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smithies
09-10-2005, 12:11 AM
anybody knows how to get the money back from the scammers? any info and ideas?

smithies

nick20045
09-10-2005, 12:22 AM
no. that is why they use western union.

next time ask her for a bank details.

you could try and tell her that you have received some big bills and you need the money and once sorted you will send the money to her.

very doubtfull but worth a try.

you COULD write to the president. read on a board about somebody who did. but as to luck....... will give you 1 in a million chance.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-10-2005, 12:22 AM
no. that is why they use western union.

next time ask her for a bank details.

you could try and tell her that you have received some big bills and you need the money and once sorted you will send the money to her.

very doubtfull but worth a try.

you COULD write to the president. read on a board about somebody who did. but as to luck....... will give you 1 in a million chance.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

squash
09-12-2005, 01:37 PM
Did you use a credit card to send the money?

This has happened to me in the last few days.

I'm in the UK, told to report to police by western union. police don't want to know or even western union.

Just spoke to Mastercard who I used for the transaction, they will query the transaction with western union. They told me it takes 3 working days for a complete transaction. I had an email saturday saying the money had been taken. Payment's were made thursday and friday.
I personally know I wont get the money back. I'm just trying to help other people here.

Yes I know it was my mistake.

squash
09-12-2005, 01:37 PM
Did you use a credit card to send the money?

This has happened to me in the last few days.

I'm in the UK, told to report to police by western union. police don't want to know or even western union.

Just spoke to Mastercard who I used for the transaction, they will query the transaction with western union. They told me it takes 3 working days for a complete transaction. I had an email saturday saying the money had been taken. Payment's were made thursday and friday.
I personally know I wont get the money back. I'm just trying to help other people here.

Yes I know it was my mistake.

scam_hunter
09-15-2005, 04:07 PM
Just an idea guys. Why don't we set up an organization that solicits the help of unemployed Russian men and pay them a bounty for every scammer they track down and make a personal introduction to them (most are Internet Whores to begin with)or turn them in to the local authorities? Pay them a set sum for getting them off the Internet.
A scammer might think twice if she knew a bounty was on her head, and not be so eager to deceive men knowing someone could actually come to her door. Put the fear in them!

These women (or men posing as women)are making thousands of dollars off unsuspecting men and should be punished gravely for their deeds. I would much rather see my money go for something like this than to some scammer looking only to profit themselves at the man's expense. Perhaps this sounds harsh, but these people deal in a harsh reality and this is all they know and respect. So let's pool together and start offering bounty's! It's time we found a solution to the problem, since the governments are not so keen on it and see it as a nuisance more than anything. Just a thought.

Reggie Oglesby

scam_hunter
09-15-2005, 04:07 PM
Just an idea guys. Why don't we set up an organization that solicits the help of unemployed Russian men and pay them a bounty for every scammer they track down and make a personal introduction to them (most are Internet Whores to begin with)or turn them in to the local authorities? Pay them a set sum for getting them off the Internet.
A scammer might think twice if she knew a bounty was on her head, and not be so eager to deceive men knowing someone could actually come to her door. Put the fear in them!

These women (or men posing as women)are making thousands of dollars off unsuspecting men and should be punished gravely for their deeds. I would much rather see my money go for something like this than to some scammer looking only to profit themselves at the man's expense. Perhaps this sounds harsh, but these people deal in a harsh reality and this is all they know and respect. So let's pool together and start offering bounty's! It's time we found a solution to the problem, since the governments are not so keen on it and see it as a nuisance more than anything. Just a thought.

Reggie Oglesby

nick20045
09-15-2005, 04:26 PM
a: if you phone western union to send money by credit card it tells you that western union will not be liable if you do not get the services you ask for. so @squash. you have no chance. it is classed as a gift. you cannot ask for gifts back just because a woman does not write any more.

b: pay a scammer to catch a scammer? come on!!!! i'll tell you what. send me US$500, tell me which part of russia she lives and i will trace the person and i will personally put the person in hospital. once i trace the person i will send you a photo of the person in the hospital waiting for treatment.

oh yeah!!!!! it will be the easiest US$500 i will have made. just run up to the local emergency hospital, take a few photos of somebody with a black eye and a broken nose (the more blood that can be seen the better) and send it to you and tell you he was called Yuri Supanova.:D:D:D how can you prove that it "is" the perons? all you have is the word of some russian!!!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-15-2005, 04:26 PM
a: if you phone western union to send money by credit card it tells you that western union will not be liable if you do not get the services you ask for. so @squash. you have no chance. it is classed as a gift. you cannot ask for gifts back just because a woman does not write any more.

b: pay a scammer to catch a scammer? come on!!!! i'll tell you what. send me US$500, tell me which part of russia she lives and i will trace the person and i will personally put the person in hospital. once i trace the person i will send you a photo of the person in the hospital waiting for treatment.

oh yeah!!!!! it will be the easiest US$500 i will have made. just run up to the local emergency hospital, take a few photos of somebody with a black eye and a broken nose (the more blood that can be seen the better) and send it to you and tell you he was called Yuri Supanova.:D:D:D how can you prove that it "is" the perons? all you have is the word of some russian!!!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag
09-15-2005, 05:58 PM
I know at least 2 people who were able to get their money back.

So it is possible, but in general the chances are 1 out of 10,000.

elenag
09-15-2005, 05:58 PM
I know at least 2 people who were able to get their money back.

