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elenag
12-24-2005, 07:41 PM
Dear posters,

We all, once or twice (some more) got into shouting matches with each other. No big deal, no one went home crying, right?

However, here is one thing i would like to say: if you insult someone, please expect to be insulted back. The smartest poster will usually stop first, but not always.

Therefore, please remember: treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.

Anyone disagrees?

Giles
12-24-2005, 08:37 PM
Like wise !!

Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

lonelyboy
12-24-2005, 10:46 PM
Agreed !!!
But for the scammers it is all the same....

Giles
12-24-2005, 11:22 PM
I have been emailed by a 22 year russsia. Yes I would like to be with her but but im 34, it wont happen. Which is very sad. As i said in a previous post an 18 year uk girl wanted to date me, i didn;t because of the age difference, was I wrong ?



P.S. No offence to anyone why do i keep getting younger women wanting to date me, I want someone my age.
I'm not joking.


Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

lonelyboy
12-24-2005, 11:30 PM
Giles, we have been talking about this "problem" in another topic area already.
I would say, we have so many different tastes in this matter.
It is always an agreement of TWO people what they want. If both want the same it is ok.
What did happen for example to Elton John ....

Detective
12-25-2005, 12:09 AM
Elenag,
Thanks so much. By saying so, I think I am the smartest around (coz I stopped first)...
Thanks again,
As for Giles,
I am not talking to nick anymore coz I donno what happened to him or where is he.... Any ideas where might he be??

lonelyboy
12-25-2005, 12:13 AM
Probably he is in Russia now...
I hope he will soon be back and tell us good news....

Giles
12-25-2005, 08:07 AM
Elton John, You've just put me off my xmas meal. [V]
He has just had the first gay wedding in the UK.
Gay weddings [V]. Ok each to there own.


Nick went to Russia for 2 weeks, he told me that a week or so ago.

These are my own Opinions. nothing more. I don't want to Offend.



Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

ham
12-25-2005, 09:20 AM
well, i see things differently...
a) insult is something out of context said to raise the heat, like.
A: i voted for ABC this year and i think Y law is for the best
B: you f@cking racist a$$hole...

that is something gratuitous, which adds nothing to the discussion, unlike

A: i am agains death penalty...so cruel & ineffective
B: i favor it because an eye for an eye; it is ineffective mainly because it is seldom applies, and with unjust long delays in between sentence & execution [from a sociology book] so that the public perceives the inmate as a "victim" rather than the vicious criminal he is.


quote:Therefore, please remember: treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.


political correctness is for people who make a profit out of it, EG criminals, journalists, politicians or lawyers.

If that means that i have to buy anyhing & say anything is ok, otherwise i'm rubbing someone the wrong way and that adds bad karma, then the hell with it.

ham
12-25-2005, 09:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Giles

I have been emailed by a 22 year russsia. Yes I would like to be with her but but im 34, it wont happen. Which is very sad. As i said in a previous post an 18 year uk girl wanted to date me, i didn;t because of the age difference, was I wrong ?



P.S. No offence to anyone why do i keep getting younger women wanting to date me, I want someone my age.
I'm not joking.


Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.



i will just repeat myself: who is most "vulnerable": someone her age, or some older man? The older the more vulnerable.
I'll rephrase it: which situation is more likely to "get him hooked"? A woman his age...or some pretty, much younger fox flattering his ego with compliments about say his looks or personality?
1+1=2
As well remember:
WWW/LD stuff is not real life. Period.
You're "dating" nobody...read http://www.stopscammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=501
and see what can happen... liars, gender/age benders, fake pictures, mind games...i know it first hand.

elenag
12-26-2005, 03:36 PM
guys, guys!
we have a whole thread devoted to the age difference argument. in this thread i asked a question about politeliness, what does it has to do with the age difference discussion? how did we land there again?
ham, i read your answer [to my question] twice and i am still not sure whether it was a yes or a no. could you clarify it for me? a hint: a good answer would relate to the question i asked, and it also could include a yes, a no, or a it depends.
after that i guess we can close this topic?
p.s. hope everyone had a very merry xmas!

ham
12-26-2005, 04:52 PM
quote:ham, i read your answer [to my question] twice and i am still not sure whether it was a yes or a no. could you clarify it for me? a hint: a good answer would relate to the question i asked, and it also could include a yes, a no, or a it depends.
after that i guess we can close this topic?


i wasn't responding to you (again)...was i?
see, that's why i said you have issues to deal with...
you see shadows after you eveverywhere...relax, you're not the belly button of the whole world.
The poster "Giles" asked why he keeps getting hits from much younger girls against his wish, and to him i replied.
Of course he can do whatever he wants.
If the "age gap" talks rub you the wrong way, well it's your problem...even in the other post it was you stepping in with a different perspective, then posing as oh-so-offended by my comments...


quote:Therefore, please remember: treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.

Anyone disagrees?

answer:


quote:If that means that i have to buy anyhing & say anything is ok, otherwise i'm rubbing someone the wrong way and that adds bad karma, then the hell with it.


is it enough?

elenag
12-26-2005, 06:00 PM
was is a yes? to my question?
oh my god, can you say yes or no?

lonelyboy
12-26-2005, 06:51 PM
When did you get a clear answer or opinion from Ham ....???

ham
12-26-2005, 07:22 PM
yes or no what?
that i must nod in agreement to whatever you say otherwise you feel violated or offended?
hahaha!
then do and/or think whatever you please.


quote:When did you get a clear answer or opinion from Ham ....???


my opinions are so (un)clear people feel compelled to band crusades against them...as if i cared.
Hey...did my words raise a ghost or something...? Well, too bad. I say what i think.
but as i say, think whatever you want...just don't expect me to buy it...
I just couldn't keep track of all the chipped shoulders to tell each&every of them what they want to hear...i just couldn't...sorry...
[:o)][:o)]

elenag
12-26-2005, 09:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham

yes or no what?
that i must nod in agreement to whatever you say otherwise you feel violated or offended?

no... actually.... my question is at the top of the page, and it is: "if you insult someone, please expect to be insulted back. The smartest poster will usually stop first, but not always. Therefore, please remember: treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.
anyone disagrees?"

the words "anyone disagrees" have a question mark after them. That indicated the question.

do you have a problem with understanding the question? if you disagree, you say "yes", and if you agree, you say "no". maybe it is a bit confusing? ok, let me try it this way: "if you insulted someone, you can expect to be insulted back. treat each other how you would like to be treated. do you agree with this statement?" that should be a simple yes or no (or maybe) answer, i hope.

elenag
12-26-2005, 09:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by lonelyboy

When did you get a clear answer or opinion from Ham ....???

on occasion i had :D.

Giles
12-26-2005, 11:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham

well, i see things differently...
a) insult is something out of context said to raise the heat, like.
A: i voted for ABC this year and i think Y law is for the best
B: you f@cking racist a$$hole...

that is something gratuitous, which adds nothing to the discussion, unlike

A: i am agains death penalty...so cruel & ineffective
B: i favor it because an eye for an eye; it is ineffective mainly because it is seldom applies, and with unjust long delays in between sentence & execution [from a sociology book] so that the public perceives the inmate as a "victim" rather than the vicious criminal he is.


quote:Therefore, please remember: treat others like you would like to be treated yourself.


political correctness is for people who make a profit out of it, EG criminals, journalists, politicians or lawyers.

If that means that i have to buy anyhing & say anything is ok, otherwise i'm rubbing someone the wrong way and that adds bad karma, then the hell with it.




Ham, get a life.!!
Racist ?, Ok why Have i had 2 asian girl friends !!
I am not against gay Marriages. Elton John jokes about being Gay. Maybe you should too. Plus It's not racist it's called sexistism!!
I had friends in the past who are gay, male and female so keep your comments to your self. !!!
Plus Don't swear at me !!
Why do some people get so worked up on here. ??
If that's what someone want's then it's there choice. Don't Flame people for having Opinions . !!
I'll be friends with anyone but not people like you who are so small minded like you. !!
If I am bothered about age difference then that is my choice, again don't flame people for having an Opinion.






Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

Giles
12-26-2005, 11:48 PM
Plus I think this post should be closed it could get very bad, this site does not need posts likes this !!.

Aren't we trying to be helping each other ??





Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

lonelyboy
12-27-2005, 06:50 AM
Sometimes everyone should be more serious in answers.
Still some people are seriously looking for the mates despite of so many negative opinions about the chances....

ham
12-27-2005, 07:34 AM
quote:Ham, get a life.!!
Racist ?, Ok why Have i had 2 asian girl friends !!
I am not against gay Marriages. Elton John jokes about being Gay. Maybe you should too. Plus It's not racist it's called sexistism!!
I had friends in the past who are gay, male and female so keep your comments to your self. !!!
Plus Don't swear at me !!
Why do some people get so worked up on here. ??
If that's what someone want's then it's there choice. Don't Flame people for having Opinions . !!
I'll be friends with anyone but not people like you who are so small minded like you. !!
If I am bothered about age difference then that is my choice, again don't flame people for having an Opinion.

and who ever raised all those concerns you get so hot about?
1 i never said you were a racist because
I i don't care
II i wasn't discussing that
III who ever raised the "gay" item...?
I gave 2 generic example of what for me is a constructive/non constructive debate.

quote:a) insult is something out of context said to raise the heat, like.
A: i voted for ABC this year and i think Y law is for the best
B: you f@cking racist a$$hole...


now are you referring to voting ABC or law Y, or just skipper through my post to find buzz words to get excited about?


quote:"if you insulted someone, you can expect to be insulted back. treat each other how you would like to be treated. do you agree with this statement?" that should be a simple yes or no (or maybe) answer, i hope.

i do not care at all if anyone is bothered by what i say so that they feel "insulted" (not given a different opinion) and feel the urge to "insult back" rather than discuss, before they call their analyst with shaky hands about this bad boy on the other side of a pc screen. I don't care.
Now stop playing silly mind games and look at yourself.


quote:Still some people are seriously looking for the mates despite of so many negative opinions about the chances....

there are so many forums on agency payrolls that will tell you just anything you want to hear. Of course nobody bothers with "insuccess stories" but to each its own.


quote:If I am bothered about age difference then that is my choice, again don't flame people for having an Opinion.


i wasn't talking about that at all...but if you really want to be offended, then who am i to stop you?


quote:I'll be friends with anyone but not people like you who are so small minded like you. !!


I) you are lines on a pc screen. I have nothing against you, but if you want to join the crusade against me & feel better, then make yourself comfortable. in 5 minutes i log off & go to work.


quote:on occasion i had

translation of this bandwagon appeal=

that damn idiot raised ghosts in my mind with his rebuttal of my very unconventional opinions. Well, now i say let him pay for it. I'll be after him until he leaves or something. My theraphist says it's the best step & i'll feel better afterwards.

HAHAHAHA!

Sonar
12-27-2005, 11:46 AM
quote:Originally posted by Giles

Plus I think this post should be closed it could get very bad, this site does not need posts likes this !!.

