, although it will require a bit more work. (You have to find them, instead of being introduced to them) I met my fiance without the use of an agency and have travelled to Ukraine 10 times. Of course I was lucky as I met her through a mutual friend. I did not meet her on the first trip, but met her through friends I made on my first trip. Sometimes your first trip will create friendships, and in the long run, these friendships will open more opportunities. Thats just one way, amongst many in finding someone. Just an observation, if you are in your 40s or 50s, and think a beautiful RW/UW in her 20s will fall madly in love with you, then you need to rethink your plans. If you can't find a beautiful woman in her 20s in your country, don't expect a young woman in another country will love you for you. Not many young women anywhere in this world wants to date a man that looks like their father or grandfather. It's easy to feel that way over there, as these young women who do try and latch on to you will stroke your ego, but you need to question their intentions when they do this. They are trying to improve the quality of their lives any way they can. If you got the money, they got the time. Even if you marry one who is in their 20s, how many do you think will want to stick around with you 25 years from now when you are old and feeble. I doubt many women who are in their 40s will want to change the diapers of their husbands who are in their late 60s and 70s. They will likely b e in the prime of their careers and will have very little time for you.

bachelorboy101
01-07-2007, 05:01 AM
Hi Karl

Good luck with "Daria P". I was going to pay her a visit in august/september last year, having found this forum, i think i can safely say that I`m glad I didn`t make that mistake. I have been "communicating" with her for almost 2 years now. She was so overjoyed that I was going to visit her, however, I found something strange:

When asking her to recommend good accomodation (as I wanted to plan my trip myself), my question was bypassed. I suggested some travel dates, which were fine, then things changed - the first date, she had to goto university for exams in another city. We re-arranged another week for me to fly out, she was "thrilled" to be able to spend the week with "The man of her dreams" then she said that she would only be able to have one or two evenings out with me, as she would be really busy that week!

So, changed the date AGAIN. She then mails me and says that she had to go to the seaside for a holiday with her sister that week as her sister was so looking forward to going to the seaside with her!!

I too have many, many photos of her (I wonder if she is on a comission with the agency for each photo, lol). Did you get the photo of her with her mother & sister walking in the sea:)

When their site is back up, I`ll look to cut & paste some letters here to see if they sound familiar to anyone else.

Looks like I`m not the only one to be suckered in here though - it`s a pity as I also thought I was starting to have a close personal relationship with her - probably me and 500 others!

Jackspades
01-07-2007, 05:31 AM
Hey Dublin and others,

Yes one picture I got from one of the girls, she was in her house. The others were taken at the agency (same couch, same set up). I have not called them up, I have not decided yet. Does FC or CC allow you to get the girls' personal information before a meeting? I do not think so, especially if you are an american because of the new laws, so I think that is out of the question. One time I wrote one of the girls my Tel # and gave her my email, but I got a letter back that did not refer to it. So I think the FC people, either deleted it and gave it to the girl, or the FC people are the ones writing me. Obviously none of us knows for sure what is going on. I don't know, I think it will be okay. I will do a trip with them for 7 days, then spend the rest of the month at a different hotel. I am going to try and meet some friends of a girl I met, who has friends in Buenos Aires, plus I am going to look at it as a tourist trip AND a business trip, because I may try to teach a semester of college there. I need to get connections. Hopefully not "Confidential connection" HAha :D . But Dublin, all I am saying is that I noticed a huge difference in the girls I write to from Argentina, compared to when I wrote the Ukrainian girls. If there was an easier way to meet Ukrainian girls without all the crap, I would be there in a minute. That one guy on here who owns "kherson girls", what do you guys think of his company, I am wondering if I should try it. Feedback appreciated.

michaelhile
01-07-2007, 05:37 AM
HI David, I am new to this site and stumbled on by entering Valentina and Polina in search engine and ended up here. I have been in touch with Valentina since last August. I was plannning on going to Ukraine last fall but was told because of work I should wait. Now she says she says she is in moscow for work and wants me to wait till April.I have been a little cautious and suspicious since the first few letters. I am familiar with some of the scams and when she asked for money for English lessons, flags went up. Letters have not been consistent. Some were word for word repeats of earlier questions. Some questions never answered, etc. In the mean time I have been in touch with a couple of different ladies from a very reputable agency. I used them last year and spent a whole month in Odessa tryin to get to know a lady I had written to for 6months. Had a great time, but sadly it did not work out. But I have not given up and look forward to my next trip. There is a large ukrainian community here in Oregon and have learned to speak and understand a little Russian, so have had no problems getting by while I was there last year. I also emailed you but thought I should post this too
sincerly
Michael

nicklish57
01-07-2007, 07:39 AM
Well after reading this I know this CC is a scam. I have been writing for over a year. I have read the Valyusha letter and the Elena, They all are fake. The valentina letters. How can she be in Russia. I have sent letter that had nothing but 04u577883fxbbx NO complete words and gotten and answer. I have two months of credits let for a young lady and I dont cae about it at all. I have been to the Ukraine 4 times and had a wonderful relationship with a real woman and her family was wonderful. Then her boy friend showed up one day.. We all make mistakes. I will go back but not with CC.


quote]Originally posted by michaelhile


HI David, I am new to this site and stumbled on by entering Valentina and Polina in search engine and ended up here. I have been in touch with Valentina since last August. I was plannning on going to Ukraine last fall but was told because of work I should wait. Now she says she says she is in moscow for work and wants me to wait till April.I have been a little cautious and suspicious since the first few letters. I am familiar with some of the scams and when she asked for money for English lessons, flags went up. Letters have not been consistent. Some were word for word repeats of earlier questions. Some questions never answered, etc. In the mean time I have been in touch with a couple of different ladies from a very reputable agency. I used them last year and spent a whole month in Odessa tryin to get to know a lady I had written to for 6months. Had a great time, but sadly it did not work out. But I have not given up and look forward to my next trip. There is a large ukrainian community here in Oregon and have learned to speak and understand a little Russian, so have had no problems getting by while I was there last year. I also emailed you but thought I should post this too
sincerly
Michael
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siberianhusky
01-07-2007, 08:09 AM
quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

More Letters:

From Lyudmilla S. #4001
30 December 2006
Hi, darling!

I hope you have nothing against of me calling you in such a way. I want this happy day of the New Year to be merry and shiny for you and that is why I hope my greetings will raise your spirits up. So, I wish you happy New Year and may this holiday bring you joy, luck, happiness and prosperity. Let this coming year be better than all the others. Vow to do some of the things you've always wanted to do but couldn't find the time. Call up a forgotten friend. Drop an old grudge, and replace it with some pleasant memories. Vow not to make a promise you don't think you can keep. Walk tall, and smile more. You'll look ten years younger. Don't be afraid to say, 'I love you'. Say it again. They are the sweetest words in the world. ;)

And I would like to say here with words of Henry Longfellow (I've read is quote in the magazine and liked it;) : "Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely improve the present. Go forth to meet the shadowy future, without fear, and with a manly heart."

So, I wish you all the best and may all your wishes come true! ;)

Warmly, Lyuda



13 December 2006

Hi, dear Jim!

Thank you for your letter. I have been waiting for your respond. It's true. I see now the reason of your delay. YOu have a very responsible and ratehr dangerous job! Are you going to stop serving in the military at all after coming back home?

I think you are not against of me telling you a bit about myself. Well, I would like to find a trustworthy and gentle, honest, decent man. And I am sure you have these qualities. ;) I would like to have serious relationships and I would like my husband to be a best friend for me. I want to share everything with him; I want him to be my soul mate. I think that marriage is close togetherness, being as one. I want to mean world for my husband I will give him all my love and care in return. I am a very faithful lady and my husband will be my true friend to the end. I will never lie to him or deceit him. I hope you have the same values and I believe you share my point of view. My daughter is 4 years old and she is so cute! She is 5 this Friday. ?? She looks like a small princess! Her name is Nastya. I see that you have such an angel as well. ;) I can imagine how much she misses you when you are so far from her. I am so busy at my work at the moment, that I don??t have much free time, but when I have some I try to spend it with my daughter. When the weather is nice we like taking walks to the park or to the forest together. And on weekends we like going to picnics. My goal is to have a nice and friendly family. I will treat my husband like a king and I would like to be treated like a queen also ;))) Well, I would also like to have a successful carrier, though I place the family on the first place. Do you think I am right? I am very emotional, very enthusiastic and optimistic. I enjoy my life as it is and I am thankful to my parents that they gave me birth and this wonderful chance to appear on Earth.

I never give up and if I am in a good mood it is very difficult for somebody to spoil it. What goals do you have for your future? Are you afraid of obstacles, or may be on the contrary they encourage you? I am just curious. As for me, I have great plans! I would like to have a nice and caring family, to have a good carrier and just to have a happy life. And I am never afraid of obstacles; they encourage me to work hard. I will be waiting for your letter with impatience, JIm!!!

Best wishes, Lyuda

11 September 2006

Hello!

I am Miss ?Mystery?, Miss ?Charm?, Miss ?Sexy?, Miss ?Spontaneous?. I can be proud and inaccessible, and I can be affectionate and tender like a little kitten. I can be sad or cheerful; I can be serious or funny. I can be business-like and emancipated. I am hard working, but sometimes I am a lazy-bone, who just wants to lie down on a couch listening to the nice music or relax in the caressing rays of sun. I can enjoy noise and silence. Sometimes I am fretful, sometimes I am very amenable. So it is hard to become bored with me.

I love flowers, historical novel, romantic stories and movies, music, dances and sport. I like to cook something delicious using the recipes from magazines. I would love to visit different countries and learn several foreign languages.

I have a pure and open soul. I am delicate, sensible and romantic. I am the pearl which needs a decent mounting. I don?t have half-tints in love. If I love someone, my love is intense and unusual. My partner will be the only one for me.

I am not looking for an ideal man. I like the MAN, who will make me happy. And I will give him all my care, understanding, faithfulness and loyalty, affection and tenderness in return. I will bring joy, warmth and coziness to his house. By my side he will feel himself the most desired man in the whole world. I think that family is the most important thing for every person.

That?s the way I am!

If you are interested in communicating with such a woman as I am, just write me.

Lyuda.



From Elena G #1586

25 June 1986

Hello my dear Jim!

Thank you for your letter.

At last I?ve come to the Agency. I missed our communication very much and it seems to me we haven?t been talking for a thousand years? Though to tell the truth I wouldn?t be able to stand so much without communicating with you, my dear?

My dear, I`m ok and I`m back to my normal life.

The summer has started and several people from my job took vacation at the same time, though the boss strictly ordered to take a vacation in turn so the work process would not slow down. So after three people took a vacation it?s so crazy at work now. For the whole last week I went to work to 8 o?clock and came home late in the evening at 20 or 21, I didn?t even have time to go to the dinner break, I took lunch with me from home. So because of all that I had not forces to come to the Agency and write to you. But I thought about you all the time and I missed you very much?

So the desired Sunday has come and I have a day off. And right in the morning I came to the Agency to write to you?

It?s such a heat for the several days here, about 30 degrees in the afternoon but as I?ve spent the whole day in the office I didn?t mention that. One of the girls who took a vacation called us and told how wonderfully she spends time at the seaside. She and her boyfriend went to Turkey and they have a marvelous weather there now. And you know, I also wished to appear somewhere at the sunny beach near the warm sea. But to tell the truth I don?t know if I?ll take a vacation this year. As I work in private company, our vacations are not paid and I can take a vacation for only one week or ten days. Of course many people don?t like that but they realize that if they insist on their rights they can easily loose job. I know that such nonsense takes place only in our country but in civilized world there are special trade unions that look after the rights of working people. Am I right? My dear, what about your vacation? How do you usually spend it?

Jim, my dear, I won?t write about sad things and problems any more. Let?s better talk about something good? You know, I really missed you all these days and I?m very sorry that according to the rules of the Agency we can?t exchange the contact information? Sometimes I wish just to hear your voice? I realize that probably I won?t understand anything from your words but all the same I will be very pleased to hear you.

My dear, I?ve just seen on my way to the Agency the strawberry for sale at the market. And I wished to buy those wonderful berries so much. You know, it?s my favorite berry and I can eat very much of it? So on my way back I will certainly go to the market and buy some fruit because at such a heat I don?t want to eat anything but fruit, it?s very useful.

Jim, it?s Sunday today and i wonder what you are going to do today? Do you have days off in army?

Concerning me, after such a crazy work week, I just want to stay at home and to clean the house.

My dear, I wish you a nice day! And please take care..You are so dear to me..

Sending you my kisses? Looking forward to your reply!

Lenochka

13 April 2006

Hello, my dear Jim!


If you?ve received my letter, it means my mom could finally reach the agency and bring my letter to you.

My darling, if you could only know how I missed you and your letters...

This time was like torture for me, I?ve spent so many days alone without any opportunity to send you at least a short message.

My dear Jim, I don?t know if agency?s staff has informed you about my urgent operation on appendicitis. I had a very difficult case. And I?ve spent more than 10 days at the hospital and now I am already at home, but I?m too weak to go to the agency myself, so my mom or my brother will try to bring your letters to me.

My darling, I?ll not write a lot in this letter, because my mom is almost dressed and is going to the agency and I want so much you to receive this letter as soon as possible. As I know, you probably worry very much, because you have had no news from me.

Jim, you know, all these were very difficult trail for me, because this is my first operation and I have never been to the hospital before.I don?t want to write you straight away about all that fears I?ve suffered. Today I?ll write you longer letter and tell you more about all this.

Darling, please write me you are with me and you still value our relationships. You know, your letter is my most desire present. If you could only know how I miss you?.

Yours,
Lenochka

29 March 2006

Dear Jim,

We couldn't contact Elena on the phone and called her parents, so the fact is that Elena is in hospital now after operation.

As soon as she is able she'll write to you.

Sincerely,
CC staff

Anyone ever get something like this from these two?

Jim

siberianhusky
01-07-2007, 08:25 AM
Hello new member here, sorry for the last post that I did not leave a comment on:D

Hey Jim(Glimmertwin34) I have also receieve the same email from Elena or Lenochka #1586 word for word as yours. I have been with CC for 9 months now and found this forum when the link for CC went down this week and now with all the new info that I have received from everyone on here I now truly know this a very big scam and I feel like a fool for buying all those emails and gifts to send her not knowing that she was a fraud. It has taken alot of emotions out of me because I have put so much effort into this girl for whom thought cared so much about me. Well I guess I have learned my lesson the hard way, now I will not book a trip that I have been preparing for this coming march or april and I thank you all for this, much appreciated.

These are the women I have been talking to since April 06'.

Elena G. #1586
Valyusha #4287

There is a third girl Stella #7533 for whom I have been talking to for a year now and I wonder if anyone on this forum can tell more me about her, like what they have experienced between emails and so on. I can compare letters to tell if she is a fraud like the other two I previously mentioned. Please if anyone has more info on this girl contact me at anytime soon.

Prometheus
01-07-2007, 08:54 AM
Yeah, Google is a pretty amazing thing, too bad I did not put two and two together sooner. Years ago, I was corresponding with Anna N #3046, and Google'd her. Turns out she was a model with two different Ukrainian agencies, had the SAME portfolio online, was listed with another dating agency, and had some press releases about having won a local beauty pagent (all in Russian). IN OTHER WORDS, SHE WAS A CARDBOARD CUT OUT CASH COW.

When I inquired why she had NEVER mentioned any of this before, she replied "my, you certainly are clever to have found out all this about me!" An intelligent man would have run for the exits at that point. But like the sirens of Ulysses, I was completely blinded.

Jack, as far as the Argentina site is concerned, a friend once said, "even a pig finds an acorn once in a while." But take a look at CC next time it is up. The most recent "thank you" letter or "success" story, is dated 2003, and most are much older. I did think it strange that a "big successful dating agency" had virtually NO testimonials, and they ones they did have were quite old.

So I'm sure the owners who lie, cheat, and steal from men in the Ukraine are running a legitimate business in Argentina... as if! I Google'd this book: Ulysses and the Sirens: Studies in Rationality and Irrationality (Hardcover)by Jon Elster. I think I'll try to find a copy.

Prometheus
01-07-2007, 09:13 AM
Siberian, the site is down (again, what's with that?), but is "Stella #7533" supposedly an 18 or 19 year old brunette girl from the Odessa region? If so, she wrote me incessantly last year. After a couple of cut and paste, nonresponsive replies, I dropped her and "she" continued to pester me for months. I finally wasted a letter credit to tell "her" she was much too young for me and I was not interested in a relationship with someone her age. She then continued to write me for several weeks saying essentially, "I GET OFF TO 45 YEAR OLD MEN!" (Of course it was in the typical loquacious CC style, nothing so blunt).

"Lyudmila S #4001" was supposedly 31, college educated, an office manager, with a daughter my son's age. That was the fishing lure that had me striking. They cover a whole range, I'll grant them that... even a few butt ugly babushkas! Wonder who's paying $7 a throw to write to them???

siberianhusky
01-07-2007, 09:45 AM
Hey Prometheus,

The Stella I have been talking to is from Simferopol and she is 24 yrs old has brown hair but now it is blonde, has a younger sister and works as a lawyer for a car company but who knows now since the other two girls are very famous on here so it is hard to say if she is a fraud or not, that is why I am asking if anyone else knows more about her or have had the same experiences as I did.

I have heard of other agencies that are very good now but I am a little hesitant to go forth and try them out, anyone have any good info other agencies that are legit.

Thanks

timber87
01-07-2007, 10:06 AM
I visited a branch of CC for 1 week last summer. The girl I met was 100% legit. Met me at the airport...
Remembered every single letter I've ever sent to her and told her.

I'll tell you what the problem is with some of you L-O-S-E-R-S. It's plain as day really. Some of these 40-50 year old losers think they can just fly over to some other country and hit it off with these hot 20 year olds. Wake up and smell reality. Keep believing the bull**** the agencies feed you in regards to "age and looks don't matter" and you'll always end up in the dog house.

These agencies cannot control these girls. These agencies are BUSINESSES like any other business. It isn't about the AGENCIES , it's about the girls. They cannot tell these girls who to like , what to do , when to show up.

I was writing with a girl some time back from CC. It was hilarious. She was talking about how these 50 year old losers constantly write to her and think that she would actually be interested in them. I told her that her profile read seeking: 20-55 and she said she had told the agency to change it to 20-30 and if any guys past 35 write her not to bother her about it.
She even sent me letters from some of these guys to show how pathetic they are.

The girls ARE REAL , they just don't want to be bothered with losers like any other girls any place else.

siberianhusky
01-07-2007, 10:20 AM
I would like to share a little info about myself. I am 29 divorced with no kids and I am a current member at CC with credits left for emails but hesitant on writing back until I find out if this woman is legit or not because of all the bad press the site is getting so I am being CAUTIOUS at the time.

Thank you

timber87
01-07-2007, 10:30 AM
If you want to find out anything - get on a plane and find out. Letter writing for more than 3 weeks is bull**** and accomplishes nothing. The real deal is in the meeting not in the letter writing.

Every large company has bad press. It's completely unavoidable when your running a large scale business. Some of it might be true but theres also lots of it that is complete BS.

http://www.killercoke.org


I judge things on my own personal experiences and not on the experiences of others. Commen sense is your friend , unfortunately most of the people who do this type of thing are dumber than a door nail and easily taken advantage of.

howard darby
01-07-2007, 01:52 PM
I too have received letters from elena g,elena m , daria,valyuska b, and marina b. The letters i have received are word for word the same as the rest of you guys have received. I was even making plans to go to ukraine to meet 5 of the girls i have been writting. i have now canceled those plans and i will will contacting cc about their scam and turning them into the better business bureau in new york. I just discovered this web site by mistake and i am glad I did. i have spent thousands on photos, gifts, and e-mails to these girls over the past 2 years. thank you so much for the information so i will not spend more.
hdarby1015

dublindevil
01-07-2007, 02:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by howard darby

I too have received letters from elena g,elena m , daria,valyuska b, and marina b. The letters i have received are word for word the same as the rest of you guys have received. I was even making plans to go to ukraine to meet 5 of the girls i have been writting. i have now canceled those plans and i will will contacting cc about their scam and turning them into the better business bureau in new york. I just discovered this web site by mistake and i am glad I did. i have spent thousands on photos, gifts, and e-mails to these girls over the past 2 years. thank you so much for the information so i will not spend more.
hdarby1015

Howard.
Don't go to the BBB. ! They are utterly useless and in the pockets of the big organisations. Hard experience with them taught me that !
Join with me. I have a lawyer set up in America ready to Sue CC. If you join me it will make our case stronger. ! In fact anyone on here who has lost money, send me an email and lets get together to get our money back ! There is power in numbers. !

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

howard darby
01-07-2007, 02:39 PM
helskar she is also writing to me and i was going to visit her in march what if we all show up the same day--hdarby1015
quote:Originally posted by helskar


quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

Robert,

Kind of funny in a way eh? So, you still going in March? Let's fly together and see what happens! LOL It would be fun....Do this, write Valusha (sp?) and say you want to visit her the first week of March. I will do the same and see what happens. I have 10 credits left and am going to write one sentence letters to them...saying...

I am coming to visit you the first week of March; are you available?

I will see what kind of a response I get and will happily post them here. I am sure the CC staff..head crook...reads these things too. I wish that there was more that we could do to stop others from having this problem in the future.

Jim

How funny you are the three of you...??? just contact me and you will get the possibility to contact "her" in person...No need anymore to use the brothel of that "Great Emotional Pimp" living in New York...Mister Crook is an American citizen...!!! By the way. So may be you will see then "what kind of designs" she really has in store...for you & us. Is she existing and how many clones she has...? For sure the head crook reads these things too, and they are even a few quotes of its personal make on this site...I did wrote to Silver yesterday and did get no answer or demand since...I wander if you really want to know about her before spending time & further money... That girl in particular does write a lot...How long do you think it takes for her to write such letters even in her own native language... I think quite a bit of time...She is at least writing to four men... It must be a full time job, don't you think...?

Gumby
01-07-2007, 06:29 PM
I am new to CC and this forum. My thoughts for now are these...

Valyusha #4287 sent an email to me on my Yahoo account, which ended up in my "Junkmail" folder. I never heard of her or CC before. Thought that was "odd". She directed me to seek her out at the CC site.
So, sure, I signed up to CC because it was "free". Well, analyzing this further, it is OBVIOUS Valyusha cannot speak or write English! How can she write me an email to my Yahoo account! In the email, she INSISTED we continue communicating with her via CC and not through Yahoo! I could care less about #4287, but am interested in some of the others on the CC site.

Now, I am sure a lot of the CC ladies are legitimate. I am also sure some are not. Caution needs to always be applied. Yes, CC is a business venture with lots of expenses and they need revenue to survive. During this time, I do not see a complete evil-intent with everything. Are the people in this forum representing a majority or views? Sure, there are apt to be bad experiences from CC and from some of the ladies.

