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wdh
10-29-2005, 04:08 AM
A buddy of mine (who I work with) received an instant message from a well-known dating site (Yes, he was at home). He could not respond as he was not registered but he took note of the email address that showed in the sender's window.

He sent an email. He received a reply. Reply one included pictures and a message from an apparently earnest Russian woman seeking love and companionship in the US. (Really cute!) He replied with his heart.

The second message arrived. It seemed too earnest to be true. He web-searched details about the email. I researched details about the email. Since this was Friday we spent some company time web-searching details about this second email.

We were pointed to this site.

At first, we were pointed here because of exact similarities in the email content. After searching further within this site (All hail Google) we were pointed to scammers that detailed the same residence address referenced in the second email. Searching further still, we found a picture on this site of a known scammer (under a different name) that had been emailed to my friend.

Through some now-not-so-astonishing hits, we have pretty much found what will be the contents of the third email. And money hasn't even been mentioned.

I've lightly surfed some of the posts in this forum. Everyone seems to assign a female gender to the perpetrator.

Do you think these pictures are randomly gleaned from the web BY the perpetrator? Or maybe the perp has an adorable little sister/friend/wife/f**kbuddy who is in on the deal? Or maybe the perp is indeed a gorgeous little Russian beauty looking to make some cash from American capitalist running dogs?

If the latter conditions are true, you could demand that the future bride hold up a card in a photo bearing your name for some minimal authenticity and they would be able to comply.

For all we know the scam artist is some bug-ridden dirtbag with a penchant for bad English Russian poetry in a wife-beater who surfs porn all day.

Whoever it is, I don't think we're through playing his/her game. I think we'll make him/her make as many futile trips to Western Union as we can.

In fact, I now know where the Western Union offices in their Russian town are located.

Let the games begin.

(Okay, maybe I need a life... but this is my friend.)

-Dave

fafemtp
10-29-2005, 04:51 AM
For all we know the scam artist is some bug-ridden dirtbag with a penchant for bad English Russian poetry in a wife-beater who surfs porn all day.
I'm willing to bet most of the scammers aren't even in Russia. You can pick up money anywear in the world with the MTCN number

fafemtp
10-29-2005, 04:51 AM
For all we know the scam artist is some bug-ridden dirtbag with a penchant for bad English Russian poetry in a wife-beater who surfs porn all day.
I'm willing to bet most of the scammers aren't even in Russia. You can pick up money anywear in the world with the MTCN number

wdh
10-29-2005, 05:13 AM
Interesting...

So the mark wires his money to Vladivostok and the guy in the wife-beater picks it up in Compton, CA?

Thanks, Faf.

-Dave

wdh
10-29-2005, 05:13 AM
Interesting...

So the mark wires his money to Vladivostok and the guy in the wife-beater picks it up in Compton, CA?

Thanks, Faf.

-Dave

Sonar
10-29-2005, 09:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by wdh

Interesting...

So the mark wires his money to Vladivostok and the guy in the wife-beater picks it up in Compton, CA?

Thanks, Faf.

-Dave
Very unlikely that these scams originate in the USA. Sure it's possible, but the scammer would be subject to prosecution here. In Russia, there are no such laws and anything goes. No legal recourse for you if you send money.
There are many different types of scammers in the FSU. Husband/Wife teams, Igor the taxi driver, Natasha and her boyfriend, ugly women posing as models, good looking women interested in your bank account,marriage agencys with half a million love starved women, the list is endless. 99.9% of these Russian women scams do originate in Russia.
Chances are that the scam letter that you received was also sent to 100 or maybe 1000 other guys. Use the header info and do an IP search. You can pinpoint the area in Russia where the letter originated. More than likely, the Bat E-mailer was used.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Sonar
10-29-2005, 09:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by wdh

Interesting...

So the mark wires his money to Vladivostok and the guy in the wife-beater picks it up in Compton, CA?

Thanks, Faf.

-Dave
Very unlikely that these scams originate in the USA. Sure it's possible, but the scammer would be subject to prosecution here. In Russia, there are no such laws and anything goes. No legal recourse for you if you send money.
There are many different types of scammers in the FSU. Husband/Wife teams, Igor the taxi driver, Natasha and her boyfriend, ugly women posing as models, good looking women interested in your bank account,marriage agencys with half a million love starved women, the list is endless. 99.9% of these Russian women scams do originate in Russia.
Chances are that the scam letter that you received was also sent to 100 or maybe 1000 other guys. Use the header info and do an IP search. You can pinpoint the area in Russia where the letter originated. More than likely, the Bat E-mailer was used.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Sonar
10-29-2005, 09:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by fafemtp


I'm willing to bet most of the scammers aren't even in Russia.
You are wrong.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Sonar
10-29-2005, 09:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by fafemtp


I'm willing to bet most of the scammers aren't even in Russia.
You are wrong.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

fafemtp
10-29-2005, 04:11 PM
your right, most likely it wouldn't originate in U.S. because you can file a complaint and the Government will help you if there is fraud involved, but don't be 100% sure. There are a lot of stupid people here too. Internet fraud is huge here, the FBI and every decent sized law enforcement agency in the country have ENTIRE departments, sections, and task forces just dedicated to online scams and fraud. They make thousands of arrests every week right here at home.