Aren't we trying to be helping each other ??





Now I'm not Buffy's Watcher I need a new Hobby.
Well I could get the Kawasaki ZX-9R out. Warp speed Mr Sulu.

HaHa!!!! Helping each other do what???? As Ham says, its nothing more than lines on a pc screen.
If someone asks specific information about a suspected scammer, and recieves an accurate reply, then yes, that could be considered helping.
Opinions, advice, ideas, agreements and disagreements are totally subjective and should be taken that way. To think any other way is foolish.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Detective
12-27-2005, 02:04 PM
Thumbs up to Sonar and Ham.... "DETECTIVE"

elenag
12-27-2005, 02:38 PM
Ham,
As close as i can figure it out, you do not care whom you offend, however after you offend them, you get those unfair "crusades" against you, but you don't care, you don't care about other people and their pathetic opinions (in general but especially about you), because in your mind you know that you are always right...
correct me where if am wrong...:D
you are the one who gets hot and bothered. otherwise you wouldn't answer to every negative comment about you. you would just let it go (at least from time to time). but you answer, and to me it looks that you are bothered by it. very bothered.
bothered. you. :D so, what are you going to call me this time? i can't wait to find out.:D
we all are bothered, and you are no exception. you are just the same admit it. :D
ok, i am going to close my laptop screen, i am afraid all the spit from ham's foaming mouth is going to get on my keyboard:D
i will come back when it is safe.

elenag
12-27-2005, 02:43 PM
ok, let's sum up all the answers.
lonelyboy and giles - care for others, and agree with my suggestion to be polite to each other.
detective - agrees on the paper but supports the ones who disagrees tp be polite (let's call him undecided)
ham - do not care to be polite to others, and do not care for others in generals
sonar - didn't say anything about being polite to others, but support the idea of not caring about others.
me - well, my opinion is stated at the beginning of the post. about caring others - i do care. especially if they care back.
anyone else forgot to turn in their votes?
if no, i think we can close this thread any time you guys want to.

ham
12-27-2005, 03:01 PM
quote:you wouldn't answer to every negative comment about you. you would just let it go (at least from time to time). but you answer, and to me it looks that you are bothered by it. very bothered.


HAHAHA!
you go ghost busting here.
I don't care.
You jumped in the other thread defending your peculiar views as "true" versus mine as "impolite" or whatever.
Bothered?
By whom?
hell, i got the very same reaction when i said:
* that men often lie about themselves over the WWW & there aren't that many sixfigures neurosurgeons according to US census.
* that i don't think the FSU is a viable option for non-whites crazed about white a$$.
* that agencies often lie, if that serves their interests; and often sell hot air.
* The Elena P* franchise tried charachter assassination when i busted one misleading/false "success story" on their pages.
Etc etc.
I told they even called me a pedophile; they said i "hated all americans" (?); that i was some KKK zealot; that i was some undercover agent from a competing agency; that i was not 2, but 3 or 4 different aliases; blabla.
Well, i got used to it and i understand that's the only way toothless dogs can react when you pat their chipped shoulder.
When the sun sets, i'm not the one posting false/misleading testimonials; i'm not the one signing scammers up because their profile sells; i'm not into grandmothers, and not into grandchildren; i'm the only one whose nickname is the same wherever i go (of course there may be other people using it as well); etc: for me that is enough.

Now let me help you...look awesome...serve me again that "xam" in russian means "rude person"...then we're done.


quote:you do not care whom you offend, however after you offend them

If you find that too many people are stepping on your feet, perhaps it's not entirely their fault; your feet are just way too big.

I'll repeat again, then i'm done.

quote:a) insult is something out of context said to raise the heat, like.
A: i voted for ABC this year and i think Y law is for the best
B: you f@cking racist a$$hole...

that is something gratuitous, which adds nothing to the discussion, unlike

A: i am against death penalty...so cruel & ineffective
B: i favor it because an eye for an eye; it is ineffective mainly because it is seldom applied, and with unjust long delays in between sentence & execution [from a sociology book] so that the public perceives the inmate as a "victim" rather than the vicious criminal he is.

Detective
12-27-2005, 03:36 PM
Guys,
I just don't get it. What is the idea behind classifying people as polite or impolite. We are not here to judge each other. Your imagination is way beyond what is needed for this discussion. I am not talking specifically about anyone.... I also don't get it why elenag is focusing on ham .. He says, in elenag's opinion, that he doesn't care about anyone... and I think she misunderstood him coz he is not posting here to make friends... he is here for discussing specific issues and for specific purposes... and in my opinion he is very knowledgeable.. and I do not see his comments as rude as they describe. I am not his advocate but I usually do not focus on politeness issue a lot. I have my reasons of being an active poster here and Ham's opinion is completely logic to me.... I do not care about someone being polite or not.....
Elenag, I remember you said once that the smartest should stop first... may I ask you why are you continuing this useless discussion about who is polite and who is not?

elenag
12-27-2005, 05:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham
you go ghost busting here.
I don't care.
You jumped in the other thread defending your peculiar views as "true" versus mine as "impolite" or whatever.

no, your views are your views. the way you express them is impolite and direspectful. do not confuse your views and your attitudes. they are not the same.



quote:Originally posted by ham
Bothered?
By whom?
hell, i got the very same reaction when i said:
* that men often lie about themselves over the WWW & there aren't that many sixfigures neurosurgeons according to US census.
* that i don't think the FSU is a viable option for non-whites crazed about white a$$.
* that agencies often lie, if that serves their interests; and often sell hot air.
* The Elena P* franchise tried charachter assassination when i busted one misleading/false "success story" on their pages.
Etc etc.
I told they even called me a pedophile; they said i "hated all americans" (?); that i was some KKK zealot; that i was some undercover agent from a competing agency; that i was not 2, but 3 or 4 different aliases; blabla.
Well, i got used to it and i understand that's the only way toothless dogs can react when you pat their chipped shoulder.
When the sun sets, i'm not the one posting false/misleading testimonials; i'm not the one signing scammers up because their profile sells; i'm not into grandmothers, and not into grandchildren; i'm the only one whose nickname is the same wherever i go (of course there may be other people using it as well); etc: for me that is enough.

i have heard this at least 4 times by now. i don't understand. what all of that has to do with this discussion? i have no idea where those discussions happened, with whom, what arguments each side had... i never called you a pedofile, or american hater, or whatever. so could you please stop wasting my time proving to me that those things were not true? or that you were right in those arguments? or, do you think if you were right then, you are right about all other issued in the world? i don't understand your reasoning for bringing those things over and over and over.. i have won a few arguments of my own in the past... should i start bringing all of them up, too, because it proves my point here?




quote:Originally posted by ham
If you find that too many people are stepping on your feet, perhaps it's not entirely their fault; your feet are just way too big.

who is stepping on my feet? you and detective? that's not too many people to me. in fact, i met only a very few people in my life were so adament about disaproving of my choice in marriage. so, don't use this argument, it just doesn't hold true. i know hundreds of people, and a total of maybe 6 or 9 of them we got in fights with about the age difference marriages. the rest are just fine with my choice of a partner. and you are not stepping on my feet. feel free to express your opinion about my vews, just try to do it respectfully.



quote:Originally posted by ham
I'll repeat again, then i'm done.
a) insult is something out of context said to raise the heat, like.
A: i voted for ABC this year and i think Y law is for the best
B: you f@cking racist a$$hole...

that is something gratuitous, which adds nothing to the discussion, unlike

A: i am against death penalty...so cruel & ineffective
B: i favor it because an eye for an eye; it is ineffective mainly
yes, but that's not what i was talking about. i see your arguments about the age difference and i respect you having an opinion that is not the same as mine. what i do not care about is the way to try to blacken everything i say, the way you talk to me, and the way you behave (snobish, nose high in the air, talking very negatively and disrespectful to everyone who has an opinion that you do not approve). look at your posts. the second anyone disagrees with you you start flaming them hard. why?

elenag
12-27-2005, 05:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

Guys,
I just don't get it. What is the idea behind classifying people as polite or impolite. We are not here to judge each other.
That's very good, detective. So why don't you share this view with Mr. Ham? Talking about judging others.... i think among us all he is the master of the judgement art.


quote:Originally posted by Detective
I also don't get it why elenag is focusing on ham ..

because he behaves like Nick. very agressive and disrespectful. Nick was knowledgeble, too. in fact, Nick was a lot more knowledgeble than Ham. and i still did not think that it gave him a right to be rude to others. i argued with Nick about it, too, remember?


quote:Originally posted by Detective
He says, in elenag's opinion, that he doesn't care about anyone... and I think she misunderstood him coz he is not posting here to make friends... he is here for discussing specific issues and for specific purposes... and in my opinion he is very knowledgeable.. and I do not see his comments as rude as they describe.

i do. i think his comments about my choices and my believes are very offensive. (i bet now we will hear the old "smoker and drinker" argument... which can't even count as a valid argument since Mr. Ham doesn't have a statistic to show that age difference marriages increases the failure rate, just like smoking increases chances of cancer. but this is not the thread to go back to that discussion. we have another thread open just for that, so let's keep this thread as clean of other issues as possible, please!)




quote:Originally posted by Detective
I am not his advocate but I usually do not focus on politeness issue a lot. I have my reasons of being an active poster here and Ham's opinion is completely logic to me.... I do not care about someone being polite or not.....

I do. i think all people should be free to express their opinions, as far as it is done in a respectful and non-combative manner.



quote:Originally posted by Detective
Elenag, I remember you said once that the smartest should stop first... may I ask you why are you continuing this useless discussion about who is polite and who is not?

is this an implication that i am smarter than ham?:D if so, thank you detective. that is very flattering.:D
well, the issue of politeness is dear to my heart. i think i will keep trying to resolve it, if it is ok with you.

lonelyboy
12-27-2005, 07:51 PM
Often I see that the discussion goes astray from the original topic.
Why does it happen so ? And how does it help us to solve the problem of scamming. Sometimes difficult to understand...
Sorry for my opinions.

elenag
12-27-2005, 08:05 PM
no need to apologize. you are right, we are discussing issues well beyong just Russian scams.

ham
12-27-2005, 08:08 PM
quote:the way you express them is impolite and direspectful. do not confuse your views and your attitudes.

hahaha!
you remind me of those minority oh-so-sensible people who say the same when you bring up say minority ridden crime rates...all in all, it doesn't matter whether it comes from some anodyne census report or some KKK site: they always cry "disrespect"...ok, ok...i understand they're red in anger because the topic bothers them and try to focus on something else.


quote:because he behaves like Nick. very agressive and disrespectful.

?????????????
so, quote one disrespectful sentence...


quote:Nick was knowledgeble, too. in fact, Nick was a lot more knowledgeble than Ham.

