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andyjeal
11-08-2005, 05:50 PM
I'm 37 years old man who has a very honoranle job and that even looks good. In the last 3 months I was corresponding with a Russian woman which was "really beautiful & sensitive" - She became all my life, and we "planed" to meet in England for two and a half weeks. Unfortunately, I've sent her about 2,400$ dollars (for passport, visa, tickets, clothes, dentists etc.), and some gifts to the adress she gave me (I know she recieved that gifts, although it took about 6 weeks). I told her I'll give her a lot of money in our meeting. She called me 8 times and sounded really sweet and serious. I got about 50 letters from her and about 40 pictures of a simple nice Russian girl (not a model). About a week before the meeting, when everything was "closed" from my side to go out for a dreamed vacation in England with her, she tried to catch me on the phone (I was not home) and finally left some messages that she cannot come because her father made an accident. This week I was really shocked when I found all those sites about the "scammers" which were including her name everywhere and the same letters (+ -) she sent me. None of the pictures she sent me was in any of those sites. I'm
really sick of making mistakes and don't know what I should do now. I don't know, I have so many questions... - If this woman knew that she's gonna have everything from me, as she knows about my very good economic situation and she has a lot of my pictures, why did she give it up so fast, why didn't she tried the relations with me ? (I was really nice to her). If the woman in the pictures is not the same "woman" who wrote me, so where are all this pictures came from and who is the really sweet girl that has phoned me and talked to me so many times ?, If she's a scammer, why did she called me so many times and left her voice so many times on my electronic secretary ?, How could she take the money from "Western union" if it's not her ?, Why did she gave up the trip to England if she could abuse me there (She knew I'm gonna give her a lot of good time and a lot of money there!)? etc., etc., etc.. I'm sorry, I'm so confused. I was sure I'm really briliant until this case happened to me. What you suuggest me to do now ? (She called me last night and was really sweet)- I will be really grateful if you answer me and give me your advise, Andy.

nick20045
11-08-2005, 06:55 PM
Q1: I told her I'll give her a lot of money in our meeting.

A1: a fool and his money are soon parted. you bragged. she took. also learn one thing..... "cannot buy love".

Q2:I've sent her about 2,400$ dollars.

A2: and most probably she said Thank you very much as well.

Q3: her father made an accident.

A3: no her father brought to the world a good scammer. you made the accident of thinking you can buy a woman with promises of cash.

Q4: I'm really sick of making mistakes and don't know what I should do now.

A4: eat humble pie. learn from mistakes. read posts. ask for advise. even if you trace her, maximum is she will get arrested. as to getting money back, dream on.

Q5: If this woman knew that she's gonna have everything from me, as she knows about my very good economic situation and she has a lot of my pictures, why did she give it up so fast, why didn't she tried the relations with me ?

A5: can't buy love.

Q6: If the woman in the pictures is not the same "woman" who wrote me, so where are all this pictures came from and who is the really sweet girl that has phoned me and talked to me so many times ?,

A6: internet and god knows who the really sweet girl is. she is not so sweet scamming you though. :D

Q7: If she's a scammer, why did she called me so many times and left her voice so many times on my electronic secretary.

A7: what do you expect? try and send another US$2400 and see how fast she phones!!!

Q8: Why did she gave up the trip to England if she could abuse me there (She knew I'm gonna give her a lot of good time and a lot of money there!)?

A8: maybe she thought she will be used and abused. and incidentally, did you read conditions to get a tourist visa for a russian for england? she would have been refused a visa.

p.s. can i send you a few photos of a nice woman and you send me US$2400? thanks in advance. my name is really Olga. :D:D:D



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Detective
11-08-2005, 08:52 PM
This is a proof how russians are bad..... you hear tons of stories like this..... they are just a mafia,
whoever is talking about the crimes in America should turn his head east and look at all these crimes in russia..... A fool is not the one who sends money to somelse he doesn't know otherwise everybody who give money to the red cross or whatever is a fool. I do not agree... I think a nice and honest guy is not a fool.... the russians are the ones who make him look fool... If you work with crap you smell like crap.... not because you are a crap but because you are dealing with ****ty russians....
Go to Hell ****ing scammers..... you ruined all the beauty of russia...

Sonar
11-08-2005, 09:11 PM
Seems that andyjeal doesn't understand the Russian mentality very well. If you send $2400 one thousand times to one thousand different Russian women, you will be scammed 1000 times. Why the hell didn't you just go there and meet her in person first??

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

andyjeal
11-08-2005, 11:13 PM
First of all, thanks to all of you, even to you Nick who almost shot me right in the head.
Nick, maybe instead of criticise all the victims here, you'll give some good advices how we can punish or revange all those scammers, eh...?. I'm an honest man who just tried his luck and believed that relations can succeeed even if they began in the internet - I was maybe naive, but I don't think I'm a fool, as I've just taken a chance - What could I said to a "nice" woman that earns 90$ a month if I wanted to meet her for my own interest - "Try to save money in the next height-nine years, then I'll meet you...???" - Come on, be serious...!.
Detective, thank you for your support...! - Look how many "victims" we have here, it's amazing ! - Can it be that all the world is fool except the Russians ? - It's a matter of norms and values, no doubt it is !.
For my third friend (sorry for not remember his name ) - Why should I go to Russia if I have other normal places ? - To be killed there...? to have a meeting with myself ?. I wanted this "woman" to be abroad for the first time in her life, I tried to be nice to her, not to buy her.
By the way, none of you explained to me how could she send me so many pictures of her for the last three months.

nick20045
11-08-2005, 11:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

First of all, thanks to all of you, even to you Nick who almost shot me right in the head.

darn..... did i miss???? sorry but, unfortunately what i said is the truth. you showed your money and told her how much you have. she took you for a ride.



quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

Nick, maybe instead of criticise all the victims here, you'll give some good advices how we can punish or revange all those scammers, eh...?.

you seen the size or russia?!!!! writing to somebody who is a scammer, uses different aliases and most probably free e mail addresses???

what you can find is how to not be scammed again. and how to? very simple. there are a lot of posts to read. scam scenarios. what to look for. sorry...... but you expect me to say "put your head on my shoulder"??? for what ever way you did anything, you "jumped in. you told about how much money you have and tried to buy her with expensive gifts and offerings".

did you read anything about their customs? about their traditions? mentality? visas needed? scams going on?

before i even wrote to my first one i did about 2 weeks reading. go to google and type in "scammers", "russian scammers". there is a lot to read.

also have you read about age differences? what to look for? what to avoid? let us see..... if you send flowers do you send odd or even numbers?

so you thought you will "cut the work". write to a girl and show off about what a lifestyle you can offer. sorry. you are not going to get any sympathy from me.



quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

What could I said to a "nice" woman that earns 90$ a month if I wanted to meet her for my own interest - "Try to save money in the next height-nine years, then I'll meet you...???" - Come on, be serious...!.


ok. NO 1. read about visas. if a "nice" woman, who has the morality of a high priestess, will NEVER dream of scamming, is the most desirable woman in the world, has the utmost of serious intentions confirmed in writing on oath before a notary, a judge and a lawyer.......

tries to get a visa for england and she says "i earn US$90 a month"......

she WILL NOT GET A VISA. and if she says "i have a sponsor who has millions" she WILL NOT GET A VISA. go to the uk immigration site and read. let me explain to you......

bulgarian. i have known her for about 2 years. she wanted to visit england for 2 weeks. i (personally) went with her to the embassy. we filled the forms in. fee. passport.......

i supplied a copy of my driving licence to show residence and where she will be staying. also copy of my passport.

two copies of utilities bills.

copies of my credit card statements and credit limits to prove i can look after her.

letter of invitation.

letter confirming i will have her stay at my home, she will be fed. she will be taxi'd round the country. all she needs is for clothes and souveniers.

copy of my bank account (current).

copy of my bank account (savings).

copy of declaration, signed in front of a solicitor confirming i accept the penalty imposed if she does not leave the country. (6 months prison and ?5,000 fine).

she showed US$1000 to live on for two weeks.

REFUSED.

basis? she did not have sufficient income from employers to prove she will not try and become an illegal immigrant.

before you went and sent this US$2400 did you check any of this? and your story has flaws as well.....

you say you were flying to england. she was flying to england. did she have hotel vouchers? flight tickets? visa?

did you check with the airline if at least she was booked? in my opinion, you went and threw some money at her and hey bingo! now lets meet and have sex.

have you looked at the custom of russia? what did you do? book a double room in some hotel? jeezzzzzz!!!! a decent russian girl will not kiss you for at least 3 or 4 days. mine took 5 days before she would even let me kiss her. but...... once we did kiss...... blimey!!! ;););) and the one before her, same thing. would not kiss until at least 3 days.

so what did you do? book a double room in some london hotel? to a decent woman that looks like you "want to buy her for a couple of weeks of escorting and sex". or as they will look at it "a puta".


quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

Detective, thank you for your support...! - Look how many "victims" we have here, it's amazing ! - Can it be that all the world is fool except the Russians ? - It's a matter of norms and values, no doubt it is !.

forget about him. he is just on here to post when he is on "happy baccy". i might be a nutcase and a sarcastic person. he is deprived of any decent mental functions.


quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

For my third friend (sorry for not remember his name ) - Why should I go to Russia if I have other normal places ? - To be killed there...?

jeez!!!!!! guys!!!! what is this thing about "being killed". i have been there. and what is all this????

