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Detective
11-26-2005, 10:18 AM
Russians are scammers even if they prove otherwise. Stay out-a-trouble[8D].... They think westerners like them coz of there family value.. this is the funniest story I heard.... Family value for russians.. hahahahaha

Sonar
11-26-2005, 11:32 AM
Yeah, the family value's thing with Russian women is mostly just a myth created by marriage agencies some years ago in order to lure western men. With the Russian women that I have known, I would say that family values extend no farther than their parents and children if any.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Detective
11-26-2005, 04:45 PM
you are absolutely right.... This ridiculous joke about russians being appreciable of family values should end.
Viva la North America

lonelyboy
11-26-2005, 06:34 PM
Good comments !
I agree 100 % !!!

Detective
11-26-2005, 08:31 PM
How come russians have family value if they don't have human values??
RIDICULOUS;)

Sonar
11-27-2005, 09:57 AM
Russian women family values=
1: Money is always the most important thing.
2: Lying, cheating, stealing are all acceptable ways to acquire money.
3: Honesty and truthfullness are not important.
4: Selfishness is a virtue.
5: Other people are meaningless.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

ham
11-27-2005, 10:27 AM
INS studies concluded that MOB marriages stand no higher chances than inland ones, which means 50%+ divorce rate.
There is an uncredited for "study" on the www stating the divorce rate (supposedly) is 80%+.
Someone even told the opposite, that divorce rate is 20%, but couldn't back the claim up with actual sources.
I think this questions deserves the same treatment as "wealth over the internet" does.
There are so many affluent people, millionaires, forbes magazine covers & other gossip magazine fodder individuals over the internet than US census knows about.
Yeah, right.
I guess they can rightfully pair up with all those Oleg, Boris, Vadim & Igor hiding behind Laetitia Casta's or Meg Ryan's pictures.

Second, don't forget NOT to mix the FSU population at large (which is fine in my opinion ) with the WWW/LD/MOB segment of the FSU population you're bound to meet while pursuing LD/MOB/WWW kind of relationships.
The LD/WWW/MOB scene (three terms to describe the same situation) is jam packed with liars, pretenders, bullsh!tters & the like, even in the west...because they can hide behind their keyboard.
In real life it's not hard at all to part the "bachelor teenage cheerleading model", the "millionaire", the "seven figures tax free neurosurgeon", from the broke bum, the pennyless macjobber, the fat whale, etc.

Detective
11-27-2005, 03:30 PM
It is so pleasant to read your comments..... Russians values are bull**** and our job is to put a freaken end to this bullcrap.
If there is any russian on this forum, he/she should not blame us... he/she should blame the freaken scammers....
Russians are deprived of any human values.... let it be known to everybody.... They just think themselves the best.... yes they are the best (u know what I am talken about).
To all newcomers: DO NOT EVER TRUST ANY RUSSIAN, EVEN PROFESSIONAL LAWYERS CAN SCAM YA.....
Viva BUSH and MARTIN.....

lonelyboy
11-27-2005, 07:17 PM
What did happen to Russia ???
Do you know how Russians treat foreigners ?
All foreigners who travel there are criminals until they prove otherwise....

Detective
11-27-2005, 08:53 PM
Well,
I have few Ukranians friends (real friends) who adviced me not to ever think of going to russia.... if ukranians say this then there is something really bad. I agree with those who think that russia is safe too.... Both opinions are fine with me but if there is a small chance of being kidnapped then I don't wanna go there. I live in canada and I am not risking my life and my brilliant future for the sake of a freaken russian.... If she wants to be with me she should make the effort...this is my policy with girls and it works. I do not run after them.... I am a very satisfied guy (professional and financial) and whoever wants to be with me should be educated, beautiful, nice and honest. I am not wasting my time to look for crazy russians coz I think they do not deserve to be here in north america.
I totally know that not all the russians are bad but I also understand that not all the iraqi were bad and look what happened... Sometimes we have to pay the price of our friend's or family's mistake and this is what should happen to all the russians. They should not continue thinking themselves better than the others... they are even worse.
Look at irish people, they're wonderful. Look at swedish, Norway, Germany, Austria....and many others. I think that the russians are the worse among the slavic people.
Seeya

lonelyboy
11-28-2005, 07:14 AM
Well detective,

Anyway I hope that you should take care of yourself with Ukrainians too. Most of them LOVE Russians and have Russian habits ! Daily they even speak more Russian than their native language...
In western parts of Ukraine the mentality is different. Probably due to the catholic influence from Poland.