The tooth fairy is even more so. Don't get me started about Santa Claus...


quote:i think his comments about my choices and my believes are very offensive

i typed a dozen times i don't care what you do.
But (see example above) the only shadow of disagreement bringing up "some" topics gets on your nerves...
You could write an "*** history month" essay about it...hey...
internet hatemongers: the bare facts.


quote:since Mr. Ham doesn't have a statistic to show that age difference marriages increases the failure rate,

what are you afraid of?
that you'll end like those couples you read about in the news?
oh, but you're waaay better, so turn page, ok?


quote:so could you please stop wasting my time proving to me that those things were not true? or that you were right in those arguments?

do you read my posts, don't you?
you said there is risk of someone "insulting back"...i said: insult back all you want, i don't care (and gave examples).


quote:in fact, i met only a very few people in my life were so adament about disaproving of my choice in marriage. so, don't use this argument, it just doesn't hold true. i know hundreds of people, and a total of maybe 6 or 9 of them we got in fights with about the age difference marriages.

"only a bigot would raise the topic of minority crime: that's so disrespectful towards ***. In fact, you & ABC are the only ones to ever say it's not ok ".
yes, yes...same answer...as i sad, to me it borders nonsense, but perhaps you reinvented the wheel...who knows...


quote:what i do not care about is the way to try to blacken everything i say, the way you talk to me, and the way you behave (snobish, nose high in the air, talking very negatively and disrespectful to everyone who has an opinion that you do not approve). look at your posts. the second anyone disagrees with you you start flaming them hard. why?

haha...
do you really can feel that much reading lines on a pc screen?
are you psychic?
And the second anyone disagrees with you, you start tirades against them and/or run in circles...come on, i replied to someone else and you jumped in twice as if i were talking to you...relax princess, you're not the belly button of the universe.
Then of course once i reply to you, then you feel blackmailed & victimized...
As far as i'm concerned, in another post someone even called me a "rughead"...did i bother? No way...They can think whatever they want...

end of story.

elenag
12-27-2005, 08:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham
ok, ok...i understand they're red in anger because the topic bothers them and try to focus on something else.

if i was trying to focus on somethinig else, would i bring this discussion up again (against my own best judgement)? what do you think?


quote:Originally posted by ham
?????????????
so, quote one disrespectful sentence...


ok... how about this one: "I don't care whom you sleep with...i say: come after 15 or 20 years and let's talk.
Afraid you won't be there as many because of divorce?
Not my problem.
It's useless you yell yourself hoarse now...every freshly married idiot thinks he'll last a lifetime."
it is my understanding that you implied that i am a freshly married idiot?

or... let's take this one: "Now i expect miss smart cookie to start bending over backward saying that is not true and that she knows a couple people who don't fit in..."
i think that "miss smart cookie" was not a very respectful way to address me.

i remember you even called Sonar a Rambo or something like at one point. or was it about soldiers who fighting in Iraq? You called many presients liars and whatever other names. Ok, here is this quote: : ?the only soldiers i can get Rambo quotes from are those in service. Hint: Kenndy was having sleazy weekends while sending soldiers to die in Vietnam. Doublejew opted for national guard, yet thicked the "non wanting to volunteer overseas" box...very brave. Another chicken pleaded homosexual; a third said he wanted to become a priest, then dodged the seminary when the war ended."

i am not an American, and i do not care about politics, but even i feel offended by your comments. but ok, politics are not my strongest side, so i won't argue about them. but reading through the G. Bush post i am amazed at the total luck of respect on your side to Sonar views. Or do you think you were perfectly polite and respectful?



quote:Originally posted by ham
quote:Nick was knowledgeble, too. in fact, Nick was a lot more knowledgeble than Ham.

The tooth fairy is even more so. Don't get me started about Santa Claus...

what? i didn't understand this comment... what are you saying?


quote:i think his comments about my choices and my believes are very offensive


quote:Originally posted by ham
i typed a dozen times i don't care what you do.

good. then why do you care so much to prove me wrong?



quote:Originally posted by ham
But (see example above) the only shadow of disagreement bringing up "some" topics gets on your nerves...
You could write an "*** history month" essay about it...hey...
internet hatemongers: the bare facts.

sometimes your comments make no sense to me... but whatever... let's say it was something smart....



quote:Originally posted by ham
haha...
do you really can feel that much reading lines on a pc screen?

i guess. those lines on the screen give me some idea what kind of a person is in front of me, and i feel differently toward each poster. i feel sympathy for one, a respect for another, an annoyence with the third one and the curiosity toward the forth one. i can see the level of competence, self-esteem, etc. i can guess the personalities and i can imagine why the people behave the way they do.
dozens of people contact me every day (on my web site). if i did not feel anyting toward them, why would i spend time helping them? i care about them (not all, but majority). or is that wrong, too?



quote:Originally posted by hamAnd the second anyone disagrees with you, you start tirades against them and/or run in circles...come on, i replied to someone else and you jumped in twice as if i were talking to you...relax princess, you're not the belly button of the universe.

here is one more for your collection. calling me a princess i think it not nice and respectful of you. why do you prove yourself disrespectful when we are just talking about it?

ham
12-27-2005, 10:47 PM
quote:?the only soldiers i can get Rambo quotes from are those in service. Hint: Kenndy was having sleazy weekends while sending soldiers to die in Vietnam. Doublejew opted for national guard, yet thicked the "non wanting to volunteer overseas" box...very brave. Another chicken pleaded homosexual; a third said he wanted to become a priest, then dodged the seminary when the war ended."


a) there are websites with bios of all those people (eg the one who pleaded homosexual etc; and all know who dodged Vietnam enrolling with the national guard; Kennedy was having sleazy weekends with wh-rettes while american soldiers were packed & sent dying.

So what you call "disrespect" are facts...or are you saying nobody was having sleazy weekends and/or nobody was dodging conscription?


quote:i think that "miss smart cookie" was not a very respectful way to address me.


Godzilla's feet are tinier than yours, then.


quote:It's useless you yell yourself hoarse now...every freshly married idiot thinks he'll last a lifetime."

isn't that true?
But quoting abstracts is a chicken way...i also said: otherwise they wouldn't get married to start with.
Now can you challenge this statement: every freshly married idiot think he'll last a lifetime, otherwise he wouldn't get married to start with?


quote:
good. then why do you care so much to prove me wrong?




i have nothing to "prove". I said to me it borders nonsense, but maybe you reinvented the wheel...it's you feeling challenged, not me...


quote:i am amazed at the total luck of respect on your side to Sonar views.

I simply disagree on that item & i have proof to substantiate my disbelief. What would be "respect" for you? I simply quoted facts you can find publicly...do you think it's a conspiracy? Untrue? Well, that's your choice, not mine.


quote:calling me a princess i think it not nice and respectful of you.

Godzilla's feet are like a tadpole's compared to yours.
Well, ok miss oh-so-sensitive.


quote:i say: come after 15 or 20 years and let's talk.
Afraid you won't be there as many because of divorce?
Not my problem.


well, i happen to think like that...you go ahead & prove me wrong.


quote:dozens of people contact me every day (on my web site). if i did not feel anyting toward them, why would i spend time helping them? i care about them (not all, but majority). or is that wrong, too?


is "making a living?" too disrespectful?
That's your job...or are you on an apostolic mission?

elenag
12-28-2005, 01:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
a) there are websites with bios of all those people (eg the one who pleaded homosexual etc; and all know who dodged Vietnam enrolling with the national guard; Kennedy was having sleazy weekends with wh-rettes while american soldiers were packed & sent dying.

So what you call "disrespect" are facts...or are you saying nobody was having sleazy weekends and/or nobody was dodging conscription?
i am not big on politics or history, so i will not argue any facts above. the only thing that i will argue is that calling soldiers in Iraq "Rambos" was not nice no matter what political opinion you are of.

even if you are right and all those people did what they say they did... why do you get so, as you say, hot and bothered about it? they are not even your politicians! why are you so fast with name calling? one is sleazy, the second one is a chicken, the third one is a liar... and whatever other name you called him (i am talking about Bush). can you hold a debate without using offensive names or attitudes? or do you just use those to make your point? you judge people so easily. but do you know all the facts about them? from where? books and magazines that were written by other people? who also, probably, got that info from someone else? you do not know eny of those people personally, do you? unless you know that information or those politicians first hand, how could you possible be able to judge them accurately? do you know all the factors that influenced their decisions or actions throughout this careers? or do you not care about that also? what do you care about? from our conversation one could conclude that "i do not care" is your motto.




quote:Originally posted by ham
Godzilla's feet are tinier than yours, then.

my feet are size 7.5 which i think is just about right for someone my height. sometimes people do step on them (mostly accidently). i try not to hold it against them. i think i am rather forgiving that way.
is everything ok? you are just starting to sound more and more.. frustrated.





quote:Originally posted by ham
isn't that true?
But quoting abstracts is a chicken way...i also said: otherwise they wouldn't get married to start with.

so, everyone who is freshly married is an idiot?

also, i never thought of a couple that were married for 5.5 years as "freshly" married? but ok, if you think so. when do you think a couple will graduate from "freshly married" to just "married"? 6 years? 10? 20? can you give me a defenition of "freshly married"?




quote:Originally posted by ham
Now can you challenge this statement: every freshly married idiot think he'll last a lifetime, otherwise he wouldn't get married to start with?

I disagree with the "idiot" word. i think that entering a marriage agreement does not automatically make people idiots. neither do i think that only idiots enter marriage agreement. either way your question becomes difficult to asnwer. so can you refrase that so i could answer it?





quote:Originally posted by ham
i have nothing to "prove". I said to me it borders nonsense, but maybe you reinvented the wheel...it's you feeling challenged, not me...

you have used the "wheel" line at least 3 times by now. maybe it is time to get some fresh lines?



quote:Originally posted by ham
I simply disagree on that item & i have proof to substantiate my disbelief. What would be "respect" for you? I simply quoted facts you can find publicly...do you think it's a conspiracy? Untrue? Well, that's your choice, not mine.

i have no problem with your opinion on those political events except for the way you expressed them. i think that regardless of whether or not the facts support your theories, there is no need to act disrespectful toward your opponent. i have already said that in the previous post.



quote:Originally posted by ham
Godzilla's feet are like a tadpole's compared to yours.
Well, ok miss oh-so-sensitive.

feet line take two? ok.... whatever... does it makes you feel better?.... because if it does, i am totally ok with it, go ahead and enjoy those thoughts.






quote:Originally posted by ham
well, i happen to think like that...you go ahead & prove me wrong.
ok, deal. but how will we judge? i doubt this forum is going to be here that long. maybe you could send me an email address where i could forward you our anniversary or xmas pictures from every new year? so?
time is the only judge to us all. lets let it judge.




quote:Originally posted by ham
is "making a living?" too disrespectful?
That's your job...or are you on an apostolic mission?

i wasn't talking about the investigations (those ARE my job). i was talking about the black lists and the free evaluations. those take most of my evenings about 6 days a week. speaking of which, i really need to get going. so, it was good talking to you all, see you tomorrow (or whenever next time)