"i want to find my princess but i do not wish to risk my life"......

what happended to the man having "balls" and "protecting the woman"???? you come over as "the woman has to protect me"!!!! so what are you telling me???????

you find a woman of your dreams. you get married. she is being attacked and you scream "i do not want to risk my life"???

this is a country where a man is a man and a woman is a woman. you want her? you are with her. her ex comes over and they start bitching. you say "excuse me..... i wish to say something" and you head butt the ex, break his bleeding nose and tell him to get lost.....



quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

I tried to be nice to her, not to buy her.

hide it as you want. you wanted to buy her. and how??? read my post below. copy of a letter i just got from my girl. notice the difference....



quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

By the way, none of you explained to me how could she send me so many pictures of her for the last three months.

a: are they "real pictures" or illusions? i can send you pictures of 3 different women. are they same person? or because of what you want to believe they are same person.

b: so what? at US$2400 a shot, she can afford a private photograher. please next time send her US$5000. we may see gold guilded photos of her. come on!!!! you not heard of digital cameras!!!! in one day can take 2000 photos and cost nothing. just download to a pc.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Chedz
11-08-2005, 11:58 PM
Andy,

don't know how to break this to you dude but just cos you got pictures and just cos you got phone calls doesn't mean that the girl you thought you knew even exists. The pictures are probably taken by some big ugly russian guy, who just uses them to keep you interested. The phone calls could be from anyone he knows, and pays, to make them.

Like Nick said she would never in a million years have been accepted for a Visa to the UK, especially if she has never been abroad before. Maybe in a few years she could, cos by then you would have sent her enough money to make her independently wealthy!!!!!!! [V]

As everyone on here will tell you never send money. If guys like you didn't send money then there would be no such thing as Russian scammers.

Send it to Olga (above) and then <s>he</s>, sorry SHE can share it with me.

Better luck next time dude

nick20045
11-09-2005, 12:03 AM
notice the difference.......

from my girls letter....

quote:
To eat at home, I think, this will be enough 150-200$ for 2 weeks. We cannot go to a restaurant and cook the holiday supper at home. In a restaurant it will cost approximately 100-150$ for 3 persons. This will be depend on, what will be a restaurant and what we shall eat and drink. Bowling costs approximately 700-900 rubles for 1 track for 1 hour. Theatre costs approximately 100-200 rubles 1 ticket. I do not know while, what museum there is in Kazan, but it is not expensive too, as the theatre.
end quote:

and i can still "trash this". 150 -200$ for 2 weeks.... she is looking at "high class home cooked meals". but restaurants.... US$50 a person.... now that tells me she is not after spending my money.

quote:
Do not worry, that you have little money. We can walk simply. I want to see you simply and I do not need for expensive amusements and restaurants. Believe me, we shall find, what to do together. I shall be distressed very much, if you will not arrive in December. But in any event, you must do, how for you will be comfortable. OK?

end quote:

now sit down. read what she wrote me. read what yours wrote you. notice the difference between a good decent woman, and a scammer.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Giles
11-09-2005, 12:09 AM
Sorry again.

Just saw the bit about Kazan.

But I've had an Olga from Kazan contact me from elitemate.
Nick dont take the pee. but what is it about Kazan ?



Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

nick20045
11-09-2005, 12:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chedz



Send it to Olga (above) and then <s>he</s>, sorry SHE can share it with me.


ok Chedz....

Olga now sends you a kiss......

my darling Chedz. today i woke and i first looked at the nice robin singing..... his song was so sweet.... it reminded me of our love for each other.......

then my dad came banging in the room and said "hey you scammer..... get your backside back to work". :D:D:D

LOL!!!!!



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Giles
11-09-2005, 12:16 AM
think we should stop this. just sent u an email.

members my get offeneded.

sent you an email. LOL

:D

Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

nick20045
11-09-2005, 12:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by Giles

Sorry again.

Just saw the bit about Kazan.

But I've had an Olga from Kazan contact me from elitemate.
Nick dont take the pee. but what is it about Kazan ?



Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.


nothing about kazan. as far as i can understand they are just a mental lot, live in this thing called Mari El republic. got load of lazy arsebones that live in yoshkar ola who are scammers.

they seem to have their own celebrations. (think they class themselves as tartar).

will be there soon. hopefully in december. mine lives close to kazan. but..... she seems pretty ok.

and believe me..... i have taken loads of precautions. but........

take it as it goes.

oh and Giles......

most women in kazan have nice legs and love anal. ;)



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Giles
11-09-2005, 12:23 AM
sending you mail from one about legs.

Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

nick20045
11-09-2005, 12:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by Giles

think we should stop this. just sent u an email.

members my get offeneded.

sent you an email. LOL

:D

Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.



for the ones who are not up to date:

Giles = Yuri

nick20045 = Olga

Chedz = the pimp for Olga

:D:D:D:D:D

the saga will continue later folks. for now please watch the adverts.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Chedz
11-09-2005, 12:31 AM
and you told me you were Yuri Pitt!!!!!

So where's my cut then Olga? don't make me slap you biatch!!!!!!!

Did I see anal mentioned earlier?
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be gone for a bit, do a search: Country = Russia. City = Kazan

Don't wait up

nick20045
11-09-2005, 12:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chedz

and you told me you were Yuri Pitt!!!!!

So where's my cut then Olga? don't make me slap you biatch!!!!!!!

Did I see anal mentioned earlier?
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be gone for a bit, do a search: Country = Russia. City = Kazan

Don't wait up


ohhhhh please...... wait until i get my next $2000!!!!

yuri clooney..... you forget..... i love you like the bird loves the freedom. i dream of you as anybody will dream of the stars that glow. by the way.....

Country = Russia. City = Kazan. How to = Anal. :D

Love

Olga.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Chedz
11-09-2005, 12:53 AM
Olga,

be a babe will you and tell me the russian for anal. All I got on a search was a bunch of "analysts" or is that the same? :D

P.S. and dont tell me you love me you havent even got one of your english speaking friends to ring me yet :D

Detective
11-09-2005, 12:54 AM
Hey Mr londonian,
I am not gonna argue with you....you are intelligent guy and I can say that very loud and you have very good knowledge and common sens but the way you say things make people feel dumb! I am certainly not talking about myself coz I don't really care about that at all.... I know who I am and I can tell ya that my opinion towards russians is a bit exagerated....it's exactly the same way you tell your point of view.... However, you criticize the americans and the western girls and you praise the russians.... I think that overall a human is a human whether russian or american.... Let's not focus on this. Let's be wise enough and talk in a professional way. What is common between us on this forum is the need to have a nice and happy family....and that is why we are looking everywhere on earth burning all the bridges to find a good one. My experience along with the others prove that the russian people (boys/girls/scammers...etc) are on top of the black list..... and these people are bascially behaving in an evil way..... You r right when you say that the mistake is ours....this I agree with you.... BUT the problem is we are honest and we expect everybody to be honest.... I am not talking about myself... I was honest but now I can tell ya I am an asshole.... I wasn't scammed because I used a detective.... But not I am thinking what the hell is all this about??? To have a russian wife?!!? forget it.... And I am kinda proud of people like you who put these idiots in the place the deserve.....
Do not think I have a mental disorder.....you sometimes write pearls and sometimes write ridiculous stuff!!! Do not waste your intelligence my friend.... and Carry on ruining the russians life...
Seeya

Chedz
11-09-2005, 01:00 AM
I think you two have a real chance, I've watched your relationship develope on here. I think you should get a room girls :D Maybe Andy will pay for it[?]

nick20045
11-09-2005, 01:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chedz

Olga,

be a babe will you and tell me the russian for anal. All I got on a search was a bunch of "analysts" or is that the same? :D

P.S. and dont tell me you love me you havent even got one of your english speaking friends to ring me yet :D

http://vipdama.ru/

http://fa.com.ru/

http://translation.paralink.com/translation.asp

think it is called "analyiyn" or something like that. and you can have fun about "shower of gold" :D

bring up the profile. then cut and paste it into web translations.

GILES!!!!!

go to bed!!!! OK!!!!



