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bluewater69
08-29-2005, 09:03 AM
has anyone heard of this girl b4? she says she is from Cheboksary. i have neo traced her and came up just outside moscow. she also writes letters answering my questions. Thanks for any help i may recieve.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 09:36 AM
are you using the right isp? you have to be careful as if you use the wrong isp (especially if it is e mail from @mail.ru) it will show Moscow. here is an example:

Return-Path: <*********@mail.ru>
Received: from mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com)
by mwinb3005 (SMTP Server) with LMTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:01 +0200
X-Sieve: Server Sieve 2.2
Envelope-to: ************freeserve.co.uk
Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D03C81C0120A
for <***********.freeserve.co.uk>; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:01 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from f30.mail.ru (f30.mail.ru [194.67.57.23])
by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BA0231C01206
for <**********************co.uk>; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:01 +0200 (CEST)
X-ME-UUID: 20050828191701761.BA0231C01206@mwinf3204.me.freese rve.com
Received: from mail by f30.mail.ru with local
id 1E9SeL-000P7O-00
for ********************e.co.uk; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0400
Received: from [212.58.218.194] by win.mail.ru with HTTP;
Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0400
From: =?koi8-r?Q?=E9=D2=C9=CE=C1=20=E9=DA=CD=C1=CA=CC=CF=D7=C1? = <**********mail.ru>
To: Nick <**************eeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re[14]: Hello, N
X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19
X-Originating-IP: [212.58.218.194]
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0400
In-Reply-To: <002701c5abf4$cd2ee660$f1fb4c51@fcuk>
Reply-To: =?koi8-r?Q?=E9=D2=C9=CE=C1=20=E9=DA=CD=C1=CA=CC=CF=D7=C1? = <**********@mail.ru>
Message-Id: <E1E9SeL-000P7O-00.*********-mail-ru@f30.mail.ru>
X-me-spamlevel: not-spam
X-me-spamrating: 42.380392
X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.0.344 [267.10.16]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r


the isp you trace is 212.58.218.194

if you trace the isp 194.67.57.23 you will get Moscow as that is where mail.ru are based



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 09:36 AM
are you using the right isp? you have to be careful as if you use the wrong isp (especially if it is e mail from @mail.ru) it will show Moscow. here is an example:

Return-Path: <*********@mail.ru>
Received: from mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com)
by mwinb3005 (SMTP Server) with LMTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:01 +0200
X-Sieve: Server Sieve 2.2
Envelope-to: ************freeserve.co.uk
Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D03C81C0120A
for <***********.freeserve.co.uk>; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:01 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from f30.mail.ru (f30.mail.ru [194.67.57.23])
by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BA0231C01206
for <**********************co.uk>; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:01 +0200 (CEST)
X-ME-UUID: 20050828191701761.BA0231C01206@mwinf3204.me.freese rve.com
Received: from mail by f30.mail.ru with local
id 1E9SeL-000P7O-00
for ********************e.co.uk; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0400
Received: from [212.58.218.194] by win.mail.ru with HTTP;
Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0400
From: =?koi8-r?Q?=E9=D2=C9=CE=C1=20=E9=DA=CD=C1=CA=CC=CF=D7=C1? = <**********mail.ru>
To: Nick <**************eeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re[14]: Hello, N
X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19
X-Originating-IP: [212.58.218.194]
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0400
In-Reply-To: <002701c5abf4$cd2ee660$f1fb4c51@fcuk>
Reply-To: =?koi8-r?Q?=E9=D2=C9=CE=C1=20=E9=DA=CD=C1=CA=CC=CF=D7=C1? = <**********@mail.ru>
Message-Id: <E1E9SeL-000P7O-00.*********-mail-ru@f30.mail.ru>
X-me-spamlevel: not-spam
X-me-spamrating: 42.380392
X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.0.344 [267.10.16]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r


the isp you trace is 212.58.218.194

if you trace the isp 194.67.57.23 you will get Moscow as that is where mail.ru are based



to be or not to be. that is the question.

toymaker
08-29-2005, 10:05 AM
the ip shows a Yuri Schefer from vyborg but a google shows her from a marriage agency "Oasis of love" and not from Cheboksary.

toymaker
08-29-2005, 10:05 AM
the ip shows a Yuri Schefer from vyborg but a google shows her from a marriage agency "Oasis of love" and not from Cheboksary.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 10:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by toymaker

the ip shows a Yuri Schefer from vyborg but a google shows her from a marriage agency "Oasis of love" and not from Cheboksary.