Russia, even though might be a disorganized dump, they still have some structure and are working on it. A lot of these organized scam rings or scammers originate all over the world, small third world countries. Especially Gibraltor. You can make an email look like it is coming out of timbuctu if you really want to. I would be interested to see where all money sent through western union to so called Russian brides was actually picked up. If you are a sender you can easily call western union and ask them where it was picked up.

fafemtp
10-29-2005, 04:11 PM
your right, most likely it wouldn't originate in U.S. because you can file a complaint and the Government will help you if there is fraud involved, but don't be 100% sure. There are a lot of stupid people here too. Internet fraud is huge here, the FBI and every decent sized law enforcement agency in the country have ENTIRE departments, sections, and task forces just dedicated to online scams and fraud. They make thousands of arrests every week right here at home.

Russia, even though might be a disorganized dump, they still have some structure and are working on it. A lot of these organized scam rings or scammers originate all over the world, small third world countries. Especially Gibraltor. You can make an email look like it is coming out of timbuctu if you really want to. I would be interested to see where all money sent through western union to so called Russian brides was actually picked up. If you are a sender you can easily call western union and ask them where it was picked up.

Sonar
10-30-2005, 01:02 AM
quote:Originally posted by fafemtp

your right, most likely it wouldn't originate in U.S. because you can file a complaint and the Government will help you if there is fraud involved, but don't be 100% sure. There are a lot of stupid people here too. Internet fraud is huge here, the FBI and every decent sized law enforcement agency in the country have ENTIRE departments, sections, and task forces just dedicated to online scams and fraud. They make thousands of arrests every week right here at home.

Russia, even though might be a disorganized dump, they still have some structure and are working on it. A lot of these organized scam rings or scammers originate all over the world, small third world countries. Especially Gibraltor. You can make an email look like it is coming out of timbuctu if you really want to. I would be interested to see where all money sent through western union to so called Russian brides was actually picked up. If you are a sender you can easily call western union and ask them where it was picked up.
Yeah, I see what you are driving at. Over the past 5 years Russian women scams have grown 1000 fold. There have been a few instances uncovered where the scam originated in non FSU countries. Several in Nigeria. And also a few right here in the USA. But the majority of them really are Russian women/men scamming the west.
The Russian and Ukrainian governments turn a blind eye and refuse to become involved. The reason is simple. Cash flow. Probably nothing significant enough to effect their GDP, but alot of western cash does flow into the FSU.
The internet scam (send me money for this and that) is only part of the story. You would be surprised at the amount of scam that occurs after a western guy has become involved in a relationship and made personal visits.
Anyone considering such a relationship with a Russian woman will need to be able to sort the BS from reality. Problem is that 99% fall into the BS category.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Sonar
10-30-2005, 01:02 AM
quote:Originally posted by fafemtp

your right, most likely it wouldn't originate in U.S. because you can file a complaint and the Government will help you if there is fraud involved, but don't be 100% sure. There are a lot of stupid people here too. Internet fraud is huge here, the FBI and every decent sized law enforcement agency in the country have ENTIRE departments, sections, and task forces just dedicated to online scams and fraud. They make thousands of arrests every week right here at home.

Russia, even though might be a disorganized dump, they still have some structure and are working on it. A lot of these organized scam rings or scammers originate all over the world, small third world countries. Especially Gibraltor. You can make an email look like it is coming out of timbuctu if you really want to. I would be interested to see where all money sent through western union to so called Russian brides was actually picked up. If you are a sender you can easily call western union and ask them where it was picked up.
Yeah, I see what you are driving at. Over the past 5 years Russian women scams have grown 1000 fold. There have been a few instances uncovered where the scam originated in non FSU countries. Several in Nigeria. And also a few right here in the USA. But the majority of them really are Russian women/men scamming the west.
The Russian and Ukrainian governments turn a blind eye and refuse to become involved. The reason is simple. Cash flow. Probably nothing significant enough to effect their GDP, but alot of western cash does flow into the FSU.
The internet scam (send me money for this and that) is only part of the story. You would be surprised at the amount of scam that occurs after a western guy has become involved in a relationship and made personal visits.
Anyone considering such a relationship with a Russian woman will need to be able to sort the BS from reality. Problem is that 99% fall into the BS category.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.