Dutchy013
11-28-2005, 08:17 AM
Guys,
It is hard for me to agree with all the previous opinions.
Althought my travels to Russia were limited, I have traveled a lot to other east european countries and I have had no bad experiences with the people/women overthere.
Except one time in Russia :)

ham
11-28-2005, 10:19 AM
the whole problem lies:
a) in the high & equally false & misleading expectations of most men. EG all those older men seeking (most often) tail out of their league & 1/2 their age. Come on, get real first & look in the mirror. The women they're seeking are high-maintenance, thus tricky & potentially dangerous... who are they fooling? They'd be in trouble heading that way even at home. Last week i personally saw a nearly 50yo man ( showing ALL his years ) with a 20 something beauty dressed accordingly...to please her he signed a E2400 cheque...to the pet shop owner only for whatever animal he bought her! I personally saw him signing the cheque. Now tell me how things are going to be like when it's clothing or jewellery store time.

b) In the misleading & overboard opinion most men have of themselves. Read over the internet. Outer space kind of claims abound. Men who are 35+ who claim they have been told they look like teeners; those who are 50+ yet claim they're fit as a race horse; the braggarts in their 60's claiming their model dates are all 1/3 their age & so forth. Millionaires go a dime a dozen...[u]over the internet.</u> US or else census show us a [u]different</u>picture.

So ok, he's 53 and thinks he's an affluent super-stud, and meets this 22yo porn flick FSU cutie fluent in English...then wonders when everything goes down the toilet...big deal.

c) the LD/WWW/MOB scene by its own nature mostly drafts the scum of a given population. Have you ever met someone pretending to be...a model; at times man or woman; Elton John; the Backstreet Boys; etc?
Well, i have. The few times i bothered with an in-depth investigation, it turned out they were pure fraud. A supposed "guru" on a popular fitness site having given even steroid advice for ages got busted for the half-a$$ed 15yo he was! 15yo! I wouldn't even let him park my car, let alone advise about drug usage! [u]Yet this is the internet.</u>
Now add the FSU n factor, that is lower wages, higher unemployment, agency gross & mild propaganda, the opinion western suckers will wire $ to any line on a PC screen rehashing old wind&fire, sea&earth pastel colored form letters and you have an explosive mix.

In the end the men from above would be in danger at any pub or strip club. Women are women and FSU women are from another country, not another planet. If one is a sucker, he's pretty much game anywhere, any time.
If one is on guard, then it's enough to decline the solicitation or bin the sob letter requesting money.

Detective
11-28-2005, 10:28 AM
There are always exceptions...
You know that Canada is a first world country and if you see how many homeless lying on the streets in torono you would think otherwise. Russians in general are disasters but you can find some exceptions. The idea is that they perceive westerners as fools and this is not true at all. They should look at there freaken useless principles and human values first before even turning there dumb head to the west.. Seeya

ham
11-28-2005, 01:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

There are always exceptions...
You know that Canada is a first world country and if you see how many homeless lying on the streets in torono you would think otherwise. Russians in general are disasters but you can find some exceptions. The idea is that they perceive westerners as fools and this is not true at all. They should look at there freaken useless principles and human values first before even turning there dumb head to the west.. Seeya


well, i have lived in MTl for years & know these "routards".
The only issue is: a westerner acting like a fool will be perceived & treated as such. [u] A person acting wisely will be perceived & treated accordingly.</u>
It's THAT simple.
There is no good versus bad way of being a turkey at Christmas: either you're no turkey or you're on the table.