@toymaker

dont understand. original poster did not post an ip. i posted an ip to explain which ip he has to trace. (header was from a mail i received).

by the way, the ip i put on is actually an amended ip and not a true one. and yes she is from vyborg. ;)

@bluewater69

hence that the trace shows a Yuri Schefer please ignore that part. re information about agency and if from Cheboksary or not, i cannot comment.

but, what i cannot understand is how anybody can say "anybody heard of this person?" what if it is a common name and surname that she has? there are a lot of common names and surnames in England. smith, jones are common ones but does not mean they are all same person.

@toymaker

can i ask what program you use? just curious and hope you do not mind.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 10:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by toymaker

the ip shows a Yuri Schefer from vyborg but a google shows her from a marriage agency "Oasis of love" and not from Cheboksary.

@toymaker

dont understand. original poster did not post an ip. i posted an ip to explain which ip he has to trace. (header was from a mail i received).

by the way, the ip i put on is actually an amended ip and not a true one. and yes she is from vyborg. ;)

@bluewater69

hence that the trace shows a Yuri Schefer please ignore that part. re information about agency and if from Cheboksary or not, i cannot comment.

but, what i cannot understand is how anybody can say "anybody heard of this person?" what if it is a common name and surname that she has? there are a lot of common names and surnames in England. smith, jones are common ones but does not mean they are all same person.

@toymaker

can i ask what program you use? just curious and hope you do not mind.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 11:41 AM
Thanks for the input so far, the trace (correct 1, thanks toymaker) showed Yoshker-ola. ip addy was 217.107.237.20 yes i am nieve at this and very new, so some of my ??'S may seem silly, but gotta ask to know.. thanks again for all your help. i have done the google search and found nothing, she has not asked for any money, if she does, i will not be sending any.

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 11:41 AM
Thanks for the input so far, the trace (correct 1, thanks toymaker) showed Yoshker-ola. ip addy was 217.107.237.20 yes i am nieve at this and very new, so some of my ??'S may seem silly, but gotta ask to know.. thanks again for all your help. i have done the google search and found nothing, she has not asked for any money, if she does, i will not be sending any.

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 11:47 AM
sorry, thanks to nick for the ip thing...

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 11:47 AM
sorry, thanks to nick for the ip thing...

nick20045
08-29-2005, 11:51 AM
no problem. for your information, some women know that Yoskar Ola is known for scamming and they use Cheboksary as nearest town. but if she said Cheboksary and not Yoskar Ola, it already gives you doubts whether everything she says is the truth.

look also in the header and see if she has a program called The Bat (can be any version). if she has, then be careful as it is a program used by scammers (there is some info about that program on here worth reading).

also send an e mail using a different e mail address introducing yourself and put in a different name. see what she writes back. if first letter is same as what you got. will show if she uses templates.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 11:51 AM
no problem. for your information, some women know that Yoskar Ola is known for scamming and they use Cheboksary as nearest town. but if she said Cheboksary and not Yoskar Ola, it already gives you doubts whether everything she says is the truth.

look also in the header and see if she has a program called The Bat (can be any version). if she has, then be careful as it is a program used by scammers (there is some info about that program on here worth reading).

also send an e mail using a different e mail address introducing yourself and put in a different name. see what she writes back. if first letter is same as what you got. will show if she uses templates.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 11:56 AM
by the way, also check if it says dialup in the header. if it is dialup then it is a home pc. ask her if she uses a home pc or an internet cafe (easy way to find out if she lies).

and checking isp is ok but, do not try and check the names of people. the reason is very simple.

if a person is on adsl or broadband the isp is fixed (unless they spoof it). if the person is on dialup, then the last digits after the last "." change every time the person makes a connection. hence unless you "hit" the person at the time of receipt of mail and that person is on then you get the right info. but if the person has logged off you can "hit" somebody else. same location (town) but different person. (well as far as i know anyway). :D


to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 11:56 AM
by the way, also check if it says dialup in the header. if it is dialup then it is a home pc. ask her if she uses a home pc or an internet cafe (easy way to find out if she lies).

and checking isp is ok but, do not try and check the names of people. the reason is very simple.

if a person is on adsl or broadband the isp is fixed (unless they spoof it). if the person is on dialup, then the last digits after the last "." change every time the person makes a connection. hence unless you "hit" the person at the time of receipt of mail and that person is on then you get the right info. but if the person has logged off you can "hit" somebody else. same location (town) but different person. (well as far as i know anyway). :D


to be or not to be. that is the question.

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:04 PM
thanks again nick, i think i have one here...

this is the info from hear email properties..with her last speel on the end.....