So it is possible, but in general the chances are 1 out of 10,000.

nick20045
09-15-2005, 06:05 PM
there is an article on one of the sites. something about some man who wrote to the president.

problem is when a person is talking of having sent something like US$100 i do not think there is much chance.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-15-2005, 06:05 PM
there is an article on one of the sites. something about some man who wrote to the president.

problem is when a person is talking of having sent something like US$100 i do not think there is much chance.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag
09-15-2005, 06:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by nick20045

there is an article on one of the sites. something about some man who wrote to the president.

problem is when a person is talking of having sent something like US$100 i do not think there is much chance.


Yes,that Australian. Putin ordered an arrest warrant for a scam group in Chelyaboinsk (or Yoshkar-Ola, I don't remember). A photogtapher and his wife were arrested.

I have my clients sending letters to Putin all the time (no, I didn;t suggest they do it. but they feel encouraged by the fact that it worked at least once). They are still waiting to hear back, though ;)

elenag
09-15-2005, 06:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by nick20045

there is an article on one of the sites. something about some man who wrote to the president.

problem is when a person is talking of having sent something like US$100 i do not think there is much chance.


Yes,that Australian. Putin ordered an arrest warrant for a scam group in Chelyaboinsk (or Yoshkar-Ola, I don't remember). A photogtapher and his wife were arrested.

I have my clients sending letters to Putin all the time (no, I didn;t suggest they do it. but they feel encouraged by the fact that it worked at least once). They are still waiting to hear back, though ;)

scam_hunter
09-15-2005, 08:15 PM
Of course there would have to be a verification. It was just an idea, off the cuff. I in no way encourage paying scammers to get scammers, come on! There just has to be a reasonable way of going after these scammers. The bounty idea just sounded good, IF it can be logistically worked out. Country's pay mercs to do theri work for them, so why can't an organization be founded to go after these whores?
This is suppose to be a forum of ideas and to assist others, not bashing each other. I've been scammed before, I have been heart-broken and experienced almost the full realm of the Russian Internet Dating scene, so I speak from experience.

Reggie Oglesby

scam_hunter
09-15-2005, 08:15 PM
Of course there would have to be a verification. It was just an idea, off the cuff. I in no way encourage paying scammers to get scammers, come on! There just has to be a reasonable way of going after these scammers. The bounty idea just sounded good, IF it can be logistically worked out. Country's pay mercs to do theri work for them, so why can't an organization be founded to go after these whores?
This is suppose to be a forum of ideas and to assist others, not bashing each other. I've been scammed before, I have been heart-broken and experienced almost the full realm of the Russian Internet Dating scene, so I speak from experience.

Reggie Oglesby

nick20045
09-15-2005, 08:39 PM
you can never verify that the job has been properly done. for a start, how do you know she even gave you the right address?

not the first time i have somebody tell me for example from samara and it turns out from yoshkar ola!!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
09-15-2005, 08:39 PM
you can never verify that the job has been properly done. for a start, how do you know she even gave you the right address?

not the first time i have somebody tell me for example from samara and it turns out from yoshkar ola!!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag
09-15-2005, 08:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by scam_hunter

Of course there would have to be a verification. It was just an idea, off the cuff.


Hunter,
If you have a couple of hours to spare, I invite you to read this thread:
http://www.rwguide.com/thread_27625.html

you might find it interesting.

elenag
09-15-2005, 08:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by scam_hunter

Of course there would have to be a verification. It was just an idea, off the cuff.


Hunter,
If you have a couple of hours to spare, I invite you to read this thread:
http://www.rwguide.com/thread_27625.html

you might find it interesting.

fafemtp
10-27-2005, 04:48 AM
If you use a credit card or debit card, you can call your bank and say you never authorized any charge. I know Bank of America will credit the money back into your account especially if your physical signature isn't on anything. I know a lot of people who do this with online casino sites after they lose. Western Union would actually be taking the loss though and probably wont come after you the first time. They could sue you though. Depends on the amount.

fafemtp
10-27-2005, 04:48 AM
If you use a credit card or debit card, you can call your bank and say you never authorized any charge. I know Bank of America will credit the money back into your account especially if your physical signature isn't on anything. I know a lot of people who do this with online casino sites after they lose. Western Union would actually be taking the loss though and probably wont come after you the first time. They could sue you though. Depends on the amount.

nick20045
10-27-2005, 06:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by fafemtp

If you use a credit card or debit card, you can call your bank and say you never authorized any charge. I know Bank of America will credit the money back into your account especially if your physical signature isn't on anything. I know a lot of people who do this with online casino sites after they lose. Western Union would actually be taking the loss though and probably wont come after you the first time. They could sue you though. Depends on the amount.

try and call western union first. i think it goes something like......

all calls are recorded for security and training purposes. western union cannot be held responsible for non receipt of services........ bla bla bla......

then they ask you if you are calling from a mobile or home number, then ask you name, address, telephone number, security number on your card..................

nope..... cannot get it back. sorry.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
10-27-2005, 06:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by fafemtp

If you use a credit card or debit card, you can call your bank and say you never authorized any charge. I know Bank of America will credit the money back into your account especially if your physical signature isn't on anything. I know a lot of people who do this with online casino sites after they lose. Western Union would actually be taking the loss though and probably wont come after you the first time. They could sue you though. Depends on the amount.

try and call western union first. i think it goes something like......

all calls are recorded for security and training purposes. western union cannot be held responsible for non receipt of services........ bla bla bla......

then they ask you if you are calling from a mobile or home number, then ask you name, address, telephone number, security number on your card..................

nope..... cannot get it back. sorry.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on