Sonar
12-28-2005, 12:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by elenag
here is one more for your collection. calling me a princess i think it not nice and respectful of you. why do you prove yourself disrespectful when we are just talking about it?
Elenag,
My humble opinion is that Ham is really not trying to offend you, although some of the things that he says can certainly be considered offensive. If you feel offended, then of course you have every right to defend yourself. But I find him to be very sarcastic myself rather than offensive. Since I too can be sarcastic at times, I know that sometimes other people do not know quite how to handle it. (I'm not refering to you, I think that you handle it greatly). Although no direct insult is intended toward them, they become very defensive.
And yes, it can also be considered impolite to be sarcastic. So I will agree with you that peolple can be impolite on these boards. It is the nature of the beast.
This thread seems to be a spin off from a discussion that you guys were having last week regarding age difference. Personally I have no opinion about it since it is really nobody's business other than the two people involved. I would not be inclined to become involved with a woman 28 years younger but if another guy does and it works for him, thats great. It is his business. And if the woman involved has no problems with it, that's great also.
I do not think that elenag is trying to promote anything by simply stating that she has a very good relationship with a man that is 28 years older. She is simply saying that it works for her and she has no problem with it.
So now I will add my own brand of sarcasm to this discussion:
I hate to say it Ham, but she seems to be spanking your ass!! HaHa

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

ham
12-28-2005, 01:05 PM
quote:calling soldiers in Iraq "Rambos"

i never did, actually.
I said a few lines from the poster sounded like lines from movies such as American Ninja or Delta force (ex those unsupportive of a president are traitors ).
I never talked about soldiers in Irak:
I) these poor souls deserve at least respect because a bullet can be on their way.
II) a soldier obeys orders, thus the chiefs are accountable.


quote:one is sleazy, the second one is a chicken, the third one is a liar...

do you belong to some negro pride group or something?
See, when married Kennedy was fooling around with wh@res (married), isn't that "sleazy"?
What's the right word?
About George's national guard enrollment form, he checked "not willing to volunter overseas"...now he sends others to die, while he dodged his turn to show bravery & patriotism?
Not a coward?
What else?
Smart of course...Macarthur (?) once said: the smart soldier doesn't die for his country. He lets the enemy son of a b!tch die for his.


quote:i doubt this forum is going to be here that long. maybe you could send me an email address where i could forward you our anniversary or xmas pictures from every new year? so?


so nothing...i won't be here for sure.
You don't know whether you'll still be married, either...same as people freshly married ignore whether or not they belong to the 40-50% divorce rate...
I'm saying only that.


quote:feet line take two? ok.... whatever

that's an idiom...you're overly sensitive, hence confrontational.


quote:i was talking about the black lists and the free evaluations.

hmmm
let's see...
other vendors or service provider use niche forums as another way of exposure.
http://www.stopscammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=489
you do it to benefit humankind...very nice.


quote:I hate to say it Ham, but she seems to be spanking your ass!! HaHa


what for?
Hell, i got the last flowery MOB email from some super-hot 18yo in love witme days ago, years after i've left the scene...you guess i'll be running a penthouse styled stable by the time i'm 60...too bad by that time i'll be likely spending more on urologist's fees, viagra and finasteride than say edible underwear...but hey...
You forget i was already taken by some visa queen with a $187000 scholarship...
aaah! the internet!

Sonar
12-28-2005, 01:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham
You forget i was already taken by some visa queen with a $187000 scholarship...
aaah! the internet!

No, I havn't forgotten. She got herself into something that she could not get out of, thus the Houdini disappearing act. You know what I mean. As far as I am concrened, she was the fly, you were the swatter.
Miss eg does not fit into that category from what I read in her posts. It's easy to recognize those 'mule headed' type of women that never give in and refuse to acknowledge when they are wrong.
Just don't think that eg is one of those.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

elenag
12-29-2005, 04:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by Sonar
Elenag,
My humble opinion is that Ham is really not trying to offend you, although some of the things that he says can certainly be considered offensive. If you feel offended, then of course you have every right to defend yourself. But I find him to be very sarcastic myself rather than offensive. Since I too can be sarcastic at times, I know that sometimes other people do not know quite how to handle it.
i agree on some points and disagree on others. I think that some of his comments were pure sarcastic while others were in my opinion worded to belittle. so i decided to take action.

i agree with your assessement of the age difference problem, though.

elenag
12-29-2005, 06:25 AM
to Ham.

well, i see you somehow forgot to answer my most interesting questions... which is a real shame since they were pretty important for this discussion. so i will take a liberty and remind you of them real quick, ok?

Question number 1:
is it your opinion that everyone who is freshly married is an idiot?

Question number 2:
when, in your opinion, a married couple could graduate from the "freshly married" to "married" status? could you break it down for me? i am new to this culture, i am trying to learn as i go. :D



quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:calling soldiers in Iraq "Rambos"

i never did, actually.
I said a few lines from the poster sounded like lines from movies such as American Ninja or Delta force (ex those unsupportive of a president are traitors ).
I never talked about soldiers in Irak:
I) these poor souls deserve at least respect because a bullet can be on their way.
II) a soldier obeys orders, thus the chiefs are accountable.

Ah. i must have misunderstoof you then. The sentense ?the only soldiers i can get Rambo quotes from are those in service" in the middle of Iraq debate made me think you make fun on the American soldiers currently in service. i apologize then, it was my misunderstanding.



quote:Originally posted by ham
do you belong to some negro pride group or something?


nope. why?
by the way, the negro reference is getting old, too (no pressure, just fui)



quote:Originally posted by ham
About George's national guard enrollment form, he checked "not willing to volunter overseas"...now he sends others to die, while he dodged his turn to show bravery & patriotism??

he checked that box what.. 20 years ago? 30? i don't know (it's true, i have no clue). i am not going to judge what he is now a singe fact from his past.

when i was in middle school, i broke my teacher's favorite desk toy and hid it from everyone so she wouldn't get mad at me. i wasn't doing that great in her subject (though i honestly tried), but we had reasonably good relation with her which helped me out on occasion, so i was afraid to ruin the relationship because of the toy. she probably still thinks someone stole it. if it happened today, i would probably came forward with my apology and work things out. because i have a different prospective now. my behavior then was not flattering. since then i have donr several things that i myself consider rather brave. and i also had situations where i wish i was braver. i am working on becoming more and more consistent on behaving according to my principles, and i take pride in that. but should we forever call me a coward because of the broken toy incident?
i give myself a benefit of a doubt, and i think it would be fair to give the same or even bigger benefit to everyone else.
how about you, ham? have you ever done something in your past that now, looking back at it, you think you would do it differently?
but don't get me wrong. i am not saying Bush would do it differently now. i am just saying that i woud not base my opinion on someone else's character and call him names based on something that that person did many, many years ago. i personally think Bush is not a coward at all. sometimes he may not make the best of the situation, or does things that i think he shouldn't have done, but that's a whole different story.




quote:Originally posted by ham
so nothing...i won't be here for sure.
You don't know whether you'll still be married, either...same as people freshly married ignore whether or not they belong to the 40-50% divorce rate...
I'm saying only that.

First, no, it's not what you were saying before.

Before you were saying that only two types of women choose older partners: the mishioneries and the mentally disturbed.

Also before you were saying that me defending my opinions on this subject and my choice of the marital partner confirms the probability of my mental intsability, and that my arguments were the same as the arguments that heave smokers and drinkers use.


Second, you were offering me to come back years later and prove you wrong all the way through the previos thread and i think ones or twice in this thread already. And when i say, "Fine, i am willing to do that" you announce that you are not even interested in the results of the "time test" you yourself proposed. Why?



quote:Originally posted by ham
that's an idiom...you're overly sensitive, hence confrontational.

ah... i almost started to think you have a thing about big feet. :D but now i see. :D



quote:Originally posted by ham
other vendors or service provider use niche forums as another way of exposure.
http://www.stopscammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=489
you do it to benefit humankind...very nice.

i do, actually. the black list is an enormous time sink. i try to publish at least 20-30 scammers per week, and i am still 443 scammer reports behind (not all of them will get published, though, and many of them report the same scammer in several letters - forwarding correspondence and photos.) but that's my homework for the Xmas vacation. i will be spending my only vacation in the past 3 years publishing those 400 or so reports. why? because someone have to. do you think that i think it that will ever pay off? i wish!!!! :D

evaluations are even worse, they are usually boring and can easily grow into a long corresspondence (another time sink with no particular reward to me). sometimes i "babysit" people's correspondence reading every new incoming letter and scanning for red flags. eventually, in the distant future, the guy i am helping may want to use my services... or he may not. i will help him just the same. if i like the guy, of course. if someone just forwards me 3 letters and a picture, with the subject like "EVALUATION, PLEASE!" he may get just a link to my "101" article. I do not like when people treat me like their personal secretary. but that's another story. in short: yes, black list boosts my site popularity and therefore (hopefully) boosts my profits. however, i do not recommend you to divide the total profits earned by the amount of man-hours put into the free services. you would be rather eeeked out. :) in fact, the only way to make RD profitable business would be to drop the free services. but i did 4 years of the black list and the evaluations drag. so, yeah, i consider it a public service of a sort. however, i do plan to drop those services in the year 2006. i am starting my college next fall, so RD will either get shut down, or sold or i will find someone to take my place while still keeping the ownership. that is to be determined. in any case, i plan to concentrate on my education for the next several years.

ham
12-29-2005, 10:06 AM
quote:when, in your opinion, a married couple could graduate from the "freshly married" to "married" status? could you break it down for me? i am new to this culture, i am trying to learn as i go.

well, i read any kind of studies and opinions. my take is 10-12 years are a line after which novelty, good will & "best self" games no longer play a significant role.


quote:the only soldiers i can get Rambo quotes from are those in service

if a soldier (who is risking his life) gives me a line of rubbish (because he can't see further and/or is told so and/or endorses that opinion ) i have to respect his view because he means it. Chickens & politicians are another affair.


quote:by the way, the negro reference is getting old, too

too bad you apply the same "ideologie du ressentiment" as they do, so it's old as you want but it works...crying foul, denouncing disrespect, blahblah.


quote:i am not going to judge what he is now a singe fact from his past

idiotic statement.
there were countless americans who volunteered to die in Vietnam...at least they weren't chickens.


quote:how about you, ham? have you ever done something in your past that now, looking back at it, you think you would do it differently?


well, his father just bought his son's life back with the national guard slot ( he wasn't the only "big name" doing so )...that's reasonable by a human standpoint, but now this same chicken expects others to walk the walk, while he can only talk.


quote: personally think Bush is not a coward at all.

hmmm
from a white house bunker i can show Putin my middle finger & tell him to suck mine. I can also draw charts & win the terrorism war on paper...from a bunker. If i had to step on the carpet with Putin (#3 at russian sambo contest ), then he'd probably rip my finger off & stick it into my a$$. When planes where crashing, he "flew over there" with a bunch of cloned AF1 jets...triple chicken because the white house as a bunker to resist atomic attacks. Hitler never left Berlin and Hirohito never left Tokyo.
So i guess you have a different idea of bravery & manhood...sure, he does know how to "play safe".


quote:Before you were saying that only two types of women choose older partners: the mishioneries and the mentally disturbed.


i still think there must be something behind such a choice as 30 years age gap, irrespective of marriage chances etc.
Come on, if a 60yo man expressly seeks teeners, he's usually labelled a pervert or at least a person with issues.


quote:and that my arguments were the same as the arguments that heave smokers and drinkers use.


of course. When i point out huge age gaps mean an increased chance of failure beyond the 40-50% we have for everyday's people, you say no and you say prove it and you say this isn't enough to prove it, etc.
Smokers & drinkers' pressure groups do the same when confronted with potential risks (because not every drinker/smoker dies of illness associated with his habit ).
But as i said: it's your problem.


quote:And when i say, "Fine, i am willing to do that" you announce that you are not even interested in the results of the "time test" you yourself proposed. Why?