Return-Path: <internetcafe***@mail.ru>
Received: from mx1.mail.ru ([194.67.23.121]) by imta08sl.mx.bigpond.com
with ESMTP
id <20050829072515.PPAR10219.imta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@ mx1.mail.ru>
for <******@bigpond.com>; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:25:15 +0000
Received: from [217.107.237.20] (port=1422 helo=Internet32)
by mx1.mail.ru with asmtp
id 1E9e12-000I7A-00
for *********@bigpond.com; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:25:13 +0400
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:24:27 +0400
From: internetcafe***@mail.ru
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal
Reply-To: internetcafe***@mail.ru
Organization: internetcafe***
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <15112749328.20050829112427@mail.ru>
To: "john morgan" <********@bigpond.com>
Subject: I hope you have Good day!
In-Reply-To: <004101c5ad2f$9f18fbd0$39ad8b90@acerb0474dc4d4>
References: <004101c5ad2f$9f18fbd0$39ad8b90@acerb0474dc4d4>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Hello my kitten
As always it was wonderful to see your letter in my mailbox.

I hope you do not mind that I called you kitten.

I just wanted to call you in some tender way and
that was the best word I have found.
I like read your so quickly letter!!!

My girlfriends at work say, that I became absent-minded,
they say that I have fallen in love with someone.

And I do not know what to tell them about it.
I do not know whom I deceive. Them or myself?

Since I have started receive your letters I have only one thought in my head.
Is it possible?
And now I want to tell you one phrase.
May be you will think that it is stupid or too fast.
But I love you.
You are the one I looked for.
You are the man that I want to spend my life with.
I am sure that I have found my second half.
And all I need to know if my feelings are mutual.
I really need to know it.
Probably you think that I am crazy.
But trust me, I am not crazy.
I am just saying what I feel. I am telling you the things that my heart telling.
Please do not make me wait. I just want to know the true and that is it.

I hope that you will answer to my letter as soon as it possible.

I will wait with all my heart.

With love Nastya

ps...

My surname Shilyaeva
and i wake up Early I like sleep only in target(day off)
And I do not like much to sleep because then I feel that day already has passed
I like make all early by morning

My future dream - create happy strong family and ma

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:04 PM
thanks again nick, i think i have one here...

this is the info from hear email properties..with her last speel on the end.....

Return-Path: <internetcafe***@mail.ru>
Received: from mx1.mail.ru ([194.67.23.121]) by imta08sl.mx.bigpond.com
with ESMTP
id <20050829072515.PPAR10219.imta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@ mx1.mail.ru>
for <******@bigpond.com>; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:25:15 +0000
Received: from [217.107.237.20] (port=1422 helo=Internet32)
by mx1.mail.ru with asmtp
id 1E9e12-000I7A-00
for *********@bigpond.com; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:25:13 +0400
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:24:27 +0400
From: internetcafe***@mail.ru
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal
Reply-To: internetcafe***@mail.ru
Organization: internetcafe***
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <15112749328.20050829112427@mail.ru>
To: "john morgan" <********@bigpond.com>
Subject: I hope you have Good day!
In-Reply-To: <004101c5ad2f$9f18fbd0$39ad8b90@acerb0474dc4d4>
References: <004101c5ad2f$9f18fbd0$39ad8b90@acerb0474dc4d4>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Hello my kitten
As always it was wonderful to see your letter in my mailbox.

I hope you do not mind that I called you kitten.

I just wanted to call you in some tender way and
that was the best word I have found.
I like read your so quickly letter!!!

My girlfriends at work say, that I became absent-minded,
they say that I have fallen in love with someone.

And I do not know what to tell them about it.
I do not know whom I deceive. Them or myself?

Since I have started receive your letters I have only one thought in my head.
Is it possible?
And now I want to tell you one phrase.
May be you will think that it is stupid or too fast.
But I love you.
You are the one I looked for.
You are the man that I want to spend my life with.
I am sure that I have found my second half.
And all I need to know if my feelings are mutual.
I really need to know it.
Probably you think that I am crazy.
But trust me, I am not crazy.
I am just saying what I feel. I am telling you the things that my heart telling.
Please do not make me wait. I just want to know the true and that is it.

I hope that you will answer to my letter as soon as it possible.

I will wait with all my heart.

With love Nastya

ps...

My surname Shilyaeva
and i wake up Early I like sleep only in target(day off)
And I do not like much to sleep because then I feel that day already has passed
I like make all early by morning

My future dream - create happy strong family and ma

nick20045
08-29-2005, 12:15 PM
Received: from [217.107.237.20] (port=1422 helo=Internet32)

to me it says home pc.

internetcafe***@mail.ru

to me it says "LOL". who on earth especially if a woman gets an e mail addy with internetcafe in it!!!!!!! most women will use either their name, a variation of their name or initials. e.g. svetlana can be sveta@mail.ru (or something like that).

