View Full Version : And how about this...scam or not?

11-21-2005, 11:22 PM
Here is the text from a few emails that I have received from someone calling themself "Irina." She initially contacted me through Yahoo Personals. I have received 3 photos from her, but I hesitate to post them b/c I am uncertain if this is a scam or not.

Email #1:
Hi Travis !!!
How are you? It Irina.
I was happy to receive you the message.
As I bring apologies for a delay of my answer to your letter.
I have been very much borrowed and I did not have time to write to you
the letter.
For me was the big pleasure to receive your letter.In a photo you look
When I saw your structure in Yahoo. To me heart has told that you the
person which to me we bypass.
I have dared to write to the first to whom or through the Internet.
I should be grateful to this to my girlfriend Liza.
My girlfriend Liza has found the good person through the Internet in
the French city
Le Mans. They are very happy together. Now they have already concluded
a marriage and live
In France. I am very happy for them. And I as have decided to find the
good person
Through the Internet. As I did not know the French language, I have
decided to search in U.S.A.
I not unitary heard about that that Americans very good people and
among them is much
Remarkable men. I shall not hide I met some men from Russia,
But these attitudes were not long as the majority of Russian men are
rough in
The attitude to the woman. Many have propensity to alcohol. I have the
big hostility
To men which use too much alcohol.
I had the father which constantly saws and beat my mum. When to me 8
years it were executed has died from
Alcoholic poisonings. My mum very strongly cried. But it has carried
also she has found good
The man which loves her and is not drunk with alcohol. They live
together 19 years. It has replaced
To me of the father. Certainly they have children: two my younger
I shall tell to you about myself:
My full name Irina. As I spoke earlier to me 28 years.
I was born on April, 10, 1977. My growth is 5 ` 8, weight of 55 kg.
On a nationality I Russian, I believe in the god and I am orthodox the
I was born and I live in the city of Cheboksary. It is small beautiful
small town city. In it it is a lot of
Beautiful places: parks, the area. My city to be in 1000 kms from
Moscow. As we have time zone of Moscow
It GMT+6.
Mine a favourite season this summer. We with family frequently leave
for limits
Cities. I like to spend time in the summer on the nature. I like to
walk collecting beautiful flowers.
Sometimes simply to lay and look at the sky. To observe of clouds. They
sometimes accept very amusing figures.
For me summer the best is time. In the winter at us it is very cold. I
do not love a cold. I was very bad to transfer
It is necessary to put on in warm clothes. Frequently simply it would
not be desirable to leave from the house.
As I have higher education. I have a trade the teacher of initial
I have chosen this trade because I very much love children. But
unfortunately my speciality appeared
Not claimed and me it was necessary to go for work in a kindergarten
the tutor.
This work for me has an entertainment. Children of me very strongly
like, the some people name me mum.
For me it is very pleasant to feel whose that love, even a nursery.
As I should tell to you, that I have no house of a computer, and I use
a computer,
Which to be in a cabinet of director of our kindergarten.
It has allowed to use to me the Internet. As I badly address with a
computer, they together with my girlfriend Liza
Helped me with search of the good person. When I saw your structure, my
search has stopped on you.
I have stopped the attention to you. I hope also you will not disregard
I seem already have written much. I am afraid that there will be no
information for the following letter. Attempt of
I shall speak you the rest in the following letter. I would like that
also you have written to me about yourselves and
your city.
I never was outside Russia and it is very interesting to me to learn
about your life in America.
I put my photo to my letter. I hope you have found its good?
I with impatience shall look forward to hearing from you.
Your new Russian friend Irina.