I very much respect the postings on here so far. The truth light has shined. Many good ideas are coming forth, in regards to strategy, and what to look out for.

As for the CC being down for 3 to 4 days now, the thought of a government shut-down has occurred to me, even before I found this forum today Sunday, January 7, 2007. Sorry, I am in the IT field and there should be no excuse for this length of shutdown from a technical point of view, if the site is properly managed.

Good day!

Gumby

newduke
01-07-2007, 06:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Jim,

Well it makes me feel better to hear that someone else is writing Lyudmila S #4001 as well. I am not the only fool. I did pay for the new photos of her on the site, so hope you enjoy them. ;)

She told me that a relationship had gone poorly for her, and that for a period of time she did not correspond with anyone. Then over time she led me to believe that I was the only one she wrote to.

But I had my suspicions. Have you noticed that about half the time a letter to her is replied to within the hour? As if someone in the office is cutting and pasting an answer, as fast as they can charge another letter credit?

Has she told you about the foolish friend who fell in love instantly with an unsuitable man? I got that letter twice.

Stories about her brother's death and the grief that her parents feel?

Stories about Nastya (Anastasia)?

Every year I got the same letter explaining what International Women's Day was, that New Year's is celebrated like Christmas.

She was also fond of talking about meeting friends outdoors for a meal or drink. I kept wondering where her daughter was with all these social forays!

Now here's one that is good for a laugh... the Russian girl on the agency's homepage with pigtails who is painting? She's a porn star from a Russian website called "Best F*****d Teens." So that should be a red flag about who you are dealing with. I'm all for using stock photos, but a porn star?


Hi Prometheus,

Well, what a fool I am. I am also in shock. [:0] I too have been writing Lyudmila #4001 for 17 months, and realize now I have wasted tons of money on correspondance and gifts. The deception has been excellent, as she seems to respond properly to most of my questions. Once in a while she even sends personality questions/tests, jokes.... Also, she expresses no strong emotions or fake attachment, making her all the more believable. I had no doubt she was writing other men, but to me that is understandable. While it appears she may be real, I can see now that her letters are probably supplemented, hybridized, or embellished by someone else, maybe "Diana" who claims to translate all my letters. Someone there seems to know me pretty well by now, even if it is not Lyudmida. [B)]

Anyhow, I have gotten some of the same stories about all the picnics she goes on with friends. I ass-u-me her mother was babtsittng. I As far as the quick responses to all my letters, she always claimed her work office was next to the Agency's so he could answer at lunch. The story about her brother dieing...never heard that one. Now she supposedly lives with her parents because the apartment was too expensive.



Well, now what do I do??? I already have plane tickets to fly to Kiev in March and supposedly meet her in Zhitomyr. Good thing I did not buy one of CC's packages, as I had my suspicions, more about CC than Lyudmila. I don't want to waste the plane tickets, so I am inclined to start writing other women ASAP, just not with CC. Any suggestions? Even if there really was a Lyudmila and I still wanted to meet her, the agency says it will charge $50 for the meeting, and $100 for translation of my background info. It seems to me I should drop my pipe dream and not waste another penny on CC and "Lyudmila" I wonder how many other guys fall for the "Lyudmila". Maybe she is just paid to write letters, like others have stated.

Prometheus
01-07-2007, 06:58 PM
I was very pissed when I came to the undeniable conclusion that I had been duped by "Lyudochka," and I deleted everything on my laptop concerning her, cleaned out several hundred messages in my CC inbox, turned my profile "off," and said (to myself) "DURAK." I wish I had saved them all, so I could post them as a warning for others here.

I did save one of her questionaires... do you recognize this one?

Do you have a desire sometimes to be someone else?

What are you proud of the most in your life?

Are you satisfied with the place where you are living now?

Have you many close people that you can rely on?

What is the person who is the most interesting for you in your life?

She had the story of the old friend who refused to pay back a debt, the foolish friend who fell in love and got married immediately, a boss or supervisor that was a little too friendly. She "adored" the movie Perfume.

If you do go see her, ask if she's still enjoying the lingerie I sent her. Take a few photos for me if you go, since I'll never see her in it!

There is definately a real person associated with the profile, as she was photographed with my gifts, which I then paid money to download copies of.

I had two names associated with translation of her letters,and there was definately a different "feel" depending on the translator. Send me your email, and I'll give you copies of these photos. There's a couple of nices ones you can pull out and ask her about when you meet her.

Prometheus
01-07-2007, 07:02 PM
P.S. With the CC site down for days and almost 9500 views on this thread, the folks in New York have got to be pissed. An educated consumer has got to be their biggest nightmare.

newduke
01-07-2007, 07:27 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

P.S. With the CC site down for days and almost 9500 views on this thread, the folks in New York have got to be pissed. An educated consumer has got to be their biggest nightmare.


Hi Prometheus,

I just sent you an email. I should have known better all along about falling into the trap. I can easily recognize a lot of fakes, like Elena of CC, but Lyudmila was/is much more deceptive, IMHO.

Newduke

newduke
01-07-2007, 07:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

I was very pissed when I came to the undeniable conclusion that I had been duped by "Lyudochka," and I deleted everything on my laptop concerning her, cleaned out several hundred messages in my CC inbox, turned my profile "off," and said (to myself) "DURAK." I wish I had saved them all, so I could post them as a warning for others here.

I did save one of her questionaires... do you recognize this one?

Do you have a desire sometimes to be someone else?

What are you proud of the most in your life?

Are you satisfied with the place where you are living now?

Have you many close people that you can rely on?

What is the person who is the most interesting for you in your life?

She had the story of the old friend who refused to pay back a debt, the foolish friend who fell in love and got married immediately, a boss or supervisor that was a little too friendly. She "adored" the movie Perfume.

If you do go see her, ask if she's still enjoying the lingerie I sent her. Take a few photos for me if you go, since I'll never see her in it!

There is definately a real person associated with the profile, as she was photographed with my gifts, which I then paid money to download copies of.

I had two names associated with translation of her letters,and there was definately a different "feel" depending on the translator. Send me your email, and I'll give you copies of these photos. There's a couple of nices ones you can pull out and ask her about when you meet her.


Hi Again Prometheus,

Not sure you got my email....did you? Anyhow, Yes, I recognize a few of those questions! Darn, I knew she liked the movie "Perfume" and I heard the story about the friend who got married too suddenly, but I never heard about the boss who got too friendly, or the friend who refused to pay a debt!!! I have heard about her annual trips to the Crimea with her daughter each September...as an excuse why she could NOT meet me this past September!, or the second degree she got in accounting, or how she makes great apple pies, or how her brother just lives far away (never heard anything since), or the tennis lessons she supposedly took this summer, or the girl in her office who turned out to be a cleptomaniac and got fired, or how most recently how she wants to ice skate and their city plans to build 2 new ice arenas... She claims she would like to talk on the phone after I bring it up (3 times now), but she never gives me a time or date.

I don't have access to all her letters to at the moment, as the CC site is down, as others here have mentioned.

Newduke

helskar
01-07-2007, 08:01 PM
Hello everybody...!!!
Has anyone been into endless writings with:

# 4935 Svetlana M
# 4223 Viktoria S
# 1859 Elena Z

Many thanks
Helskar

dublindevil
01-07-2007, 08:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

P.S. With the CC site down for days and almost 9500 views on this thread, the folks in New York have got to be pissed. An educated consumer has got to be their biggest nightmare.

Its more than likely CC themselves looking at this thread as I told them about it and asked for their comments about all the postings here. !
In all the long time I have known them their site has only been down for a few minutes at very long intervals so I think they have removed it. Now we have the problem of finding out which is their new site, as without doubt they will continue elsewhere. Such a CashCow is not going to be thrown away ! I also told them I am suing them so maybe thats another reason for their 'disappearance' ?
As to some of the postings on here I have to admit to being a bit shocked. ! Suggestions that "CC are a business and have to make an income" That "maybe some of the girls are genuine" That "everybody on here are LOOSERS, and OLD men trying to get themselves a very young girl".
First, CC are crooks and scammers, so what right have they to expect to make any money, at our expenses ?? Secondly, that some of the girls are genuine. ! NONE of them are genuine. They would not risk trying to run genuine girls and fake girls all at the same time. IF there were any genuine girls then CC would parade them when being asked leading questions, questions which I asked many times.
Lastly, a lot of the Guys on here have given their ages already and shown that everybody on here are NOT old men looking for a young chick. Finally, IF CC have gone from their current site I will continue to look for them. If they are on the internet then they can be found. When I find them I will post on here. Don't forget, if anybody wants to join my legal case against them, let me know. Their site might have gone but they cannot hide all their addresses and phone numbers in UK, America, Belize, South America. etc.
There is also the site CC.NET which sits on the internet right next to CC.COM which could be another reason for their disappearance. ? There are also lots of sites to be found exposing F.Connections. I note incidently that F.C. is also down so they have also gone 'underground'. !
Maybe now, finally, all the 'doubting thomas' trying to suggest that CC and FC were genuine, and refuting lots of what was being said on this forum, can now admit they were wrong. !! ??

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

helskar
01-07-2007, 08:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

P.S. With the CC site down for days and almost 9500 views on this thread, the folks in New York have got to be pissed. An educated consumer has got to be their biggest nightmare.

Its more than likely CC themselves looking at this thread as I told them about it and asked for their comments about all the postings here. !
In all the long time I have known them their site has only been down for a few minutes at very long intervals so I think they have removed it. Now we have the problem of finding out which is their new site, as without doubt they will continue elsewhere. Such a CashCow is not going to be thrown away ! I also told them I am suing them so maybe thats another reason for their 'disappearance' ?
As to some of the postings on here I have to admit to being a bit shocked. ! Suggestions that "CC are a business and have to make an income" That "maybe some of the girls are genuine" That "everybody on here are LOOSERS, and OLD men trying to get themselves a very young girl".
First, CC are crooks and scammers, so what right have they to expect to make any money, at our expenses ?? Secondly, that some of the girls are genuine. ! NONE of them are genuine. They would not risk trying to run genuine girls and fake girls all at the same time. IF there were any genuine girls then CC would parade them when being asked leading questions, questions which I asked many times.
Lastly, a lot of the Guys on here have given their ages already and shown that everybody on here are NOT old men looking for a young chick. Finally, IF CC have gone from their current site I will continue to look for them. If they are on the internet then they can be found. When I find them I will post on here. Don't forget, if anybody wants to join my legal case against them, let me know. Their site might have gone but they cannot hide all their addresses and phone numbers in UK, America, Belize, South America. etc.
There is also the site CC.NET which sits on the internet right next to CC.COM which could be another reason for their disappearance. ? There are also lots of sites to be found exposing F.Connections. I note incidently that F.C. is also down so they have also gone 'underground'. !
Maybe now, finally, all the 'doubting thomas' trying to suggest that CC and FC were genuine, and refuting lots of what was being said on this forum, can now admit they were wrong. !! ??

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

newduke
01-07-2007, 08:21 PM
Well, as far as CC being down, it is unusual. Today is Christmas in Ukraine, maybe this has something to with the slow "fix". Yes, maybe they are down for good. I think after all the gifts and emails for 17 months, I am out about $1500 to CC. I guess I am one of those fools born every minute. However, I don't consider myself a loser, so I certainly don't agree with the comments made earlier. I think most of us are smart enough to know that if something seems too good to be true it usually is, including a wide age difference. I was certainly looking for someone smart, compatable and attractive, but not young enough to be my daughter.

helskar
01-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Sorry for the blank shoot...!!! What would be the right policy for civilised people IF & WHEN: "closing down their site": with regard to the men and women in the process of genuinely writing to each other, being in some cases emotionaly involved...Would these people have to endure the lost of everything including their contacts...??? and everything after paying over such a long period of time...!!!
quote:Originally posted by helskar


quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

P.S. With the CC site down for days and almost 9500 views on this thread, the folks in New York have got to be pissed. An educated consumer has got to be their biggest nightmare.

Its more than likely CC themselves looking at this thread as I told them about it and asked for their comments about all the postings here. !
In all the long time I have known them their site has only been down for a few minutes at very long intervals so I think they have removed it. Now we have the problem of finding out which is their new site, as without doubt they will continue elsewhere. Such a CashCow is not going to be thrown away ! I also told them I am suing them so maybe thats another reason for their 'disappearance' ?
As to some of the postings on here I have to admit to being a bit shocked. ! Suggestions that "CC are a business and have to make an income" That "maybe some of the girls are genuine" That "everybody on here are LOOSERS, and OLD men trying to get themselves a very young girl".
First, CC are crooks and scammers, so what right have they to expect to make any money, at our expenses ?? Secondly, that some of the girls are genuine. ! NONE of them are genuine. They would not risk trying to run genuine girls and fake girls all at the same time. IF there were any genuine girls then CC would parade them when being asked leading questions, questions which I asked many times.
Lastly, a lot of the Guys on here have given their ages already and shown that everybody on here are NOT old men looking for a young chick. Finally, IF CC have gone from their current site I will continue to look for them. If they are on the internet then they can be found. When I find them I will post on here. Don't forget, if anybody wants to join my legal case against them, let me know. Their site might have gone but they cannot hide all their addresses and phone numbers in UK, America, Belize, South America. etc.
There is also the site CC.NET which sits on the internet right next to CC.COM which could be another reason for their disappearance. ? There are also lots of sites to be found exposing F.Connections. I note incidently that F.C. is also down so they have also gone 'underground'. !
Maybe now, finally, all the 'doubting thomas' trying to suggest that CC and FC were genuine, and refuting lots of what was being said on this forum, can now admit they were wrong. !! ??

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

Ralf S.
01-07-2007, 09:27 PM
I've been to so many of the CC offices at various times over the last few years (depending on my circumstances) that I have a season-ticket!

I'd say that my impression is definitely that some BRANCHES (never mind the ladies) are better/more honest than others.

I guess the managers are all given sales targets and obviously their approaches may differ according to their desperation, individual ethics or success.

My penny's worth:

1) The Girls ARE real. I've got to meet every single girl I wanted to, even though one meeting was a 2-minute/hardly knew me affair, despite months of emails leading up to the meeting. We didn't just not hit it off - she didn't like "dark" men at all, so she obviously never saw me before.

Zhitomir branch wins Ralf's "Unknown Soldier" award.

In other branches the meeting was as you'd expect. The girl knew me, remembered private jokes or comments I'd written, asked about my pet rabbit.. you name it. The letters I received were consistent, she had the same personality, used the same language and signed herself "Your Vika" every single time. She also replied on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays only, and almost without fail.

She had to be pukka. Odessa branch. :)


2) The girls DO receive your present. Let's face it, chocolates/flowers cost $5 in Ukraine. Why would CC NOT deliver them? Their money is in their mark-up.

The girl I met in Odessa thanked me for the flowers I'd sent. Zhitomir girl never even thanked me in an email. Draw your own conclusions.


3) Some girls receive 60 letters a week. They WILL send generic replies now and again. What would YOU do? They're bound to have some favourite men and then "the rest".

Try to work out if you're a favourite and bale out if you're merely in the fan-club.


4) Treat the ladies as CC employees. Some are in it as a job, I'm certain but others do hope to meet the right man in the meantime. I met one girl who gave me her email address and would have "defected" from CC (corresponded privately) if the relationship had continued.

She was also on another web-site. Just because they are, doesn't make it a scam. She'd kept the other website secret from CC and I spent a lot of time with her and a CC interpreter that CC didn't know about.


5) Look out for recycled letters. English is a complex language and it's easy for a translator to merely cut a handy looking text from one man's letter and send it to another without noticing "gender specific" phrases or compliments. Does she call you "a babe"? Does she talk about "Chipmunks" (in Ukraine?) or anything else that sounds more like a desription of Sunnyvale than Simferopol?

When you tell her you crashed your motorbike and broke your arm, is she concerned or does she not even comment on it?

Simferopol wins the Ralf "Oh bad luck that you died last week" award.


6) Chat up the interpreter! She's normally cute, speaks good English, is sympathetic, while you're disappointed and lonely.. ;) She won't tell you anything bad to your face about CC but they're only human.

Inevitably any "dishonesty" going on in that branch wears them down. Look for the subtle clues they give you...is she "thinking of leaving" CC?

Zhitomir, Lutsk and Poltava (?).. what's going on there?


7) Does the manager have a blase attitude to your success? So you travelled 3000 miles to see girl X and at the last minute she doesn't show up (busy washing her hair etc.) How the manager acts should tell you something.. If it's "So look in the gallery and find another!" I'd be a bit concerned.

Zhitomir and Lutsk again tie for Ralf's "Fish in the Sea" award.

In comparison, when I went to Odessa to meet one girl ..the manager was mortified that we didn't hit it off. That was real too.


8) Is the staff also in the gallery? Check out Lutsk (Bogdana 6001? is the manager). They could just be there to make up the numbers. I'm sure if Brad Pitt turned up, he could have her but the rest of us mortals are just wasting our time.

On the other hand some of the office girls are genuinely looking. One branch I was at, the translator was beside herself with joy and excitement that she was off to visit her guy in London soon. She showed me his photo and then got all embarrased. That was absolutely real.

9) My advice is "Know your girl". If she doesn't tell you about her family, her friends, her work or her day then she's faking it. If she's inconsistent, uses odd language or signature then could be you're writing to the translator (though "style" varies with the translator).

I HAVE been in the offices when girls have turned up with letters to be sent out. Those are real. On the other hand, I've also been in offices when translators have received letters and SEEMED to be just replying straight away.

Don't waste your time with any girl who wrote to you first.

Don't waste your time with ANY girl from a branch where you ALWAYS get a reply (even though you're 90, fat, bald and senile and "she" is always 19, a Miss World runner-up and invariably gorgeous). Only use a branch where sometimes a girl doesn't reply.

Don't waste your time with any girl that writes "romantic slush" while ignoring that you had a car accident and are in intensive care, kept alive only by machines!

Don't worry if she calls you Bob and your name's Pete (see 5. though). It could be a genuine typo' in a genuine generic letter. But don't waste your time if you're more "fan-club" than "favourite" of a particular girl.

Remember the interpreter is fair game! :D Also, the translator. You may have been writing to her all those months, after all! ;)

Don't write for years and years. A few months ought to be long ennough for you to spot a good one. Go see her! Treat the trip as a holiday with a girl attached, rather than as a trip to see just her and for no other purpose (or girl). If you hit it off, great! Otherwise, do stuff.. see things.. have fun. Remember that the "date" will do what you want. Take that disappointment date to a strip joint and get her ****-faced on cocktails. :D

Expect that you may just not "click". That's not necessarily a scam.. it's real life.

Be wary of Zhitomir, Lutsk and Simferopol. Look at Poltava, Odessa etc. instead.

Poltava has the most beautiful girls (so I've been told by more than one other branch manager). Zhitomir seems to have the dirtiest looking (but see how many Ralf awards they won).


Good luck and take it easy out there.

Ralf S.


No bullets for Chaingun

Gumby
01-07-2007, 09:50 PM
Excellent advice Ralph!
I agree with your whole approach and evaluation.
Thanks for taking the time to write all the words!
It was all very helpful.

Gumby

dublindevil
01-07-2007, 10:17 PM
Registered today, 1st post today. ? Never been here before. ?
This is the danger of these forum's, just anybody can register. Even managers of CC have been known to register. ! (see earlier posts by them) The jury is definitely 'out' until such time as we note the reappearance of CC's web site. ? Also the F.C. web site as well. ! They (in S.A.) do not celebrate a January Christmas, and are 3/4 of the world away from Ukraine. ! :D All that revenue down the drain for all the days not online. ? [:0]

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

newduke
01-07-2007, 10:25 PM
Ralf S.,

Obviously you are not high on CC's Zhitomir Branch. But have you actually been there? Can I expect the Manager and employees to be rude and unhelpful? I am seriously thinking about cancelling my whole visit there.

As others have said on this thread, CC won't give out addresses and appears to edit letters and fake some completely. You don't seem to address this, except contend that the women are real or, if we have been writing the translator all along, then go after her!

Well, anyhow your advice has been very helpful.

newduke
01-07-2007, 10:35 PM
CC appears to have an alternate site:

lovemelongtime.com

Don't know what's up with this since I have never been there and it is down as well! Appears to have the same women as CC's principal site.

siberianhusky
01-07-2007, 10:56 PM
Well the site is still down so this forum might have hit a nerve!!! My last email that I received was more than 3 days ago and since I have not been able to get into the sight so it is strange to see a very managable site with experienced web creaters completely disappear for days on end now knowing this is the money they are receiving on a daily basis. To shut down a site which is a cashcow is odd so I will continue to monitor the CC and post when things change.

Be aware, be very aware!!!

Ralf S.
01-07-2007, 11:00 PM
Newduke,

I've been to Zhitomir.

The manager there is an old-time CC employee. There's an old group photo hanging in Odesa with him in it.. whereas most of the other managers in that photo aren't employed any more.

He's friendly enough but he has a rather mechanical attitude. I don't get the impression he was too bothered that I didn't hit it off with the girl I went there to meet. Instead he expected me to quickly find another lady to meet the next evening. I got the impression that he ws more interested in the quota of "translator hours" etc. he had to make.

His wife seemed quite hard-nosed. Definitely "hard". There were girls there being videoed while I was in the office and she was quite curt with them too. I don't think it's just Western men she doesn't like! :D

The girl I went to meet in Zhitomir had obviously read my letters to her, as she recognised some of the things I told her about my life. But she seemed not really to know me, so it could be she received so many letters that mine weren't top of her list - maybe I was more "fan-club" than "favourite". Anyway, she wasn't impressed by me and that was that.

The translators I used there were friendly and kind. There was something going on in Zhitomir though as one in particular was unhappy with the manager. She wouldn't talk about it and has since left CC.

As I wrote, the translators are not in CC to scam. It's only their job to translate. They inevitably occassionally get close to the men. In the course of a week they'll spend more time with a visiting man than they do with their colleagues, so they tend to get a bit protective of him. They're genuinely your best ally out there.

I would still go to Zhitomir. The "risk" is going to be emotional rather than financial. The staff do their job in a detached way but really, if your woman is genuine and likes you, you couldn't care less. The danger is that if you don't click with your girl, support and sympathy are in pretty short supply.

So be "emotionally detached" but be bold and have fun. You'll be spending time with a cute chick.. and if you go there with no expectations, then whatever comes of it won't really be so bad.


Ralf S.


No bullets for Chaingun

Ralf S.
01-07-2007, 11:16 PM
Sorry, I meant to add..

I can't comment whether letters are routinely edited or not. CC won't give you the girl's address (obviously their money comes from you being tied in to using them as the delivery medium @ $6 a go) but if/when you meet a lady and you hit it off you could get her email/phone number from her yourself. I managed it in Poltava.