X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal

to me it says "Ouch". v1.53d is a very old version. it also says personal. looks like personal pc and the person using it is tight fisted. if it was internet or company pc they should have a newer version.

I hope you do not mind that I called you kitten.

don't know. i have lived in two different countries and never heard a man being called a "kitten". a woman yes. but a man being called a kitten!!! (do you get that in aussieland)? seems to be more a man writing here. LOL.

Please do not make me wait. I just want to know the true and that is it.

i will give you 5 to 1 odds you will get the passport visa tickets letter in the next 5 days. :D

would say give her the "benefit of the doubt" but, be very cautions.;) if you send any money most probably you will post here with a lot of [:I][:I][:I][:I]:(



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 12:15 PM
Received: from [217.107.237.20] (port=1422 helo=Internet32)

to me it says home pc.

internetcafe***@mail.ru

to me it says "LOL". who on earth especially if a woman gets an e mail addy with internetcafe in it!!!!!!! most women will use either their name, a variation of their name or initials. e.g. svetlana can be sveta@mail.ru (or something like that).

X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal

to me it says "Ouch". v1.53d is a very old version. it also says personal. looks like personal pc and the person using it is tight fisted. if it was internet or company pc they should have a newer version.

I hope you do not mind that I called you kitten.

don't know. i have lived in two different countries and never heard a man being called a "kitten". a woman yes. but a man being called a kitten!!! (do you get that in aussieland)? seems to be more a man writing here. LOL.

Please do not make me wait. I just want to know the true and that is it.

i will give you 5 to 1 odds you will get the passport visa tickets letter in the next 5 days. :D

would say give her the "benefit of the doubt" but, be very cautions.;) if you send any money most probably you will post here with a lot of [:I][:I][:I][:I]:(



to be or not to be. that is the question.

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:22 PM
your a legend nick, your help is priceless, will keep you updated. nah, never been called kitten b4...don't want to again either..lol

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:22 PM
your a legend nick, your help is priceless, will keep you updated. nah, never been called kitten b4...don't want to again either..lol

nick20045
08-29-2005, 12:35 PM
hello kitten :D:D:D:D

no problem. i would not say "dump her" but i would say be very very cautious.

the main thing i learnt is:

a: make allowances for the english. hence read the letter twice or three times to make sure understand what is intended to be said NOT what is written. remember online translators can make mistakes. you have to make allowance for the mistakes of when she translated your letter to read it. and then make allowances for the mistakes when she translates her letter to you.

b: think of it like a chess game. try and work out the next move she is going to play. makes it fun as well.

and if you find a scammer, reel her in :D. they make good fun teasing them.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 12:35 PM
hello kitten :D:D:D:D

no problem. i would not say "dump her" but i would say be very very cautious.

the main thing i learnt is:

a: make allowances for the english. hence read the letter twice or three times to make sure understand what is intended to be said NOT what is written. remember online translators can make mistakes. you have to make allowance for the mistakes of when she translated your letter to read it. and then make allowances for the mistakes when she translates her letter to you.

b: think of it like a chess game. try and work out the next move she is going to play. makes it fun as well.

and if you find a scammer, reel her in :D. they make good fun teasing them.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:40 PM
just another one, i have checked her previous emails and all are from different ip addy's also dif ports...does this mean anything????they all trace back to the same place though...

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:40 PM
just another one, i have checked her previous emails and all are from different ip addy's also dif ports...does this mean anything????they all trace back to the same place though...

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:43 PM
this ip addy is from her first email, neotrace came up with unknown, outside of engels, check it out for your self.. 217.118.90.1

bluewater69
08-29-2005, 12:43 PM
this ip addy is from her first email, neotrace came up with unknown, outside of engels, check it out for your self.. 217.118.90.1

nick20045
08-29-2005, 12:49 PM
different ip addys means she is on a dialup. same as i said before. broadband adsl are fixed addys but can be spoofed. dialup usually last digits change. (dialup can also be spoofed) but for the common person they do not do this as it means "messing about". rememeber to a scammer time = money. also different ports on the pc is ok. it shows private pc. remember internet cafes use mostly adsl. one port. reason, which i have already said in a different post. computers in russia are expensive. people want value for money. cannot put say a 700Mhz pc in an internet cafe with a dialup. but can use a 700Mhz pc with adsl and the connection is about same as a 2 Ghz pc. now somebody in russia what will they change? pc (multiple if for an internet cafe), or dialup to adsl? i have seen 500Mhz pc's in malta being used for internet cafes. but the connection is adsl and they are pretty fast. remember pc's in russia are about US$1000 each. which internet cafe (we will call him Yuri) will fork out say US$10,000 to have decent internet and still use dialup!????????