Email #2:
Hello Travis!!!
I am glad to receive your letter again!!!
Today I especially hastened for work. I was afraid that I shall not
find your letter in my box.
On a threshold of me director has met and informed that to me there has
come the letter. It was very interesting to me
To read your letter. Now I start to learn about you more. It is very
important for me.
Today Saturday and at us short day I work till 14 o'clock.
My friend, Travis, I want to tell to you more about myself and my
I live together with the family. My mum, the stepfather and two my
younger sisters.
My mum call Olga. She works works as the controller in transport
service of our city.
Its husband Sergey. It works as the driver at a factory on manufacture
of steel doors.
They do not earn many money, but they are happy together. In our family
of money never were
On the first place. As my mum speaks is not necessary aspires to earn
more money, it is necessary aspires
To that what happiness and love never left your house. She very good
and kind woman.
She has learned much me in a life. Since childhood I never heard from
it rough words.
She was for me not only I scold but also the friend to whom I can talk
about all experiences.
My younger sisters still go to school.
Younger Masha studies in 9 class. And senior sister Vika studies in 11
class she leaves school this year
Also is going to enter the university. She wants to become the
Our family very amicable and we are never littered. I very much love my
I spoke my mum that have got acquainted with you. She has approved it.
As she cares of my future.
I already spoke you about my girlfriend Liza. She has found husband
Loren in France.
She has gone to it to France and they were together there 3 months then
have got married. They very much loving and happy pair.
I am very happy for them and as strongly I envy it.
As I want to tell to you about the work. I like my work.
In our children's home very kind and affable people, except for Elena
work. It is very harmful and not the pleasant person.
I work as the tutor with children of 3-4 years. I very much like to
spend with them time.
These are very emotional and cheerful creation. When I look as they
This best seems to me that that it is possible to see. I frequently
leave with them on walk.
Us in group two I and my girlfriend Katya.
I shall well finish my letter. So at our director it is a lot of work
and the computer is necessary for it.
I hope that we shall be dialogue with each other? Please inform me the
information on you directly more.
I want to know more about you and your country, city. I never was In
U.S.A. and it is very interesting to me.
As I want to know more about your family, about your friends.
Greetings to you from my mum.
I with impatience shall look forward to hearing from you.
I shall read your letters on Monday.
Your friend Irina.

Email #3:
Hello, Travis!
I am glad to read your letter again.
I like to read your messages. When I read them I I learn about you more
and more
And your life. So we learn more about us.
Weekend I was at home not where did not go at us there was a bad
the wind blew and there was a snow. Weekend it was cleaned at home both
has made a tasty dinner and has fed all family. Weekend thought of you.
Unfortunately I have no easy approach in the Internet, director does
not allow to use it not to destination.
Travis I hope you to me will send your photo in the following letter.
Probably you want to learn about my hobbies.I have various hobbies.
At leisure I like to spend time with close people.
We frequently with my girlfriends meet at their place. We walk on park.
In the winter we frequently go
To skate. This very fascinating employment. In our city there is a big
skating rink,
Where it is possible to skate for the small sum. I like to spend time
on fresh air.
I frequently leave for city in the summer. In the summer our nature is
simply magnificent.
We put tents near to the river. We bathe, we fish and very cheerfully
we spend time.
And I like when my life is accompanied with good music. I very much
like to listen to music.
I like when we go to a campaign to listen to songs under a guitar. I
like when I am surrounded with music.
I very much like to listen to music. You like to listen to music. I do
not allocate what that especially
Genre from music. It is pleasant to me that is done really with soul. I
listen as well as Russian executors,
And foreign executors. Be it that that from classical music or from a
progressive techno.
It is pleasant to me as various groups. You heard that or about the
Russian groups?
Such as "Tatu", " Laskovy Mai ", " Ruki V verh ", "Korny".
As I like to look good films. I like to look films about love, good
cheerful comedies.
I do not like to look horrors, thrillers. It is very terrible for me.
Once I looked cinema at a cinema
It referred to " 13 ghosts ", I could not look through it to the end I
have left a cinema.
When I have told about it to mum she have laughed. I like such films as
" Harry Poter ".
" 50 first dates ", "Taxi" and as other good films. You love what
You like to read books? I very much like to read books. I read Tolstoy,
Chehov, Dostoevsky.
As I read modern products. Such as " Harry Potter ".
Sometimes I like to sit one and to dream about something. Sometimes I
scroll the life and I recollect the happy moments
From my life. I frequently recollect one moment which forces me to
In the childhood with mum we went to have a rest on the sea. I never
before saw the seas.
We have removed a small house near to the sea. We were there 1 month
and it was the finest month about which have remained pleasant
Memoirs. After that I never was on the sea. I frequently dream to see
the sea, but now it is very expensive what
To go to have a rest on the sea. It is very beautiful when the sun
leaves for horizon reflecting a way red color.
I liked to observe of it. Do You love the sea?
I think that to me is time to finish the letter. As it is time to me to
go to work.
My friend, Travis, I would want that you as have written about the
I shall wait for your letter and with pleasure I shall write to you
With the best regards your new friend Irina!!!