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
11-09-2005, 01:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chedz

I think you should get a room girls :D Maybe Andy will pay for it[?]

no way! she's a right bitch!!! :D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
11-09-2005, 01:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

Hey Mr londonian,

cool..... did you EVER read any of my posts????

i am not from london. actually i am from a country that is 1280 miles from london!!!!



quote:Originally posted by Detective

I am not gonna argue with you....you are intelligent guy and I can say that very loud and you have very good knowledge and common sens but the way you say things make people feel dumb!

i talk as i deem fit. it is called "love me. hate me. but at least i do not mess you about".



quote:Originally posted by Detective

I am certainly not talking about myself coz I don't really care about that at all.... I know who I am and I can tell ya that my opinion towards russians is a bit exagerated....


cool. i love understatements.



quote:Originally posted by Detective

However, you criticize the americans and the western girls and you praise the russians....

no! i note what is being said and i try to keep a medium. and i do NOT criticise the americans and western girls. neither do i praise the russians.

if i see a post that i think is not fair i will revert. in most of your posts you "praised americans/canadians/australians" and you "tried to tear apart russians". so i "fought" for the "picked on". you took sides. i took sides.


quote:Originally posted by Detective

I think that overall a human is a human whether russian or american.... Let's not focus on this. Let's be wise enough and talk in a professional way. What is common between us on this forum is the need to have a nice and happy family....and that is why we are looking everywhere on earth burning all the bridges to find a good one.


ok.... so be it.



quote:Originally posted by Detective

My experience along with the others prove that the russian people (boys/girls/scammers...etc) are on top of the black list..... and these people are bascially behaving in an evil way.....

ok. so here is a question. WHY THE FLEEKING HECK ARE YOU ON HERE? GO AND FIND A CUBAN/MEXICAN/CANADIAN or whatever girl that lives in good old USA.

you say you are not american by birth....... jeezzzzz man!!!!! you are already "sorting out nationalities by stereotypes!!!!!" get a life will you!!!! last i heard that was in the cold war when used to get congress hearings......

yo john travolta. you are accused of being communist.

no i am not.

shoot the twat just to be on the safe side.

yo! frank sinatra. you are accused of being communist.

no i am in the mafia. i cannot then be communist.

for heavens sake!!!!





quote:Originally posted by Detective

BUT the problem is we are honest and we expect everybody to be honest....

cough cough!!! you trying to kill me!!!!



quote:Originally posted by Detective

I was honest but now I can tell ya I am an asshole....

ok. my local hospital, while monitoring my heart for any more problems have let me post..........

jeezzzzz!!! did you have to tell the truth!!! you nearly killed me!!!


quote:Originally posted by Detective


Do not think I have a mental disorder.....you sometimes write pearls and sometimes write ridiculous stuff!!! Do not waste your intelligence my friend.... and Carry on ruining the russians life...
Seeya

contradicing yourself..... oh well..... signs of schrizophoneinia....





to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

lonelyboy
11-09-2005, 04:42 AM
Sorry Andyjeal,

You have fallen victim to a very common scam. Unfortunately such happens all the time and Yuri gets fatter and fatter...
Probably only 10 % of all such scams will be published on scamming sites. The victims are often very desperate and never contact any black lists or sites like this. And many of them do not even know about these.
And you will never get back your money ! It is lost. These guys or mafia is even protected by Russian police.
Also WU warns that NEVER SEND MONEY to any unknown people and takes no responsibility of lost money. That's why scammers use their services....

To Nick. Are you from Russia ??!!

Detective
11-09-2005, 04:48 AM
Go and read about schizophrenia....and then talk about it...
Seeya

Chedz
11-09-2005, 08:40 AM
I used to be schizophrenic. Now I'm cured where am I when I need me? :D

Detective
11-09-2005, 11:06 AM
hehe, good try![:p]... unfortunately this is NOT schizophrenia.... sorry:D,
Anyways, you will get there my friend..... and to your knowledge Mr nick20045... "PARANOIA" is a major symptom of schizophrenia.... and I am sure u know what schizophrenia is....and it can never be cured...
:(:(

Chedz
11-09-2005, 12:04 PM
Just because someone is suffering from paranoia doesn't mean they DO NOT have enemies :D

nick20045
11-09-2005, 03:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chedz

Just because someone is suffering from paranoia doesn't mean they DO NOT have enemies :D

Chedz. please do not bitch slap me again. :D:D i promise to be a good scammer but i need some new thongas for more photos. i need to look sexy. :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
11-09-2005, 03:23 PM
incidentally, i do not need paranoia or whatever. i have got a russian girlfriend. ok, she may not have the most georgeous face (but she is not bad looking either). ok she is not 20 years old but she is 33. but i am happy with her.

if i am going to meet her and she says she is prepared to just stay in the apartment or go for walks so i do not need money to be with her...... guess she cannot scam me can she? so yeah, good ones do exist.

now lets see how fast she dumps me. LOL.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045
11-09-2005, 03:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

hehe, good try![:p]... unfortunately this is NOT schizophrenia.... sorry:D,
Anyways, you will get there my friend..... and to your knowledge Mr nick20045... "PARANOIA" is a major symptom of schizophrenia.... and I am sure u know what schizophrenia is....and it can never be cured...
:(:(


you have just confirmed your illness. check all your posts. if that is not paranoia against russians then what is paranois???????!!!!!!



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Detective
11-09-2005, 06:53 PM
You said I am paranoid.... fine, I might be.... but let me defend scientifically my point.
Paranoia my friend is when you are doubtful in many ways....and there is no solid evidence for that..... what the hell??? Don't I have solid evidence that internet relationship, at the best, doesn't work???? how come if she is russian???? How come if she cannot get a visa????? By the way....why can't she get a visa in your opinion??? I know the answer but have you my british friend thought about that??? You think with all your supporters here, with all my respect, know more than the british/canadian/american governments???? Do you think that these governments are idiots.... You might think I am an idiot and I agree with that because you don't know me.....
How often do you want to see your GF????? I think everyday.... how can you have a healthy relationship with someone you see once a while???? hehe.... this is ridiculous. I do not understand why you focus on one thing... just look at different things.... There is no chance, not even zero, at the best to have a strong relationship.
You mentioned to the poor honest guy that he is buying love when he sent her the money..... Is it possible not to spend money on a girl you like in order to win her heart??? I agree he shouldn't have sent money and even more.... he shouldn't have contacted anyone through the internet..... coz it's just ridiculous.
Seeya

nick20045
11-09-2005, 08:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by Detective


Don't I have solid evidence that internet relationship, at the best, doesn't work????

yep. same for internet relationships on uk sites, american sites, canadian sites, australian sites. so on the basis of your belief, a woman in say washington dc cannot have a relationship with say somebody in florida or texas. because of a: internet. b: long distance. c: in the case of texas because they hate yankees. :D:D



quote:Originally posted by Detective

how come if she is russian???? How come if she cannot get a visa????? By the way....why can't she get a visa in your opinion???

you called russians retards? have you NOT read? go to google and type in "visa to england" and look up the british goverment site for visas and the requirements. jeezzzz!!!


quote:Originally posted by Detective


You think with all your supporters here,

cool! i will get a "nick20045 supporters tee shirt". logos please :D:D:D


quote:Originally posted by Detective


know more than the british/canadian/american governments????

yes. why otherwise are so many countries in such chaos? let us see.....

they go and write off billions of dollars from the money owed by 3rd world countries. then they have billions of grains of wheat, in warehouses for the kind feeding of mice and rats. stored there to keep the price of wheat stable. they give subsidies to farmers to not grow crop to keep prices stable, yet why not grow crop and send it to third world countries? adverts on the telly. send ?5 a month to the rspca (royal society for protection against cruelty to animals) yet, send ?2 for the nspcc (national society for protection against cruelty to children). who the heck comes up with these!!!! how the heck can anybody justify paying ?55 million to the EU!!! yet you have homeless people? how can you justify a known child molester getting legal aid with his court bills and running a bill of say a quarter of a million when charged with child molestation again?


quote:Originally posted by Detective


Do you think that these governments are idiots....

yes. ours is called Blair. yours is called Bush. the population are more idiots for bringing them to power. but hey!! guess it is called "choose the lesser of both evils" when it comes to voting.


quote:Originally posted by Detective


How often do you want to see your GF????? I think everyday....


no thank you. two weeks every 3 months is good enough for me. i love my freedom as well. ;);) besides she is a red head and has a fiery temper.



quote:Originally posted by Detective

Is it possible not to spend money on a girl you like in order to win her heart??? I agree he shouldn't have sent money

nope. send her flowers. send her a box of choclates. sending her US$2400 is downright stupid.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

peterdragon
11-10-2005, 01:18 AM
not all scammers are in russia just the pics are russian ..but if you think they all come from russia you are wrong

Detective
11-10-2005, 01:52 AM
definitely they are not in russia.... I am sure they are not. Unfortunately they are everywhere just like a virus.... and now I think it will get more popular... for example, there is a new subspecialty now..... look at the website.... tons and tons of people are claiming they're detectives and I think most of these are also scammers..... what the hell is this world??? it is just ridiculous. You have to be careful even in whatever you do.... and the good thing about love is that you cannot be doubtful and in love at the same time.... this is just ridiculous.... If you have 1% doubt then forget it..... you're getting nowhere.
My opinion is go and look in your area for a girl, you will find one. Russia aint better and russians are well known to be arrogant and greedy.... Do not look for a flower in the washroom... if you find one there it will smell like ****....
Seeya

nick20045
11-10-2005, 02:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

Russia aint better and russians are well known to be arrogant and greedy.... Do not look for a flower in the washroom... if you find one there it will smell like ****....
Seeya

i'm not going to say no more except i wait for elenag to post her comments considering this "foul mouths" her native country. at the end of the day, she IS russian married to an american.

elenag.... please post your comments. i have "defended" the russian considering my girlfriend is russian. i now wait to see your comments about your "motherland".