when neotrace gives unknown as last node it means that isp is not in use. i.e. either the computer is switched off (internet cafes do not do this hence another pointer at being private pc) or, nobody is using that isp at the moment. remember isp are randomly given out. so back to questioning her. ask her if she has a private pc or uses internet cafe.

be daring. be a sherlock homes.

p.s. and ask her what type of kitten you are. skinny, furry, siamese? she if she replies "poodle" LOL. sorry but you have me laughing my head off being called a kitten :D

to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 12:49 PM
different ip addys means she is on a dialup. same as i said before. broadband adsl are fixed addys but can be spoofed. dialup usually last digits change. (dialup can also be spoofed) but for the common person they do not do this as it means "messing about". rememeber to a scammer time = money. also different ports on the pc is ok. it shows private pc. remember internet cafes use mostly adsl. one port. reason, which i have already said in a different post. computers in russia are expensive. people want value for money. cannot put say a 700Mhz pc in an internet cafe with a dialup. but can use a 700Mhz pc with adsl and the connection is about same as a 2 Ghz pc. now somebody in russia what will they change? pc (multiple if for an internet cafe), or dialup to adsl? i have seen 500Mhz pc's in malta being used for internet cafes. but the connection is adsl and they are pretty fast. remember pc's in russia are about US$1000 each. which internet cafe (we will call him Yuri) will fork out say US$10,000 to have decent internet and still use dialup!????????

when neotrace gives unknown as last node it means that isp is not in use. i.e. either the computer is switched off (internet cafes do not do this hence another pointer at being private pc) or, nobody is using that isp at the moment. remember isp are randomly given out. so back to questioning her. ask her if she has a private pc or uses internet cafe.

be daring. be a sherlock homes.

p.s. and ask her what type of kitten you are. skinny, furry, siamese? she if she replies "poodle" LOL. sorry but you have me laughing my head off being called a kitten :D

to be or not to be. that is the question.

toymaker
08-29-2005, 06:08 PM
bluewater..... I googled her name and this is what I turn up. I have a picture if you want it , email me and give me your email addy. Other info is very good looking, black hair, age 26 DOB 12 05 79. from zvenigovo 5'8" 118#. I may be wrong but with the info you have given this is what is available.

toymaker
08-29-2005, 06:08 PM
bluewater..... I googled her name and this is what I turn up. I have a picture if you want it , email me and give me your email addy. Other info is very good looking, black hair, age 26 DOB 12 05 79. from zvenigovo 5'8" 118#. I may be wrong but with the info you have given this is what is available.

toymaker
08-29-2005, 06:11 PM
nick... I am a sort of novice here too but i use www.dnsstuff.com.

toymaker
08-29-2005, 06:11 PM
nick... I am a sort of novice here too but i use www.dnsstuff.com.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 06:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by toymaker

nick... I am a sort of novice here too but i use www.dnsstuff.com.


thanks for the info toymaker. cannot use that as my proxy is banned from there

they seem not to like firewalls and i will not switch it off just because some site does not like it

i use neotrace pro. very easy to use. have another program but need to find a "crack" for it. its called magic net trace. have tried a crack but need to reboot before it works

try google neotrace pro. look for a shareware or freeware version. if you cannot find one send me a message and will mail it to you.

p.s. if you are a novice. read some of the above. might help you.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-29-2005, 06:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by toymaker

nick... I am a sort of novice here too but i use www.dnsstuff.com.


thanks for the info toymaker. cannot use that as my proxy is banned from there

they seem not to like firewalls and i will not switch it off just because some site does not like it

i use neotrace pro. very easy to use. have another program but need to find a "crack" for it. its called magic net trace. have tried a crack but need to reboot before it works

try google neotrace pro. look for a shareware or freeware version. if you cannot find one send me a message and will mail it to you.

p.s. if you are a novice. read some of the above. might help you.



to be or not to be. that is the question.

bluewater69
08-30-2005, 02:29 AM
hey guys, thanks for your help, nick, thanks for asking how furry i am...lol...and for calling me kitten!!!!lol...good on ya..

will keep you all posted.

bluewater69
08-30-2005, 02:29 AM
hey guys, thanks for your help, nick, thanks for asking how furry i am...lol...and for calling me kitten!!!!lol...good on ya..

will keep you all posted.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 02:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by bluewater69

yes nick, it's kitten again...lol
WOOF :D:D

p.s. check e mail

to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 02:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by bluewater69

yes nick, it's kitten again...lol
WOOF :D:D

p.s. check e mail

to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 03:01 AM
oh and here is a good one to use........