?????????????????????
i doubt i could be around in 20 years.
This forum will probably disappear much earlier as well.
So there is my email in my profile i have since 1997...you can store it but i cannot guarantee it will still be working 20 or 10 or 5 years from now: can YOU?
So it's not lack of interest but rather lack of certainty.


quote:ah... i almost started to think you have a thing about big feet.

i hope you're joking.
"chipped shoulder" is another idiom and has nothing to do with how clean your clothes are.


quote:why? because someone have to. do you think that i think it that will ever pay off? i wish!!!!

well, your name circulates a lot.
if your business is or not "profitable enough" or "worth keeping open" is another story.
I think the whole MOB fad is declining due to increased awareness, bad press, insuccess cases starting to make it to the courts or news, etc.
Ten years ago everyone (me included to a degree) could reasonably think FSUWs were better than sliced bread and one could have a princess, meek supermodel with 1950's styled values even if my looks are poor and i'm not some sixfigures neurosurgeon super-stud.
These days only a fool would believe that.
Sure, you get individual sirens in the night claiming they married a supermodel & they are middle school janitors; or that they married some woman half their age; or this, or that.
Not as many as to render it significant and such cases are offset daily by news of harsh divorces, scam stories & all sort of counter-evidence.

scam magnet
12-30-2005, 04:53 AM
Elenag,I can't believe this is a topic you can up with- about being polite. What a JOKE, you are such a phony.
On my first post "whats the attraction" oct. 5,2005 you were the first reply calling me, "poor mike" + "angry" your 2nd reply was wise ass remarks, your 3rd reply you said i was thinking with my cock.
I not suprized to see that your still trying to be the Queen Bee on this forum, the miss know it all, judge + jury.
As i said in my post "I never went looking for a russian woman they found me on a dating site". would you call yourself a good example of what a typical russian woman is like? or did you change when you came to the U.S.
Did you ever scam a man before you met your husband ? Have you ever participated in a scam with anyone or watched one happen. Be honest,
Dont stick your head in a hole like a ostrich. Oh,buy the way, I am not angry. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!
Mike

lonelyboy
12-30-2005, 07:22 AM
Ham,
Is a 30 year old a teener ??
I have many times told my opinion about the age gaps.
The age is not the most important factor in relationships. There are others that mean much more.
And let's say after about 28-30 the women and men change rather fast. Become more mature. Normally women earlier.
Same concerns the "freshly married". The time is not the most important to evaluate this expression, more important are other things in marriage like children, sexlife and Love for example. Some couples seem freshly married even after 50 years of marriage !

Elena, I respect your work with the black list. I am very actively looking for a woman in net. I have all the time correspondence with 10-15 women simultaneously. Most of them disappear rather fast. Some of them write for 3-6 months and I meet about 4-5 women every year.
I could inform to black list at least 10 women every week. Even this would be a hard work. But for people who make a report to you, I think it is very important to them. To become scammed and lose money is very frustrating.

Maybe I could tell my story in this connection. Once I was scammed very badly. I met the woman twice. The woman told and wrote me that she and her parents are very happy that I love want to marry her !
I did not give her much money. Only for our meetings and for some presents. Totally about 1000 Euros. But I had also my own costs for our meetings probably about 1000 Euros too. She confessed her love to me for many times. In letters and meetings. Then she suddenly disappeared after the meeting! Changed her telephone numbers and did not answer to emails. But finally the most strange thing in this case was that when I reported her, my report was not published though I asked it for many times !!! On the contrary the smaller and usual scams when I twice sent a smaller amount of money for the meeting were published. Very strange ! I was even more frustrated about this unpublished report than about the scam itself !
Comments ?

lonelyboy
12-30-2005, 07:44 AM
In Internet relations I believe less in succesfull relationships between younger people. A Russian (FSU) woman less than about 28 years old will probably be a problem. Young women find their mates in Russia. I think almost all of those profiles about women under 28(?) are very questionable (scammers)or only baits from agencies.
On the contrary for older people this can be a better chance. Many lonely older people can have difficulties to find mates locally. Also there are a lot of younger women who really want to find or accept an older man. We have different "tastes" and expectations in these matters.
Yes, we should be polite also here though we are faceless. In this way it would be much more pleasant to solve the problems for which we are here.
However many people are very serious.
GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY NEW YEAR !

babe_in_rusland
12-30-2005, 10:22 PM
For Elena G... click on the link for "Begin" on the right, and see if you recognize any of the types here...
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm


quote:Big Dog is a bully who doesn't hesitate to use his superior strength to intimidate other combatants. Big Dog may be smart, articulate or just plain mean, but in any case he is a remorseless fighter, brutally ripping into even the weakest of combatants.

elenag
12-31-2005, 03:46 AM
To Babe:

Wow, I only looked through their roster, and I am already giggling!!! :D Great stuff! Unfortunately, I am too busy with all kinds of chores (all the pre-holiday craziness!) right now, so I can?t stay online and read, which is a real shame, I think I will love that web site!



To All:

Guys,

I will not be able to participate in the discussion until after the holiday, I apologize! Just hold those thought for me, and I will be back to answer everyone.

Happy New Years to you and yours! Have fun tomorrow! S Novym Godom! S Novym Schastiem!!! (that?s Russian for Happy New Years). :)

Cheers! See you in 2006.

Sonar
12-31-2005, 05:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag,I can't believe this is a topic you can up with- about being polite. What a JOKE, you are such a phony.
On my first post "whats the attraction" oct. 5,2005 you were the first reply calling me, "poor mike" + "angry" your 2nd reply was wise ass remarks, your 3rd reply you said i was thinking with my cock.
I not suprized to see that your still trying to be the Queen Bee on this forum, the miss know it all, judge + jury.
As i said in my post "I never went looking for a russian woman they found me on a dating site". would you call yourself a good example of what a typical russian woman is like? or did you change when you came to the U.S.
Did you ever scam a man before you met your husband ? Have you ever participated in a scam with anyone or watched one happen. Be honest,
Dont stick your head in a hole like a ostrich. Oh,buy the way, I am not angry. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!
Mike
scam magnet, Very unlikely that you will get any kind of response from anyone on this board. Just a small number of people here following each other around like robots, arguing about things like dirty diapers. With the exception of a couple of guys (me included) they all seem to be owned by eg.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

scam magnet
01-01-2006, 06:00 AM
Sonar, You are probably right, its kinda like a highschool click.
And how could a woman who was writing to 100 men at once, not say, she wasnt scamming any of them. Kinda makes me wonder, if this scam detective cover is some way of trying to help men for damage done in her past activities in Russia, penence??, guilt??
we may never know, but it sure does raise some flags[?]

ham
01-01-2006, 09:04 AM
quote:With the exception of a couple of guys (me included) they all seem to be owned by eg.



it depends what you mean by "owned".
In my vocabulary that means exposing someone as a fool and/or ridiculing some far fetched assumption.
Sofar i just see her desperately trying to argue her point back.
Under the perspective of her own lines i quoted elsewhere, that can be fine...for now.
I just doubt that is what most men would like.
She is honest at least, but again let's post some stolen model pics on a free dating site, fish for oldies, then tell them her lines...
would they still be writing?
Then she's not 51 yet...24-26 from what i can gather...i've changed a lot since i was 24.
Probably in a few years she'll grow tired of "keeping her word" & working on some arranged deal...of course let's make room so that hubby can foot some extra bills.
She'll probably start going to school, meeting new people closer to her age: how can he avoid that? Distance education? I proposed that a few times & FSUWs scorned it like the plague.
Hell, it happened to the couple behind IFAR, and many others.
Soon she'll realize the deal she has worked out is too tight to cater to her further personal growth (sooner or later depending on resources available ).
Scruples?
A few water cooler/haidresser chat sessions with some local women who are divorced or in an affair will give her ammunition to soothen her guilt for ages, if she so chooses.

Sonar
01-02-2006, 01:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Sonar, You are probably right, its kinda like a highschool click.
scam magnet'
I very clearly remember her attack on you a few months ago. I found her to be making an ass out of herself and if you remember correctly, I was the only one who came to your defense. I find it to be totally ignorant for someone to tell someone else that they "need mental help" simply because they disagree.
The really funny thing about that incident ( maybe you already know this) is that the guy that you were quoting from another site (your copy and paste) was actually me.

A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

Sonar
01-02-2006, 01:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:With the exception of a couple of guys (me included) they all seem to be owned by eg.



it depends what you mean by "owned".
Example:Ham, get a life.!!
Racist ?, Ok why Have i had 2 asian girl friends !!
I am not against gay Marriages. Elton John jokes about being Gay. Maybe you should too. Plus It's not racist it's called sexistism!!
I had friends in the past who are gay, male and female so keep your comments to your self. !!!
Plus Don't swear at me !!
Why do some people get so worked up on here. ??
If that's what someone want's then it's there choice. Don't Flame people for having Opinions . !!
I'll be friends with anyone but not people like you who are so small minded like you. !!
If I am bothered about age difference then that is my choice, again don't flame people for having an Opinion.


A man's mind, streched by a new idea, will never re-gain it's original dimension.

elenag
01-02-2006, 03:55 PM
Hi everybody, and hi ScamMagnet? It has been a while since the last time we crossed out swords. :D Cheers to you, I hope you and everyone else had a great time greeting 2006.

I read all your posts from the last 2 days, and I have a few comments on those subjects of course, but before that I would like to let everyone know that I will be adjusting my schedule to fit my plans for this new year, and as a result I will have to cut my time for web entertainment (like engaging into endless philosophical and otherwise arguments) by a good percentage. So, I will be coming in only once or twice a day, for 30-40 minutes or so. So please do not think that the discussion bored me, or that I am ignoring posts. I will comment as much as my time will allow me.

Happy New Year to all.

elenag
01-02-2006, 04:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag,I can't believe this is a topic you can up with- about being polite. What a JOKE, you are such a phony.
On my first post "whats the attraction" oct. 5,2005 you were the first reply calling me, "poor mike" + "angry" your 2nd reply was wise ass remarks, your 3rd reply you said i was thinking with my cock.