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

lonelyboy
11-10-2005, 12:22 PM
Well, maybe I could tell you now here how I was scammed once.
I lived in Petersburg for 7 months for work.
I met a beautiful young Russian girl, age 23. Actually she caught me at the nightclub...Well, I liked her and we met often. But every time she tried to fool me a little bit. She was very clever and never asked a lot but wanted to a good restaurant, concerts etc. Of course I had to pay all every time. After about 2 months' friendship she told me that she could rent a nice flat. She asked if I could lend her 300 $, she would pay back as soon as she got work soon.
Well, I did. Ofcourse I could also visit there and even sleep sometimes if I needed a place. But I never had sex with her. She did not want. Either she had a boyfriend or she was strange in that respect. We knew each other for more than 2 years and she even visited me in my home country when I was back home from Pburg.
Anyway all the time she was very determined and I had to do and use MY MONEY as she asked ! Well once we met again in Pburg and she asked for 100 $ for help. I did not give. I was offended because she never even mentioned how to pay her 300 $ debt back. After that she did not contact me anymore. Neither wanted I. During our friendship I lost gradually quite a lot of money. But finally did not want to "dance" according to her will anymore.
So one warning which I learnt. NEVER EVEN LEND MONEY to a Russian woman if you do not completely trust her. Probably you will never get your money back !

nick20045
11-10-2005, 12:32 PM
and all that time and you NEVER had a "legover"!!!

jeez!!! you are one very patient man! and by the way i like the part where you say "But finally did not want to "dance" according to her will anymore".

you are the man. you control the situation. otherwise you will loose control and that means, your senses and your wallet. you should have done that from the start. if she has any problems, move on.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Detective
11-10-2005, 02:11 PM
Listen Nick20045,
You are always focusing on ridiculous things.... you are trying to tell everybody that I hate the russians.... yes I do and I have no problem at all. We live in a free country, canada, and I am allowed to say my opinion. If you don't like that it's fine with me. As for the russian girl you're talking about, who is married to an american, I respect her a lot although she said I need a professional help coz in her opinion I am a racist. And Being in canada, I learned to accept negative comments more than the positive. I understand her very well... she is not supposed to like or dislike me... and I do not expect her to like the way I talk.
I respect her a lot though.... she is determined and she seems to be nice lady.... I do not judge people based on what they say my friend... and I can recall that when you insulted ridiculously the other Bahrain guy she says: THERE WAS NO NEED TO YOUR RIDICULOUS COMMENTS. She is an honest lady, determined, and I appreciate her. Having said she doesn't like me or she thinks I need a professional help DOES NOT piss me off.... she kinda react to what she reads and she has the right to defend her country and this is an excellent thing.... at least this nice lady respects her country contrary to others. In her opinion I need help, fine.... Let me tell you and her the following:
First of all, you start learning about a problem, then you start figuring out some risk factors that coz the problem, then you start learning about the process of the problem and the natural outcome. After that you start experimenting some kinda treatment or solution to the problem..... and with time, based on the input you have, the processing in your brains you come up with hypothesis. The hypothesis is then tested....it might be wrong and you still have to accept that.... Lot of studies consume huge amount of money and determination....and most of them are useless or proven to be wrong later on. If I am wrong, this is not a problem.... I will say I am sorry and I will change my thoughts.... Being stubborn is a very bad quality in humans...and that's why some people are better than the others.....
Based on the input she has from me regarding her country and your input too trying to focus on specific things that I said in a bad way, and because she loves her country and I like that in her, she came up to a conclusion that I need a professional help.... and she said that in a very good way.... No one is perfect and everybody needs help.... Maybe based on her experience I need help but this does not mean anything..... to come up with a conclusion you have to know about the problem...and if you say for example that I need help I consider it useless.... No evidence for what you say my friend.... When in doubt whether I need help or not, you should ask why I am saying that and see.... You might be wrong as well....and if you and her think that I am wrong that's fine with me.... I told you I do not care about non-evidence based conclusions.

nick20045
11-10-2005, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

she kinda react to what she reads and she has the right to defend her country and this is an excellent thing.... at least this nice lady respects her country contrary to others.


when the germans attacked russia, i would have liked to see stalin stand up and say:

this person (hitler) needs serious professional medical help. just ignore him. :D:D:D

incidentally, hitler was racist as well.

but last and not least, you came in, shooting your mouth off about russians. calling them all scammers, common, uneducated and all sort of things. well same as in canada, freedom of speech is allowed here in england. you did not consider one thing. when you said all this, you were indirectly calling my girlfriend all those names. so same way you dished the "muck" i threw it back at you.

now be a good boy. look out of the window and see if you can see those nice men in white uniforms carrying a straighjacket for you. that is your taxi to your next place of residence. the looney house.




to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Jag
11-10-2005, 10:16 PM
I think this guy has to lift his ass and to arrive to Russia. At least he will see with whom he was dealing all this time

andyjeal
11-10-2005, 10:28 PM
Jag, who are u talking about ?

Jag
11-10-2005, 10:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

Jag, who are u talking about ?

about you... why not to travel in Russia to meet her there? Instead of to doubt all time you can suddenly pop up in front of her face

nick20045
11-10-2005, 11:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jag


quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

Jag, who are u talking about ?

about you... why not to travel in Russia to meet her there? Instead of to doubt all time you can suddenly pop up in front of her face

good call.

i have been to russia. and i tell you what......

i hated moscow. but once you are out of moscow it is a very nice place to visit.

i had a girl in a shop take about 20 minutes try to explain to me how to find a bank. will you get that in a western country? heck no!

i had a woman that spoke no english but understood the word bank. she took me by the hand and made me follow her. then talking in russian she kept pointing at a building. looking at my dumbfounded look, she took me by the hand again and took me to the front door and said "bank".

now tell me which western woman will do that?! go out of her way to help a person out? i gave her 200 roubles. i think she asked me to marry her! well got enough hugs for it!:D

russia is ok. just be a little bit savvy and street smart. wallet in front pocket. not too much cash flashed about. cash and credit cards in seperate pockets..... but heck!!! that applies to spain, italy, france, holland!!!





to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Sonar
11-11-2005, 10:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by nick20045


quote:Originally posted by Jag


quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

Jag, who are u talking about ?

about you... why not to travel in Russia to meet her there? Instead of to doubt all time you can suddenly pop up in front of her face

good call.

i have been to russia. and i tell you what......

i hated moscow. but once you are out of moscow it is a very nice place to visit.
What is it about Moscow that you hate and where did you visit outside of Moscow? How many times have you been there??