So what do you all think? Scam or not?



11-21-2005, 11:59 PM
they are already online, google them. i remember pubishing the letter where the "mom cried" when the dad died from alcohol poisoning on my site about a week ago.

11-22-2005, 09:10 AM
I have received numerous letters like these ! All are scammers or want to have some game with you ! Be very carefull ! If you want to go on and play, well do it ! BUT DO NOT SEND MONEY !!

11-22-2005, 12:41 PM
They are all scammers until proven innocent.

11-22-2005, 03:47 PM
They are innocent, till proven guilty!
Do your homework, never sent money!

11-22-2005, 08:44 PM
No they're not. In these cases they are guilty till proven innocent. This is the best line of defense.

They are all scammers until proven innocent.

11-23-2005, 12:53 AM
How do you proove a scammer innocent?? I am missing out on something.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

11-23-2005, 10:28 AM
You're right.
I had only one bad experience in Novosibirsk, a few girls asked for money after they established contact by a dating site.
The majority of the woman I have met where nice and sincere.
Voyager, I do not understand your opinion about woman from east Europe.
I do not think you wil meet a nice woman if you approach them with this kind of attitude, most women I have met are proud and do not take BS from any foreigner.

11-23-2005, 11:13 AM

For me it goes about 50% - 50% during the meetings.
Some women are really nice but many of them behave stupidly and clearly want only to have some fun or sex for money.
The problem seems to be that if I like a woman she doesn't like me and if the woman clearly liked me I did not feel so interested.
Some of them even wanted to marry me after the first meeting ...
Guys I hope we could have really serious talks here and not any stupid debates.
It is important to talk about the experiences with them. Guys who havn't any should be less aggressive.

11-23-2005, 12:00 PM
I have met a number of women in Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and Rumania and two of them visited me in Holland, with one of them I am living together now.
I have visited these countries the last 3 years about 20 times, so I guess I have some experience.
I still do there, but now only for business :)
Lonelyboy, my rates of deception were a little different.
I usually mailed with them for a couple of month, did some checking on them and would meet them.
I took care of my own travel arrangements, including an apartment.
There was not much possibilities for them to scam me when I was there, except for this time in Novosibirsk. :D
Of course I took care of the expenses of a dinner and the regular tourist trips, but that was always a very limited amount.

11-23-2005, 01:12 PM
Dutchy and Lonelyboy make some good points. But I can also understand how voyager can feel that they are all scammers. It is a problem created by all of these internet love agencies. All in competition with each other for your money. They are the ones that have created the idea that money is the most important thing.
Can anyone tell me about a 100% honest agency?? They do not exist in my opinion and I wish that they would all just simply go away. They are the ones that have created this huge scamming problem. Yet they all will pat themselves on the back and claim otherwise.
Most of my experiences are in person with real, live FSU women. I have been to Russia and Ukraine more than 20 times during the past 6 years and I will say that no, they are definately not all scammers.
If I were to go there in search of scammers, they would be somewhat difficult to find.
I will also say that 90% of all FSU women will need some type of financial assistance. It is a fact of life there and these women should not be considered as scammers.
Any guy that wishes to form a relationship with a Russian woman should also be prepared to spend money. In some cases>>Lots of money.
It is not suitable for everyone and some guys seem to think that it should be a simple and inexpensive thing. It is not and many guys become frustrated and begin to think that all FSU women are scammers. It is not true.
My advice is:
1: Do not place all of your trust in ANY agency. Most of them are BS.
2: Understand and be prepared to spend alot of money.It is not cheap.
3: Keep an open mind and understand that Romeo and Juliet exist only in fairy tales. You will not find a fairy tale romance in the FSU.
4: Travel to the FSU. You will learn very much just by going there and experiencing the culture. Try to learn a little bit of the lauguage. Go there again and again until you become good at it. There is more to learn than you may think.
5: Most importantly, pay very close attention to guys like Dutchy and Lonelyboy and be gratefull that they are willing to share their knowledge. They have been there enough to know what they are talking about.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