Any letter where you send or ask her contact details (or even her last name!) is bound to get edited. So will any of hers to you where she asks or offers the same.

I really don't have any reason to think that any "ordinary" letters from me have been edited though I didn't get a reply to one fustrated letter I once sent to Simferopol, so that one probably got cut.

Having said that, I did manage to annoy a girl in Odesa once. She wrote back quite angrily. I patched it up with her ;) but at least I knew Odesa didn't edit anything.

The ones to look out for are if you question something of CC's policy. Now any normal girl would know and be resigned to the rules, so won't offer much opinion (what would YOU say, for instance) but when you get a 3 paragraph defence of CC's policy then that's one obviously written by the staff, I'd have thought. [}:)]

Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun

newduke
01-08-2007, 01:54 AM
Ralf S.,

thanks for the good information about CC Zhitomir branch.

Unfortunately, as per my earlier posts today, the woman I was mostly writing there was No. 4001 and it now sounds like someone besides her has been writing me and a bunch of other guys, at least in part. I got letters from her that are nearly the same as a couple posted here by others! Apparently she does exist, but I have no idea what letters she may or may not have written to me. I can only conclude she is either a paid writer herself and dishonest, or her letters were edited, embellished, and/or totally concocted by someone else, at least part of the time. If that is the case, she may not even know her letters were manipulated, but I doubt it.

Honestly, I thought she and I clicked, but then maybe I was just clicking with the translator! Whomever is her ghost writer, they are pretty effective because we often carried on conversations over time. Many letters were definately not stand alone ones. I had noted some inconsistancies over time but I thought them minor until TODAY!

I have no reason now to trust CC or anything about this agency. I suggest to any guys out there do a better job than I did...ask her about topics you discussed a while back. Try to trip her up in subtle ways. 4001 made few if any errors with me over 17 months. Now that is pretty impressive.

newduke
01-08-2007, 02:11 AM
This message just appeared on russianmeetingplace.com: (I am going to assume the author doesn't mind me quoting him here.)

"Guys a bit of a heads up:


Confidential Connections, Wife Connections, Fiance Connections and Bride Connections all affiliated have had some serious complaints against them, plus they do not allow the exchange of contact information between the parties, girls have no idea who the guys are that contact them, the girls admit that the agency makes them sign a contract whereby they agree not to join other agencies, and to not talk about correspondence with anyone, the office staff write the letters making out to be the ladies who have been contacted, but the worst thing is that many former employees have reported fake letter writing.

The ladies are real, it is just that nothing else is!

Be very very careful with them!

Enough said!

Chris"

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 03:24 AM
I have not been able to get onto any of these sites for 3-4 days. Do we know if they are having trouble, or are they down for good?

I have an ongoing correspondence with a Valentina B for some time, and I believe there is a chance that it was honest. If confindedtial Connections goes out of business, is there any way for me to get her contact information?

Dave

David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 03:42 AM
Yes, I have not been able to get to any of their site either, and have not had mail for several days. I have read this forum and have had a long-term relationship (through letters) with Valentina B (#7548). There have been some inconsistencies, but mostly our letters have been reasonable and seem to be honest. We have developed a very strong relationship, and want to move forward with a meeting, Valentina is in Moscow until April, and we cannot meet to after that.

If Connections goes out of business, they should have a way for members to get in touch with each other.

Dave


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Well the site is still down so this forum might have hit a nerve!!! My last email that I received was more than 3 days ago and since I have not been able to get into the sight so it is strange to see a very managable site with experienced web creaters completely disappear for days on end now knowing this is the money they are receiving on a daily basis. To shut down a site which is a cashcow is odd so I will continue to monitor the CC and post when things change.

Be aware, be very aware!!!


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 04:08 AM
Hi Michael

Thanks for this response, and the information. I joined CC in November (after my wife passed away), and have been writing to her ever since. We seem to have hit it off very well - personality-wise, and have told each other recently that we are only interested in each other, and no one else. She actually told me that she is no longer writing to other men. She also told me that she is in Moscow until April, and that any meeting will have to wait until then.

There have been some inconsistencies in our writings, and once I accused her of saying these things to other men on CC. She got very angry, and sounded very hurt, so I patched it up with her.

Now, CC seems to be down completely for many days! Do you know anything about that? Could you tell me what your most recent correspondence with Valentina has been, and what level on intendancy was involved?

I was hoping that Valentina was legit and that we would be able to meet. You are the only person I have been able to find who was corresponding with her, and I'd like to know everything. Valentina and I have been corresponding on a daily basis, but not the sites are down!

Dave



quote:Originally posted by michaelhile

HI David, I am new to this site and stumbled on by entering Valentina and Polina in search engine and ended up here. I have been in touch with Valentina since last August. I was plannning on going to Ukraine last fall but was told because of work I should wait. Now she says she says she is in moscow for work and wants me to wait till April.I have been a little cautious and suspicious since the first few letters. I am familiar with some of the scams and when she asked for money for English lessons, flags went up. Letters have not been consistent. Some were word for word repeats of earlier questions. Some questions never answered, etc. In the mean time I have been in touch with a couple of different ladies from a very reputable agency. I used them last year and spent a whole month in Odessa tryin to get to know a lady I had written to for 6months. Had a great time, but sadly it did not work out. But I have not given up and look forward to my next trip. There is a large ukrainian community here in Oregon and have learned to speak and understand a little Russian, so have had no problems getting by while I was there last year. I also emailed you but thought I should post this too
sincerly
Michael


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 04:17 AM
Sugestr - if you are an Admin for CC, tell us why all the web sites have been down for many days!!

Dave


quote:Originally posted by sugestr

Also i want to show you letter from our president:
==========
To whom it may concern,

Confidential Connections has been in business for over 4 years(1999), we have over 200,000 registered users. We have full time staff in 7 offices in the Ukraine. Our administrative offices (translators, web design and control is open virtually 20-22 hours per day) Every e-mail that is written to a lady, we personally call the lady and tell her of the letter. The lady has the option of answering the letter, in our office, in her home (with a printed copy) or by her phone.

Most men (not ever seeing the Ukraine in person) forget how depressing life can be in a foreign country that has little or no income for its citizens. If I were a lady there the world outside my country looks good. Just like men who write to many ladies on the site, the lady's can write to many men on the site.

We welcome you to view our free live web cams, which will show the TRUTH.

http://www.confidentialconnections.com/webcams.rpx

All the ladies do exist. If she has been on another site, it shows on her profile. If a lady breaks any of the rules of her membership or is known to be a "scammer" she is removed from the site. We do not sell addresses or phone numbers.

Your best bet in this "online dating thing" is to go visit the ladies and then decide for yourself. We cannot make everybody happy all the time but we try our best.

Sincerely,
Victor Filin Filin Yuk
Confidential Connections


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 04:29 AM
Hey Visable.

You said you bought your ladie's information through 'AFA' WHat the heck is AFA??

Dave


quote:Originally posted by visible11

I met a lady in CC then I found her on AFA and bought her address for $12, but she told me she wanted contact thru CC and I told her I couldnt continue at $7 per mail so I offered to pay for her internet access and she refused so I concluded that she was a translator. She is a top 100 lady and she speaks english and spanish like me and never gave me her phone number thru her email that I bought thru AFA so, definitely CC is scam agency. I have concluded that all sites with credit based points like HotRussianBrides are SCAM because they dont allow exchange of personal info. Sites like BeHappy2Day are based on the same thing. Translators (even male ones) are the ones writing here. I have become disillusioned of online dating now.
Take care!..




David A Desautel

Jackspades
01-08-2007, 06:29 AM
This Forum is the best forum!!!!! All of you guys are awesome!

Here are my issues:

1) If CC and FC web sites are down and done and the company is over, what can we do???? I still have email credits, and I would like to contact 2 of the girls I have been writing.

2) Everything I have read from this forum still has not convinced me the 4 girls I write are frauds because they ask me questions about everything and they tell me specific situations with their families.

3) Are their any good Ukrainian dating services, what about "kherson girls?"

4) We all need to work together as a group here to help eachother out, especially if CC and FC bust, and their website is down permanently.

5) I have already started to look at better sites to accomplish my objective: NEVER DATE AN AMERICAN WOMAN AGAIN, NEVER MARRY AN AMERICAN WOMAN.

Ralf S.
01-08-2007, 07:10 AM
NEVER DATE AN AMERICAN WOMAN AGAIN, NEVER MARRY AN AMERICAN WOMAN.
[/quote]

:D Nice one! There's a night and day difference, isn't there?

I think the CC "down" may be Ukrainian New Year coinciding with a weekend.. probably noone around to notice/fix the problem.

If they were going bust they'd have kept the site open and pumped up the "Buy a New Year gift" emails to get some cash in.


Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun

siberianhusky
01-08-2007, 07:23 AM
I do agree this forum is great also.

I have the same situation Jackspades as I know that one girl I speak to is on the level, the other two I know are frauds. I have many photos of the girl I am connected with and she is with her sister and family and friends plus they all look legit to me, so me confused once again?????? Also there have been many situations where I have gone away for a dying relative or just a b-day party or a weekned and she would always ask me how they were. I would mention this at least a week ahead of time (except for the dying relative of course, which is short notice) to her and she would remember the dates to when it was, unless this is the work of the translator or manager writting this down but how do they have the time to read each individual letter to know exactly when I was going to leave and come back?????? So I am still in the middle of all of this......how do we get our credit back if the company did fold? I still have email and photo credits left, so where do we begin? As of now the site is still down!!!! What is the AFA? Well like Jackspades I will be very careful but continue to look forward talking to the one woman I know is true, if the site does come back up again but if not I will move on and look elsewhere.

Have you heard of Jim's Lists? He mentions black listed agencies & women which are frauds, plus genuine agencies which he calls the Gold List. Do we know this guy if for real or not? Go to jimslists.com and check for yourself if you have not seen this.

newduke
01-08-2007, 08:18 AM
Some of you guys are as bad as I am. Give it up already. Read Jims comments about CC on his website. I have been scammed and was dumb enough to send them a ton of money to correspond with some office worker! Lyudamla number 4001 always had some reason she could not do a phone call and couldn't agree on a time for me to visit. I will demand a refund but it ain't gonna happen. Don't throw your money away. Switch to a reputable agency.

helskar
01-08-2007, 08:46 AM
I DO AGREE 100% WITH YOU. DO BELIEVE "JIM" HE IS ALWAYS VERY HELPFUL & ETHICAL, HIS SITE IS SIMPLE AND EFFICIENT... THEY ARE A SEVERAL VERY BAD SITES, MONEY SUCKERS ALIKE CC, TO BE PUT DOWN...!!!
quote:Originally posted by newduke

Some of you guys are as bad as I am. Give it up already. Read Jims comments about CC on his website. I have been scammed and was dumb enough to send them a ton of money to correspond with some office worker! Lyudamla number 4001 always had some reason she could not do a phone call and couldn't agree on a time for me to visit. I will demand a refund but it ain't gonna happen. Don't throw your money away. Switch to a reputable agency.

Jackspades
01-08-2007, 09:01 AM
Siber,

Yes you and I are similar, I am not some old guy, I am 31, good looking guy, the evidence for Fiancess Connections (FC) being a sham is not as overwhelming as Confidential connections. The girls I talk to at FC, I know are real, when I wrote to the Ukrainians it was all bull****, you could tell it was crap.

Based on what Ralf said, sure, if FC still exists, I would book a trip, it is like going to the Casino, you know the House always wins, but I don't know, it's exciting. And yes, anything is better then dating or marrying an american woman......I am willing to swim to Buenos Aires, if given the option of Dating/marrying an american woman or swim in shark infested waters. I was married and then got divorced, luckily I have no kids owe no money, but I am sick of american women.

Also the Jim's list is very helpful.....

The CC website has been down for 4 days now right? Do any of you have the telephone number to call them up at their New York Office to see what the F*ck is going on????

Jackspades
01-08-2007, 09:05 AM
Maybe my next trip will be to columbia!!! HAHAH

howard darby
01-08-2007, 10:34 AM
hey dublin
yes i will join your suit-my e-mail is hdarby1015@yahoo.com
let me know about it over the two years i have spent about 4 grand on the different woman and i was scheduled to go see lena 1586 in march
i have now canceled but i am still going to go over there and see what happens with some of the other woman. i went to russia 4 years ago and met a very nice doctor but things didnt work out she was very demanding
howard

conlaw815
01-08-2007, 10:46 AM
Greetings-Again!!

FOR THOSE OF YOU PINING FOR CC TO REOPEN THEIR WEBSITE-JUST SEND YOUR MONEY TO ME-AT LEAST YOU WILL HAVE REAL CORRESPONDENCE-IF NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!

IT IS A UNIVERSE, NOT A DUOVERSE!

howard darby
01-08-2007, 10:51 AM
hey guys what really confuses me about elena she has sent me photos of her fishing and hiking riding horses and her trip to turkey did you all get the same photos---do you think the woman get a cut from us down loading their photos and a cut from the gifts that are over priced.-I complained to CC about allowing me to send a gift from texas
to the ladies and now just before christmas they started allowing it but they charged a delivery fee.
any thoughts on this

Blackrock
01-08-2007, 10:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Jackspades

Siber,

Yes you and I are similar, I am not some old guy, I am 31, good looking guy, the evidence for Fiancess Connections (FC) being a sham is not as overwhelming as Confidential connections. The girls I talk to at FC, I know are real, when I wrote to the Ukrainians it was all bull****, you could tell it was crap.

Based on what Ralf said, sure, if FC still exists, I would book a trip, it is like going to the Casino, you know the House always wins, but I don't know, it's exciting. And yes, anything is better then dating or marrying an american woman......I am willing to swim to Buenos Aires, if given the option of Dating/marrying an american woman or swim in shark infested waters. I was married and then got divorced, luckily I have no kids owe no money, but I am sick of american women.

Also the Jim's list is very helpful.....

The CC website has been down for 4 days now right? Do any of you have the telephone number to call them up at their New York Office to see what the F*ck is going on????

This has to be the biggest Scam of all time !
It appears that 1000's of Guys have been duped by CC & FC and all their associated sites. ! They have ALL gone. Made masses of money, but now its got a bit too hot and they have run. !
"That its the holiday period in Ukraine" !! Wake Up guys, its not the holiday period in South America, or any of their other sites. Stop kidding yourselves. ! You should take the advice of 'dublindevil' and get together and sue the 'b*******s'. Telephone numbers in NY ? Yes, ask DublinDevil he has all the info on them and no doubt all the phone numbers too. I think some of the numbers are listed on his site: www.condifentialconnections.net ??
Take a look at this site: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/confidentialconnections.com
Then click on all the green links, which are all connecting sites to C.C. ! Check up on the 'loveme.com' and 'wifeconnections.com' and other sites listed and you will see dozens of sites. ! ALL these interconnected sites are gone ! Notice that 'siteadvisor.com' registered with CC and received loads of 'automated' emails from CC AND even emails from girls on CC. ! WOW. Girls writing to 'siteadvisor' ?? !! Come on now guys, Love IS blind. ! Its a total waste of time complaining on this site, posting letters received from 'girls', asking questions, 'wondering', exchanging info. This was a massive SCAM and everybody has been scammed, big time. Cut your losses, join with Dublindevil, and try to sue them. Thats your only hope. IF CC or FC come back again, and you get back on the site, ask for your money back. ! However they will not come back on those sites, but will form others so as to Scam new guys. Grab the chance to sue then NOW, before its too late. !
What do you Guys need to convince you ? "Loose more money " ?

(Love is Blind. Think with your Head, not your Behind.)

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 11:02 AM
Thanks for stating the obvious blackrock. This is really painful to watch. If it were a movie, I'd just slap someone who'd reply, "Thanks... I needed that."

Guys, of course these women exist. They are paid models. They do have photos at home, at the beach, with a sister. They were paid to come in and get your gifts, so a photo shoot etc. How many men can Valentina B be having a "meaningful relationship" with at once? My "Lyudmila S" thought she "found her future husband" while she was planning trips with at least three men that have posted here.

You're not ugly, you aren't necessarily stupid, but YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED. Wake up and smell the coffee.

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 11:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by howard darby

hey dublin
yes i will join your suit-my e-mail is hdarby1015@yahoo.com
let me know about it over the two years i have spent about 4 grand on the different woman and i was scheduled to go see lena 1586 in march
i have now canceled but i am still going to go over there and see what happens with some of the other woman. i went to russia 4 years ago and met a very nice doctor but things didnt work out she was very demanding
howard

Ok Howard. I will write to you asap.:)

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

newduke
01-08-2007, 11:21 AM
Blackrock says it like it is. A lot of us have been duped. Most of us are not stupid, well I was.

Just one note about Blackrock's message....loveme.com is "Foreign Affair" and is considered reputable, its on Jim's "gold list". No I am not a member there.

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 11:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by newduke

Blackrock says it like it is. A lot of us have been duped. Most of us are not stupid, well I was.

Just one note about Blackrock's message....loveme.com is "Foreign Affair" and is considered reputable, its on Jim's "gold list". No I am not a member there.

Jims lists are also a scam. ! did you not know. ? If you go to RWD (russian women discussion) you will see lots of posts there about him. He is totally biased towards those who pay him. ! I proved it beyond any doubt. I registered for lots of his 'gold' sites and found many things wrong, and quite opposite to what he said. I had loads of correspondence with him, but in the end he stopped replying to me because he had no answers. ! I have reports from web site owners who told me that he said to them "if you place a link to me on your site I will put you in my 'gold' list" !!! Some of his reports are true, why would they not be true, there are millions of scam sites on the internet now, but if his 'gold' lists are investigated they do not stand up. ! Its all about MONEY. "Everything on the net is ruled by money". To hell with 'etiquette' to hell with 'integrity' and 'honesty' - make money fast and then disappear. or "If the mugs keep coming keep ripping them off". ! :)
I am drawing up a list of reputable sites and will post here later. If I get the time. ? [?]

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 12:24 PM
Here is one site. !
tver angels
and another:
dating more
You will NOT find any 'glamour' girls on these site, or Models, or page.3. girls. !! Just ordinary Russian girls as they actually are and will forever be. ! NO scams on these sites, as you will realise if you check it out. I Am NOT associated or affiliated with these or any other sites. Just sites that I know are very good.
More later.

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

Gumby
01-08-2007, 02:26 PM
I am anxiously awaiting getting to spend the full amount of some $30.00 I have "invested" in CC. Will they pay interest on an unspent $15.00 or so from email credits? It's unfortunate that I can no longer imagine myself not marrying the woman I have been in contact with for four weeks. I just cannot live without her. I just know she is real and true to me.

Hopelessly in love,

Gumby

helskar
01-08-2007, 03:42 PM
I SUGGEST THAT EVERY GIRL SERIOUSLY SUSPECTED OF BEING INVOLVED IN THAT MESSY GAME SHOULD BE DISPLAYED IN EACH & EVERY OF THEIR PICTURES ONTO MOST OF ANTI SCAM SITES...!!! THE SAME FOR THE OWNERS & REP

Steven Salveson New York
&
Victor Filin-Filinyuk
representativ of ConfidentialConnections.com
Ukraine, Kharkov

quote:Originally posted by Gumby

I am anxiously awaiting getting to spend the full amount of some $30.00 I have "invested" in CC. Will they pay interest on an unspent $15.00 or so from email credits? It's unfortunate that I can no longer imagine myself not marrying the woman I have been in contact with for four weeks. I just cannot live without her. I just know she is real and true to me.

Hopelessly in love,

Gumby

michaelhile
01-08-2007, 04:01 PM
Hello again Dave,
Sent an email in response to your post. I have known that Valentina has been writing to other men since I first started writing to her last August. But for the past few months almost every letter states her love for me, please be patient, and that this year will be for us.
Most of her letter were love this, love that, love love love. I have been around long enough to know that like an earlier post, if it is too good to be true, than it probably isn't. If I ever here from Valentina again, it will come as a big surprise. At this point I am going to definitely pass on CC and Valentina. I was lead to belive that lately I was the only one.I have kept my expectations at a reasonable level, so when all of this came down, I was not too surprised. Maybe a little disappointed, but like I said in my email, there is still plan B. I am flying to Odessa next month and the agency I have been dealing with has never let me down. Nice girls, very professional, and reasonable fees. Good luck with your search.
Michael

michaelhile
01-08-2007, 04:10 PM
Hi Dave,
I forgot to add, my last letter from Valentina was 1/04/07. Until the site went down I was getting letters back from her almost daily. I have kept a copy of almost every letter she sent, but with the site down, there is no way to copy and paste her letters to this site.
Michael

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 04:54 PM
[quote]Originally posted by uljoh

Hello guys,

Ive been reading this since last Wednesday. I have only been corresponding with one lady on CC, since late September 2006. More than 170 letters, including both mine and hers. I had that "1 lady - unlimited emails" - option. Sometimes, we even wrote 4 letters the same day.
I got letters from 14 other ladies, but I never answered them, even if all were beautiful.
The lady, is one of those beeing talked about here. But at the moment I have no wish to say who she was.
Nevertheless I can tell you I emailed her on Thursday, after the CC-server went down temporary for some hours, Wednesday evening. I told her about what I had read here. And I quoted some of it.
Before this I felt we had a very serious connection : ) Honestly.
As I have been scammed before, I though I knew about all trix.
Anyway, here is what she replied:

"Hello _______!
I even don?t know what to start my letter with. You know I went to the agency on my wings to write a letter to you though I am not feeling very well. You know, I was speechless for some time. I can?t believe in what you have written in your letter. It was a real shock for me! And the biggest shock for me was that you believe in all those dirty things which turned out to be written about me! I have never heard about it before and I even don?t know what to tell you. If you don?t trust me and think that I am going to cheat you, there is nothing for us to do then. I am an honest person. I sent you my photos and the photos of my family because I trusted you though you are a complete stranger for me! There were some men who wrote to me but I refused to correspond because they wanted serious relationships and I had you for it. The only one thing I could accept is to be pen friends. And I don?t know any ______!!! Are you sure it was going about me there? I think everyone who can see my photos and my name with ______ can write all that nonsense! I am sure if there is someone who doesn?t like you can write somewhere that ________ is a sexual maniac or something! Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the internet and it is very hard for me to imagine all those things, you were talking about in your letter. So I say if I saw something of the kind written about you, I would never believe it! Now the question of trust comes! We planned the meeting and I am not sure now that it is reasonable to meet with a man who doesn?t trust me. Do you see the point?
I am waiting for your explanations.
_______"

So, you see, how she reacted!
I answered that letter, including more details about what was going on in here, for her to see last Thursday.

The information from CC, said on Friday:
"________ has received your letter and promised to answer in the nearest future"

But, after all the interpreter left the agency, (not scam interpreters) - the site went down later same Friday eve. after all local officies war closed.

One from the Support was also very helpful about the lady?s responce and said she would try to talk with her.