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

andyjeal
11-11-2005, 12:44 PM
Jag, do ya really think it is smart to go to Russia without knowing yet if the girl who is corresponding with u is a real girl or a scammer. is it wise to take the risk of spending your time and money for maybe nothing ? I lost 2,400$, i'm not gonna spend a peny more if i'm not sure she's real. i think it's about time to know more real facts before going and trying to meet someone that you are not sure of her / his identity. if i'm dealling with criminals, just guess what can happen to me out there in their theritory... it's not so easy, man...

nick20045
11-11-2005, 01:14 PM
@Sonar

moscovites i found to be somewhat arrogant (oops that is a word i suffer from myself ;)). for example:

when i was booking the hotel i notice the difference between a single bedroom and a twin was minimal. so i ordered a double bed room. specifying REPEATEDLY that it must be a double bed and not a twin room.

when i got to the hotel i got given a twin bedded room (which being by myself is no good). when i went to reception they send to the tourist booking side. tourist booking side said cannot even find the booking. to which i showed them the key. basically if i have a key how can i not have a booking? then she went in. sat down. drank her tea or coffee (whatever it was). you get "no speak english". then point at reception. then reception have to wait until somebody who speaks english is free. then get arrogant replies like "you are wrong. it say two beds". then they talk to each other in russian. go into the office. keep waiting. come back out. then send back to the other side to make inquiries.....you have to appriciate i had been travelling for about 14 hours and least thing i wanted was all this hassle. i called the 24 hour service from the agency. was promised they will action it and to wait in the hotel room for their phone call. 3 hours later i called them back to see what was happening. (i could not even unpack in case get a room change). get the run around. no speak english one minute. about half an hour on the phone i get a girl who tells me "the hotel is full. you have to stay in your room".

driving in moscow is atrocious. 4x4 driving on pavements!! i have been in countries where driving is bad but moscow!!!!

taxi driver did not help either! he did not speak english. (i got him through an agency).

prices are over inflated. a 35mm camera which i can get in england for about US$20 was about US$50! food is also expensive. internet cafes will try and con you. pay for an hour and get only 30 minutes. when ask why "no speak english". anybody who knows is in the wrong "no speak english". they speak english when taking your money. they forget it when they want to.

i spent 8 days in Yaroslavl. great place. yeah you find the odd drunk sleeping on the grass or on a pavement. but as a place, the churches and places to see, it was lovely. and people are friendlier as well.

@andyjeal

1: first meet/trip do NOT book an apartment. book a hotel.

a: they will do the visa registering for you.
b: if she turns out to be Yuri or a scammer or something else you can pack your bags and find another hotel.

2: you NEVER go without a backup. you should have about 2 or 3 women from same area you write to. you fix things up with one. the other two it is "i may come to russia. if i am there what is your mobile number?"

if girl 1 fails to come, meet you, turns out to be ugly as sin, or has yuri with her, you move hotels and phone girl no 2 and you say "surprise! i am in your town. do you want to meet me? what time do you finish work?"

it is called "being savvy" and using your head.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Sonar
11-11-2005, 04:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by nick20045

@Sonar

moscovites i found to be somewhat arrogant

driving in moscow is atrocious.
Yeah Nick, Moscovites can be somewhat arrogant at times. I have dealt with it myself several times.
And driving in Moscow is just crazy. Almost everything is right turn only and if you make a mistake, you can end up on a 2 hour unexpected excursion for sure.
But the nightlife in Moscow is incredible if you go to the right places. I always manage to have a good time there, but it helps to have a girl that knows her way around some of the rip off artists.
I really just enjoy the country as a whole. It's a pleasure to go to some of the smaller cities also. Every place there is different in it's own way.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

nick20045
11-11-2005, 04:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Sonar


quote:Originally posted by nick20045

@Sonar

moscovites i found to be somewhat arrogant

driving in moscow is atrocious.
Yeah Nick, Moscovites can be somewhat arrogant at times. I have dealt with it myself several times.
And driving in Moscow is just crazy. Almost everything is right turn only and if you make a mistake, you can end up on a 2 hour unexpected excursion for sure.
But the nightlife in Moscow is incredible if you go to the right places. I always manage to have a good time there, but it helps to have a girl that knows her way around some of the rip off artists.
I really just enjoy the country as a whole. It's a pleasure to go to some of the smaller cities also. Every place there is different in it's own way.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.


well, in my defense i can say that it WAS my first time. and if you are used to driving on the left hand side (compared to for example america where they drive on the right hand side) it can be a bit bewildering!!!

crazy driving, i am used to it. but that thing..... watching people trying to cross a road, zebra crossing and it is like playing skittles!!! WOW!!!!!

nightlife did not really bother with it that much. first night i was tired out. had left my home at about 3am. then check in. wait at airport. then arrive in amsterdam. then wait at airport for next flight. then passports, then taxi to hotel. it took about 14 hours in all. and the next day i had to be up early as had to go to the maltese consulate in moscow. so could not be bothered.

next day.... was for the day in moscow. evening went by taxi to yaroslavl.

question:

how come? in a hotel a coffee is about 30 roubles. in a restaurant it is about 30 roubles. on a train it is only 10 roubles?

in england if a coffee is say 30 roubles (for the sake of the argument) in a hotel, on a train it will be about 60 roubles!!!

but yeah! i did like russia. and ok, it is hard to find somebody that speaks english but..... in yaroslavl i really enjoyed myself.



to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

voyager
11-12-2005, 11:33 AM
You are another example of someone who thinks they can order a mail order bride like you order a pizza. If you have good money why can you not attract women locally? Why are you such a coward to travel to Russia? You've travelled to other places right? "I told her I'll give her a lot of money in our meeting." So what she is a whore? That is what you do with whores right? You give them money for sex. She called you so many times stupid so she could continue the supply of money from you. It really looks good on you.



quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

I'm 37 years old man who has a very honoranle job and that even looks good. In the last 3 months I was corresponding with a Russian woman which was "really beautiful & sensitive" - She became all my life, and we "planed" to meet in England for two and a half weeks. Unfortunately, I've sent her about 2,400$ dollars (for passport, visa, tickets, clothes, dentists etc.), and some gifts to the adress she gave me (I know she recieved that gifts, although it took about 6 weeks). I told her I'll give her a lot of money in our meeting. She called me 8 times and sounded really sweet and serious. I got about 50 letters from her and about 40 pictures of a simple nice Russian girl (not a model). About a week before the meeting, when everything was "closed" from my side to go out for a dreamed vacation in England with her, she tried to catch me on the phone (I was not home) and finally left some messages that she cannot come because her father made an accident. This week I was really shocked when I found all those sites about the "scammers" which were including her name everywhere and the same letters (+ -) she sent me. None of the pictures she sent me was in any of those sites. I'm
really sick of making mistakes and don't know what I should do now. I don't know, I have so many questions... - If this woman knew that she's gonna have everything from me, as she knows about my very good economic situation and she has a lot of my pictures, why did she give it up so fast, why didn't she tried the relations with me ? (I was really nice to her). If the woman in the pictures is not the same "woman" who wrote me, so where are all this pictures came from and who is the really sweet girl that has phoned me and talked to me so many times ?, If she's a scammer, why did she called me so many times and left her voice so many times on my electronic secretary ?, How could she take the money from "Western union" if it's not her ?, Why did she gave up the trip to England if she could abuse me there (She knew I'm gonna give her a lot of good time and a lot of money there!)? etc., etc., etc.. I'm sorry, I'm so confused. I was sure I'm really briliant until this case happened to me. What you suuggest me to do now ? (She called me last night and was really sweet)- I will be really grateful if you answer me and give me your advise, Andy.

andyjeal
11-12-2005, 12:32 PM
Mr. voyager,
where have u been for the last four days ? - maybe you took a vacation in Russia, the most peaceeful place all over the world ?. Look, for the last four days i've explained again and agin all the things which made me make all the mistakes i did, trying to learn from it. U can call me however u want, i really don't mind - i don't have to prove anything to anyone - if u knew me and my reputation, in spite of the mistake i did with this girl, u wouldn't talk to me in such a rude way, but again, never mind - Just look how many victims which are good succeeding persons you got here. well, i made a mistake that maybe you did not, but it still doesn't make you and the others better than me... you call me a coward for not going to Russia ? - well, if i go to Russia and make my next mistake, what you're gonna say then ? that i was stupid for not learning from mistakes, won't you...? - read my posts from the last 4 days, please, it can make you much more reasonable and maybe much more nicer to people !