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-russia1.htm

when you receive the mail (best if you are online and you notice the mail as soon as it comes in ie she just sent it) go on the above link

find where she lives or nearest city. notice the time. now work it out......

she says she works in a shop. hence most probably 9 to 5. but she sent the letter at 10. yeah...... liar. unless she happens to have a day off she should be at work

if she sends it at 4am. yeah..... liar. no woman in her right head goes to an internet cafe at 4am (even if they are 24/7) to send a letter. a: it is not safe b: she has to wake up for work tomorrow

look at the times. compare to her letters. ask if she was working today when you get a letter at 10am 11am

easy way to catch them

C ya


to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 03:01 AM
oh and here is a good one to use........

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-russia1.htm

when you receive the mail (best if you are online and you notice the mail as soon as it comes in ie she just sent it) go on the above link

find where she lives or nearest city. notice the time. now work it out......

she says she works in a shop. hence most probably 9 to 5. but she sent the letter at 10. yeah...... liar. unless she happens to have a day off she should be at work

if she sends it at 4am. yeah..... liar. no woman in her right head goes to an internet cafe at 4am (even if they are 24/7) to send a letter. a: it is not safe b: she has to wake up for work tomorrow

look at the times. compare to her letters. ask if she was working today when you get a letter at 10am 11am

easy way to catch them

C ya


to be or not to be. that is the question.

bluewater69
08-30-2005, 10:57 AM
hey nick and toymaker,

does the pic i sent you seem familiar??
you guys are legends in what you do and your advice, appreciate it heaps..thank you, as for you nick...well...still purring!!!!lol, let me know how you go in ru with your girl...i think they have the most beutiful qualities that women in my country have lost....

bluewater69
08-30-2005, 10:57 AM
hey nick and toymaker,

does the pic i sent you seem familiar??
you guys are legends in what you do and your advice, appreciate it heaps..thank you, as for you nick...well...still purring!!!!lol, let me know how you go in ru with your girl...i think they have the most beutiful qualities that women in my country have lost....

nick20045
08-30-2005, 11:17 AM
quote:Originally posted by bluewater69

hey nick and toymaker,

does the pic i sent you seem familiar??
you guys are legends in what you do and your advice, appreciate it heaps..thank you, as for you nick...well...still purring!!!!lol, let me know how you go in ru with your girl...i think they have the most beutiful qualities that women in my country have lost....


re piccie please check mail BUT sending piccies to others is what is a two edged sword. why?

well let us say you have been posting a lot of things about a woman and i like the idea of her. i look her up. find her on a site which seems respectable and i write to her. i already know most of the information because have read it. then to break you two up, i refer her to something like this board. genuine women do not like the idea of what they think are intimate letters being posted in public for all to read. she will dump you. do you get my drift?

not saying something i will do but, giving you something to think about. there is the part of checking on her. that is another two edged sword. one side is helps you find if she is a scammer. other side is if she finds out (see above) believe me you will get a mouthful about trust, and how she trusted you, and how you now shame her........ so think first ok?



to be or not to be. that is the question.

re ru sent off passport for visa today. might help somebody. very cheap service http://www.realrussia.co.uk/. for people from overseas might be an idea to contact them and get a quote and see if works out cheaper.

re kitten. WOOF WOOF :D:D:D why not tell her to call you "my kuala bear"??? at least it is australian :D:D:D

nick20045
08-30-2005, 11:17 AM
quote:Originally posted by bluewater69

hey nick and toymaker,

does the pic i sent you seem familiar??
you guys are legends in what you do and your advice, appreciate it heaps..thank you, as for you nick...well...still purring!!!!lol, let me know how you go in ru with your girl...i think they have the most beutiful qualities that women in my country have lost....


re piccie please check mail BUT sending piccies to others is what is a two edged sword. why?

well let us say you have been posting a lot of things about a woman and i like the idea of her. i look her up. find her on a site which seems respectable and i write to her. i already know most of the information because have read it. then to break you two up, i refer her to something like this board. genuine women do not like the idea of what they think are intimate letters being posted in public for all to read. she will dump you. do you get my drift?

not saying something i will do but, giving you something to think about. there is the part of checking on her. that is another two edged sword. one side is helps you find if she is a scammer. other side is if she finds out (see above) believe me you will get a mouthful about trust, and how she trusted you, and how you now shame her........ so think first ok?