That was one hour before "close down"
Im sure this lady is real, but I dont know what is going on behind.
Very few things could make me doubt her. As I am sensitive about these things since before, I for sure had my antennas up.

/ uljoh
Thats a typical letter 'uljoh'. I have dozens of those. ! Nothing else they can say, is there, except to throw that "I trusted you" gimick and make you feel bad and retract your accusation and "go back with more money" !! The realisation is going to hurt, but thats life. Move on. Look elsewhere on trusted sites.
The sites I put up have been edited. !! I don't see the need for that ! Those sites are not in competition with this forum. ! Feels like somebody is looking over my shoulder all the time. Ugg: [V]
Anyway, they are TVERANGELS and DATINGNMORE. Just look those up and you will find them.
Good luck.



<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 05:11 PM
Siberian, I found Stella's pictures. Email me if you want to compare notes.


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Hey Prometheus,

The Stella I have been talking to is from Simferopol and she is 24 yrs old has brown hair but now it is blonde, has a younger sister and works as a lawyer for a car company but who knows now since the other two girls are very famous on here so it is hard to say if she is a fraud or not, that is why I am asking if anyone else knows more about her or have had the same experiences as I did.

I have heard of other agencies that are very good now but I am a little hesitant to go forth and try them out, anyone have any good info other agencies that are legit.

Thanks

chasm01
01-08-2007, 05:15 PM
Hello

My name is Charlie from the UK. I have been with CC for under 5 months. I noticed the last few days the website has been down and is still down. After finding this forum I must say I was a little horrified to read some of the stories about CC.

I have been corresponding with 3 girls and one of them is Elena G 1586. I read the posting by Jim with regards to this girl as he was corresponding when she had and operation for appendicitis. This rings true as Elena sent me pictures of her on Holiday in Turkey last year and I could clearly see the scar from the operation.

I must admit I have my doubts about this girl as on a number of ocassions I have asked questions in my letters and answers have not been forthcoming. However, I do believe that the girls do exist but what they write when they reply may not always be translated correctly, if it was their reply in the first instance.

I have also been in contact with Cathy L 7713 and this girl always answers my questions and asks questions about me and my family and she seems quite genuine.

Has anybody else corresponded with Cathy L?

I have arranged a trip to Kharkov for 8 days at the end of February to finally asses for myself the merits of CC. I did not book one of the pricy trips they advertise in their services. I have arranged to meet Elena G? and I sent her a letter last week confirming my accommodation.

Once I have completed my trip I will post my report on this forum.

Has anyone been to the Kharkov office?

I would appreciate any response.
Thank you

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 06:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by chasm01

Hello

My name is Charlie from the UK. I have been with CC for under 5 months. I noticed the last few days the website has been down and is still down. After finding this forum I must say I was a little horrified to read some of the stories about CC.

I have been corresponding with 3 girls and one of them is Elena G 1586. I read the posting by Jim with regards to this girl as he was corresponding when she had and operation for appendicitis. This rings true as Elena sent me pictures of her on Holiday in Turkey last year and I could clearly see the scar from the operation.

I must admit I have my doubts about this girl as on a number of ocassions I have asked questions in my letters and answers have not been forthcoming. However, I do believe that the girls do exist but what they write when they reply may not always be translated correctly, if it was their reply in the first instance.

I have also been in contact with Cathy L 7713 and this girl always answers my questions and asks questions about me and my family and she seems quite genuine.

Has anybody else corresponded with Cathy L?

I have arranged a trip to Kharkov for 8 days at the end of February to finally asses for myself the merits of CC. I did not book one of the pricy trips they advertise in their services. I have arranged to meet Elena G? and I sent her a letter last week confirming my accommodation.

Once I have completed my trip I will post my report on this forum.

Has anyone been to the Kharkov office?

I would appreciate any response.
Thank you

Hi.
I reget that you will be disappointed. I have also corresponded with elena.g. But so have 100's of others too. You have sent your letter last week in confirmation of your visit, but did she reply ? Has she agreed to meet you. IF she existed, and IF she agreed to meet you will not be allowed by CC unless you pay them money. !
Anyway, its all academic now, as I will eat my best 'Sunday hat' if CC ever reappear. Don't waste your money, or even more importantly your emotions. Move on. Experience is priceless.

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 07:33 PM
Dublin, I doubt that SS is gone forever, although CC surely is. If they do suddenly appear, you'll have to make a video of your hat eating ceremony. More likely, they'll use their same stock photos for a new scam... could "Valentina" become an "Iveta"? I'm sure!

I posted my Lyudmila S. #4001 "private photo session" here http://prometheus.myphotoalbum.com/ and would like to know if anyone else paid for these same photos or not, since she seems to have been "seriously involved" with so many! ;)

Silver
01-08-2007, 08:03 PM
Hello Guys...

when I found this site I had two questions in mind...

I.- how can I be sure that she is who she said to me she is...???
2.- how can I be sure what is real and what is not from all this...???

I found Valysha B. in another russian site a couple of days ago and I wrote a letter to her, check this out...

Hello Valentina...

I saw your profile at russian_____site and I could not stop thinking that you are an angel fallen from heaven...

I am a man who dreams to find the princess of an endless story whom I could share my life with and...

I am wondering if you would be interested in reply...

I am sending you four pics so you can see how the man who wants to know you better looks like...

hoping to hear from you soon...

kisses, Silver.

this is Valyusha?s answer..........................................

Hello dear Silver

thank you for the perfect small letter and photos.
In a photo I have seen you are at work, is it a factory???

It is difficult to meet in the Internet the serious and reliable man. Therefore I do not love to conduct long correspondence with the man better really once to see than hundred times virtually to write!!
In the Internet a deceit and slyness.

You write the letter to me I feel pleasant feelings and your good positive
character. You quiet, counterbalanced, serious, the reliable man. You have kind wise eyes, sincerity, keenness. Certainly I can be mistaken in life but I am very impressed about the way you look like you are very attractive a very good looking man.

I agree to meet you in Zithomir.

Call to my interpreter
Her fone is xxxxxxxxxx, if you call from Ukraine you have to dail
xxxxxxxxx.
She(it) will inform the information me from you.

I am 26 and she is more than 40 years old, but she speaks good English and very responsible woman.

By the way If you need an appartement she can help you to find a nice place.

or we can meet In Kiev where there are beautiful places and sights - very beautifully ??????????? of different exotic colours in a Botanical garden and also Pecherskaya of Laurels, Peschera, museum, theatre and there are a lot of other entertainments.

You probably is valid my Prince?

I send to you my four photos hoping to hear your voice very soon.

P.S. if you send me some photos of you only others i will send you some more of me.
Valyusha.

you know guys I have exchanged letters and pictures with Valyusha since june until the server of confidentialconnections.com shutdown...and...

she does not know me at all...
but for both of them I am their prince...LOL
who is the real Valyusha...???
this girl sent me 4 pics of her that I did not have seen before and I have like 30 pictures of her with her grandpa and two cousins, with her aunt, friends, from her trip to kiev in november, from a party she had at home in december...etc.

I still have the same question...

how to know what is real and what is not from all this...???
how to know what I am getting into before visit her...??

you know what guys, I am done with this...
I do not need more comments everything for me is clear like water...
thank you to all of you who helped me to realize that I was so stupid wasting my time using the services of confidentialconnections.com for nothing during one year.

I do not know if I am gonna call her and take the chance to meet her in person...
it would be worthy....???

right now I think about one previous experience that I had some months ago when I was dating a girl from a stripper club in my city.
she has a verbal contract with the owner of the club...so,
she could date any man she wants to, while the man picks her up at the club and pay some money to exit her every time ..

I can buy me a woman like that anytime for one day, one week, one month, one year or the whole life...
what is the difference between a stripper dancer and all these catalogue girls...???
can you tell me...???

since a woman accept to sing a confidentiality contract that means a lot of things...
but basically or she is not serious about finding a life partner or she is so innocent..
what do you think about it...??

finally..

I am thinking about getting a platinum membership at elenasmodels.com does anyone have use it before...??

good luck and best wishes for all of you I am done with confidentialconnections and Valyusha...

thanks, Silver.

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 08:39 PM
That is the same question I answered for myself by quitting CC Silver.

You probably want to cancel any credit card numbers they have; I did.

Good luck.

quote]Originally posted by Silver


I can buy me a woman like that anytime for one day, one week, one month, one year or the whole life...
what is the difference between a stripper dancer and all these catalogue girls...???
can you tell me...???
[/quote]

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 09:12 PM
Hello everyone.

I just called the CC New York office, and they told me the problem was that they were changing hosts, and an unexpected technical problem occurred. They say that they will be at a new address (ualady.com), which is partially up now, and should be back fully functional tomorrow.

They also said that they sent letters to all members about this, but I did not verify if that was email or snail mail. I also cannot connect with ualady.com.

So, is this all BS as well? Why would they even answer the phone if they were going out of business??

Anyway, here is the number 1-201-984-3158. Everyone give them a call and report here what you learn!

Dave


quote:Originally posted by Jackspades

Siber,

Yes you and I are similar, I am not some old guy, I am 31, good looking guy, the evidence for Fiancess Connections (FC) being a sham is not as overwhelming as Confidential connections. The girls I talk to at FC, I know are real, when I wrote to the Ukrainians it was all bull****, you could tell it was crap.

Based on what Ralf said, sure, if FC still exists, I would book a trip, it is like going to the Casino, you know the House always wins, but I don't know, it's exciting. And yes, anything is better then dating or marrying an american woman......I am willing to swim to Buenos Aires, if given the option of Dating/marrying an american woman or swim in shark infested waters. I was married and then got divorced, luckily I have no kids owe no money, but I am sick of american women.

Also the Jim's list is very helpful.....

The CC website has been down for 4 days now right? Do any of you have the telephone number to call them up at their New York Office to see what the F*ck is going on????


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Hi Uljoh

Very interesting letter you got, and I got a very similar one from Valentina several weeks back when I voiced a similar suspicion to her. The same words and thoughts were not used, but the same hurt and angry tone was.

If your girl in Valentina #7548, could please let me know? If you do not want to post it here, send it to dadepfan@desautel.net

Thanks,



quote:Originally posted by uljoh

Hello guys,

Ive been reading this since last Wednesday. I have only been corresponding with one lady on CC, since late September 2006. More than 170 letters, including both mine and hers. I had that "1 lady - unlimited emails" - option. Sometimes, we even wrote 4 letters the same day.
I got letters from 14 other ladies, but I never answered them, even if all were beautiful.
The lady, is one of those beeing talked about here. But at the moment I have no wish to say who she was.
Nevertheless I can tell you I emailed her on Thursday, after the CC-server went down temporary for some hours, Wednesday evening. I told her about what I had read here. And I quoted some of it.
Before this I felt we had a very serious connection : ) Honestly.
As I have been scammed before, I though I knew about all trix.
Anyway, here is what she replied:

"Hello _______!
I even don?t know what to start my letter with. You know I went to the agency on my wings to write a letter to you though I am not feeling very well. You know, I was speechless for some time. I can?t believe in what you have written in your letter. It was a real shock for me! And the biggest shock for me was that you believe in all those dirty things which turned out to be written about me! I have never heard about it before and I even don?t know what to tell you. If you don?t trust me and think that I am going to cheat you, there is nothing for us to do then. I am an honest person. I sent you my photos and the photos of my family because I trusted you though you are a complete stranger for me! There were some men who wrote to me but I refused to correspond because they wanted serious relationships and I had you for it. The only one thing I could accept is to be pen friends. And I don?t know any ______!!! Are you sure it was going about me there? I think everyone who can see my photos and my name with ______ can write all that nonsense! I am sure if there is someone who doesn?t like you can write somewhere that ________ is a sexual maniac or something! Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the internet and it is very hard for me to imagine all those things, you were talking about in your letter. So I say if I saw something of the kind written about you, I would never believe it! Now the question of trust comes! We planned the meeting and I am not sure now that it is reasonable to meet with a man who doesn?t trust me. Do you see the point?
I am waiting for your explanations.
_______"

So, you see, how she reacted!
I answered that letter, including more details about what was going on in here, for her to see last Thursday.

The information from CC, said on Friday:
"________ has received your letter and promised to answer in the nearest future"

But, after all the interpreter left the agency, (not scam interpreters) - the site went down later same Friday eve. after all local officies war closed.

One from the Support was also very helpful about the lady?s responce and said she would try to talk with her.

That was one hour before "close down"
Im sure this lady is real, but I dont know what is going on behind.
Very few things could make me doubt her. As I am sensitive about these things since before, I for sure had my antennas up.

/ uljoh






David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 09:40 PM
Hi Michael

That's not the answer I wanted to here! LOL! But thanks for telling me. It is very disappointing, but we cannot hide from reality! For a while there I was hoping that her letters were true and honest. I wonder if this is a result of these girls "hedging on their bets" or just plain fraud? (The dream dies hard!).

By the way to everyone - the new CC website is located at http://www.ualadys.com/ and it is up and running.

Anyway back to Valentina Michael - I'd be curious to know how old you are and where you live. If you want to send that privately, send it to dadepfan@desautel.net.

Thanks


quote:Originally posted by michaelhile

Hi Dave,
I forgot to add, my last letter from Valentina was 1/04/07. Until the site went down I was getting letters back from her almost daily. I have kept a copy of almost every letter she sent, but with the site down, there is no way to copy and paste her letters to this site.
Michael


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 09:43 PM
Site is now up at Http://www.ualadys.com/



quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Dublin, I doubt that SS is gone forever, although CC surely is. If they do suddenly appear, you'll have to make a video of your hat eating ceremony. More likely, they'll use their same stock photos for a new scam... could "Valentina" become an "Iveta"? I'm sure!

I posted my Lyudmila S. #4001 "private photo session" here http://prometheus.myphotoalbum.com/ and would like to know if anyone else paid for these same photos or not, since she seems to have been "seriously involved" with so many! ;)


David A Desautel

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 09:45 PM
Here's the info on ualady.com from WHO IS. ualady.com doesn't appear to work, but the site of the owner, uaprincess.com does. See any familiar faces on this one?

Registrant:
KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER
1625 Garland LN N
Plymouth, MN 55447-2726
US

Domain Name: UALADY.COM

Administrative Contact:
KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER ak@uaprincess.com
1625 Garland LN N
Plymouth, MN 55447-2726
US
501-641 6372 fax: 501-641 6372

Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC. customerservice@networksolutions.com
13861 Sunrise Valley Drive
Herndon, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 19-Sep-2009.
Record created on 19-Sep-2003.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2007 17:32:44 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.ADDR.COM 38.113.244.55
NS2.ADDR.COM 38.113.244.196

Gumby
01-08-2007, 09:59 PM
Hi Silver,

You will know Valyusha by many means:
1. she does not speak or write English
2. she writes in long paragraph form, like only two per email
3. she is highly philosophical with her ideas and questions

To me, your letter certainly does not look like it came from her.

Regards,

Gumby

siberianhusky
01-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Hey Prometheus, my email or for anyone who wants to email me is lexiematsi@yahoo.com I would like to talk with the admin about everything if he wishes too that is so email me at any time

Thanks, Siberian

quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Siberian, I found Stella's pictures. Email me if you want to compare notes.


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Hey Prometheus,

The Stella I have been talking to is from Simferopol and she is 24 yrs old has brown hair but now it is blonde, has a younger sister and works as a lawyer for a car company but who knows now since the other two girls are very famous on here so it is hard to say if she is a fraud or not, that is why I am asking if anyone else knows more about her or have had the same experiences as I did.

I have heard of other agencies that are very good now but I am a little hesitant to go forth and try them out, anyone have any good info other agencies that are legit.

Thanks

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Dublin, I'll let you hedge on the hat eating, since CC did not reappear under its old name. Can I say "UALADYS.COM IS A SCAM!!!!", for the sake of future Googler's???

I did find the angry note from Lyudmila S. #4001 sent on Nov. 28, 2005, for all of you guys who are planning travel to Zhitomir see "her," (whoever "her" really is)...

Dear [],

First of all, let me thank you for your letter. It was nice to hear from you at least something. I was astonished at first after reading you. How do you know that we can be only pen pals with you? We even didn't meet each other! Maybe we should meet first and then we will decide whether we have a future together or not? How can you give so easily again? Remember, you have already done that and then you had regrets towards that. I don't look at you as at my pen pal and I began thinking of you like about my possible future husband! Should I forget you now? Do you see me only as a pen pal? I don't need someone just to write to - I need a person to share my feelings and thoughts with, a person I could possibly share my life with later - my life and life of my daughter. And it is painful for me to see that you stopped being interested in me suddenly. I even don't see any reason why you could come to such a weird conclusion. Maybe you just lost al the interest in me because of something? So, could you tell me the reason? I don't understand your decision, []. I hope I have a right to hear at least some explanation from you.

dadepfan
01-08-2007, 10:06 PM
OK guys, perhaps we should get serious about this. It has been very disappointing looking for a future partner, except with Valentina on CC. Now it appears that she has also gotten serious with at least one other man, and recently. This could be nothing by someone hedging their bets to keep possibilities open, or it could be complete fraud.

Valentina has recently told me that she was no longer interested in other men. She said:"I have not approached any other men. Yes, I have been approached, but I have not taken the first step other than with you." That seems to not have been completely true.

Let me respond to some of the criticism I've seen here regarding older men and younger ladies. I am 59 years old, and I chose Valentina for two reasons. First, she was not a teenager (she is 34), and second she is a Widow (I lost my third wife last November). I've always been younger than my age in terms of mental, emotional, and physical maturity. I still want to be sexually active, but there is no way I can have lust for someone my age. Not my decision, not my choice, and not my fault. Luckily a lot of younger women are attracted to the maturity, stability, honesty, and integrity of an older man.

So, what are we going to do about this mess?? I suggest that if ANYONE reading this forum has a tried and tested legitimate site for meeting Russian or Asian women (I'm also interested in Asian women), that they POST the site here!

I also suggest that EVERY poster who is corresponding with a woman on any of these sites include the name and number of that woman in every post. That way, anyone coming here for some validation can at least find others who are talking with the same woman, and maybe get some information (either through a post, or personal email).

I am an honest 59-year old man who has not made a lot of good relationship choices in the past. I was married 3 times, and the only good choice was my third wife, who died after 15 years of marriage. I'm an honest decent man who wants a partner on an EQUAL basis, with love, sharing, and a joining of spirits as the goal.

We need to help each other here, post all the info we have, try and figure ways we can locate and contact these women OUTSIDE of these "agencies!"

What do ya think?

Dave
Currently talking with Valentina B on ualadys.com (#7540)


David A Desautel

helskar
01-08-2007, 10:09 PM
www.ualadys.com does actually work,I just logged in... No pics but everything is there and some of the design changed
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Here's the info on ualady.com from WHO IS. ualady.com doesn't appear to work, but the site of the owner, uaprincess.com does. See any familiar faces on this one?

Registrant:
KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER
1625 Garland LN N
Plymouth, MN 55447-2726
US

Domain Name: UALADY.COM

Administrative Contact:
KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER ak@uaprincess.com
1625 Garland LN N
Plymouth, MN 55447-2726
US
501-641 6372 fax: 501-641 6372

Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC. customerservice@networksolutions.com
13861 Sunrise Valley Drive
Herndon, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 19-Sep-2009.
Record created on 19-Sep-2003.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2007 17:32:44 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.ADDR.COM 38.113.244.55
NS2.ADDR.COM 38.113.244.196

siberianhusky
01-08-2007, 10:15 PM
Yes ualadys is working, I just used my sign in from CC and I got right on to read all my letters from the girls that I have been talking to so if you do not know this log onto your account with the username and login that you had from CC and you will se for yourself, that is if you haven't done it yet!!!!! Here is a letter from Valyusha B. that I just received today.....


The letter was translated for Valyusha by Diana


Hi, dear Anthony!

I am so glad that you feel refreshed after holidays. ;) Well, I am fine as well - I do feel like all the troubles are left in 2006. ;)

So, today is the last day before the Christmas Eve. I am waiting with impatience for the mystery Christmas brings. Well, tomorrow I am going to gather with my close people, my family and sit around the table talking and eating. ;) Well, we are not allowed to eat anything fat and rich tomorrow ? that is why it is always not easy to invent something to cook which would be both tasty and Lenten. So, it is going to be meager dinner and I will think today what to cook. Besides, there should be 12 lenten dishes including drinks (Jesus Christ had 12 apostles). Well, last time my mom helped me to cook but this time I want to do everything by myself. ;)

Well, now our entrance door doesn?t close ? kids go from the door to the door and sing ?kolyadki? (special Christmas songs). So, they sing and then they throw some seeds to the floor ? it is some symbol of fertility and wealth in the house. Then the hosts of the house give those kids candies or money. They say, such kids who sing songs bring happiness to the house ? so it is not allowed to prevent them from singing if they want to do that.

And it is not allowed to drink alcohol this holy evening ? they say that one would spend the whole year like he spent Christmas ? so the atmosphere between people gathering at the table should be peaceful and friendly. ;)

Well, I am looking forward for Christmas and now I should go ? I want to drop to the market to buy some food for the holiday. I wish you good luck! Hug you!

Sincerely, Valyusha


Now tell me, how many received this same or somewhat same email? ;)

Siberian

Prometheus
01-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Cut and paste correspondence from CC now UALADYS.COM. See any you recognize?

you are right - friends shouldn't be concerned with money. THough very often people need troubles with money and first people who could help - are friends. By the way what do you think about it? I like the words Epicurus, who said that "Of all the things which provides to make us entirely happy, much the greatest is the possession of friendship...". A friend is someone who knows the song in your heart, and can sing it back to you when you have forgotten the words. A friend is someone who reaches for your hand, but touches your heart... Do you have many friends? We have the saying that it is better to have "100 friends than 100 rubles". Do you believe in it? As for me - I think that we can have a great number of friends, but only few of them are true friends, best friends. Best friends are like rainbows, they are bright, beautiful, and you feel a smile when they appear...My best friend is the one who brings out the best in me. Can you say the same about your best friend? What is a good friend for you? Because for me - a good friend is the one I can count on, as well as being so much more. A friend is someone with whom we can relax and just hang out, have fun and share our innermost thoughts - deep dark secrets, lofty and noble goals, or our hopes, joys, and fears. My best friend allows me a safe space to share my deepest thoughts and needs without worry. Can you say the same about yourself?