Jag
11-12-2005, 02:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by andyjeal

i think it's about time to know more real facts before going and trying to meet someone that you are not sure of her / his identity. if i'm dealling with criminals, just guess what can happen to me out there in their theritory... it's not so easy, man...


so you are going to know more real facts, how are you going to do this? and will you not spend time and money to know these facts? Also I think the travel to Russia is not so dangerous and unuseful as you think now??? least it is your chance^ to win everything or to stay in doubt

Dag
11-13-2005, 12:41 AM
Cut Andy some slack. He was scammed and I'm sure he knows better now. The whole setup of a scam leaves one not only regretting his mistake, but also trying to think of ways that would prevent such, including returning to the internet date BS thing looking for a honest woman. The internet is a cool toy, but beyond playing, you will rarely find a legitimate woman on it, let alone a non-scamming woman in real life. Hell, my last wife killed me for the insurance, but I came back from the dead and gave it to her in sphincter during one of her dream sequences. If I knew she liked it that way, perhaps I would still be in this plane of existence. [8D]

Sonar
11-13-2005, 12:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by voyager

You are another example of someone who thinks they can order a mail order bride like you order a pizza. If you have good money why can you not attract women locally?
Seems that there are alot of guys out there trying the MOB pizza thing. I heard that sometime soon, it will be possible to just download one from the internet.
Anyway, all joking aside, I really don't think that it is necessary to continue to rip this guy (Andyjeal). I have to give him alot of credit for coming here and posting his story.
And that crap "If you have good money why can you not attract women locally"??? Did it ever occur to you that maybe the guy just is not interested in a local woman? Since you know nothing about the guy, your statement is somewhat boneheaded.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Dutchy013
11-16-2005, 02:47 PM
Sonar,
You are damned right!!!
It takes a lot of courage to confess you have been taken and as a result you get also smoked by some wise asses, who probably got scammed themselves but did not had the courage to confess.
I was taken last year in Novosibirsk when visiting a "lady", not for a lot of money and we had a lot of fun :D
Since 3 weeks I am living together in Holland with a nice woman from Ukraine

Sonar
11-17-2005, 11:56 AM
Hey Dutchy,
Glad to hear that everything is good with you and your Ukrainian girl. Seems that it is rare that a positive story appears on these forums. Good luck to you.
Since I have been to Russia many times and have dated several Russian women, of course I have a few scam stories to tell also. Most guys that have never been personally involved with a LIVE FSU woman, have no clue that they can also be scammed in person.
Awhile back on another forum, I was also attacked by a couple of ass clowns after posting a scam story. My story was not the typical 'send me money for this and that' scam. It was about the personal meeting scam. But some of the things that were said to me were very stupid. It's funny how some people will always try to twist the facts to try to make the victum seem deserving. Maybe sometimes this is correct but not always.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Dutchy013
11-17-2005, 12:26 PM
Sonar, thanks.
You are right, some people have no clue what they are talking about. They have never been to East Europe, but present themselfes as an expert.
I have been many times to Russia/Ukraine/Moldova and Rumania and I am still surprised by these countries and the people living there.
During those years I have met a number of nice women, after establishing contact through a dating site.
Most of them were sincere and nice, but after spending some time together we decided not to proceed for different reasons.
My quest has ended with meeting this nice lady from Ukraine.
We have been dating for some time now and recently she moved to me, we did all the paperwork without any problems and in a time span of 4 months.

I wish you all success in your quests for the perfect woman and GOOD LUCK!!!

peterdragon
11-17-2005, 07:45 PM
finding the woman of your dreams shouldnt have anything to do with money if money is what you are using to attract what ever woman you will get what you pay for and money can make a woman do alot of things it wont be a woman that loves you for who you are but for what you have materially

Sonar
11-18-2005, 01:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by peterdragon

finding the woman of your dreams shouldnt have anything to do with money if money is what you are using to attract what ever woman you will get what you pay for and money can make a woman do alot of things it wont be a woman that loves you for who you are but for what you have materially
Evey situation is different and depends on the people involved. Just because a guy has some money and searches for a woman abroad, does not mean the he cannot attract a woman locally.
If you are American (as I am) and are searching for a woman in eastern Europe and have no money, you are living in fantisy land.
I've seen alot of American guys in Russia searching for a woman. Most of them should not be there since they really cannot afford it.
Russian women seem to hold American men to a higher financial standard than others since they tend to believe that all American men are rich. They only know what they see on tv.
If you come across as being cheap, poor, greedy or needy, you will have two strikes against you right from the start.
Do not believe the BS that Russian women can not find a decent man in Russia. There are plenty of good Russian men to fill the need.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Dutchy013
11-18-2005, 03:46 PM
Sonar, right again!
Travelling to East Europe, the expenses of hotel/apartment, etc. add up fast.
You need to have some savings to travel a few times a year to East Europe.
Indeed, women expect Americans to have a bundle of green bills :D, we as Europeans have it more easy.

lonelyboy
11-21-2005, 12:07 PM
Hi Andy !

Where are you ? What are the latest news about the Russian lady ?
I hope you have not sent more money to her. There are many girls who know good English and can cheat you easily with a nice and pleasant voice. Have a VIDEO TALK with her, so you know for sure who she is.
It is 100 % possible in a Russian Internet cafe or anywhere there.
If she refuses, it is a SCAM !!!

Good luck !

elenag
11-21-2005, 02:32 PM
Lonelyboy,

I was on another forum the other day where Russian women were discussing the internet dating, and many of them were negative about "chat room romances". They have to pay to use the internet cafe and the guys sometimes were dressed in nothing but socks, or tried to undress and do other things during the conversation. One or two experiences like that and many women felt that the chat rooms can be not pleasant. The conclusion was (at least from some): "why do I have to spend my last money to have the "pleasure" of seeing all that?" So, a few (or not that few. the number of stories like that was quite overwhelming) chat room perverts can spoil it for the rest, and some ladies immediately have negative reaction to the chat session offers. I think you guys need to understand and respect that.

Also, all ladies who don't have an access to a chat rooms, or do not have the extra money, or do not want to spend their money on the chat rooms -are they all scam? is that what you are saying? that how it sounds.

lonelyboy
11-21-2005, 06:35 PM
Hi Elena !

But in that case it is also a very good way for the ladies to check that the man is not a scammer !! Certainly that kind of men are not serious !!!!
A video talk can't cost more money than writing a letter. If the Internet is active it is same what you do there ......

elenag
11-21-2005, 06:46 PM
If she writes from an Internet Cafe than yes. But if she has free Internet from work on her friends' computer, then going to an Internet Cafe is an expense for her. When I was in Russia, I would read and type letters on the computer that didn't have Internet connection and would only come to the Internet cafe to send the letters out and to download new messages onto a disc. At least at first when I didn't have a better way to do it. And my internet cafe didn't have a web camera. They only had a printer (not even a scanner). it was 6 years ago though, I am not sure how things are now.

After I got my own computer (my hubby sent it to me as a present) I had Internet from home, but I paid by the "traffic" amount - that much for each MB. So I would use the same thing (get online, download, log off, read, type, then get online, send out and log off) from home too. In Russia alot of peoiple pay for the "traffic", it is not just one monthly fee.

andyjeal
11-21-2005, 10:45 PM
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Hi Andy !

Where are you ? What are the latest news about the Russian lady ?
I hope you have not sent more money to her. There are many girls who know good English and can cheat you easily with a nice and pleasant voice. Have a VIDEO TALK with her, so you know for sure who she is.
It is 100 % possible in a Russian Internet cafe or anywhere there.
If she refuses, it is a SCAM !!!

Good luck !
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Dear Mr. lonelyboy,
I'm still here & hello to all of you !
I've been a little bit busy with my work, but I'm still here. The latest news about the Russian woman (sorry, but she doesn't deserve to be called a "lady") is that she wrote me before three days and told me about the suffering of her father and all the family as a result of the accident he had. I wrote her "how sorry I am" and that I want her to send me her father's address as soon as possible as I want to send him a blessing card and a present with some money for them within it, and you can guess what i'm gonna send her there (Sonar has called it this week: "a bird without wings...", "an universal sign language that even Russians understand..."). I also told her that next month i will get another sum of 70,000$ for one of my projects (which is far away of being true, of course...), and now I wanna find out how this greedy woman is gonna act.
My dear friend, enough is enough, you can be sure i've learned my lesson. I don't think a girl will be able to scam me again -I was maybe naive and stupid, but i'm not an idiot...!!!.
I don't feel bad about the money I've lost as i'm angry about the ugly game with the victims' feelings those bloody scammers play. I will support any suggestion to teach those scammers the lesson they deserve especially for this reason.
Thanks all of you, and remember : DO NOT EVER SEND MONEY, EVEN IF SHE'S PUTIN'S DAUGHTER..., EVEN IF SHE'S HAVING A VIDEO TALK WITH YOU...!!!.
By the way, where is Nick...???
Andy

Sonar
11-22-2005, 01:00 AM
quote:

Also, all ladies who don't have an access to a chat rooms, or do not have the extra money, or do not want to spend their money on the chat rooms -are they all scam? is that what you are saying? that how it sounds.
Elenag is absolutely correct. I have been involved with Russian women for a long (6 years) time. (In person&gt;&gt;not internet love queens). None of the ones that I know would be interested in webcam correspondence. Even some of the better internet cafes' in Moscow and St Petersburg don't even have webcams. It's a silly idea.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

lonelyboy
11-22-2005, 08:36 AM
Many Russian women believe that 80 % of men are scamming. So they do not either trust in Internet relations. So think vice versa. If she is really interested in you, be sure that she wants to talk with you in video if it is only possible ! They love telephone calls so why not video calls ??? It is only a new idea and they (we) are not used to it...as it was earlier to talk in phone when it was all new....