to be or not to be. that is the question.

re ru sent off passport for visa today. might help somebody. very cheap service http://www.realrussia.co.uk/. for people from overseas might be an idea to contact them and get a quote and see if works out cheaper.

re kitten. WOOF WOOF :D:D:D why not tell her to call you "my kuala bear"??? at least it is australian :D:D:D

bluewater69
08-30-2005, 11:42 AM
true nick, know your point...good luck to all that try....
and it's KOALA mate...lol...

thanks again
John

bluewater69
08-30-2005, 11:42 AM
true nick, know your point...good luck to all that try....
and it's KOALA mate...lol...

thanks again
John

nick20045
08-30-2005, 11:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by bluewater69

true nick, know your point...good luck to all that try....
and it's KOALA mate...lol...

thanks again
John

i blame it on my online translator LOL :D and at least it is nice animal and does not go meow and jump on your backside when you are "being a naughty boy" and dig its claws in :D:D:D

signing off now

WOOF

to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 11:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by bluewater69

true nick, know your point...good luck to all that try....
and it's KOALA mate...lol...

thanks again
John

i blame it on my online translator LOL :D and at least it is nice animal and does not go meow and jump on your backside when you are "being a naughty boy" and dig its claws in :D:D:D

signing off now

WOOF

to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 04:09 PM
@bluewater69

here is one for you which shows definetely an internet cafe

Received: from sail (adsl-gw.etr.ru [83.234.58.24*])

i've changed the last digit to an * myself.

see how it says adsl?



to be or not to be. that is the question.

nick20045
08-30-2005, 04:09 PM
@bluewater69

here is one for you which shows definetely an internet cafe

Received: from sail (adsl-gw.etr.ru [83.234.58.24*])

i've changed the last digit to an * myself.

see how it says adsl?



to be or not to be. that is the question.

seajay
09-01-2005, 05:33 AM
Okay, so you fellers have me laughing too!
"Kitten", I believe is a male gender noun in Russian = "Kotenok".
But... I may be wrong.

Nevertheless, I too have been called "kitten", by an actual XX-chromosomed female of that region of the world.

seajay
09-01-2005, 05:33 AM
Okay, so you fellers have me laughing too!
"Kitten", I believe is a male gender noun in Russian = "Kotenok".
But... I may be wrong.

Nevertheless, I too have been called "kitten", by an actual XX-chromosomed female of that region of the world.

Racy
09-01-2005, 09:36 AM
youp seajay, you are right. BUT normal women in FSU rarely start calling a guy "kitten" unless they are dating for ages. Hence a hint--as soon as you see any of this "kitten" etc. crap in the letters--ignore them.

Racy
09-01-2005, 09:36 AM
youp seajay, you are right. BUT normal women in FSU rarely start calling a guy "kitten" unless they are dating for ages. Hence a hint--as soon as you see any of this "kitten" etc. crap in the letters--ignore them.

nick20045
09-01-2005, 10:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by Racy

youp seajay, you are right. BUT normal women in FSU rarely start calling a guy "kitten" unless they are dating for ages. Hence a hint--as soon as you see any of this "kitten" etc. crap in the letters--ignore them.


ok Racy

but what if she calls the man something like "tiger" or "my lion"

or in our case, as he is from australia

"kangaroo jack" ??????

:D:D:D:D



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-01-2005, 10:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by Racy

youp seajay, you are right. BUT normal women in FSU rarely start calling a guy "kitten" unless they are dating for ages. Hence a hint--as soon as you see any of this "kitten" etc. crap in the letters--ignore them.


ok Racy

but what if she calls the man something like "tiger" or "my lion"

or in our case, as he is from australia

"kangaroo jack" ??????

:D:D:D:D



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Racy
09-01-2005, 10:52 AM
Nick, it's not about the names she calls a guy, it is about WHEN she starts doing that. You know what I mean?
Howdy by the way?

Racy
09-01-2005, 10:52 AM
Nick, it's not about the names she calls a guy, it is about WHEN she starts doing that. You know what I mean?
Howdy by the way?

nick20045
09-01-2005, 10:59 AM
quote:Originally posted by Racy

Nick, it's not about the names she calls a guy, it is about WHEN she starts doing that. You know what I mean?
Howdy by the way?


Racy

you have to understand that sometimes we make jokes. :D

anyway hinny. did ya have a luvely weekend? wot did yee get up ta? ower 'ere last neet it pourd with rain and most of the roads were flooded.

take care. and nice to see a bonny lass post once in a while. ;)


to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-01-2005, 10:59 AM
quote:Originally posted by Racy

Nick, it's not about the names she calls a guy, it is about WHEN she starts doing that. You know what I mean?
Howdy by the way?