By the way I thought of some questions for you. I?m very interested in your answers, dear. Do you have a desire sometimes to be someone else? What are you proud of the most in your life? Are you satisfied with the place where you are living now? Have you many close people that you can rely on? What is the person who is the most interesting for you in your life? I?m really very interesting in your answers, dear. ;) And I do hope that you will reply me as soon as you can. ;)

You know, dear, I want to share some of my thoughts with you today. When I went to bed yesterday I had really many thoughts in my mind, I thought of living in another country, about my life, about possible changes? I?ve understood that I?m tired to go with the stream of life and I feel that it is time to change something completely! But there is always some ?but?? it is frightful to make the first step in uncertainty? Well, may be I would be more secure financially if I lived in another country but I?m afraid of homesickness and to be around of people that speak another language? It is nice when a woman has her beloved man in a foreign country and she can always rely on him. But in spite of it I had some fears yesterday? It is difficult to explain everything that is in my mind. It is a mixed feeling. When you want something very strong and you are afraid of it at the same time. I hope you are not tired of my rambling. ;-( But I think it is quite natural to be afraid of changes in life. Do you agree or not? You know I?m used to live in my country in spite of many difficulties here. So as you see my thoughts are just mixed up! I think I have to prepare myself for changes and I should overcome my fear of uncertainty. But well, I will not bore you any more with my thoughts. I?ll be looking forward to receiving your next letter. Have a nice day, dear!

I know another joke about fishing. " A man phones home from his office and says to his wife, "I have the chance to go fishing for a week. It's the opportunity of a lifetime. I have to leave right away. Pack my clothes, my fishing equipment, and especially my blue silk pajamas. I'll be home in an hour to pick them up." The man rushes home to grab everything. He hugs his wife, apologizes for the short notice, and then hurries off. A week later, the man returns and his wife asks, "Did you have a good trip, dear?" The man replies, "Yep, the fishing was great... but you forgot to pack my blue silk pajamas." His wife smiles and says, "Oh, no I didn't... I put them in your tackle box!

Do you want one more situation for brainstorming? You are driving in your car on the worst night of the year. It is raining and blowing and is just terrible outside. You can barely see out your window when you drive up slowly by a bus stop. You see your best friend that you've had since the first year of school. You also see a little old lady who is sick and the rain is making her worse. The third person you see is the woman of your dreams. When your eyes meet, it is instant love. You see in her eyes your soul mate and the person you have waited for all your life. There is a problem though. You can only fit 2 people in your car. What will you do? If you don't take the old lady she may get sicker and die. If you don't take your friend he may never speak to you again and as we both know, true friends are hard to find. if you don't take the woman of your dreams, you may never see her again and will have missed your one chance for perfect and true love. What will you do, dear []... what will you do?

want to write you something interesting too. I just recollected a puzzle I have heard several days ago from my doctor. He tried to raise my spirits up for me to feel better. ;) This is a real psychological test (used a lot by psychiatrists) to know if you've got an assassin mentality: A lot of serial killers have answered correctly to the question!!! Also it's better if your answer is wrong. If yours friends find the good answer, go away :)) Here is the story and after the question - and please answer quickly for the successful of this test: ? It?s the story of a young woman. At the mother's funeral, she looks at an unknown young man. For her, he's fantastic; it's the man of her dream indeed! She?s in love of him very much. Some days after, this young woman kill her own sister." The question is : what is the reason of this murder? :)

I am glad that you have a nice fall day today. Though we have the oppsite here. It is a very wet and foggy morning and I could hardly get up from the warm bed. Besides, I saw such a wonderful dream at night ? I saw beautiful mountains and blue streams running everywhere. And I stayed on the top of the mountain and had such a feeling that I could fly if I just wanted. And guess what? ;) I flied finally! Do you think I keep growing up? They say, if a person flies in the dreams ? he is growing up. ;) Do you think it is true? I wouldn?t like to be higher ? I like myself as I am now. ;) By the way, I think that to like people you should like yourself first of all. Do you agree? If a person doesn?t respect himself, how can he respect others?

Do you believe in the essence of auto-suggestion? We want to be in love so much that we fall in love with the concept of love and project it onto a fantasy, usually something exotic like a foreigner. We tend to idealize them. And I thought you just idealized me! It?s easy to imagine they have all the attributes we desire because we are not physically with them. Sometimes the fantasy bubble is burst when they actually meet. Other times their fantasies meld into reality. So it is possible for fantasies to sometimes come true! ;))) The advantage of the internet communication, like we are using, is that we slowly become acquainted with each other. I think over time, it is possible to fall in love. Do you agree? Actually, the internet has made possible situations that would have never occurred otherwise. Think about us, for example. If we were to pass on the street somewhere, your country or mine, what would be the likelihood of us meeting, talking and developing a relationship?

I ask myself if it is a passing fancy or the real thing. Psychiatrists say if you don't ask, you may be heading for trouble. There are many kinds of love -- divine love, brotherly love, puppy love, sentimental love, mature love. And the kind which excites the fancy of most men and women, romantic love, has many faces. Love, moreover, affects different people in different ways. How you love depends on whether you are a man or woman. Age, emotional stability, and character also influence the development of love. Is it possible, then, to distinguish between sentimental love and mature love? To man and a woman, both look and feel the same: You think about the person all the time. You wait for the sound of his or her voice; you mark the best of everything to share with the other person. You are frightened when you see strain in their face. You mark time by when you last saw him or her. You never tire of hearing that person talk. You are dashed by his failures and glow with her successes. All of these could be sure-fire signs of love or nothing more than misguided infatuation. If you are more interested in being loved than in loving, you are probably not at the point of wanting mature love that is distinguished by the need and desire to reciprocate. Infatuation is where the individual falls in love with a fantasy of his own making.

You seem to know traditions of many countries! You are so popular among slavic women! ;) By the way, there are plenty of strange customs all over the world. I heard that a woman can kill her cheating husband but only with her bare hands. He can use what ever he wants. There is an Asian island country where the mother of a daughter pays a man to have sex with her virgin daughter because a virgin can not marry. I think men like that job :)) A man can have sex with an animal as long as it is a female. It is ridiculous. ;)

In the Norse religion when a king dies they send a virgin with him to the afterlife. Of course they get her drunk first and six men have sex with her first. Egyptian royalty was sent of with sometimes many women and male slaves. Along with horses and dogs. ;( Native Americans when they died their woman would cut their hair and chop off a finger in mourning for them. All these things people did with honour. There are a lot of things that go on in this world that we don't know of. Pretty cool I think:-)) And all I want is a man that would love me as strong as I love!!!!! What a world:-)) Who is to say who is right and who is wrong?

I feel myself a bit dizzy. I had a rather nice Saturday ? I met my friends and we had a great rest in the park ? the weather was great and it was pleasant just to walk. But yesterday I went shopping and spent the whole day doing that. It was something terrible! I ran around the entire city and wasn?t able to find anything I wanted! All the clothes seemed to be so similar in all the shop and I wanted to find something noone would have. ;) Well, I was so upset and my head was aching and I came home so exhausted! And then I just lied in my bed all the evening and didn?t have a wish to do anything. ;) But I think yesterday was just not my day ? I hope I will be more lucky to find what I am looking the next time. ;) How much time do you usually spend for shopping? Does it take much time for you? I know that men think all the women are crazy when it concerns shopping ? they think women are able to browse through the goods the whole day and even night if it would be possible. But I am not one of them ? I am down when I spend much time shopping. ;)

Well, people are strange! They do many weord things it it is concerned love! Well, today I read a strange fact about how many women are inexplicably attracted to bad men! The more notorious the criminal, the larger his following of women! They are almost like pop star groupies! The article said that the worst and more famous the male criminal is, the more letters and visits he gets from women while in prison. Women will even line up and wait in lines just to visit them! So, why are so many women attracted to bad men? They say such men are thought to be more thrilling, exciting, and dangerous and this makes them more interesting and attractive to women, both sexually and emotionally. One idea is that some women want to reform or tame a bad man, so they like the challenge. Another idea is that bad men are perceived by women as more fun to be around because they are risk takers. They are seen by women as more adventurous, dark, mysterious, and edgy and they like this. Maybe "bad" men are just more charismatic on average? In contrast, nice men are simply good guys and seen by women as more plain, boring, more predictable, and stodgy!! By the way, I heard an expression that nice guys finish last. Maybe you could explain it to me? Do you think that nice guys finish last?

As for love - I would prefer to love than be loved. it is a wonderful feeling though it brings pain very often. But I hope love will never make us suffer. It reminds me of an old Lakota Indian legend about an Indian warrior who met the woman of his dreams while trading supplies with another tribe. They instantly fell in love. He was able to spend most of the summer together with her. When he went back to his tribe, he was saddened to learn that he could not marry her because his tribe had already arranged the wife for him. When he went to tell his beloved, he learned that her tribe had done likewise and she was to marry someone else. They were both very sad. They both married the persons selected for them and lived honorable, happy lives but there was still an emptiness in their hearts for each other even though they did not talk about it. Both of their spouses were aware of this situation. I think it was twenty-five years later that the wife of the Indian warrior contacted the other couple and spoke with them. They arranged for the two couples to get together for a hunting trip. The two lovers had not seen each other for many years and they were very happy to see each other again. Their spouses then gave them a surprise. They said that they have been honorable and perfect partners but they were not their true love. They released them from their wedding vows and told them to go to their true love. They were very surprised and very happy!

I could go on and on... but you get the point.

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 10:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by dadepfan

Hello everyone.

I just called the CC New York office, and they told me the problem was that they were changing hosts, and an unexpected technical problem occurred. They say that they will be at a new address (ualady.com), which is partially up now, and should be back fully functional tomorrow.

They also said that they sent letters to all members about this, but I did not verify if that was email or snail mail. I also cannot connect with ualady.com.

So, is this all BS as well? Why would they even answer the phone if they were going out of business??

Anyway, here is the number 1-201-984-3158. Everyone give them a call and report here what you learn!

Dave

[quote]Originally posted by Jackspades

Siber,

Yes you and I are similar, I am not some old guy, I am 31, good looking guy, the evidence for Fiancess Connections (FC) being a sham is not as overwhelming as Confidential connections. The girls I talk to at FC, I know are real, when I wrote to the Ukrainians it was all bull****, you could tell it was crap.

Based on what Ralf said, sure, if FC still exists, I would book a trip, it is like going to the Casino, you know the House always wins, but I don't know, it's exciting. And yes, anything is better then dating or marrying an american woman......I am willing to swim to Buenos Aires, if given the option of Dating/marrying an american woman or swim in shark infested waters. I was married and then got divorced, luckily I have no kids owe no money, but I am sick of american women.

Also the Jim's list is very helpful.....

The CC website has been down for 4 days now right? Do any of you have the telephone number to call them up at their New York Office to see what the F*ck is going on????

Dave. Well done.
I called them too, but did you realise that phone number gets redirected to Ukraine. I asked the guys name and he said it was EIMA. I then asked his second name but he would not give it. ! I insisted and eventually he gave it as: MEROVENI. Obviously spelt wrongly. !
:) He told me the same as he told you, but I think its all bull**t.
When you change a hosting company you do it properly, and you don't allow so much revenue to get lost. Why change the hosting company anyway. ? If it was absolutely essential to move then you put a notice on the site to that effect ! And, why change the name ? Surely the CC name is of paramount importance. ! Unless you have so many chasing you for money that you are forced to change it. ? Here is the 'whois' listing for UALady.com
KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER ** 1625 Garland LN N Plymouth, MN 55447-2726 US Domain Name: UALADY.COM Administrative Contact : KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER ** ak@uaprincess.com 1625 Garland LN N Plymouth, MN 55447-2726 US Phone: 501-641 6372 Fax: 501-641 6372 Technical Contact : Network Solutions, LLC. customerservice@networksolutions.com 13861 Sunrise Valley Drive Herndon, VA 20171.
You will note the use of 'uaprincess' above so the Whois listing for this is as follows:
info@uaprincess.com
Mikhajlivska street 24 b, office 80a
01001 Kiev, Ukraine
Office +38 044 278 83 63, +38044 496 0257
Mobile +38067 508 8669info@uaprincess.com
Mikhajlivska street 24 b, office 80a
01001 Kiev, Ukraine
Office +38 044 278 83 63, +38044 496 0257
Mobile +38067 508 8669
I checked UAPrincess and it does actually exist, although that means nothing as it might be totally unrelated to CC.
So, CC is not going back up, and is being replaced by UALady, tomorrow
!! :) It will be interesting to see if it does, but I have grave doubts. !

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 10:31 PM
Seems like you guys beat me to it. !!!
Sorry for the post. ! I was investigating and came back here only to find I was too late. ! :(

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

siberianhusky
01-08-2007, 10:32 PM
Hey dublindevil

I have just sent them an email in their support tickets and asked them why would they not have notified respectable clients that they were moving sites or changing names so it will be interesting to see what their answer will be after all we all know why!!!!

Now I can get to all my letters and save them to my comp.........

Siberian

wxman2001
01-08-2007, 10:42 PM
Sounds like this forum and confidentialconnections.net has caused CC to change to ualadys.com. I bet if confidentialconnections.net changed it's web address to ualadys.net the .com site will all of a sudden have more problems and then a new .com site. ualadys is distancing themselves from their previous name as quickly as they can. They are trying to stop the bleeding from the shot it took here and elsewhere. I have discovered if you go to www.confidentialconnections.com you will get a login screen and nothing else.

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 10:42 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Prometheus

Dublin, I'll let you hedge on the hat eating, since CC did not reappear under its old name. Can I say "UALADYS.COM IS A SCAM!!!!", for the sake of future Googler's???

Maybe you will allow me to put it into cold storage ?:D (The hat) !
I am convinced I will need it at some time, so rather than it get smelly if its kept nice and cool it might still be edible. ! :(

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 11:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by wxman2001

Sounds like this forum and confidentialconnections.net has caused CC to change to ualadys.com. I bet if confidentialconnections.net changed it's web address to ualadys.net the .com site will all of a sudden have more problems and then a new .com site. ualadys is distancing themselves from their previous name as quickly as they can. They are trying to stop the bleeding from the shot it took here and elsewhere. I have discovered if you go to www.confidentialconnections.com you will get a login screen and nothing else.

Have just registered: ualadys.net !:D

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

siberianhusky
01-08-2007, 11:10 PM
Way to go dublin, let us see if they run for damage control again :)

By the way I have a question for you dublin. What is the best way to save all my letters from my girls that I receieve? Right now I have been cut and pasting to my microsoft word program but is there an easier way?

Siberian

Silver
01-08-2007, 11:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by Gumby

Hi Silver,

You will know Valyusha by many means:
1. she does not speak or write English
2. she writes in long paragraph form, like only two per email
3. she is highly philosophical with her ideas and questions

To me, your letter certainly does not look like it came from her.

Regards,

Gumby


well Gumby there are some details that you did not think about it...

first...
I found her in another site so, she has another translator...

second...
she gave me the phone number of her translator...in her first reply...
and since she agree to meet me in person that means this Valyusha has nothing to hide...

anyway if some of you are still interested in get her phone number...
look for her in a russian site where you can send the first letter for free...

best regards...

dublindevil
01-08-2007, 11:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Way to go dublin, let us see if they run for damage control again :)

By the way I have a question for you dublin. What is the best way to save all my letters from my girls that I receieve? Right now I have been cut and pasting to my microsoft word program but is there an easier way?

Siberian

Siberian.
I never really thought about how to download the letters, I just did what I always do and used Gadwin Systems 'Print Screen'. Its a great program. Cutting and pasting is ok too, but 'print screen' gives you an exact replica of the page. I just press 'F1' and the screen is there ready to save. ! :D
I hope to have ualadys.net up within a few days.[:p]

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

siberianhusky
01-08-2007, 11:51 PM
Thanks dublin, much appreciated :) I just want to save everything so that if we can sue them we have as many documents as possible.

By the way why would anyone want Valyusha's phone number after all she might be a real person but she will have no clue who you are so I believe it will be a waste of time even trying to contact her through any other site that is also a fraud, obviously if she is on it, it is.

Should I save all the emails that I have sent to all the ladies as well?


quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Way to go dublin, let us see if they run for damage control again :)

By the way I have a question for you dublin. What is the best way to save all my letters from my girls that I receieve? Right now I have been cut and pasting to my microsoft word program but is there an easier way?

Siberian

Siberian.
I never really thought about how to download the letters, I just did what I always do and used Gadwin Systems 'Print Screen'. Its a great program. Cutting and pasting is ok too, but 'print screen' gives you an exact replica of the page. I just press 'F1' and the screen is there ready to save. ! :D
I hope to have ualadys.net up within a few days.[:p]

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

siberianhusky
01-09-2007, 12:08 AM
New mail from usladys.com, just received it now so read on......


Dear _______!
First of all we congratulate you with a Happy New Year and a Merry Christmas!

On this wonderful holiday, we are happy to inform you, that as of December 31,2006 Confidential Connections (and all its branches) have passed to a new management company IISPP INC and a new owner, IISPP INC

We have worked hard for 24 hours a day to make all the necessary changes to the sites and all the systems and we are glad to announce to you that the new sites ARE RUNNING ALREADY and you can freely use all our services now! New re-branding name of the site is UAladys.com

We at IISPP INC being a team of professionals, having a great experience, set a mission to raise quality of our customer's service.

We bring our deepest apologies for the temporal break in the former site's operation. Working day and night, our team has transferred all the old owner's databases to our new servers. It will substantively raise the quality and speed of the site!

We guarantee that all payments are restored in the full value that you paid. The whole correspondence, photo and video materials, and also condition of your private accounts on the site are remaining intact and you are able to continue communication with the ladies when you wish!

We have notified all ladies in advance about temporal break of correspondence. Please don't worry, ladies know about the reason of letters delay and are waiting for your return!

We ask you to accept 1 photo and 1 video credit to your profile as a gift from the new management company when you log in.

_______, if you have personal propositions, remarks or suggestions regarding making our work better and more qualitative we will accept your opinion with the high attention and respect and will certainly take it into account while planning the new work strategy. You can pass a remark on our site in Support section.

We hope for the successful collaboration with you in the future. We will do everything possible to help you in finding your soul mate.

Sincerely and wish best wishes,


THOMAS MCKEVENY , GENERAL MANAGER IISPP INC
IISPP INC. 153 LAFAYETTE STREET FIFTH FLOOR NEW YORK CITY, NY 10013
212 614 0100

nicklish57
01-09-2007, 12:24 AM
I have been reading this site for a little over a week now. I was getting sick to my stomach. In Aprile I have a trip to Ukraine and I will be making other arrangements now. All the girls that have been named I have written to. Elena with her vacation photos, I told her I would visit and then I was told it would be a bad time for her.. They know we cant changes plans and if you could they would give another excuse. I have recently written garbage 0957hsb4ysb in a letter and it is replied to with loving words and a thank you for the letter. Valyusha from Zhimaph or what ever the hell it is call just west of Kiev writes beautiful letters to many of us. Valentina And Polina Never anser a question that is asked.. Maybe the service is wising up now and will read the letters so they can send back something to keep us happy. I could sit hear and paste all the letter and I thank you for doing that on this site but it is so obvious this company is a scam. AS QUESTIONS IN ALL YOUR LETTERS THAT REQUIRE SPECIFIC ANSWERS if you still have some faith in this company. fact is they felt the heat and it was hitting the pocketbook so they changed the names thinking a search would not yeild this site. Unfortunately google is here and we are smarter. Come back every once in a while and and the words UALADY UALADY.COM UALADY.NET confidentialconnections INTERNATIONAL MARRIAGE AGENCY.
I dont want to write any more now.
I will say this. there may be some real girls but do you want to fly 6000 miles to find that out. I would demand a telephone number after some correspondece. there is no reason they cant do this. and the crap about them not haveing phones is BS. You can get many service to translate for you on the phone.
I had enough.
Ni Excuse me for not spell checking!

michaelhile
01-09-2007, 01:34 AM
Here we go guys,
Same story different day. CC is up at different site.David here is the last letter I got from Valentina dated Jan 5Hi my darling!!


Thank you so much for your letter!!
My sweet I am getting ready for our Christmas and tomorrow we will make a divination with my Polina:) Who knows maybe the fate will show me you in the water:)? OUR Christmas Day is the most beautiful and at the same time mysterous holiday.

I will make a divination at the midnight:) it is a beautiful tradition and even custom to some extent, so I hope that my fate will show me you in image of water:) Please do not be afraid I am not a witch or something like this I am just ordinary woman:)


So I will be waiting fr surprises anmd miracle:) What do you think is it possible? Does it exist?


I search high, I search low,


I search the world while on the go,


It's true love that I seek


and the search of the world is where I will peek,


There are no boundries when looking for love


because happiness is the true life goal for all above.


I think of you everyday I could never forget about you, you know, it's impossible to ask the sun to leave the sky, it's just impossible, it's impossible to ask a baby not to cry it's just impossible. Can the ocean keep from rushing to the shore? If I had you could I ever ask for more oh how impossible? And the second that I never think of you, that truly would be impossible. You are always on my mind, day and night, and I truly mean that sweetheart, I really do.


Watching yesterday by television and when you see the many people who has lost their lives because of drunken driving, the many who has lost their lives because of fighting and killing each other, I feel lucky to be alive. My heart went out to the many who could not celebrate because there was no money, the poor who has no home. God in His word said, ?count your many blessings name them one by one and it will surprise you to see what God has done."


Yesterday I went to the super market with Polina to buy a few things, on my way out of the store stood a lady who was collecting funds for disabled children. She asked if I had any change in my pockets. I told her that I would be back. When I got back to her from putting the packets in the car, I took out my wallet and gave her more than what she asked for. The look for gratitude filled eyes and in my heart I felt so good, I know that in my small way I would have made a little girl happy:)


My darling I will be waiting for your reply, your Val


You have hello from Polina:)

I am going to reply discreetly. I have been cautious, but even more nowadys. I will keep you posted as to outcome
Michael















Are you sure you want to delete the the letter from the lady Valentina
Yes | | No






Subject:

Free of Charge:

Thank you for your letter. I refuse replying because of some reasons.

Please receive my gratitude for your mail but I would like to refuse replying.

I was very glad to get your letter. But I can't reply because of some reasons.

I can't answer your mail because of some reasons. Thank you very much for your interest.

Thank you for your letter, unfortunately I can't reply at this time, I'll try to reply some time later.

I appreciate your interest, but I am involved with someone and can not answer now.


Sorry.

Please wait...

michaelhile
01-09-2007, 01:41 AM
Hello David,
I posted on the website also. I am 52 years old and live in Hillsboro, OR. I race jetskis in the spring and summer. Look for the older guy showing the youngsters how it is done. Feel free to contact me anytime. Like I have said, I have been at this awhile and will not give up. Having spent some time in Ukraine, I am convinced my future is there somewhere. I became pretty discouraged with most of the women I have met here for the past few years. It was a trip to Europe a few years agro that convinced me to change my priorities. I have family in Germany and it was a younger brother who told me "once you have gone european you will never go back" I have attached one of the pictures I have of Valentina just to make sure we are on the same page.
Michael Hile

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 02:51 AM
Hi Dublin

Yes, it sure smells like rotten fish, but I am determined to see it through until reality kicks my butt. I am not naive, and I am not spending tons of money. I've been "online" since the dial-up Bulletin Board days, and I've seen scams by the thousands.