But now you can test her. Though we always say that NEVER SEND MONEY maybe we could send her 10 $ for the video talk... So both a man and a woman could be sure ....I agree that in Internet cafes it could be difficult but I am sure that a serious lady will find a place where to do it for some money probably without it. Only some minutes are enough for it. Nowadays even smaller Russian cities are quite well equipped with modern computers though they are still rather rare in private homes.
I also agree that a video call TEST still does not prove anything but even a proposal about it can be a good test to check her ...... even better ...And it is only one of the many tests which we can do to check the ladies.
Be sure that RUSSIAN WOMEN are very unscrupulous and arrogant and they have numerous ways to try to cheat and fool you !!!!
It is some kind of "national sport" to try to cheat in Russia and they even cheat each other as much as possible !!! But it is much more easier to cheat a foreigner ofcourse....
Anyway still there are honest and nice women in Russia who are seriously looking for a mate.
How to find them ?? Internet is a very bad place to try it....

And one joke (or maybe truth ?) from Moscow. A Russian lady told me that nobody has one's own mobile phone there ...

babe_in_rusland
12-01-2005, 07:08 PM
I don't know if Andyj has been scared off this site by all the angry trolls, but if not, I'll try to address a couple of questions he originally asked. Where do the scammers find the photo sets? Primarily off the internet, personal websites, and photo-model websites. One good example was a popular image used by Russian love scammers back in 2000-2001 time frame. She is the supermodel Adriana Sklenarikova (now married name Adriana Karembeu). If you go to "Google Images" and put in either one of these names, you will find hundreds of photos of your dream date. You can easily download all these photos to your computer. Another way scammers get ahold of photos is by having back-door deals with photo studios in the FSU. A nice looking girl has a set of photos developed, and the developer makes a second copy to sell to his local mafiya.

Scams exist in all different varieties and flavors, and the love scam is just one variation. I have been happily married to a Russian woman for 6 years. Our son recently was scammed on a BMX bike web site. On his own initiative, he worked out a stupid deal to trade a guitar (Gibson Les Paul, which had been given to him as a gift by the husband of another Russian woman who is a friend of my wife) and a small practice amplifier - in exchange, he was supposed to receive a bike and some parts. This little doofus, all on his own, spent $25 to buy a shipping carton and another $35 for postage to mail all his musical equipment to somebody he did not know in Boulder, Colorado. Guess what? He never got anything in return and he never heard a word back from the scammer. My guess is that he was scammed by a Nigerian.

Live and learn.

voyager
12-01-2005, 08:32 PM
What a Nigerian in Boulder? How did the Nigerian get into the United States? Nigerians need visas for that don't they? Think your comment is a bit racist.


quote:Originally posted by babe_in_rusland

My guess is that he was scammed by a Nigerian.

Live and learn.


They are all scammers until proven innocent.

ham
12-01-2005, 09:44 PM
1. most scammers have no intention to relocate, and never had.
[u]Many are men</u> and most prefer easy bucks behind a pc screen, knowing they're safe & can spend them, rather than going in the open with a trip abroad wasting time & taking risks. They are usually working not one, but many suckers at once, thus it'd be impossible for Igor to be physically with Bongo in Uganda, with Kojiro in Osaka, with Jim in Sacramento and with Pedro in Monterey.
2. Often scammers "hire" women's identities to cash fees in exchange for a %. These are ignorant local women just wanting to make a fast buck. They have no idea of what's really going on, nor do they care.
3. I wouldn't say it's necessary to make "copies" of photosets; when the internet doesn't offer enough to steal or buy, $100 can buy hundreds of pictures locally.
4. Western union is reported to require at times only the control ID. scam gangs (typically agency frauds ) reportedly have women sign generic "power of attorney", authorizing some "agency manager" to even cash $ on their behalf.
5. same with inland premium phone lines (if that wasn't a $10 voice changer + Igor ), women may be recruited to place or answer phone calls. This has been reported and again they are opportunistic women raising a fast buck.

babe_in_rusland
12-01-2005, 11:26 PM
My comment was ABSOLUTELY NOT racist in any way. There are thousands of Nigerians in the US on student visas, H1B, and also on completely counterfeited visas. My guess was based on the type of scam (postal forwarding via a on-line trading web site) and also based on the location, where there is a University, hence many hundreds of exchange students. I don't know that it's a Nigerian scammer, just guessing based on the data.

Dutchy013
12-02-2005, 08:59 AM
Internet frauds are of all nationalities and sorts.
Poverty, lack of chances, poor health care, poor education and corrupt (local) authorities are a fertiliser for scams of any sort.
As long as we support corrupt governments for economical reasons, ban cheap replacement medical drugs to protect a few multinationals, et. we are responsible for all this too.

Sonar
12-02-2005, 11:08 AM
Sure, internet fraud does involve all nationalities and people. Just last week I received an e-mail informing me that I had won 5,500,000 GBP from Heritage Lottery Promotions International. It took all of about two minutes to discover that it was a scam.
But that has absolutely nothing in common with internet dating/marriage scams. It is a completely different subject.
In the area of internet romance, Russian women are definately the scammer queens of the world. It is not American women, British women, Polish women, Australian women, Italian women or any other women that are all over the internet trying to decieve foreign men into sending them money. It is Russian women!!!And there are thousands of them.
Anyone new to this game needs to be aware of the fact that if they are not very carefull, there is a 99% chance that they will be scammed in some way. And there is also a 99% chance that she will be Russian.
They only way to avoid this problem is to go there in person. There are many good women that are not the least bit interested in scamming.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

ham
12-02-2005, 11:48 AM
well, the FSU-MOB is the latest fad, thus attracting more attention.
But MOB fads are not new, and they all bring the same misfortune along.
Just a few years ago Jesse Janos (Ventura), then governor of Minnesota, former seal & wrestler (thus not a ***** i'd say ) wrote a book emphasizing how asian women were the cure-all for modern western men's plights.
Since he was then an accomplishes statesman, i doubt he did so out of the excruciating need to raise a buck for supper time.
So you got even a statesman, former seal & wrestler (supposedly) believing the same cliches about family values, sex values, womanhood & what's next...i haven't read his book personally, only abstracts, but i bet you can exchange "thai" or "philipino" with "ukrainian" or "moldovan", and "almond eyes" with "blond hair" or whatever...the remaining bunk is the same.

Sonar
12-02-2005, 01:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham


So you got even a statesman, former seal & wrestler (supposedly) believing the same cliches about family values, sex values, womanhood & what's next...

Oh Yeah, Jessie Ventura was definately a pro wrestler with the WWF for a long time during the 80's and early 90's. One hell of a bada## too. I've seen him several times here locally.
Havn't read his book and doubt that I would take his advice very seriously. He lives in a totally different world than you or I.
I really don't buy into any ideas that one nationality of women are any better or worse than another. To me they all have the mind of women which I think is pretty much universal. But it is much easier to find a Russian women scammer than any other.
For me, women are just like going fishing. If you go to the wrong place, chances are that you won't catch any fish. But if you know the right places to go, you can catch fish all day long.
When I go fishing, I like to catch fish. Otherwise it is just a waste of time.
In Russia, there is a hugh population of fish.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Dutchy013
12-02-2005, 01:26 PM
Sonar, you are right about Russian scams on the internet dating.
I think it has to do with the corrupt law system, chances of being caught and sentenced to jail are zero to nothing.

ham
12-02-2005, 05:58 PM
of course fads are started by people who don't put their a$$ at stake about it. You get million dollar corporations starting fad dating sites; you get the expat needing to raise a buck opening a MOB marriage agency up. Both ends show no reason significantly tied to the core business (Eg the top dollar shareholders need no "date" and the expat needs no "MOB", although the opposite is often pimped to foster a false sense of trust ).
however
mass advertising deployed by top dollar corporations [u]and</u> a book by the Jesse Ventura charachter are what it takes to pimp a fad. Nobody would buy [u]my book.</u>
I bet there are hundreds of men buying into the asian MOB fad because of that book, and i bet they are equally meeting fraudsters .
The edge the FSU MOB fad has over recurring latin or asian MOB fads, is it bloomed at the same times the internet did, while previous MOB fads had lighter changes to spread scams because all you had were grainy catalogues with blurred pictures mailed out four times a year, not junk websites updating twice a day.

babe_in_rusland
12-02-2005, 09:42 PM
The only problem with Sonar's point is that there are a vast number of scammers posing as Russian women who are neither Russian, nor are they women. I saw an article recently claiming that a large number of Bulgarian and Romanian university students are routinely using the Russian love scam as a way to make pocket money. Many of the scammers are actually in America, Britain, the Netherlands, Ghana, Nigeria, and so on. Some love scams are run using e-mails, others use ICQ or instant messaging. It's a hydra-headed monster. Cut off one head and a hundred more spring up.