I made some mistakes in the MOB/WWW/LD world.
If i were to keep the score, the majority were western women.
I'm wiser now.

lonelyboy
11-28-2005, 03:46 PM
Ok Ham,
I agree partly with you if we are talking about Russians...
If we behave like fools we will be treated as such SURELY. I agree.
If we behave like Russians we have a good chance to be treated as such too.
If we behave as we are used to behave at home probably we will meet the culture shock....

ham
11-28-2005, 05:36 PM
well, i am man enough to admit that when(ever) i got scammed, i could have easily solved the whole problem like i do now...that is, turning a deaf ear to the sob stories, the pastel colored canned letters, the wind&sea, fire&earth cut&paste concepts.
I was (at the time) not in my best psychological shape & sharks are known to prey best upon wounded animals.

I don't think the FSU deserves all this attention...it's the newest fad and the last white flesh market indeed, and this explains a lot of things; yet there is nothing there we haven't seen with those Manila or Bangkok girls.

babe_in_rusland
12-01-2005, 06:20 PM
Well, personally, I take 90% of the comments in this thread to be trolls to try to raise angry reactions. People are pretty much the same everywhere - some good, some bad, some indifferent. What you take to be Russian superiority is their pride in their own culture, history, and beauty of their language.

By the way, if you're going to compare cultures who have national "superiority complexes," I believe the first on the indictment list would have to be Germans. As far as who are the worst of the "Slavs" - what a meaningless, silly comment! I suppose you've never heard of the gangs of scammers in Bulgaria, Romania, and Moldova? Hate to wake you up to the fact, there are scammers everywhere, including in US and Canada. If you want to see the worst of them, look in Nigeria.

Sonar
12-02-2005, 01:07 AM
quote:Originally posted by babe_in_rusland

Well, personally, I take 90% of the comments in this thread to be trolls to try to raise angry reactions.
Trolls huh?? That's a pretty funny comment. Personally I really don't care about raising angry reactions in anyone. And if someone were to react angrily, I would expect it to be a Russian woman.
My comments were made on a basis of personal experience. A few years ago, sure I believed all of that BS about Russian women having higher family values than western women. But in reality, it turns out to be nothing more than exactly that. BS.
Do I have a problem with Russian woman because of this?? No, absolutely not. But I do have a problem with the crap that floats around the internet about Russian women having such high family values. It is simply not true.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Detective
12-02-2005, 01:46 AM
babe_in_rusland,
The problem is beyond scammers my friend. I know that canada and the united states have lots of issues.....and that scamming also occured in those countries....
What I am trying to say is that the russians are not as great as it seems to be...and they are even worse than canadians and americans.. What I hate the most about this is that people still believe that the American women have no family value whereas the russian women have... This is BS....:D

babe_in_rusland
12-02-2005, 09:48 PM
Detective, I agree with you that Russians have a "chauvanistic" attitude about their culture. But the same may be said of Americans, Brits, the French. The Brits call it "jingoism" and Americans "patriotism" - by any other name it's an attitude that their culture, language, values are superior to all others

Dutchy013
12-08-2005, 03:10 PM
FSU chauvanistic???
Champions are Americans :D
Do not misunderstand me, I have lived in the US, worked there for a number of years. I enjoyed my time there.
Ther is no people who are more chauvanistic as Americans, they have a kind of nataural superiority feeling over the rest of the world, including West Europe

Dag
12-09-2005, 01:15 AM
The blue bus is calling. The west is the best. Get on the bus and we'll do the rest.

- Ride the snake -

Detective
12-09-2005, 03:29 AM
Perfectly said Dag... the WEST is the BEST ;)

Sonar
12-09-2005, 09:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dutchy013

FSU chauvanistic???
Champions are Americans
HaHa, that's funny as hell, Dutchy. I think that 'fanatical patriotism' is actually what the Russian lady was refering to when she mentioned Russians as being chauvinistic.
Maybe you will explain in what way you think "Champions are Americans"??

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Detective
12-10-2005, 01:16 AM
Ther is no people who are more chauvanistic as Americans, they have a kind of nataural superiority feeling over the rest of the world, including West Europe...

I think they have the right coz they are the best.... As Dag said, West is the best[:o)]

Dutchy013
12-12-2005, 08:40 AM
:D I am glad I got some feedback
I guess most preople are proud about there background.
Just do not let it get in the way in meeting people.
If you meet people with the attitude that you are far superior to them, or give them this feeling, you cannot expect them to welcom you with open arms.