I don't think I did that. I do not use profanities (except when quoting, perhaps). I said, " some people need to stop thinking with the wrong head and learn to be sceptical, and 99% of the scammers won't be of any threat to them". I didn't saY that you did [think with the wrong head], or that my comment was addressed to you.

And I didn't say you were angry. I said you sounded to me like an angry person. Which you did, in my opinion. But yes, I was sarcastic. I apologize.

And just so everyone knows what we are talking about, here is the thread. http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=372



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
I not suprized to see that your still trying to be the Queen Bee on this forum, the miss know it all, judge + jury.

I am the only woman on this forum (as far as we know). I am forced into this position. :D



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
As i said in my post "I never went looking for a russian woman they found me on a dating site". would you call yourself a good example of what a typical russian woman is like? or did you change when you came to the U.S.

I will not consider myself a 100% typical Russian woman. Most RW I know still do not want to marry overseas. So I am rather unusual that way among the ladies I knew back from Russia. Also, I was one of the first two or three RWs from my city to marry a foreigner, so it also makes my case unusual. As to the character and personality? I consider myself somewhat more independent-thinking and goal driven than most, but other than that I think I am rather typical.


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
Did you ever scam a man before you met your husband ? Have you ever participated in a scam with anyone or watched one happen. Be honest,

No on the first one, no on the second one, and as far as the third one... I have been maintaining a black list since 2003. What do you think, have I ever watched a scam happen? That's a silly question, I am sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

elenag
01-03-2006, 04:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
well, i read any kind of studies and opinions. my take is 10-12 years are a line after which novelty, good will & "best self" games no longer play a significant role.


Wow. That is something totally new for me. Live and learn! I will go tell my hubby. I bet he didt know that, either! :D





quote:Originally posted by ham

too bad you apply the same "ideologie du ressentiment" as they do, so it's old as you want but it works...crying foul, denouncing disrespect, blahblah.

Khm... I sort of thought pretty much anyone who feels offended can denounce disrespect and cry foul? Or not? I am new to this culture, please enlighten.




quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:how about you, ham? have you ever done something in your past that now, looking back at it, you think you would do it differently?


well, his father just bought his son's life back with the national guard slot ( he wasn't the only "big name" doing so )...that's reasonable by a human standpoint, but now this same chicken expects others to walk the walk, while he can only talk.


That's all very good, however, what about the question I asked? If it was the answer, then I didnt quite get it...





quote:Originally posted by ham
from a white house bunker i can show Putin my middle finger & tell him to suck mine. I can also draw charts & win the terrorism war on paper...from a bunker. If i had to step on the carpet with Putin (#3 at russian sambo contest ), then he'd probably rip my finger off & stick it into my a$$. When planes where crashing, he "flew over there" with a bunch of cloned AF1 jets...triple chicken because the white house as a bunker to resist atomic attacks. Hitler never left Berlin and Hirohito never left Tokyo.
So i guess you have a different idea of bravery & manhood...sure, he does know how to "play safe".


So, you want to see Bush challenge Putin into a wrestling contest on a red carpet? And I have no idea where or why he flew "over there" with cloned jets? But you know what? never mind? the Bush thing is just not what i want to be spending my time on. But thank you for elaborating.



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Before you were saying that only two types of women choose older partners: the mishioneries and the mentally disturbed.

i still think there must be something behind such a choice as 30 years age gap, irrespective of marriage chances etc.
Of course there is! I personally find guys in their late 30es and up the best marriage partners. Most already been through the process and hopefully their worst marriage (and possibly parental) mistakes already have been made. They do not seem to be as self-absorbed. They seem to appreciate a good marriage partner more. Not all, of course. But the ones who do are the ones I think would make a great marriage partner.




quote:Originally posted by ham
Come on, if a 60yo man expressly seeks teeners, he's usually labelled a pervert or at least a person with issues.

If he is seeking teenagers, especially pre-legal, then of course! However, a woman in her early to mid-twenties is not a teenager, is she? The instincts, I think, dictate that a younger female is a better choice of a mate because she will produce more children, and possibly healthier children. Also, I do not think that the age in itself (just the fact of age) is a 100% deciding factor. I believe that looks and attitudes are important, too. I think that if you put a fit, toned, well-groomed and energetic 35-years old next to a 280lb 22 years old dull cronically depressed girl, most men would chose the 35 years old one. But I do not know for sure. I am just guessing.





quote:Originally posted by ham
When i point out huge age gaps mean an increased chance of failure beyond the 40-50% we have for everyday's people, you say no and you say prove it and you say this isn't enough to prove it, etc.

No, that's not why I said ?prove it?. You compared my arguments to the ones used by smokers to defend their harmful habits.

We all know that there have been endless amount of researches showing the bad affects of smoking. However, there are no studies yet(to my knowledge) that would show that age difference marriages produce a very high failure rate when compared to the rest of the marriages. So, unless such study is performed, no one of us can say for sure what effect if any the age difference plays in the failure rate. So, your comparison does not hold logic. One example has studies and experiments showing the exact effects. The second example has nothing but our own guesstimations and believes. How can you say that they are the same and could be compared as equals?

I, by the way, never said that age difference marriages are not a higher risk. In fact, on previous occasions I mentioned that I do consider them to be higher risk, but not nearly to the degree you think they are. I repeat: I think personal qualities, compatibility and moral values play much more crucial role in the success or failure of marriage, than a number of years between the spouses.




quote:Originally posted by ham
i doubt i could be around in 20 years.
This forum will probably disappear much earlier as well.
So there is my email in my profile i have since 1997...you can store it but i cannot guarantee it will still be working 20 or 10 or 5 years from now: can YOU?
So it's not lack of interest but rather lack of certainty.


I agree. However, you said this: ?I don't care whom you sleep with...i say: come after 15 or 20 years and let's talk. Afraid you won't be there as many because of divorce? Not my problem.?

It was at that time that I really wanted to say, ?How can either of us know where we will be here in 15 or 20 years from now? You are asking me to come 20 years later with a proof, and you make it your best argument. It has a faulty logic in it?s very core. If I am not here in 20 years with the proof because I am dead (god forbid), or lost a link to this discussion, then would it prove you were right and I was wrong on the age difference subject??

But, I decided that would make you cry out ?Here we have the proof! She is bending backwards over to avoid the issue!?. Would make me look bad either way.

So, I decided that agreeing to take your challenge would be the fastest way to put those issues under your nose without bringing them up myself? and it worked, I think.





quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:ah... i almost started to think you have a thing about big feet.

i hope you're joking.

I was, I will admit it. A thought of you fantasizing about Godzilla feet was just too good to resist.

Good night to all!

ham
01-03-2006, 05:41 AM
quote:Khm... I sort of thought pretty much anyone who feels offended can denounce disrespect and cry foul?

as others say, you can either freeze up & cry foul, or poke fun at others, depending on which serves your interests better. Those into unconventional lifesyles always do that. Good for them.


quote:That's all very good, however, what about the question I asked? If it was the answer, then I didnt quite get it...

you don't get a lot of things. Do you mean the time as a kid i stole an apple? Or the day i didn't take a shower? Or yelled back in anger at someone? Or crapped my pants? or sped way beyond legal limit? Or perhaps i didn't pay 100% of due taxes? Well, i'm sorry but you are light years from someone who willingly dodges conscription, [u]THEN</u>sends other to die under the same law or "national security" ghost menace he dodged. It's like the minority vicious murderer claiming some "crackers" pay no taxes, thus he didn't get his welfare cheque and that "desperation" turned him into a murderer...but whatever floats your boat.


quote:And I have no idea where or why he flew "over there" with cloned jets?

September 11 he flew away fearing for his life (this gets old) despite the white house has antiatomic bunkers; because he feared even more, there was not one, but a few airplanes identical to his flying at the same time, to probably fool some muslim topgun death squad.


quote:If he is seeking teenagers, especially pre-legal, then of course! However, a woman in her early to mid-twenties is not a teenager, is she? The instincts, I think, dictate that a younger female is a better choice of a mate because she will produce more children, and possibly healthier children. Also, I do not think that the age in itself (just the fact of age) is a 100% deciding factor. I believe that looks and attitudes are important, too.

nice pseudo-scientific explanation of why old men like arm candy half their age.
Most of them are divorced already and often with children, so i don't think they are chasing tail for the sake of a strong progeny as the main reason.
in your other post you said you were 19-20, not 25.
They like hot a$$; they're no mormons.
"Just the age", no.
"300 pounds depressed etc ", no.
But we all know oldies screen women closer to their age out of the picture immediately, same as they bin the profile of the 18yo fat, ugly girl.
They never get to evaluate the 35yo good-looking woman because in the search engine the age gap is set 18-22.
If i don't like smokers, i screen them out first...including the wonderful, pretty woman whose only fault is to smoke.


quote:It was at that time that I really wanted to say, ?How can either of us know where we will be here in 15 or 20 years from now? You are asking me to come 20 years later with a proof, and you make it your best argument. It has a faulty logic in it?s very core. If I am not here in 20 years with the proof because I am dead (god forbid), or lost a link to this discussion, then would it prove you were right and I was wrong on the age difference subject??

But, I decided that would make you cry out ?Here we have the proof! She is bending backwards over to avoid the issue!?. Would make me look bad either way.

So, I decided that agreeing to take your challenge would be the fastest way to put those issues under your nose without bringing them up myself? and it worked, I think.

the issue is: you have to prove nothing [u]TO ME</u>.
Even if i die tomorrow, your relationship won't stand higher chances.
I simply say i read about countless such cases, then gone sour.
Come on!
Your man is not the first man loving attractive females half his age...or is he?
And you're not the first to work a deal out of such appetite.
I say you'll not be alone when the dust settles and you divorce.
And yes, you'll realize you probably love cooking & going to church but it's not enough.

elenag
01-05-2006, 02:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:Khm... I sort of thought pretty much anyone who feels offended can denounce disrespect and cry foul?

as others say, you can either freeze up & cry foul, or poke fun at others, depending on which serves your interests better. Those into unconventional lifesyles always do that. Good for them.


Ok, let me get this straight.. Those [persons] into ?unconventional lifestyles? (and I assume being a black minority means having an ?unconventional lifestyle??) will ?either freeze up & cry foul, or poke fun at others? when feel insulted. But those into ?conventional? lifestyles do something completely different? Again, please enlighten.





quote:Originally posted by ham
you don't get a lot of things. Do you mean the time as a kid i stole an apple? Or the day i didn't take a shower? Or yelled back in anger at someone? Or crapped my pants? or sped way beyond legal limit? Or perhaps i didn't pay 100% of due taxes?

Yes. Many of those things. I am not talking about you pooping your pants when being an infant, of course, but for example not paying due taxes or speeding up beyond limit (and putting innocent drivers at danger).

See, we all do things that perhaps shouldn?t have been done. Or could have done differently. Why don?t we start criticizing ourselves first, and THEN go after other people?s misdoings or weaknesses? Or is it too laborious and not nearly as much fun? So, you stole an apple when your were 5, for example? Should everyone brand you as a thief from that point forward? Should we remind you about it every time you open your mouth? ?Hey, why do you listen to him? He steals apples!?, or ?Hey, don?t come near my table at a restaurant. You stole an apple 35 years ago, you will probably try to steal my sandwich off the plate!?