[:0]

Then why will I continue for a while? I'm not totally convinced that this outfit is 100% completely a Fraud. I AM 100% convinced that there are very shady things going on. But is nothing here legit? Not even some of the girls? No chance at all?

The course of my conversations with Valentina have followed a course that so far only points to a strong possibility that she is, at the very least, fibbing a little to keep her options open. I have done a little of that myself. I've only found one other person so far that she has been corresponding with, she is not one of the oft-mentioned girls here, and the content of her letters does not fit any of the conversations posted above.

So, Yes I am extremely suspicious, and intend to find out what is what, but I am not ready yet to completely give up the ship.

[:I]

By the way, before I started on CC about three months ago, I did an extensive search of organizations like Better Business Bureau, ect, and could find NO listings on Confidential Connections. But then - maybe that is why they like to change their name.

But in this forum, we should all be helpful as possible, and not scornful or insulting to the men who post here (I'm not accusing anyone). Let's use the vast resources of the Internet to accomplish the following:

1) Find out the truth
2) Help ourselves and others here accomplish what we want
3) List the legitimate sites we have found
4) Monitor and report abuses as we find them

:)


quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by dadepfan

Hello everyone.

I just called the CC New York office, and they told me the problem was that they were changing hosts, and an unexpected technical problem occurred. They say that they will be at a new address (ualady.com), which is partially up now, and should be back fully functional tomorrow.

They also said that they sent letters to all members about this, but I did not verify if that was email or snail mail. I also cannot connect with ualady.com.

So, is this all BS as well? Why would they even answer the phone if they were going out of business??

Anyway, here is the number 1-201-984-3158. Everyone give them a call and report here what you learn!

Dave

[quote]Originally posted by Jackspades

Siber,

Yes you and I are similar, I am not some old guy, I am 31, good looking guy, the evidence for Fiancess Connections (FC) being a sham is not as overwhelming as Confidential connections. The girls I talk to at FC, I know are real, when I wrote to the Ukrainians it was all bull****, you could tell it was crap.

Based on what Ralf said, sure, if FC still exists, I would book a trip, it is like going to the Casino, you know the House always wins, but I don't know, it's exciting. And yes, anything is better then dating or marrying an american woman......I am willing to swim to Buenos Aires, if given the option of Dating/marrying an american woman or swim in shark infested waters. I was married and then got divorced, luckily I have no kids owe no money, but I am sick of american women.

Also the Jim's list is very helpful.....

The CC website has been down for 4 days now right? Do any of you have the telephone number to call them up at their New York Office to see what the F*ck is going on????

Dave. Well done.
I called them too, but did you realise that phone number gets redirected to Ukraine. I asked the guys name and he said it was EIMA. I then asked his second name but he would not give it. ! I insisted and eventually he gave it as: MEROVENI. Obviously spelt wrongly. !
:) He told me the same as he told you, but I think its all bull**t.
When you change a hosting company you do it properly, and you don't allow so much revenue to get lost. Why change the hosting company anyway. ? If it was absolutely essential to move then you put a notice on the site to that effect ! And, why change the name ? Surely the CC name is of paramount importance. ! Unless you have so many chasing you for money that you are forced to change it. ? Here is the 'whois' listing for UALady.com
KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER ** 1625 Garland LN N Plymouth, MN 55447-2726 US Domain Name: UALADY.COM Administrative Contact : KHAVRUK, ALEXANDER ** ak@uaprincess.com 1625 Garland LN N Plymouth, MN 55447-2726 US Phone: 501-641 6372 Fax: 501-641 6372 Technical Contact : Network Solutions, LLC. customerservice@networksolutions.com 13861 Sunrise Valley Drive Herndon, VA 20171.
You will note the use of 'uaprincess' above so the Whois listing for this is as follows:
info@uaprincess.com
Mikhajlivska street 24 b, office 80a
01001 Kiev, Ukraine
Office +38 044 278 83 63, +38044 496 0257
Mobile +38067 508 8669info@uaprincess.com
Mikhajlivska street 24 b, office 80a
01001 Kiev, Ukraine
Office +38 044 278 83 63, +38044 496 0257
Mobile +38067 508 8669
I checked UAPrincess and it does actually exist, although that means nothing as it might be totally unrelated to CC.
So, CC is not going back up, and is being replaced by UALady, tomorrow
!! :) It will be interesting to see if it does, but I have grave doubts. !

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 02:53 AM
They said they did send emails, and I actually did receive one from the new name, but not until today


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Hey dublindevil

I have just sent them an email in their support tickets and asked them why would they not have notified respectable clients that they were moving sites or changing names so it will be interesting to see what their answer will be after all we all know why!!!!

Now I can get to all my letters and save them to my comp.........

Siberian


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 02:55 AM
If they are as smart as I think they are, they will have already reserved ualadys.net, .org, .biz, and . everythin g else.


quote:Originally posted by wxman2001

Sounds like this forum and confidentialconnections.net has caused CC to change to ualadys.com. I bet if confidentialconnections.net changed it's web address to ualadys.net the .com site will all of a sudden have more problems and then a new .com site. ualadys is distancing themselves from their previous name as quickly as they can. They are trying to stop the bleeding from the shot it took here and elsewhere. I have discovered if you go to www.confidentialconnections.com you will get a login screen and nothing else.


David A Desautel

siberianhusky
01-09-2007, 03:41 AM
Hey Dave,

Well yes they told you after the fact so to me it is horrible managing skills within the company. You would think a company that thrives on excellence would make an email and send it out to all their clients at once before you change names or sites, just like when a site goes under construction they make a new page so you are routed to a messege board telling you they are making improvements and so on.

It is good that you called to find out and they told you but to give clients a little heads up before shutting your whole site down would have been nice.

This is why I like this forum because we can learn from each other and make better decisions in the future.

Siberian


quote:Originally posted by dadepfan

They said they did send emails, and I actually did receive one from the new name, but not until today


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Hey dublindevil

I have just sent them an email in their support tickets and asked them why would they not have notified respectable clients that they were moving sites or changing names so it will be interesting to see what their answer will be after all we all know why!!!!

Now I can get to all my letters and save them to my comp.........

Siberian


David A Desautel

newduke
01-09-2007, 03:51 AM
Hi Prometheus,

I viewed your pictures of Lyudmila 4001 and that is definately her. I have never seen them before but then I never paid CC for a photo session with her. I had asked her twice to send a few pics of herself. At first nothing, then about 1 and 1/2 months ago Lyuda or whomever, tried to lead me to believe the new photos of her (posted about 6 weeks ago) were intended for me. yeah right.

I can see why you dropped her, with all crap you got, duplicate letters, and implications that you were the one for her.

Well, whoever wrote and managed letters to me did an EXCELLENT job because they were very convincing. They never made duplication mistakes and answered 90 percent of my questions in letters over 17 months!

Now that I know the new website of CC I can finally respond to her last letter to me of Jan 5. And unlike others CC has never sent me an email informing me of the change. Nice touch.

I am going to play this out for a while and see how she or the ghost writer responds to more probing questions. Maybe I will ask her about the lingerie you sent her :D

newduke
01-09-2007, 04:02 AM
quote:Originally posted by michaelhile

Hello David,
I posted on the website also. I am 52 years old and live in Hillsboro, OR. I race jetskis in the spring and summer. Look for the older guy showing the youngsters how it is done. Feel free to contact me anytime. Like I have said, I have been at this awhile and will not give up. Having spent some time in Ukraine, I am convinced my future is there somewhere. I became pretty discouraged with most of the women I have met here for the past few years. It was a trip to Europe a few years agro that convinced me to change my priorities. I have family in Germany and it was a younger brother who told me "once you have gone european you will never go back" I have attached one of the pictures I have of Valentina just to make sure we are on the same page.
Michael Hile



Hi Michael,

I see you are from Oregon. Well I am from Corvallis, Oregon, so it's a small world. :) If you don't mind I would like to know what agency in Odessa you are using and seem comfortable with. I have tickets to go to Kiev in March, but since CC is a bust, I need a PLAN B, ASAP. Please email me directly, if the email link on this website forum actually works. I have written a couple folks on this forum, but they have not responded, so maybe it doesn't work.
I am not that much younger than you and maybe we can talk. I went to Russia 3 years ago, but it didn't work out. This time I thought I would try Ukraine, but I blew it by using CC. I still feel like going to Ukraine in March but I just need to write a few gals quickly and visit them. What the heck.

please reply. Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Duke

Ralf S.
01-09-2007, 09:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by dadepfan


Then why will I continue for a while? I'm not totally convinced that this outfit is 100% completely a Fraud. I AM 100% convinced that there are very shady things going on. But is nothing here legit? Not even some of the girls? No chance at all?


Fellas, I've been using CC for so long that they gave me a "Lifetime achievement award". ;)

I've seen only a few things that looked fishy. I never tried writing gibberish, to see what comes back .. but a girl I wrote to in Simferopol didn't reply to very many of my letters as if she had read them. I may send her a load of garbled words just to see if she thanks me for "my wonderful letter". ;) Anyway, I gave up on her.

But I also wrote to a girl in Odesa for a while and she replied to most points in every letter. I had no reason to doubt her at all. I met her, she knew all about me, we talked (as well as we could) and we generally got on well. We didn't "click" (same as may happen when you go out with a local girl) but if we had, I have no doubt I'd have been out of the blocks. I'm comfortable with Odesa branch.

I'm currently writing to another girl. Same story.. she DOES read my letters. Okay, she replies and then adds a bit of generic waffle but I'd go to see her on the strength of what I feel about her (being genuine or not).

My view is that each office and each girl is different. I heard of several managers who have been sacked, so there's a load of "off piste" activity going on, I'm sure.

I also had girls taking me outside the CC services, using their friend as interpreter, offering "unofficial" accomodation and so on. My opinion is that manager and girls alike in many cases are using CC to add on some "perks" for themselves. That doesn't mean 100% that you're out of pocket (my apartment in ... was cheaper than the CC hotel.

It's depressing to read all these stories though... it seems that CC or UALADYS (UALADIES, surely!?!) is not very well run or controlled and either deliberately or as a consequence, there is too much scope for dishonesty.

Just be sensible and stay alert fellas. Don't trust them too much and don't believe what they write TOO much. But don't give up either.


Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun

siberianhusky
01-09-2007, 10:54 AM
Hey Ralf

Do you remember the girls name you talked to in Simferopol? I would appreciate the info you have on her because I too am talking to a girl there from that branch and wish to know if it is the same woman. Thanks

Siberian


quote:Originally posted by Ralf S.


quote:Originally posted by dadepfan


Then why will I continue for a while? I'm not totally convinced that this outfit is 100% completely a Fraud. I AM 100% convinced that there are very shady things going on. But is nothing here legit? Not even some of the girls? No chance at all?


Fellas, I've been using CC for so long that they gave me a "Lifetime achievement award". ;)

I've seen only a few things that looked fishy. I never tried writing gibberish, to see what comes back .. but a girl I wrote to in Simferopol didn't reply to very many of my letters as if she had read them. I may send her a load of garbled words just to see if she thanks me for "my wonderful letter". ;) Anyway, I gave up on her.

But I also wrote to a girl in Odesa for a while and she replied to most points in every letter. I had no reason to doubt her at all. I met her, she knew all about me, we talked (as well as we could) and we generally got on well. We didn't "click" (same as may happen when you go out with a local girl) but if we had, I have no doubt I'd have been out of the blocks. I'm comfortable with Odesa branch.

I'm currently writing to another girl. Same story.. she DOES read my letters. Okay, she replies and then adds a bit of generic waffle but I'd go to see her on the strength of what I feel about her (being genuine or not).

My view is that each office and each girl is different. I heard of several managers who have been sacked, so there's a load of "off piste" activity going on, I'm sure.

I also had girls taking me outside the CC services, using their friend as interpreter, offering "unofficial" accomodation and so on. My opinion is that manager and girls alike in many cases are using CC to add on some "perks" for themselves. That doesn't mean 100% that you're out of pocket (my apartment in ... was cheaper than the CC hotel.

It's depressing to read all these stories though... it seems that CC or UALADYS (UALADIES, surely!?!) is not very well run or controlled and either deliberately or as a consequence, there is too much scope for dishonesty.

Just be sensible and stay alert fellas. Don't trust them too much and don't believe what they write TOO much. But don't give up either.


Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun

snakehandler
01-09-2007, 11:15 AM
Hello, i have read all of your stories and yes some of it is true.
Like fake emails which i have received and sometimes where double posted to me. On the other hand i had some sriuos conversations with girls i have never met though. Some girls refused to meet me with a strange excuse as if their mother had died recently or so. (in Ukrain).
Anyway i went on a holiday to Buenos Aires and met a woman from there.
She was kinda busy and not like the person i corresponded with.
But letters don't always show the real person. we had dinner but it didnt click so we parted and i had a nice holiday in Patagonia, the Andes and Bolivia. I liked south america and the office people where very helpfull.
Maybe i picked the wrong girl. But yeah internet dating is tricky what would you expect? But in a way it still cheaper than normal dating, haha.
Anyway, i want to go on another trip down there and maybe meet someone else but it will not be my main goal. I just like to travel around.
Preferably with a woman though if it clicks.

dublindevil
01-09-2007, 12:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by dadepfan

If they are as smart as I think they are, they will have already reserved ualadys.net, .org, .biz, and . everythin g else.


quote:Originally posted by wxman2001

Sounds like this forum and confidentialconnections.net has caused CC to change to ualadys.com. I bet if confidentialconnections.net changed it's web address to ualadys.net the .com site will all of a sudden have more problems and then a new .com site. ualadys is distancing themselves from their previous name as quickly as they can. They are trying to stop the bleeding from the shot it took here and elsewhere. I have discovered if you go to www.confidentialconnections.com you will get a login screen and nothing else.



David A Desautel


Well they are obviously not smart, or maybe just plain stupid. As I said earlier I have already registered ualadys.net and hope to complete the site shortly. I don't know how they can sign up for a domain with incorrect spelling. ! Lady's all over the world is written 'ladies'. ! :)
However just a short line or two for all you guys. I agree with what was said earlier about all of us keeping together and helping each other, but for god's sake 'dont spend any more money' !! They are still out and out crooks, and the obvious reason for their disappearance was not to 'sell the business' but to avoid 'debtors' and to avoid all the bad publicity and try to move away from that web site CC dot.net. After all there were probably loads of people ending up on dot.net instead of dot.com ! I will go and check the 'stats' for the dot.net site and report back here.
If all the guys go back to spending more money then all our efforts will have been in vain and Ladys.com will return again to making loads of money. ! Lets show them we mean business. All the stuff I read here about some girls being genuine, and some letters appearing genuine is complete 'crap'. Guys going to Ukraine and being 'disappointed' with their girl or 'a' girl is just further proof of the scam. Has ANYBODY been to Ukraine and met any 'real' women away from CC or any agency ?
Just normal and everyday women going about their business and not looking for a husband ? These woman are so unlike the agency women they should be at other ends of the planet. There are two types of women in Ukraine. Those genuine women who are the majority, and the agency women who are almost 100 % into scams, and employed by the agency to make money for them both. I know both types and believe me they 'are' worlds apart. ! I don't know if anyone visited those two sites I recommended 'tverangels' and 'datingnmore' but if anyone did they would have seen the glaring differences between a good decent and honest site and CC and Ladys. !!

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

Jackspades
01-09-2007, 03:24 PM
Snakehandler can you tell me details about your trip, please give me an email, as I am planning to go to Buenos Aires in the Spring, tell me how the hotel was, what plan you picked, how many girls you went with, please give me an idea. Thanks.




quote:Originally posted by snakehandler

Hello, i have read all of your stories and yes some of it is true.
Like fake emails which i have received and sometimes where double posted to me. On the other hand i had some sriuos conversations with girls i have never met though. Some girls refused to meet me with a strange excuse as if their mother had died recently or so. (in Ukrain).
Anyway i went on a holiday to Buenos Aires and met a woman from there.
She was kinda busy and not like the person i corresponded with.
But letters don't always show the real person. we had dinner but it didnt click so we parted and i had a nice holiday in Patagonia, the Andes and Bolivia. I liked south america and the office people where very helpfull.
Maybe i picked the wrong girl. But yeah internet dating is tricky what would you expect? But in a way it still cheaper than normal dating, haha.
Anyway, i want to go on another trip down there and maybe meet someone else but it will not be my main goal. I just like to travel around.
Preferably with a woman though if it clicks.

Prometheus
01-09-2007, 03:34 PM
Dublin,

"It takes a wise man to learn from his own mistakes, but it takes a GENIUS to learn from the mistakes of others."

It is obvious that some posters are so "in love" with a relationship and a person that exists only in their mind, that they are going to keep putting quarters in the slot no matter what.

As said so ably by one of the letter writing cons at CC (who has far more experience with jerking men's emotions off than I do):

Do you believe in the essence of auto-suggestion? We want to be in love so much that we fall in love with the concept of love and project it onto a fantasy, usually something exotic like a foreigner. We tend to idealize them. And I thought you just idealized me! It?s easy to imagine they have all the attributes we desire because we are not physically with them.
I want to thank everyone, because when I cut it off with CC on 28 Nov 2006, I was plagued with doubts about my decision. "Perhaps she is sincere, maybe she is real, maybe it is the translators fault," etc., etc. Now I have hard evidence that my darling was planning three trips with three other men while professing undying devotion to me alone. And I still haven't learned who "Jeff" is! (The name she included in a cut and paste letter that started my serious self examination).

Anyway. Amazing this site is free. Considering that tens of thousands we have flushed down the confidential connections toilet, you should charge for the info here. Invaluable! Good luck everybody! I'll light a candle for you to come to your senses.

Oh, and UALADYS.COM IS A SCAM

Ralf S.
01-09-2007, 03:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Hey Ralf

Do you remember the girls name you talked to in Simferopol? I would appreciate the info you have on her because I too am talking to a girl there from that branch and wish to know if it is the same woman. Thanks



Hello 'Huskey.

I'd be wary of any girl whose name starts with a G. She's the cutest girl on the planet, so you'll know if it's her. ;)

Generally I found her replies very flowery and philosophical... she rarely answered any comments I made or questions I asked her and on a few occassions her letters were obviously recycled from men's letters to her (or to someone!).

Her style varied between letters and the gender inflexions she used were obviously (to a native English speaker) male-writing-to-female. I can't think of an example but it was really obvious.

When I wrote back saying "I don't want to read men's letters to you!" I expected her to be contrite or offended or apologetic. Instead she thanked me for a nice letter and went into some flowery philosophical discussion as if my letter had never happened.

I can't think it's always the girl. To be so monumentally careless suggests the branch is routinely just sending a stock reply to any letter that arrives. So, I'd be wary about Simferopol.

On the other hand Odesa was as real as it could be for me. I found a nice girl and did go to meet her. She knew all about me and what she talked about was consistent with her letters. She sent me extra photos of herself and it all checked out. If I sent her some flowers she thanked me for them two days later.

Okay, writing to and meeting me MIGHT have been part of her job but she seemed no different to any other first date. She WAS nervous when she turned up the first time and she did get a bit bashful during the evening. I'd hope (!) those are things that can't be faked! :o

I also met other girls who were rather blase and uninterested.. it seems to be a case of "know your foe". Don't get too gooey eyed to notice the warning signals (let's face it, she may genuinely just not fancy you) but however you manage it, try to meet them.

I can't say that CC is NOT just some money-making machine but there's no substitute for meeting the object of your desire. You CAN tell if you hit it off or not.. and if you don't, as I wrote before, at least you had a holiday somewhere interesting and spent time with a cute chick.

What I don't get is why women write to you (at least the office sends you "her" letters) but when you go to meet them (which they "look forward to with excitement") they just don't turn up? They DO exist (one girl turned up for 5 minutes.. dead nervous and then laft as quickly as she could!!) so why don't they hang about and at least go on a date? Anyone have any theories?

Ralf S.



No bullets for Chaingun

From Russia without Love
01-09-2007, 04:27 PM
Have you noticed the increased frequency of letters from woman since the new site went up?I've received 2 first time letters just now. I'm feeling so wanted and needed right now... or should I say my money is needed and wanted by the new scammers.

BS

Prometheus
01-09-2007, 05:25 PM
Compare the young lady at UALADYS.COM painting a picture here...

http://ualadys.com/engl/ladies.html

With the porn star modeling a dildo here...

http://www.magic-gallery.net/teenage-porn/index.html

CLASS ACT!

snakehandler
01-09-2007, 05:25 PM
to jackspades: i booked a cheap flight to Buenos Aires, found me a nice hotel on my own and went to the office on foot. There i met this lady.
Maybe i should have met more. But then again Buenos Aires is just filled with nice women. Must be something in the air. But i am not too sure about how real they get on that agency. I just can't put my finger on it.
Some girls seem sincere but you never know untill you meet them.
But anyway Buenos Aires and the landscape of south america and the girls there are definately worth a trip. So if you want to keep it cheap just book a flight and hotel on your own. And the restaurants and everything else are not expensive.

snakehandler
01-09-2007, 05:28 PM
to prometheus, that is an amazing similarity.

Prometheus
01-09-2007, 05:33 PM
Oh it's the same model. There's a bunch of stuff on-line about Salvesen having ties to prostitution and the porn industry, but I have yet to see any corroborating evidence. You can pull it up with Google.

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 07:50 PM
I believe that the girl I'm after, Valentina (with a daughter named Polina) is from Simferopol as well, but is in Moscow on business for several months. This makes the interpretations even harder, because Valentina has to call in to the Simferopol office to send and receive messages,

Let me know if either of you are talking with Valentina.

Dave


quote:Originally posted by siberianhusky

Hey Ralf

Do you remember the girls name you talked to in Simferopol? I would appreciate the info you have on her because I too am talking to a girl there from that branch and wish to know if it is the same woman. Thanks

Siberian


quote:Originally posted by Ralf S.


quote:Originally posted by dadepfan


Then why will I continue for a while? I'm not totally convinced that this outfit is 100% completely a Fraud. I AM 100% convinced that there are very shady things going on. But is nothing here legit? Not even some of the girls? No chance at all?


Fellas, I've been using CC for so long that they gave me a "Lifetime achievement award". ;)

I've seen only a few things that looked fishy. I never tried writing gibberish, to see what comes back .. but a girl I wrote to in Simferopol didn't reply to very many of my letters as if she had read them. I may send her a load of garbled words just to see if she thanks me for "my wonderful letter". ;) Anyway, I gave up on her.

But I also wrote to a girl in Odesa for a while and she replied to most points in every letter. I had no reason to doubt her at all. I met her, she knew all about me, we talked (as well as we could) and we generally got on well. We didn't "click" (same as may happen when you go out with a local girl) but if we had, I have no doubt I'd have been out of the blocks. I'm comfortable with Odesa branch.