Racy

you have to understand that sometimes we make jokes. :D

anyway hinny. did ya have a luvely weekend? wot did yee get up ta? ower 'ere last neet it pourd with rain and most of the roads were flooded.

take care. and nice to see a bonny lass post once in a while. ;)


to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Racy
09-01-2005, 11:04 AM
Nae rain here! Hot, hot, bloody hot.
P.S. seems like all this website is a big joke. If I saw it 2 years ago I would be scared to marry a foreigner:D

Racy
09-01-2005, 11:04 AM
Nae rain here! Hot, hot, bloody hot.
P.S. seems like all this website is a big joke. If I saw it 2 years ago I would be scared to marry a foreigner:D

nick20045
09-01-2005, 11:36 AM
lol.

Racy there two ways to look at life.

The joke or the optimist.

the joke is good because you laugh. the optimist is good because you use the head but you die young from too much brain power. :D

anyway hun.... i have put in for my visa. if all goes ok.......

i will be in moscow next month
i will arrested within 24 hours

anybody knows what is the procedure if i get arrested for knocking somebody's jaw out of place?????????



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-01-2005, 11:36 AM
lol.

Racy there two ways to look at life.

The joke or the optimist.

the joke is good because you laugh. the optimist is good because you use the head but you die young from too much brain power. :D

anyway hun.... i have put in for my visa. if all goes ok.......

i will be in moscow next month
i will arrested within 24 hours

anybody knows what is the procedure if i get arrested for knocking somebody's jaw out of place?????????



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Racy
09-01-2005, 11:42 AM
relax, moscow is fine.
just avoid dark streets, speaking english to your girl in a cab (you'll be charged twice more than actual price is), hanging around away from downtown, going to internet places on your own

Racy
09-01-2005, 11:42 AM
relax, moscow is fine.
just avoid dark streets, speaking english to your girl in a cab (you'll be charged twice more than actual price is), hanging around away from downtown, going to internet places on your own

nick20045
09-01-2005, 11:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by Racy

relax, moscow is fine.
just avoid dark streets, speaking english to your girl in a cab (you'll be charged twice more than actual price is), hanging around away from downtown, going to internet places on your own


you know!!!! i would say i luv ya...... but.......:D

divvint ya warry. dark streets aint gonna bother. speaking english to my girl??? heck she is gonna be in same hotel as me!!!!

**** understand what you mean "hanging around away from downtown"

as to going to internet places on my own...... will i get raped by some beautiful russian woman?

yeah!!!! i am the lucky one. i have just been told that i have to be the perfect gentleman. i MUST NOT look at other women sexually. i MUST NOT think of other women sexually and i must hold her hand all the time to show other women i have a girlfriend.

well i have wanted to go to Russia for a long time but as we say in England.....

somebody please shoot me!!!! i am in deep sh*t! :D



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-01-2005, 11:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by Racy

relax, moscow is fine.
just avoid dark streets, speaking english to your girl in a cab (you'll be charged twice more than actual price is), hanging around away from downtown, going to internet places on your own


you know!!!! i would say i luv ya...... but.......:D

divvint ya warry. dark streets aint gonna bother. speaking english to my girl??? heck she is gonna be in same hotel as me!!!!

**** understand what you mean "hanging around away from downtown"

as to going to internet places on my own...... will i get raped by some beautiful russian woman?

yeah!!!! i am the lucky one. i have just been told that i have to be the perfect gentleman. i MUST NOT look at other women sexually. i MUST NOT think of other women sexually and i must hold her hand all the time to show other women i have a girlfriend.

well i have wanted to go to Russia for a long time but as we say in England.....

somebody please shoot me!!!! i am in deep sh*t! :D



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

toymaker
09-02-2005, 01:22 AM
Nick how late in the month are you going there? I am headed there in Early Oct. will arrive Moscow on the 6th.

toymaker
09-02-2005, 01:22 AM
Nick how late in the month are you going there? I am headed there in Early Oct. will arrive Moscow on the 6th.

nick20045
09-02-2005, 02:22 AM
if all goes ok i am hoping to be there by 22nd Sept and leave by 08 Oct.

why? you fancy a wife swap? a threesome, foursome? :D she is hot as hell but i can ask her :D:D

joking apart...... check e mail



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-02-2005, 02:22 AM
if all goes ok i am hoping to be there by 22nd Sept and leave by 08 Oct.

why? you fancy a wife swap? a threesome, foursome? :D she is hot as hell but i can ask her :D:D

joking apart...... check e mail



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on