Sonar
12-03-2005, 12:13 AM
babe_in rusland, You make a very good point. Of course Russian women are not responsible for everything bad with the international romance scene. It seems that alot of people want to pose as Russian women these days also.
It is very easy for a man's mind to become a little bit clouded by reading (supposedly) Russian scam stories almost everyday.


A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Dutchy013
12-08-2005, 10:52 AM
Indeed there are a lot of scammers, but we should not get too much affected by all the bad stories.
You can filter out scammers easily as soon as they ask for the $, delete her and do not get too upset about it.
Move to the next girl and you might hit the jackpot, a nice and sincere woman.
I have met a number of scammers on the internet dating sites, met with one in Novosibirsk, but that is all.
I also met a far greater number of nice and sincere women.

ham
12-08-2005, 02:56 PM
As soon as i make it perfectly clear that i'm sending no money & i'm interested in relocation to the FSU, 4/5 disappear right away no question asked. Besides hardcore scammers, you have those interested in your country first, than yourself, whom are not that much better.

Sonar
12-08-2005, 04:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham

As soon as i make it perfectly clear that i'm sending no money & i'm interested in relocation to the FSU, 4/5 disappear right away no question asked. Besides hardcore scammers, you have those interested in your country first, than yourself, whom are not that much better.

Are you actually interested in relocating to the FSU or is it just something that you tell them?

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

ham
12-08-2005, 08:23 PM
while with such plans only time will tell, as i'm not into fake claims, i'm interested in that.
what's for sure is that it would do no good to bring most FSUWs over here.
point interesting enough, many also seem to ignore the fact i'm trying to learn russian...they sound bothered by that i daresay.
While i'm not proficient enough to carry anything meaningful on yet, i suppose many think that spoils the "$ for english courses, translations etc ".
What's for sure is i'm convinced fishing among the (few) FSUWs fluent in any main western language (be it english, french, german or else ) does no good.
Every foreigner there has been (very likely) around them for the simple reason they can talk to him.
It's like throwing a 10000 people party at a stadium and serving drinks with only 50 glasses...

Detective
12-08-2005, 09:19 PM
Is it worthit to learn russian for the sake of a woman? I find it weird actually maybe coz I do not have free time to do so.
I agree with ham about learning russian though if you r really interested in being with a russian woman... I am not interested personnaly in russians or eastern europe countries anymore coz they do not sound to me that smart:D

ham
12-09-2005, 07:02 AM
i'm convinced some things must either be done the [u]right</u>way or [u]not at all.</u>
By doing rushed things over the internet or landing there a weekend for a social, you risk to reckon with the same sort as most MOB seekers did...
Yes, you can perhaps get married to the third woman sending you a mail; or the third day of the social, but such chances are mostly doomed in my opinion.

Sure, my "plans" can just be hot air & never materialize, but i've no divine assurance i'm going to wake up alive next year either, so what?
To make an example, you don't learn a language proficiently in three months, and you don't become a surgeon or an accountant in just one year...
It takes years.

Of course one should:
a) love & find it rather easy to learn languages, which i do.
b) love languages & culture, while most men venture the MOB road only & exclusively to chase tail.

The problem is, who is interested in the overused pool of visa queens, pub foxes & professional daters, which make up the greatest majority of FSUWs fluent in say english?
Does anyone trulybelieve they stand meaningful chances with them? Or that it would go beyond the sugar daddy/shopping spree/novelty item thing?
I once read an editorial from a blond american model/escort who was fluent in japanese.
Most of her assignments were from japan, where she resided regularly.
Now i bet my paychecks that she got laid by all the japanese men who could afford it...because where does a japanese race mixer find a blond american bimbo fluent in his language?
Why wouldn't this apply to pretty Olga or pretty Natasha fluent in English or German?
Sure, such people are better entertainers than one's average street Olga's or Natasha's, but if i want [u]that</u> kind of amusement, there are lapdance bars here, too.
To keep up with that, i should be making $20000 tax free a month, and obviously i'm not.

Dutchy013
12-09-2005, 08:49 AM
I think you guys are all too negative about this.
I have no connection with your feelings about these women.
If you feel like this, you should indeed give up on FSU women and stay home :)
About learning Russian, I am in the process of learning it, of course for me it serves two purposes, first to improve the contact with the people I do business with, but also to connect with FSU women.
My girlfriend appreciates my efforts, as I do her efforts to imrove her English.
For Europeans it is relative cheap to travel to FSU.
A ticket and apartment rent for a week add up to a max 700 euro in Ukraine.

ham
12-09-2005, 11:59 AM
if things are mostly milk&honey for anyone, good for them.
It isn't so for me & many others.
The most recent case is a gas station + small restaurant owner here, who brought home some FSUW.
Well, i think she was out of his league and whatever, but he told my father he was convinced he was about true love and whatever.
That is a real person, not some WWW alias.
To make it short, his trophy wife disappeared within one year from their marriage.
Another case i personally know is a supermarket employee.
He went to Lithuania, brought her here ( i have never seen her, but some said she was out of his league as well ), depleted his life savings and got into debts.
Now he used to work for say mr.X. Mr. X was an overly indebted subcontractor who operated a store he had gotten via marriage to some woman wealthier than him.
Now his FSU wife got to work for mr.X as well...you know...making ends meet + boosting her self-esteem.
Within 6 months she was in bed with mr.X (who had divorced in the meantime), who got even more into debt to open a cafe for her (debts piling up).
She left her dumb husband & moved in with mr.X.
Within a while, i heard that the cafe thing wasn't going very well.
Weeks ago i learnt she trapped mr.X with a "ad hoc" pregnacy.
The supermarket employee is now back to Lithuania...
Sooooooooooooo...
well, ok we can either:
a) learn a lesson, or
b) think these people are complete morons and we're a cut above -&gt; we make the same mistakes.
These are facts i know first hand, not WWW stories pulled by some trolling prankster...
Some call this cuynicism...i call it realism.

Dutchy013
12-12-2005, 09:06 AM
Ham,

You are right about this, you should indeed be alert on this.
I have no idea about the numbers in a bigger picture.
Are the diforce numbers higher with FSU women as other marriages?
Has this anything to do with language problems, no being able to find a job or her own social life, or difference in age?
If I marry a Dutch women who is 23 years younger as I am, there is a bigger chance the marriage will not stand.
It is not a problem to staryt dating a woman from the FSU about 20-25 younger as I am.
When I am 70, she will be 45 :), I guess this is something to think about.
If you are an ordinary looking guy, with a normal job and salary and you start dating a "model" from FSU, you are in trouble too in the long run.
I guess we are not always smart in our own choices too. :D

lonelyboy
12-12-2005, 07:35 PM
Well, let's talk again about the issue AGE DIFFERENCE. That is not so simple. I agree that when a woman is under 25 she is still a very young girl and not mature enough. So if a man of 40-50 marries a "girl" of 18-25 I am sure that it will not work. In most cases such young girls only want to misuse the situation economically in some way.
But when the woman gets older than 30 the situation changes. She has life experience and she is more mature. So she probably already thinks about the life and marriage much in the same way as a man of 55.
They get children and when her husband dies before her she will inherit his property, get his pension and if she still works she has no economic problems in her life. She has adult children and probably soon also grandchildren and she will not be alone ! Many pensioners still want to live a good life. They will find new friends and probably can marry again. And we must always remember that if a woman from FSU countries comes to your country she has NOTHING (only her p...y which you are so feverly looking for..)so she will be very happy when she will later have such a good life economically.

I think that much more problematic will be the situation when a woman has a child. A FSU woman will NOT get ANY help from the father of the child or from FSU. So her new husband must be rather rich to be able to support 3 people instead of himself alone. Well it can be ok if the man is not able to get his own children but if he wants own children he has certainly a hard job to support such a big family.
There are really many such VERY good looking young women in FSU who are looking for a man only to support her child and give her/him a better life. In many cases they still love the father of their child and when they visit their home country they will probably meet him even intimately...I know that this is very common in Russia....

ham
12-13-2005, 05:46 AM
while many men fall victim of their unreasonable & overboard expectations, there is a ground problem with most of these FSUWs, especially those you met via WWW/MOB/LD.As i say, we all would like Shakiras or Gwen Stefanis all over us, but what would such an high-end broad want to do with [u]me</u>? I'm not Eric Clapton and i'm not jocking discs at some $150 entry fee upscale London club, so...
I still think (according to experience gathered ) that bringing such women to the west is a very dangerous move.
You can't chain them to your doorstep, and sooner than later they're in bed with the first idiot who has more $...or just looks like he does.
Then, what does one do?
Think of the dozens upon dozens of men who even sponsored them through college spending tens of thousands on that only...
Then they are outside all the day, meeting countless men whose only priority is to get laid...the broad gets flattered because perhaps you're working overtime to foot her bills, and can't just tell her nice rubbish & stud for a living...
I think going there is better.