I'm currently writing to another girl. Same story.. she DOES read my letters. Okay, she replies and then adds a bit of generic waffle but I'd go to see her on the strength of what I feel about her (being genuine or not).

My view is that each office and each girl is different. I heard of several managers who have been sacked, so there's a load of "off piste" activity going on, I'm sure.

I also had girls taking me outside the CC services, using their friend as interpreter, offering "unofficial" accomodation and so on. My opinion is that manager and girls alike in many cases are using CC to add on some "perks" for themselves. That doesn't mean 100% that you're out of pocket (my apartment in ... was cheaper than the CC hotel.

It's depressing to read all these stories though... it seems that CC or UALADYS (UALADIES, surely!?!) is not very well run or controlled and either deliberately or as a consequence, there is too much scope for dishonesty.

Just be sensible and stay alert fellas. Don't trust them too much and don't believe what they write TOO much. But don't give up either.


Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun



David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 07:53 PM
LOL! "ladies.com" is already taken


quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by dadepfan

If they are as smart as I think they are, they will have already reserved ualadys.net, .org, .biz, and . everythin g else.


quote:Originally posted by wxman2001

Sounds like this forum and confidentialconnections.net has caused CC to change to ualadys.com. I bet if confidentialconnections.net changed it's web address to ualadys.net the .com site will all of a sudden have more problems and then a new .com site. ualadys is distancing themselves from their previous name as quickly as they can. They are trying to stop the bleeding from the shot it took here and elsewhere. I have discovered if you go to www.confidentialconnections.com you will get a login screen and nothing else.



David A Desautel


Well they are obviously not smart, or maybe just plain stupid. As I said earlier I have already registered ualadys.net and hope to complete the site shortly. I don't know how they can sign up for a domain with incorrect spelling. ! Lady's all over the world is written 'ladies'. ! :)
However just a short line or two for all you guys. I agree with what was said earlier about all of us keeping together and helping each other, but for god's sake 'dont spend any more money' !! They are still out and out crooks, and the obvious reason for their disappearance was not to 'sell the business' but to avoid 'debtors' and to avoid all the bad publicity and try to move away from that web site CC dot.net. After all there were probably loads of people ending up on dot.net instead of dot.com ! I will go and check the 'stats' for the dot.net site and report back here.
If all the guys go back to spending more money then all our efforts will have been in vain and Ladys.com will return again to making loads of money. ! Lets show them we mean business. All the stuff I read here about some girls being genuine, and some letters appearing genuine is complete 'crap'. Guys going to Ukraine and being 'disappointed' with their girl or 'a' girl is just further proof of the scam. Has ANYBODY been to Ukraine and met any 'real' women away from CC or any agency ?
Just normal and everyday women going about their business and not looking for a husband ? These woman are so unlike the agency women they should be at other ends of the planet. There are two types of women in Ukraine. Those genuine women who are the majority, and the agency women who are almost 100 % into scams, and employed by the agency to make money for them both. I know both types and believe me they 'are' worlds apart. ! I don't know if anyone visited those two sites I recommended 'tverangels' and 'datingnmore' but if anyone did they would have seen the glaring differences between a good decent and honest site and CC and Ladys. !!

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 07:58 PM
Take it easy Bro

Not so in love that we are easy pickins, but willing to spend relatively small amounts to verify the truth, one way or the other. CC, now ualadys, is a site on the Internet, and thus as supicious as you can get. But then, the same could be said for this site!

Dave


quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Dublin,

"It takes a wise man to learn from his own mistakes, but it takes a GENIUS to learn from the mistakes of others."

It is obvious that some posters are so "in love" with a relationship and a person that exists only in their mind, that they are going to keep putting quarters in the slot no matter what.

As said so ably by one of the letter writing cons at CC (who has far more experience with jerking men's emotions off than I do):

Do you believe in the essence of auto-suggestion? We want to be in love so much that we fall in love with the concept of love and project it onto a fantasy, usually something exotic like a foreigner. We tend to idealize them. And I thought you just idealized me! It?s easy to imagine they have all the attributes we desire because we are not physically with them.
I want to thank everyone, because when I cut it off with CC on 28 Nov 2006, I was plagued with doubts about my decision. "Perhaps she is sincere, maybe she is real, maybe it is the translators fault," etc., etc. Now I have hard evidence that my darling was planning three trips with three other men while professing undying devotion to me alone. And I still haven't learned who "Jeff" is! (The name she included in a cut and paste letter that started my serious self examination).

Anyway. Amazing this site is free. Considering that tens of thousands we have flushed down the confidential connections toilet, you should charge for the info here. Invaluable! Good luck everybody! I'll light a candle for you to come to your senses.

Oh, and UALADYS.COM IS A SCAM


David A Desautel

dadepfan
01-09-2007, 08:01 PM
I have not received anything from Valentina yet, and I wrote last before the shut down. The site says "Lady has been informed and will respond later" next to each of my unanswered letters.

Dave


quote:Originally posted by From Russia without Love

Have you noticed the increased frequency of letters from woman since the new site went up?I've received 2 first time letters just now. I'm feeling so wanted and needed right now... or should I say my money is needed and wanted by the new scammers.

BS


David A Desautel

From Russia without Love
01-09-2007, 08:25 PM
It seems to me Simferopol is the most corrupt office. Aside from Valentina beware of Irina. There is also the story about giving charity to disabled children. Irina wrote this to me 10 days ago as a demonstration of her pre Christmas charity. I've also noticed Valentina is no longer on the Top 100 and does not appear on a Simferopol sort. She must be a covert scammer.

Does anyone have positive experience with Lutsk or Kremenchuk offices?

BSS

michaelhile
01-09-2007, 09:20 PM
Hello David,
To my surprise I got a letter from Valentina today. Below is a copy of the letter I sent and her respons. Either she did not get my letter and prior suspicions are confirmed (someone else the letters, etc,) Or she is ignoring my concerns
I write this letter with a great deal of caution, fear and some trepidation. Being the hopeless romantic, even when the evidence is overwhelming, I tend to always give the other person the benefit of doubt.
But when the CC website crashed I started to look around and found out there are a few other men who are under the impression that they are exclusive in regards to your letters and attention
They have said that you told them there were no other men you write to. You and I have talked about you writing to other men and I have never claimed exclusive rights to your attention.
But if you are telling other men they are the only one you are writing to, maybe I should search somewhere else for my future. As in the past I do not expect an answer. I am not even sure you will get this letter.
But I do know I am a better man for knowing you. And all of this reminds me of a few words by the poet John Greenleaf Whittier. ?For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.?
At this point in time I am ready to change my plans and go to Odessa instead of Simferopol. It would be uncomfortable for both of us if I showed up while you were seeing someone else.
I guess it will be up to you from here on out.

Hello from Moscow!:)
How are you babe? I see that you were thinking of me a lot:)
My dear I think that you know that On the 7th we have had a Christmas Day:) We had a lot of Fun with Polina!At the Eve we went to the Big theatre and there was a Christmas celebration performance...and I should tell you that it was amazing:)
my darling you have to know that one day I promise to you that one day we will go together there..of course if you wish:)
After that we were walking along the streets and I saw a lot of people who was begging for a help and money at that very moment I realized how lucky I am !! but I think that everything depends on people I think everyone must have a goal to achieve a for their future! My dear do you agree with me? Everything is under our control:) I do not respect those who do not want to do anything in their life but just complaining how difficult their lifev is:) Isn't it radiculous? I strongly believe that we are ctreators of our life and destiny.. I am really proud that I did everything myself, I remember that there were times when I was on the edge of frustration and I even was going to give up but there always were people who helped me a lot in my situations:)
I think it is very important to have such people in our life:)people who can be not our friends or just relatives but like psychiatrists for us!Of course it is really important to have our close people's love... you know actually love is an elusive emotion. Often people use the word love too freely. People say things like " I love chocolate" or "I love going to the seaside". I think use of the word like this is wrong. I think the proper usage is " I love you" or " I love my wife" or " I love her so much". But once true love is found it is like being in heaven or paradise. My life has been absent of love for a long time. It is time for me now to be in love again. This is why I ask for your help. I think we can attract each other and find paradise together. What do you think?
Love has its own language. It is so much more than words. It is actions. Although we do not speak the same language fluently right now, we can communicate in the language of love. The language of love is a simple touch, the way our hands fit together, or the way I would touch your shoulder or remove a hair from your forehead. The most expressive way to communicate in the language of love may be through a kiss. If a picture is worth 10,000 words, how many words is a kiss worth? I would say millions. Through a kiss we can communicate so much. We can say hello or good bye. We can say I love you or even more important a kiss can say I need you now, or make love to me now or I want to make love to you right now. A kiss is the most expressive communication in the language of love. I think we can both be expert communicators in the language of love. So here we are, on the eve of a new year and both of us are searching for a life partner. Maybe destiny has brought us together. I am not afraid to act on my New Years resolution. I am not afraid to act on this resolution with you. Perhaps you are not expecting to hear these words from me now, but a new year is approaching. It is time to begin a new year with an important goal. So I ask again, can you help me achieve my New Year resolution?
Well that what I was going to talk about with you:)
My Polina says hell to you and remember that we are thinking about with you:)
Kisses and hugs to you, your VAl

I am sure the rest of you guys will have your own comments and/or spins on this
Michael

tot446
01-09-2007, 09:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by Glimmertwin34

This is about Confidential Connections.

I have been in contact with several of the ladies there and it appears that many of their letters are canned responses. Some of them will start off with the begining (first paragraph) being some what personal to me, but then the rest of the letter will go into some story about something wonderful or dreamy.

I have also told them many times that I do not have a "weekend" because I am in the Army and in Iraq...yet, they still always ask what I will be doing "this weekend." That seems pretty unrealistic to me.

Has anyone been in contact with the following ladies:
#3229-Elena M
#4016-Daria P
#4232-Elena R
#3964-Svetlana S
#4287-Valyusha B.
#1586-Elena G (she is constantly #1 in the top 100)
#3859-Marina B

Also, has anyone ever gone there and actually seen what their operation consists of? I was thinking about going, but really do not want to waste my time if that is what it is.

If anyone has any information for me, please email me or post so that we can exchange information.

Thanks
glimmertwin


I am communicating with Elena R #4232 and i haven't experienced things like that. She writes every day and of course some minor details slips but she remembers what she writes and replies on every question and don't avoid anything.

From Russia without Love
01-09-2007, 09:48 PM
Attention:Michaelhile

On December 31 I wrote to Irina ( 7536 ) from the Simferopol office. Do the following words sound familiar???? Valentina or the translators in Simferopol have used my words many times. Usually my words to Valentina were repeated from Irina. I stopped writing to Valentina almost 60 days ago. Now I have stopped with Irina. The scammers have no imagination. They use the words of others to continue their scam. My letter to Irina follows:




Love has its own language. It is so much more than words. It is actions. Although we do not speak the same language fluently right now, we can communicate in the language of love. The language of love is a simple touch, the way our hands fit together, or the way I would touch your shoulder or remove a hair from your forehead. The most expressive way to communicate in the language of love may be through a kiss. If a picture is worth 10,000 words, how many words is a kiss worth? I would say millions. Through a kiss we can communicate so much. We can say hello or good bye. We can say I love you or even more important a kiss can say I need you now, or make love to me now or I want to make love to you right now. A kiss is the most expressive communication in the language of love. I think we can both be expert communicators in the language of love. So here we are, on the eve of a new year and both of us are searching for a life partner. Maybe destiny has brought us together. I am not afraid to act on my New Years resolution. I am not afraid to act on this resolution with you. Perhaps you are not expecting to hear these words from me now, but a new year is approaching. It is time to begin a new year with an important goal. So I ask again, can you help me achieve my New Year resolution?


The Simferopol office is the center of the scam. Be cautious of the women there. That's all I can say to anyone reading these postings. I've taken myself out of the game.



BSS

dublindevil
01-09-2007, 10:08 PM
I am sure the rest of you guys will have your own comments and/or spins on this
Michael
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I am sure you can't be serious. ? Thats one of the worst letters I have read so far. (from her). Darling this, darling that, etc.etc. It will take a very long time, and a meeting or few for a real genuine Ukraine girl to talk to you like that ! That was pure scam and a 'come on' to get you to keep paying. Hopefully you are going to drop her, and UALadys. ? I have known a girl in Ukraine for over two years (3 ?) and we have a terrific relationship, letters, sms, telephone chats, ICQ, but she would never write me a letter like that one you received. ! Its not in their nature, "unless" they are scamming someone. !

'Prometheus' said just about all that needs to be said. I agree with him completely. Its not about 'love' its all about a beautiful young girl writing to a man and making him think he is 'the' one. Its wonderful for his ego and makes his heart start thumping (as well as a few other parts too [:p]) Since time imemorial thats been the way of men, and it will not change, and thats the reason for the success of CC and UALadys and how they make their bucket loads of money. !
Good luck Guys, I am checking on UALadys but thats all, no letters, no replies, no nothing. I refuse to ever spend another cent. Incidently their rearranged site is pure crap. Web pages with screwed up text and unreadable stuff, and mistakes all over the place, and now pictures will not show up. ! They sure are a crap organisation.

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

helskar
01-09-2007, 11:13 PM
Hello everybody, did found this on GOOGLE: STEVEN SALVESON THE PIMP'S biography...!!!CC was founded by Steven Salvesen from New York. He came first to Kharkov back in 1998 (I think) through Ben Olivares and PSI Loveyou International. I did not have the agency them and was helping Ben.
From the beginning Steve was acting a bit strange, he did not meet any girls, he was touring around Kharkov, asking many questions. Then he visited Kharkov 2 or 3 times in 1999, became a porn star here. He was buying whores for 2-3 days, visited all possible strip joints. He lived only in KHARKOV hotel and got very bad reputation there, all prostitutes knew him...
Eventually in the beginning of year 2000, he came too me and offered to open an office here. He said that his office will deal mostly with night-time activites. I did not want to be a pimp and I said this to him. Then he said that I will deal only with marriage-minded people and he will find another person for other things. I agreed. I gave him our webdesigner, introduced him to the director of KHARKOV hotel (where he opened an office), taught him how to open a business here in Ukraine, used my discount card to purchase all the office equipment etc etc...
At last, he asked me to give him Natasha as a office manager (this girl was working for me through the whole 1999). He was paying her fixed salary and I should be getting the commission.
And they started forgetting me... did not call, did not write. From some girls I got information that Natasha and Steve are spreading bull****, etc etc.. Right now I don't know if they have customers or not, do they still make sex tours or they improved... Right now Natasha is in Moscow with her sick mother and business is run by her husband Victor.
I think if they try to keep a good reputation and avoid stupid Steve's ideas - they can give VERY good service, they have everything for this...But money comes from Steve and they do what he wants.!
This is a story in short version about CC. [/blue][/size=6]

michaelhile
01-09-2007, 11:30 PM
Hey Guys,
To start off I want to thank everyone on this site for the input and information that has been shared.Thank God I had the foresight not to invest too much, a few dollars and time, but nothing substantial. I knew enough going in not to buy unlimited emails or pics or put everything on one bet. Considering a lot of this is just a crap shoot, some common sense gambling skills come in handy.
After the last post with the identical letter I have withdrawn from CC, UA (which reminds me of urinalysis) and moving on. Thankfully I had not burned any bridges with a couple of ladies I am writing to in Odessa. With a sigh of relief and to be completely honest, not having to deal with all the B_______! from Simferopol I have a whole new outlook. I am going to Odessa next month. When I get back I will let you know how it went. In the meantime I will still continue to study the russian language and try to learn as much as possible. There are good, honest agencys in Ukraine. I highly recommend the one I am using in Odessa. Also I have found out from prior trips it is more economical and feasible to find and book your own lodging prior to going wherever you are going. Every apartment agency I have used provides free airport pickup and a lot of extra service. I have also found out that if the people in Ukraine see that you are trying to understand and learn, they will go out of their way to help. this includes everything from getting directions, to help in the stores.
thanks again
Michael Hile

dadepfan
01-10-2007, 04:40 AM
Hi Michael

I still got nothing from her - maybe she has made a choice? Is so, why not come out and explain to you what is going on?

Dave


quote:Originally posted by michaelhile

Hello David,
To my surprise I got a letter from Valentina today. Below is a copy of the letter I sent and her respons. Either she did not get my letter and prior suspicions are confirmed (someone else the letters, etc,) Or she is ignoring my concerns
I write this letter with a great deal of caution, fear and some trepidation. Being the hopeless romantic, even when the evidence is overwhelming, I tend to always give the other person the benefit of doubt.
But when the CC website crashed I started to look around and found out there are a few other men who are under the impression that they are exclusive in regards to your letters and attention
They have said that you told them there were no other men you write to. You and I have talked about you writing to other men and I have never claimed exclusive rights to your attention.
But if you are telling other men they are the only one you are writing to, maybe I should search somewhere else for my future. As in the past I do not expect an answer. I am not even sure you will get this letter.
But I do know I am a better man for knowing you. And all of this reminds me of a few words by the poet John Greenleaf Whittier. ?For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.?
At this point in time I am ready to change my plans and go to Odessa instead of Simferopol. It would be uncomfortable for both of us if I showed up while you were seeing someone else.
I guess it will be up to you from here on out.

Hello from Moscow!:)
How are you babe? I see that you were thinking of me a lot:)
My dear I think that you know that On the 7th we have had a Christmas Day:) We had a lot of Fun with Polina!At the Eve we went to the Big theatre and there was a Christmas celebration performance...and I should tell you that it was amazing:)
my darling you have to know that one day I promise to you that one day we will go together there..of course if you wish:)
After that we were walking along the streets and I saw a lot of people who was begging for a help and money at that very moment I realized how lucky I am !! but I think that everything depends on people I think everyone must have a goal to achieve a for their future! My dear do you agree with me? Everything is under our control:) I do not respect those who do not want to do anything in their life but just complaining how difficult their lifev is:) Isn't it radiculous? I strongly believe that we are ctreators of our life and destiny.. I am really proud that I did everything myself, I remember that there were times when I was on the edge of frustration and I even was going to give up but there always were people who helped me a lot in my situations:)
I think it is very important to have such people in our life:)people who can be not our friends or just relatives but like psychiatrists for us!Of course it is really important to have our close people's love... you know actually love is an elusive emotion. Often people use the word love too freely. People say things like " I love chocolate" or "I love going to the seaside". I think use of the word like this is wrong. I think the proper usage is " I love you" or " I love my wife" or " I love her so much". But once true love is found it is like being in heaven or paradise. My life has been absent of love for a long time. It is time for me now to be in love again. This is why I ask for your help. I think we can attract each other and find paradise together. What do you think?
Love has its own language. It is so much more than words. It is actions. Although we do not speak the same language fluently right now, we can communicate in the language of love. The language of love is a simple touch, the way our hands fit together, or the way I would touch your shoulder or remove a hair from your forehead. The most expressive way to communicate in the language of love may be through a kiss. If a picture is worth 10,000 words, how many words is a kiss worth? I would say millions. Through a kiss we can communicate so much. We can say hello or good bye. We can say I love you or even more important a kiss can say I need you now, or make love to me now or I want to make love to you right now. A kiss is the most expressive communication in the language of love. I think we can both be expert communicators in the language of love. So here we are, on the eve of a new year and both of us are searching for a life partner. Maybe destiny has brought us together. I am not afraid to act on my New Years resolution. I am not afraid to act on this resolution with you. Perhaps you are not expecting to hear these words from me now, but a new year is approaching. It is time to begin a new year with an important goal. So I ask again, can you help me achieve my New Year resolution?
Well that what I was going to talk about with you:)
My Polina says hell to you and remember that we are thinking about with you:)
Kisses and hugs to you, your VAl

I am sure the rest of you guys will have your own comments and/or spins on this
Michael


David A Desautel

Jackspades
01-10-2007, 04:54 AM
Okay, first I must say I love you guys! Second I find it funny how everyone is referring to CC URLAdys as going to a casino in vegas, knowing full well, that the house always wins! You guys are all using my analogy. You stole my analogy!:D

Second, I must say that, since I am still young, and good looking etc., the girls on these websites I Can get in the USA, in fact I flirt with 3-4 girls a week...I do not ask them out, because I can not stand their attitude, has nothing to do with how beautiful they are. Well, actually today, I did ask one of them out, and I am sure she could be on one of these websites.

Also, When I was in New York City for NEw Years, I was at a Bar, and met an Argentinian woman, and got her info, and she is going to hook me up with her friends in Buenos Aires, she already gave me the email of one of her friends. So I am not using the Agency to book a trip to Buenos Aires. I am going to meet chicks on on my own....however, I would like to meet 4-5 of the girls I have written to.

Snakehandler: HOW MUCH DID THE AGENCY CHARGE TO MEET A GIRL WITHOUT BOOKING THE TRIP!!!???? How many did you meet? What do you mean by them not being real??? Do you think the girls are being paid to go on dates? Which office did you go to and did the give you any hassles because you did not book a trip with them? I have noticed that alot of the girls in the Buenos Aires office are "ACtresses or in theatre", so I am thinking they just pay them to be actresses to the guys. I know the whole thing is a scam, but I want to go to their office and meet some of the chicks there, maybe some of the intepreters, I think it will be amusing, and funny!!! [:o)] I blew probably a $1000 on them, so what am I going to do, I might as well laugh at the gag and have fun with it. [8D] I will toss them money to meet the girls, because it will be amusing. The whole thing is an entertaining joke, you pay money to be entertained.

BUT, I will say this, I think what is going on in the Ukraine branch is REALLY REALLY BAD!!! I think the Ukraine branch is worse than the Buenos aires branch. I think while the Argentine branch is amusing and is like a prank joke, the Ukraine branch is a full on ass raping. [}:)]

So I think you guys are all right, there are problems with THE WHOLE COMPANY regardless of the branch...the problems are just different and unique depending on the branch, the office, etc.....all symptoms of a poorly run greedy company, that could make so much more money if they actually ran their company legitimately. It is sad for everyone involved. I said this before, I will say it, again, those Ukrainian women are amazing, my god, just looking at pictures, and the quality of women they are.....it is so sad that it is so difficult to get over there and legitimately find one that is not a prostitute/whore, or a scammer, through some service. So so difficult. I am going to stick with the latin ladies.


quote:Originally posted by snakehandler

to jackspades: i booked a cheap flight to Buenos Aires, found me a nice hotel on my own and went to the office on foot. There i met this lady.
Maybe i should have met more. But then again Buenos Aires is just filled with nice women. Must be something in the air. But i am not too sure about how real they get on that agency. I just can't put my finger on it.
Some girls seem sincere but you never know untill you meet them.
But anyway Buenos Aires and the landscape of south america and the girls there are definately worth a trip. So if you want to keep it cheap just book a flight and hotel on your own. And the restaurants and everything else are not expensive.