So you stole an apple when 5 (well, at least that?s our example), yet you are probably not a thief now. How do you explain this?

Now if G. Bush would steal an apple as a kid and it would come out, imagine how much dirt you would be able to throw at him for the apple incident? A lot (though I am only guessing). Or if he didn?t pay due taxes? You would have a field day with that one!

Somehow bad things that we do seem to be a kind of ok with us, but what others do ? that?s a completely different story! They are chicken, thieves and morons, right?

Now, apples and pooping pants aside. I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?




quote:Originally posted by ham
nice pseudo-scientific explanation of why old men like arm candy half their age.

Not just old men. Most men.

Most men (well, as far as I can tell, of course) seem to have attraction to ladies between, say, 16 and 30. Coincidently, I was lead to believe that that age is the best for childbirth for women. Not all man plan to have children with those young woman, but I think the most obvious reason(s) for such unconscious attractions can be identified. Of course, not all men date women of those ages. Some because of the society and its restrictions, some because they are already married, etc, some just feel that it is ?wrong?. Many reasons why not to date, everyone has his own probably. But does it mean that they do not feel the attraction? What do you think? Do you feel more physical attraction to a 20 years old than to women of older age? Or do you not find younger women any more attractive than older women? How does it work in the male brain?




quote:Originally posted by ham
in your other post you said you were 19-20, not 25.
They like hot a$$; they're no mormons.

I was. I was 19 and then turned 20 during the first year my husband and I met.



quote:Originally posted by ham
"Just the age", no.
"300 pounds depressed etc ", no.
But we all know oldies screen women closer to their age out of the picture immediately, same as they bin the profile of the 18yo fat, ugly girl.
They never get to evaluate the 35yo good-looking woman because in the search engine the age gap is set 18-22.

Well, now we got to the Internet dating that complicates things. Before we go there, try to take my example and apply it to a real life (not online dating) situation. IMAGINE than a, say, 40 years old man is introduced (in person) to 2 ladies: the energetic, fun and in great physical shape 35 years old and the 270 lb 25 years old with negative personality. Whom, do you think, most men would choose? If it was just the age that matters, then they would choose the 25 years old. Again, I would be curious to know how it looks like through the male?s eyes.





quote:Originally posted by ham
the issue is: you have to prove nothing [u]TO ME</u>.
Even if i die tomorrow, your relationship won't stand higher chances.

That remains to be seen. However, I have been pretty happy for 5+ years. Most girls I know couldn?t make it through 2-3 years of marriage (with their same age husbands I might add). So, as far as I am concerned, I already beat their odds and then some. So I think my husband and I already done good. Regardless of the final outcome, we are happy now. I will take my ?happy now and here? over ?I am afraid to be unhappy sometime in the future?. It may sound silly to you, but that?s my way.

And also I am not going to measure myself against some abstract ideas, or strive for movie-perfect relationship. Better than average is good enough for me. So I am going to measure myself against people I personally know. And so far, as I said, I think I have done ok.




quote:Originally posted by ham
I simply say i read about countless such cases, then gone sour.

Hm.. countless you say? How much exactly is ?countless? to you? Over 100 billions? Or over 1 billion? Or over 1 million? Or over 500,000? Or over 10,000? Or over 1,000? Or over 500? Or over 50? Or over 25? Or ten?

I think you can say ?countless? when it is getting hard to count. When it is below, let?s say, 100,000, I think it is not countless yet. Or do you say ?countless? when you do not know how many but think that it is a lot?.

So, the point is, can you give me the closest estimation of how many ?such marriages? you have seen, first in person and then what you have seen through other means (met online, heard of, read of, etc)? I am curious to find out how many ?such marriages? you were able to analyze and how closely. Just answer the question directly, I don?t ask for anything else but a plain estimation of numbers right now.




quote:Originally posted by ham
Come on!
Your man is not the first man loving attractive females half his age...or is he?

Probably not. As far as I can tell, most men are. Do you disagree?




quote:Originally posted by ham
And you're not the first to work a deal out of such appetite.

What deal? That I take care of his needs (cook, clean, do whatever errands or things need to be done, support him, be his lover, friend and partner, perhaps have a child, etc), and he takes care of mine (provides, protects, and be my lover, friend and my partner)? That?s the ?deal?? How is it different from what most people want from a marriage?

And I see you didn?t comment on my statement about what I think makes older guys more attractive as marriage partners. Why? That was a big question from the very beginning for you. You said, that you can?t see a legitimate reason for a lady to marry an older guy. So, your logical conclusion was that only gold-diggers and mentally disturbed will go for such a marriage. And I objected, and that?s how this whole discussion happened. So, what do you think of my reasons?

Also you didn?t comment on my speech on the comparison between the smokers? arguments and my arguments that you like so much. So, how can you compare those two? I asked you. If one example has plenty of well-conducted research to prove their thing, and another has only what each one of us think of it. CAN you compare the two? Please, give me your opinion.

ham
01-05-2006, 08:11 AM
quote:Ok, let me get this straight.. Those [persons] into ?unconventional lifestyles? (and I assume being a black minority means having an ?unconventional lifestyle??) will ?either freeze up & cry foul, or poke fun at others? when feel insulted. But those into ?conventional? lifestyles do something completely different? Again, please enlighten.



You are not Jacques Derrida. Stop playing one. Well, so you say that minority people AND people into unconventional lifestyles do not cry foul every time they can AND pose as "mortally offended" as a way to divert attention from the main topic? If you say so...


quote:Now, apples and pooping pants aside. I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?


i am not a coward. i never dodged anything. i never sent anyone dying. i don't claim i want to invade another country because god told me so. i never flew up there while my country was under attack. So if that is the same as tax avoidance for you, then ok. You're mixing apples & dog's sh!t, but whatever.


quote:Most men (well, as far as I can tell, of course) seem to have attraction to ladies between, say, 16 and 30. Coincidently, I was lead to believe that that age is the best for childbirth for women. Not all man plan to have children with those young woman, but I think the most obvious reason(s) for such unconscious attractions can be identified. Of course, not all men date women of those ages. Some because of the society and its restrictions, some because they are already married, etc, some just feel that it is ?wrong?. Many reasons why not to date, everyone has his own probably. But does it mean that they do not feel the attraction? What do you think? Do you feel more physical attraction to a 20 years old than to women of older age? Or do you not find younger women any more attractive than older women? How does it work in the male brain?


this would be perfect for an agency website.
well, everybody loves fresh meat. Period.
Then men got brains, not only balls.
Balls tell me to a$$ rape her in the back alley.
Brains tell me that i have nothing in common with her; that she's probably out of my league and that her only (or prominent) interest in dealing with me would be because i could provide her with a better lifestyle, more money or whatever.
Such is not the most promising starting point for any relationship.
That will require more & more money thrown at the problem, until either she gets bored or my wallet empties.


quote:Well, now we got to the Internet dating that complicates things. Before we go there, try to take my example and apply it to a real life (not online dating) situation. IMAGINE than a, say, 40 years old man is introduced (in person) to 2 ladies: the energetic, fun and in great physical shape 35 years old and the 270 lb 25 years old with negative personality. Whom, do you think, most men would choose? If it was just the age that matters, then they would choose the 25 years old. Again, I would be curious to know how it looks like through the male?s eyes.


i already told you that.
Given two women with very similar features (EG say blond/blue eyes, square jaw, this tall, this breast size ), yet one is 40 in great physical shape AND the other is 19 but weighs 180kg, has bad acne etc etc, THEN of course men will choose the 40yo. Men are not idiots.
As i said, both the ugly young and the older ones are screened OUT of the picture at the beginning. There may be 2 equally similar & in equally good shape women, but one is 18 and another is 26...who do you think the man (especially old) would choose? He has 35 browser windows open now, with 35 profiles. He just closes the ones he thinks are second or third best, including the 26yo. But you have been there & know better i suppose.


quote:Hm.. countless you say? How much exactly is ?countless? to you? Over 100 billions? Or over 1 billion? Or over 1 million? Or over 500,000? Or over 10,000? Or over 1,000? Or over 500? Or over 50? Or over 25? Or ten?


poor job.
You have no thousands over thousands of such "unconventional" marriages.
Therefore the failure rate (increasing from the average 40-50% ) will start from there.
A wild guess (knowing such unconventional relationships stand much higher risk than average ones; and you said they do stand higher risk ), it is not far fetched to assume if the average divorce rate is 50%, then such marriages can be at a 60-70%+ divorce rate. Assuming the age gap only affects the whole in a 10-20% ratio.
If you're fine with that, good for you.


quote:And I see you didn?t comment on my statement about what I think makes older guys more attractive as marriage partners. Why? That was a big question from the very beginning for you. You said, that you can?t see a legitimate reason for a lady to marry an older guy. So, your logical conclusion was that only gold-diggers and mentally disturbed will go for such a marriage. And I objected, and that?s how this whole discussion happened. So, what do you think of my reasons?


what's the only or predominant difference between a man in his 30 and one in his 50? On average, money. That is all. About your motives, you said it all yourself.

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My hubby would send me money for English lessons, and some extra to make sure I can do some fun stuff (like eating pizzas, buying some clothes, going to concerts, or going to Moscow to visit my friends there from time to time), plus for the bus pass :), and when I lost my access to free Internet he sent me a laptop (that he bought here and shipped to me by FedEx), he really took care of me and that is the reason why I dumped 100 other guys writing to me and decided to go serious with him. The other guys behaved like weak, indecisive, unreliable people. I said to myself, "I need a man, not a chicken. He is the only one who seems to care enough about me to take care of my needs".
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I have been happiliy married to an American for the last 5 years. He paid for my visa, trip to Moscow (to get it), for my tickets (and even extra for some nice things to do while my last few days in Russia), and had given me probably over $1000 in monthly support for months while the paperwork was processed.
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quote:So, how can you compare those two? I asked you. If one example has plenty of well-conducted research to prove their thing, and another has only what each one of us think of it. CAN you compare the two? Please, give me your opinion.


this shows you're only arguing back without thinking first.
There are tobacco and smoking advocacy groups, which challenge on a daily basis the results of tests or studies indicting tobacco or alcohol.
Same as there is a "pedophile league" in Holland arguing in courts having sex for children under 10 is very good.
They mostly do what you do: play the devil's advocated; cross their t's and point out any flaw in any study exposing tobacco or alcohol. They even have some physicians supporting their cause, mainly saying not every drinker/smoker dies out of his habit and many non-smoker/drinkers die of illness typically associated with the habit they were never into.
No official body bothered with statistics on marriages with 30 years age gap because it is just so odd there aren't enough of them to make a significant samples, same as it would marriages between diabetics and led zeppelin fans.
Then you have studies, but they vary depending on whom you ask.
Agencies for example are extremely positive about it.

scam magnet
01-06-2006, 03:08 AM
Ham, thank you for the last 4 quoates from elenag. You hit the nail right on the head when you said "this shows you're only arguing back without thinking first."Some people have the mind of a plant.
The only people i know that ever married that were not in love, was normaly over a pregnancy Or trying to obtain citizenship, The ones that married for citizenship, lived together for a specified amount of time or not at all, Pretending to.
Now in Elenag's Situation, and after carefully reading what she wrote, taking into consideration that she was writing 100 other guys. And seeing that see is a very attractive woman (wedding photo).
OH, and by the way, I wanted to bring this up earlier, but did not want to look like i was on a witch hunt, but know that you posted Her quoates.
What comes to my mind is that she sold herself to the highest bidder, its most likely that the other 100 could'nt afford her.
HER QUOATES:
He is the only one who seems to care enough about me to take care of
my needs".
He paid for my visa, trip to Moscow (to get it), for my tickets (and even extra for some nice things to do while my last few days in Russia), and had given me probably over $1000 in monthly support for months while the paperwork was processed.
OK, Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the way i see it , all her husband did was buy himself a nice piece of ass,you know,live in escort, prostitute.
what do you think would happen if he suddenly went broke overnight, would she stay ?? Its allways about the MONEY!!
I can't help but wonder, How do you write to 100 guys at the same time, FORM LETTERS ?