11-23-2005, 01:27 PM
Thanks for your kind words.
I guess we have learned it the hard way! :)
Despite all the time I spent in the east, I am still amazed by these countries and their people.
I just love it there, but going there unprepared can be dangerous too!
I am not scared at all when travelling, but I always watch my back and observe the people around me.
You develope a feeling when something is wrong and it is time to leave :)
I travel alone all the time and use the (night) train a lot, cheap and convenient, you arrive rested at yout destination.
There are a couple of guys on this forum who can help out novice travellers with some advice.

11-23-2005, 03:07 PM
Dutchy, Yes it is true that anyone traveling to these eastern countries should be cautious. I enjoy going there very much just for the change of culture. The women are an added bonus.
It is possible to get yourself into a bad situation if you are not carefull. In April of '00 I was involved in a bad situation in Sochi, Russia with a couple of Russian bad guys.
But I find it mostly safe as long as you understand what not to do.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

11-23-2005, 04:31 PM
I got only once in a bit of a situation by some guys in one of the major trainstations in Kiev.
It was my first time at this trainstation and it was obvious that I did not know my way around, so some guys came up to me and started to ask questions and money for a trainticket for me. :)
I answered them a polite as possible and moved away from them to a more busier part of the station.
It was clear for them that I was not going to pay them and they left.

11-26-2005, 08:21 AM
Well Dutchy and Sonar !
Thanks for very good opinions. I agree with you. You both have experience to discuss. Earlier I wrote here that certainly most of the Russian women are serious but the scammer profiles are more locking and they get at least 80 % of all contacts. So this is a start for problems in Internet connections and make all seem much more worse what it is in reality. I agree that finding a Russian (FSU) woman is not any cheap task. Even though you try to travel and live as modestly as possible there you will at least use 500 - 1000 Euros for each trip. Probably more. If you have been there 20 times it means quite a lot of money anyway.
I will tell you about something which annoys me a lot in Russia and especially it took place St.Petersburg. Sometimes I visit there a pub / nightclub where many expats and turists use to visit for a beer, to talk and look for nightlife and girls..ofcourse. If I leave this place ALONE for example after 1 o'clock at night it has happened several times that a "MILITCJA" car will stop me near the pub and ask for documents. It has been clearly obvious that these militia men are not interested in my documents at all. They make sometimes very arrogant body searches and they are only interested in your MONEY ! I heard that many turists have lost their wallet or money to them ! I informed about this to our Consulate in Peter and after that those nighly inspections have been diminished a lot.....Anyway I suspect that these militia men were false.
So Russia is Russia, a different country in mentality and culture.
For example when I told about these "militia" men to my Russian friends some of them only shrugged their shoulders and said that Russian militia has very low salaries....
Serious women have studied about foreign cultures and they know how to behave during the meetings. You do not lose money with them. Ofcourse you want to help them a little when you see that all goes well. If you meet in Russia (in Internet)a very beautiful, sexy woman who knows very good English and seems to be very interested in you....be sure that she is either married or a prostitute. If you look for a sincere woman for the marriage, keep away from them !
It is also true that many Russian women especially unmarried women with a child have problems with money. And it is not very unusual though these women work daily that they go to the clubs in the evenings to earn extra money....When I asked about it from them, they said that I do not understand Russia, I agreed I do not ......

11-26-2005, 10:28 AM
earth&fire, wind&sea generic letters with pastel colored feelings on the background of an abusive, cheap society made of jobless, violent drunkards represent the culprit, the triumph of the bold & riding scam scene.
First, that is utter nonsense.

quote:I do not think you wil meet a nice woman if you approach them with this kind of attitude, most women I have met are proud and do not take BS from any foreigner.

what if one loses $ playing knight in shining armour?
Nobody will mourn the loss but him & everybody will have a laugh at how gullible he was.