Jackspades
01-10-2007, 05:23 AM
I had another comment to make to somebody here who was all upset because one of his Ukraine girls that were writing to him, are writing to others. First of all, if you can write to others, so can she. Double standard anyone? Second of all, she does not know you, she has not met you, it is in her best interest, given this is not a money whore translator writing you, to write to as many men as she can. IF it is a money whore translator, then it is in their best interest to get more money! I have news to inform you of, YOU ARE NOT A SPECIAL AND UNIQUE SNOWFLAKE!!!!! :o)] You could marry a girl in the united states and she can be a professional, and go to work, and cheat on you with her boss, or whatever...most of the time, girls are dating multiple guys here, everything is a gamble, the way you hedge your bets like ALL OF THE GUYS HERE HAVE ACCURATELY MENTIONED, is that YOU MUST HAVE MULTIPLE PLATES SPINNING!!!!! A minimum of 3 plates spinning, with 5 being preferred. If you can do that, you "got game".

Ralf S.
01-10-2007, 06:55 AM
quote:Originally posted by From Russia without Love


Does anyone have positive experience with Lutsk or Kremenchuk offices?



Dude, I'm the expert! ;)

I was in Lutsk. The girl I had been writing to there showed up for 5 minutes, was dead nervous and then "had to go". I never saw her again and the office staff didn't bat an eyelid, like it was normal for a fella to come 2000 miles and be blanked.

Having said that, I did meet some other ladies that I hadn't written to at all and they seemed genuine and interested. Of course, I was a bit confused/gutted that my "intended" had gone all weird on me, so I wasn't in the mind to get romantic with someone else but I could have done. The other girls were definitely there to meet me, like a date.

As far as "corrupt offices" go, have you noticed that the "Top 100" seems to be made up of about 20 girls each from Kharkov, Simferopol, Poltava and Zhitomir? Yes, they ARE cute but it also suggests those branches do a better job of getting men to view the ladies profiles. Odessa, Sumy, Kremenchuk.. etc. hardly get a look in, so maybe they're more pukka.

Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun

Kevin
01-10-2007, 10:36 AM
I found this forum after I haven't been able to log into CC after a couple of days thinking it was because of the holidays in Ukraine. So I did a google search Monday and found this and find this topic very interesting and woundering if I'm also being scamed by CC. I just got an email Jan 9-07 explaining that it is under new management company and new owner called: IISPP INC.

This girl first contacted me on single-russian-woman.com She wrote me once there. I became a member of CC I think about the same time as the other site. She wrote to me explaining her friend left who translate the letters. I never recieved an email from CC telling me I got a letter from her. I only found out when another girl sent me a message. But anyway that was begining Febuary 06, so it has been almost a year of contact with her spending almost $1,000 over that time.

She seems to answer my points in the emails I sent to her. Since I am at work when she writes to me I have recorded the webcams by a program to my computer and pretty sure it is her answering them. I have 3 recordings, and have noticed she is wearing the same thing in two and the other she keeps her jacket on.

One more thing: I recieved an email from lady 1866 on Nov 8 06 and replied that I was not interested a week and some time later. Then I recieve another email from her Dec 23 06 just wanting to congratulate me with Christmas and knowleging that she knew I was not interested. Has anyone gotten something like this?

The girl I've been talking to for almost a year is Daria S. #4252. I have seen her in the top 100 twice but near the end like 98th place just yesterday. Any one else talk to her over the last year???? CC has mistaken once by sending me an email telling me I got an email from this girl and sent me her last name as well. I also have her rambler.ru email address and sent her an email (Jan 8 07) tranlated into Russian by a program called "@promt." Have not gotten a response yet.

If anyone wants to see the webcams I have recorded or if you have talked to her please let me know. I can also post the email that I just recieved from UALADYS.com I would be happy to share anything you would like to I can offer.

I don't what what else to say right now so I will see what kind of responses I get from this forum from you guys.

snakehandler
01-10-2007, 10:38 AM
to jackspades, i only met one girl and it cost me fifty dollars.
She was different than i expected her to be. Not much time, busy, expecting me to spend a lot of money on her. But i am not that type of guy. i travel with a backpack and am used to cheap cozy restaurants.
So yeah she wasn't very romantic but more economic. Although she showed interest in leaving Buenos Aires but not a romantic basis.
The office people where kinda polite and allright although they seemed kinda stupid. oh welll i only spend i few dollars on them.
After that i had a very nice time with the locals in Argentina for a month.

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 10:59 AM
If anyone wants to see the webcams I have recorded or if you have talked to her please let me know. I can also post the email that I just recieved from UALADYS.com I would be happy to share anything you would like to I can offer.

I don't what what else to say right now so I will see what kind of responses I get from this forum from you guys.
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Kevin, how did you get her email address. ?? I am very intrigued. Also CC sent you here surname by mistake. ! That was a massive mistake. Have never heard of anyone getting a surname and an email address. You must be 'unique'. ? :D

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 11:13 AM
Anyone corresponded with this girl ? Natalia S. #4964 or this one. ? Yulia B. #7016. I would be very interested to know. ?

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

Prometheus
01-10-2007, 02:03 PM
Jack,

I'm the guy who "was all upset one of his Ukraine girls that were writing to him, are writing to others." I think you missed the point.

I corresponded with Lyudmila S. #4001 for three very long periods over a 3.5 year period of time. She was not "one of my Ukraine girls." We (or me and whoever was writing these letters) were talking marriage, obtaining a fiance visa during my visit, etc. I stopped writing to her on two prior occassions because of inconsistent and incomplete answers to my letters, and each time she wrote me back saying "she" missed me and "she" wanted to resume communications.

I'm not a "plate spinner." I am a successful and very busy professional. I was lied to, as Lyuda was planning three other "visits" from people that have posted here, at the same time she was telling me that I was the ONLY person she corresponded with. I feel extremely used, because my mind and emotions were ass ****ed for the money I spent at CC.

I was arrogant about my own youth, so I am in no place to judge you. I suggest that you are in no place to judge me either.

imported_uljoh
01-10-2007, 02:32 PM
Hello folks,

I think I got an interesting thing for you, from the place where "ualadys" is hosted.
(http://www.erahosting.net/whoisdomen.php)

It says:

Domain Name: UALADYS.COM
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET
Whois Server: whois.aitdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.aitdomains.com
Name Server: NS04.MCCOLO.COM
Name Server: NS05.MCCOLO.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jan-2007
Creation Date: 27-sep-2006
Expiration Date: 27-sep-2007

Did you notice this name was registrated 27-sep-2006 ?
So, they didnt buy this name recently.

What was in their mind back then?

/ uljoh

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 04:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by uljoh

Hello folks,

I think I got an interesting thing for you, from the place where "ualadys" is hosted.
(http://www.erahosting.net/whoisdomen.php)

It says:

Domain Name: UALADYS.COM
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET
Whois Server: whois.aitdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.aitdomains.com
Name Server: NS04.MCCOLO.COM
Name Server: NS05.MCCOLO.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jan-2007
Creation Date: 27-sep-2006
Expiration Date: 27-sep-2007

Did you notice this name was registrated 27-sep-2006 ?
So, they didnt buy this name recently.

What was in their mind back then?

/ uljoh

Well done. Where did you find that site. ? Do you read russian ? The site is in russian. I didn't notice any English section. ?
It would appear the move was planned from Sept 06 in which case why were we not told. ?? Anyway, its all pretty relative now, I am no longer using them and I hope nobody else is either. ?

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 04:17 PM
I was arrogant about my own youth, so I am in no place to judge you. I suggest that you are in no place to judge me either.

[/quote]

Steady on Guys. ! :) We should be using all our energy to fight UALady, not fight amongst ourselves. 'Gloves off' :D We are 'all' pretty upset at what has been revealed, but I think its also a 'wake up' call to us all, not to be so stupid in future and proceed with our heads and not our 'b****'. ! [:I]

<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

nomorescam
01-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Hi guys

Well I have been reading this topic for the last couple of weeks and thought it was time for me to tell you what I am currently doing.

I have been using CC/UALADYS for a short time and have been speaking to three ladies one of which seemed very genuine. But I started to notice inconsistencies with the other two.
With my own findings and after reading so many similar stories on this forum I felt something had to be done.

My cousin is an international lawyer and it was time to see what he could do for me. Needles to say he is all over this like a rash. He started to look into what can be done legally should we be able to find proof that this business is not being run legitimately. And it is good news legally.

We have been in contact with a broadcasting company who have told us they will be willing to help if we can come up with a strong enough case. We have booked flights to Ukraine, followed by New York and will be on our way soon.
I think I have also found that CC is in operation through another agency (not ualadys.com) and that is still online and working. We are now on there case. I?m not saying they are CC as we can?t prove it but we have found some good evidence. If it does turn out to be them it?s going to be huge and the broadcasting company will love it. I will post that agency here should it be CC.

I noticed a few people on here would like legal action to take place. We will be happy to help and would appreciate any help you may be able to offer us.

If anyone from CC would happen to be reading this (and I hope you are) please feel free to respond. If you are running a legitimate business you should have no fear of contacting us and resolving all our issues. You must be able to see how this is damaging any reputation you have left. We would be more than happy to discuss our issues with you.

I will keep you posted with our progress.

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 04:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by nomorescam

Hi guys

Well I have been reading this topic for the last couple of weeks and thought it was time for me to tell you what I am currently doing.

I have been using CC/UALADYS for a short time and have been speaking to three ladies one of which seemed very genuine. But I started to notice inconsistencies with the other two.
With my own findings and after reading so many similar stories on this forum I felt something had to be done.

My cousin is an international lawyer and it was time to see what he could do for me. Needles to say he is all over this like a rash. He started to look into what can be done legally should we be able to find proof that this business is not being run legitimately. And it is good news legally.

We have been in contact with a broadcasting company who have told us they will be willing to help if we can come up with a strong enough case. We have booked flights to Ukraine, followed by New York and will be on our way soon.
I think I have also found that CC is in operation through another agency (not ualadys.com) and that is still online and working. We are now on there case. I?m not saying they are CC as we can?t prove it but we have found some good evidence. If it does turn out to be them it?s going to be huge and the broadcasting company will love it. I will post that agency here should it be CC.

I noticed a few people on here would like legal action to take place. We will be happy to help and would appreciate any help you may be able to offer us.

If anyone from CC would happen to be reading this (and I hope you are) please feel free to respond. If you are running a legitimate business you should have no fear of contacting us and resolving all our issues. You must be able to see how this is damaging any reputation you have left. We would be more than happy to discuss our issues with you.

I will keep you posted with our progress.


Great stuff. I hope your genuine too. ? If you need any help I have a fairly good dossier on CC and I know the owner of 'confidentialconnections.NET - Have a look at it and see what you think. I also have 100's of letters from girls on CC, going back two years. If any project goes ahead please let us know, with links, so we can keep uptodate.
I have also alerted a lawyer in America, and he is waiting for me to send him all my data. However he is likely to be a little expensive, so maybe your own project would be cheaper. ?
<h3>The truth is cheap, lies are expensive.
Power to the People is long Overdue</h3>

imported_uljoh
01-10-2007, 04:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by uljoh

Hello folks,

I think I got an interesting thing for you, from the place where "ualadys" is hosted.
(http://www.erahosting.net/whoisdomen.php)

It says:

Domain Name: UALADYS.COM
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET
Whois Server: whois.aitdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.aitdomains.com
Name Server: NS04.MCCOLO.COM
Name Server: NS05.MCCOLO.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jan-2007
Creation Date: 27-sep-2006
Expiration Date: 27-sep-2007

Did you notice this name was registrated 27-sep-2006 ?
So, they didnt buy this name recently.

What was in their mind back then?

/ uljoh

Well done. Where did you find that site. ? Do you read russian ? The site is in russian. I didn't notice any English section. ?


Well, of course I dont know Russian, but I found it when I was searching for something in my own area in "ualadys". Suddenly there was a missing link, that led to this site.

And if you look at the top, the name of everything is in English.
So I simply filled in the box, where you were supposed to write the website that you were searching for.

And then, this info showed up.

/ uljoh

nomorescam
01-10-2007, 05:14 PM
Hi

We are totally genuine.
Thanks for the link; we are checking the info on that site. Looks like good stuff. Think it will be good to get in contact with the owner.
We will appreciate anything you are able to supply, the main evidence we are now looking at is generic letters. I do have some copies my self from Kharkov and Odessa but we are trying to get copies from all the offices.
The legal stuff is being done by my cousin.
Something interesting I found on the agency page which is being running under another name.

You and Confidential Connections will need to complete the 4 (FOUR) following items, prior to meeting any of our lady's, It will be valid for use on one lady or many lady's for 30 days from when it is signed.

CC mentioned loads of times in the document.

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 05:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by nomorescam

Hi

We are totally genuine.
Thanks for the link; we are checking the info on that site. Looks like good stuff. Think it will be good to get in contact with the owner.
We will appreciate anything you are able to supply, the main evidence we are now looking at is generic letters. I do have some copies my self from Kharkov and Odessa but we are trying to get copies from all the offices.
The legal stuff is being done by my cousin.
Something interesting I found on the agency page which is being running under another name.

You and Confidential Connections will need to complete the 4 (FOUR) following items, prior to meeting any of our lady's, It will be valid for use on one lady or many lady's for 30 days from when it is signed.

CC mentioned loads of times in the document.


Hi. Can you tell us about this site that is apparantly still CC ? It would be very interesting to actually see it. ? I presume there is nothing wrong in us seeing it. ? If so, you could always sent me a message to my email ?

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dublindevil
01-10-2007, 05:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by uljoh


quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by uljoh

Hello folks,

I think I got an interesting thing for you, from the place where "ualadys" is hosted.
(http://www.erahosting.net/whoisdomen.php)

It says:

Domain Name: UALADYS.COM
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET
Whois Server: whois.aitdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.aitdomains.com
Name Server: NS04.MCCOLO.COM
Name Server: NS05.MCCOLO.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jan-2007
Creation Date: 27-sep-2006
Expiration Date: 27-sep-2007

Did you notice this name was registrated 27-sep-2006 ?
So, they didnt buy this name recently.

What was in their mind back then?

/ uljoh

Well done. Where did you find that site. ? Do you read russian ? The site is in russian. I didn't notice any English section. ?


Well, of course I dont know Russian, but I found it when I was searching for something in my own area in "ualadys". Suddenly there was a missing link, that led to this site.

And if you look at the top, the name of everything is in English.
So I simply filled in the box, where you were supposed to write the website that you were searching for.

And then, this info showed up.

/ uljoh


uljoh.
It says you have 4 postings here but I could not find any. Did I miss your first three. ?

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nomorescam
01-10-2007, 05:45 PM
Dublindevil

Just sent you mail regarding the other company. Don?t want to post there name as it could be false allegations. Need to make sure we are right about them first.

Thanks

Prometheus
01-10-2007, 05:52 PM
From Jim's scam site:

Why are "Confidential Connections" & "Wife Connections"
"Bride Connections" & "Fiance Connections"
now on my Black List?

I had them on the Grey List for a long time. The owner and I talked a few times and he assured me that there was nothing suspicious happening at his agency. He assured me he was trying to make a good, reliable agency. So, I removed them. Well, I am sorry to say that the complaints about this agency continue to be sent to me steadily.

Some complaints are petty, some are serious and some are simply sad. I used to have links to the complaints, but I took them off, you can search for them yourself and find them easily.

The reason that I have now decided to move them to the Black List is a combination of the serious complaints mixed with the fact that they do not allow the exchange of contact information between their male and female clients.

Complaints are as follows. Several guys have made profiles at CC describing themselves as short, fat, bald, old and even MARRIED, and yet they still receive letters from girls. How is this possible?

Reports continue to flow in!! Guys have extensive correspondence with girls, contact them through other agencies and the girls have no idea who the guy is. Girls are admitting that the agency makes them sign a contract where they agree not to join other agencies, not to talk about correspondence with anyone and not to talk about how the agency operates.

More!!! A guy writes to a girl for about a year. She always has some excuse to NOT talk to him on the phone or video chat, and when he announces that he is going to go and visit her, she disappears. Gee, sound like the office staff is writing the letter? YES!!!!

BUT, the overwhelming reports are those of former employees (which I never really take seriously, however) and I have more than one report from current employees who have reported fake letters writing taking place at CC. The reports are quite in-depth and it is quite sickening to me to her about the magnitude of the illegal activities at CC. Yes, the girls are real, like at most other places, it is the letters that you cannot be fully sure of. So, why bother?

I have recently seen Wife Connections which appears to be the same site of an affiliate.

Bride and Fiance Connections are the same company's Latin sites. If fishy things happen with their Russian offices, why would it be any different for their Latin offices?

Jo Blo
01-10-2007, 06:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by dublindevil


quote:Originally posted by nomorescam

Hi guys

Well I have been reading this topic for the last couple of weeks and thought it was time for me to tell you what I am currently doing.

I have been using CC/UALADYS for a short time and have been speaking to three ladies one of which seemed very genuine. But I started to notice inconsistencies with the other two.
With my own findings and after reading so many similar stories on this forum I felt something had to be done.

My cousin is an international lawyer and it was time to see what he could do for me. Needles to say he is all over this like a rash. He started to look into what can be done legally should we be able to find proof that this business is not being run legitimately. And it is good news legally.

We have been in contact with a broadcasting company who have told us they will be willing to help if we can come up with a strong enough case. We have booked flights to Ukraine, followed by New York and will be on our way soon.
I think I have also found that CC is in operation through another agency (not ualadys.com) and that is still online and working. We are now on there case. I?m not saying they are CC as we can?t prove it but we have found some good evidence. If it does turn out to be them it?s going to be huge and the broadcasting company will love it. I will post that agency here should it be CC.

I noticed a few people on here would like legal action to take place. We will be happy to help and would appreciate any help you may be able to offer us.

If anyone from CC would happen to be reading this (and I hope you are) please feel free to respond. If you are running a legitimate business you should have no fear of contacting us and resolving all our issues. You must be able to see how this is damaging any reputation you have left. We would be more than happy to discuss our issues with you.

I will keep you posted with our progress.


Great stuff. I hope your genuine too. ? If you need any help I have a fairly good dossier on CC and I know the owner of 'confidentialconnections.NET - Have a look at it and see what you think. I also have 100's of letters from girls on CC, going back two years. If any project goes ahead please let us know, with links, so we can keep uptodate.
I have also alerted a lawyer in America, and he is waiting for me to send him all my data. However he is likely to be a little expensive, so maybe your own project would be cheaper. ?
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Hello Dublindevil, I am a newbie here, but i do understand what most guys feel, very ripped off, if it is any help to you i have the names of about 20 girls (including surnames) like someone else got,i think it is because i DO NOT live in the USA (its because of the IMBR law in the USA) but USA law does not apply here, the engineers of what appears to be a scam may well be victims of their own carelessness, so write me, and i will try to help, yours 'Jo Blo'.

dublindevil
01-10-2007, 07:52 PM
[/quote]Hello Dublindevil, I am a newbie here, but i do understand what most guys feel, very ripped off, if it is any help to you i have the names of about 20 girls (including surnames) like someone else got,i think it is because i DO NOT live in the USA (its because of the IMBR law in the USA) but USA law does not apply here, the engineers of what appears to be a scam may well be victims of their own carelessness, so write me, and i will try to help, yours 'Jo Blo'.
[/quote]
Jo Blo.
I am not in the USA either. ! My profile shows 'Ireland' I think ?
Anyway CC would not give me any surnames, or 'anything' whatever so if you have some yes, I would be very interested. It would also allow me to search for them on Scam sites, google, etc, which I could not do without surnames. ! If you want to write to me click on my profile and it should allow you to send me an email.
Have you ever registered on any other site using that nickname ? The name just sticks in my head. ! :D

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dublindevil
01-10-2007, 07:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

From Jim's scam site:

Why are "Confidential Connections" & "Wife Connections"
"Bride Connections" & "Fiance Connections"
now on my Black List?

I had them on the Grey List for a long time. The owner and I talked a few times and he assured me that there was nothing suspicious happening at his agency. He assured me he was trying to make a good, reliable agency. So, I removed them. Well, I am sorry to say that the complaints about this agency continue to be sent to me steadily.

Some complaints are petty, some are serious and some are simply sad. I used to have links to the complaints, but I took them off, you can search for them yourself and find them easily.

The reason that I have now decided to move them to the Black List is a combination of the serious complaints mixed with the fact that they do not allow the exchange of contact information between their male and female clients.

Complaints are as follows. Several guys have made profiles at CC describing themselves as short, fat, bald, old and even MARRIED, and yet they still receive letters from girls. How is this possible?

Reports continue to flow in!! Guys have extensive correspondence with girls, contact them through other agencies and the girls have no idea who the guy is. Girls are admitting that the agency makes them sign a contract where they agree not to join other agencies, not to talk about correspondence with anyone and not to talk about how the agency operates.

More!!! A guy writes to a girl for about a year. She always has some excuse to NOT talk to him on the phone or video chat, and when he announces that he is going to go and visit her, she disappears. Gee, sound like the office staff is writing the letter? YES!!!!

BUT, the overwhelming reports are those of former employees (which I never really take seriously, however) and I have more than one report from current employees who have reported fake letters writing taking place at CC. The reports are quite in-depth and it is quite sickening to me to her about the magnitude of the illegal activities at CC. Yes, the girls are real, like at most other places, it is the letters that you cannot be fully sure of. So, why bother?

I have recently seen Wife Connections which appears to be the same site of an affiliate.

Bride and Fiance Connections are the same company's Latin sites. If fishy things happen with their Russian offices, why would it be any different for their Latin offices?


Unfortunately that information has been on his site for years. It was there when I first started investigating 'agency scams' itself, and I think thats a long time back. Its profetic that he turns out to be right in the end, but at the time I asked for evidence of those 'allegations' but he would not provide it. 'Everything' on his site has to be taken with scepticism. ! Much of it is guesswork and hearsay, unless they are one of his 'favourites'. ! :)

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dublindevil
01-10-2007, 08:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by nomorescam

Dublindevil

Just sent you mail regarding the other company. Don?t want to post there name as it could be false allegations. Need to make sure we are right about them first.

Thanks


Hello.
Have not received any mail yet, and I just checked. ? Did you send it via this site from my profile. ?

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dublindevil
01-10-2007, 08:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by dublindevil



If anyone wants to see the webcams I have recorded or if you have talked to her please let me know. I can also post the email that I just recieved from UALADYS.com I would be happy to share anything you would like to I can offer.

I don't what what else to say right now so I will see what kind of responses I get from this forum from you guys.

Kevin, how did you get her email address. ?? I am very intrigued. Also CC sent you here surname by mistake. ! That was a massive mistake. Have never heard of anyone getting a surname and an email address. You must be 'unique'. ? :D

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[/quote]

Kevin. How did you get her email address. ? Was it a mistake by CC. ?

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