Sonar, Thanks, I did notice

'WHATS THE ATTRACTION" ?

ham
01-06-2006, 08:13 AM
well, at least her quotes are honest.
what is scary ( at least what men, especially old, should be aware of ) is that she is not alone in that.


quote:one more point: on our Women?s forum we discussed if any of our women were really ?in love? when they agreed to marry their husbands, 95% admitted that they were not in love. ne more point: on our Women?s forum we discussed if any of our women were really ?in love? when they agreed to marry their husbands, 95% admitted that they were not in love. Some said that they developed love and respect throughout their life with their spouses. Those, few who replied that they did fall in love before the marriage, were met with distrust and disbelief. Many said that it is impossible to fall in love with a stranger whom you met on-line. Surely, many (if not all) of these women assured their future husbands that they were ?in love? before the marriage. This is something to think about!
http://www.russianwomenabroad.com/goeswrong.html


at this point it is not a matter of single individuals.

elenag
01-07-2006, 01:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
You are not Jacques Derrida. Stop playing one. Well, so you say that minority people AND people into unconventional lifestyles do not cry foul every time they can AND pose as "mortally offended" as a way to divert attention from the main topic? If you say so...

I am sorry I didn?t realize I was playing Jacques Derrida. Who is he/she, by the way?

And you still didn?t answer my question. My question was: If only the people who are into unconventional lifestyle (such as blacks and minorities in your previous examples) freeze up or cry foul when feel offended, then what people who are into the conventional lifestyle do?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Now, apples and pooping pants aside. I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?


i am not a coward. i never dodged anything. i never sent anyone dying. i don't claim i want to invade another country because god told me so. i never flew up there while my country was under attack. So if that is the same as tax avoidance for you, then ok. You're mixing apples & dog's sh!t, but whatever.

One more time: I don?t care about Bush, so can we please stop bringing him up?

Also, please notice that you shifted the focus of the discussion again. I asked you, ?. I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others? ?, and you gave me, ?At least I am not sending people to die!? speech. So, what about my question?



quote:Originally posted by ham
well, everybody loves fresh meat. Period.

I am guessing it was a confirmation that I was right in my assumption that most men prefer younger females. For whatever reason.

If that is the case, firstly, don?t you think we need to stop looking down at such behavior? If it is a norm more than a deviation from a norm, then maybe we can just get our heads around that those are laws of physical attraction and trying to suppress them will be rather difficult.

Secondly, why do you call it ?meat?? You have repeated ?meat? several times. At first I thought it was you just being grumpy, but now I see it is more than that. Do you consider all women to be ?meat?, or just the young ones?




quote:Originally posted by ham
Then men got brains, not only balls.
Balls tell me to a$$ rape her in the back alley.
Brains tell me that i have nothing in common with her; that she's probably out of my league and that her only (or prominent) interest in dealing with me would be because i could provide her with a better lifestyle, more money or whatever.
Such is not the most promising starting point for any relationship.
That will require more & more money thrown at the problem, until either she gets bored or my wallet empties.

Ok, very well. Thank you.
Now. Your replay indicated that:
1. You would be very pleased to have relationship (sexually abusive relationship?) with young attractive lady
2. You understand that despite her sexual attractiveness, such lady nevertheless would not be the best choice for the relationship (for a number of reasons).

Did I get it right?

So, what makes you think that women are not capable of this very same calculation?

Let?s see. I totally agree that many younger guys are certainly more physically appealing than some older guys (though of course depends on the guy and how they take care of themselves). However, despite their physical attractiveness, I understand that the younger guys may not be the best choice for my marriage (for a number of reasons).

The only real difference is, that when you use this calculation, you call it ?common sense? and praise yourself for doing so, while when I use this calculation you look down at me and criticize my choice.




quote:Originally posted by ham
i already told you that.
Given two women with very similar features (EG say blond/blue eyes, square jaw, this tall, this breast size ), yet one is 40 in great physical shape AND the other is 19 but weighs 180kg, has bad acne etc etc, THEN of course men will choose the 40yo. Men are not idiots.

My point is, that even tho? wait, did you say ?breast size?? I had a good laugh right there? ok, anyway, I was saying that looks and attitudes are just or if not even more important, than age. (Except for compulsive people). Would you agree?



quote:Originally posted by ham
As i said, both the ugly young and the older ones are screened OUT of the picture at the beginning. There may be 2 equally similar & in equally good shape women, but one is 18 and another is 26...who do you think the man (especially old) would choose?

If both women are equally interested in him and both have equally nice, positive personalities? Probably they younger one. From the evolutionary point of view, it would be a good choice. So, what?s the crime?




quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Hm.. countless you say? How much exactly is ?countless? to you? Over 100 billions? Or over 1 billion? Or over 1 million? Or over 500,000? Or over 10,000? Or over 1,000? Or over 500? Or over 50? Or over 25? Or ten?

poor job.

On what?



quote:Originally posted by ham
You have no thousands over thousands of such "unconventional" marriages.

How do you know? Or, no, let?s do it this way: how many such marriages are out there?



quote:Originally posted by ham
Therefore the failure rate (increasing from the average 40-50% ) will start from there.
A wild guess (knowing such unconventional relationships stand much higher risk than average ones; and you said they do stand higher risk ), it is not far fetched to assume if the average divorce rate is 50%, then such marriages can be at a 60-70%+ divorce rate. Assuming the age gap only affects the whole in a 10-20% ratio.

Oh, ok, so from 50% we went to a whooping 60-70%!!! Given that we all have a pretty poor chance to begin with, and given all the problems with the young guys, I will take extra 10-20% risk and marry the older one.



quote:Originally posted by ham
what's the only or predominant difference between a man in his 30 and one in his 50? On average, money. That is all. About your motives, you said it all yourself.

Are you saying that all 50 years old have more money than 30 years old? Because otherwise your comment makes no sense to me.



quote:Originally posted by ham
this shows you're only arguing back without thinking first.

And how did I showed that? I must have missed something?



quote:Originally posted by ham
There are tobacco and smoking advocacy groups, which challenge on a daily basis the results of tests or studies indicting tobacco or alcohol.
Same as there is a "pedophile league" in Holland arguing in courts having sex for children under 10 is very good.

So, now you comparing my arguments to the ones ?pedophile league" uses?!? I am starting to wonder what the next comparison will be?.



quote:Originally posted by ham
They mostly do what you do: play the devil's advocated; cross their t's and point out any flaw in any study exposing tobacco or alcohol.

Well, at least they have some study material to argue about. What do we have on this subject? Times and times again I asked you to show me a study that has been conducted to show effects of age difference in marriage. As far as I can tell, there is none. Therefore, I repeat, we are just arguing our opinions. Very different from the tobacco issue in my opinion. They have statistics showing people smoking, at what ages, cases of cancer and other illnesses, etc etc.



quote:
No official body bothered with statistics on marriages with 30 years age gap because it is just so odd there aren't enough of them to make a significant samples
Ok, it? probably true. But what about 20 years age gap? 15? 10? There are more of them.

elenag
01-07-2006, 01:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
You are not Jacques Derrida. Stop playing one. Well, so you say that minority people AND people into unconventional lifestyles do not cry foul every time they can AND pose as "mortally offended" as a way to divert attention from the main topic? If you say so...

I am sorry I didn?t realize I was playing Jacques Derrida. Who is he/she, by the way?

And you still didn?t answer my question. My question was: If only the people who are into unconventional lifestyle (such as blacks and minorities in your previous examples) freeze up or cry foul when feel offended, then what people who are into the conventional lifestyle do?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Now, apples and pooping pants aside. I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?


i am not a coward. i never dodged anything. i never sent anyone dying. i don't claim i want to invade another country because god told me so. i never flew up there while my country was under attack. So if that is the same as tax avoidance for you, then ok. You're mixing apples & dog's sh!t, but whatever.

One more time: I don?t care about Bush, so can we please stop bringing him up?

Also, please notice that you shifted the focus of the discussion again. I asked you, ?. I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others? ?, and you gave me, ?At least I am not sending people to die!? speech. So, what about my question?



quote:Originally posted by ham
well, everybody loves fresh meat. Period.

I am guessing it was a confirmation that I was right in my assumption that most men prefer younger females. For whatever reason.

If that is the case, firstly, don?t you think we need to stop looking down at such behavior? If it is a norm more than a deviation from a norm, then maybe we can just get our heads around that those are laws of physical attraction and trying to suppress them will be rather difficult.

Secondly, why do you call it ?meat?? You have repeated ?meat? several times. At first I thought it was you just being grumpy, but now I see it is more than that. Do you consider all women to be ?meat?, or just the young ones?




quote:Originally posted by ham
Then men got brains, not only balls.
Balls tell me to a$$ rape her in the back alley.
Brains tell me that i have nothing in common with her; that she's probably out of my league and that her only (or prominent) interest in dealing with me would be because i could provide her with a better lifestyle, more money or whatever.
Such is not the most promising starting point for any relationship.
That will require more & more money thrown at the problem, until either she gets bored or my wallet empties.

Ok, very well. Thank you.
Now. Your replay indicated that:
1. You would be very pleased to have relationship (sexually abusive relationship?) with young attractive lady
2. You understand that despite her sexual attractiveness, such lady nevertheless would not be the best choice for the relationship (for a number of reasons).

Did I get it right?

So, what makes you think that women are not capable of this very same calculation?

Let?s see. I totally agree that many younger guys are certainly more physically appealing than some older guys (though of course depends on the guy and how they take care of themselves). However, despite their physical attractiveness, I understand that the younger guys may not be the best choice for my marriage (for a number of reasons).

The only real difference is, that when you use this calculation, you call it ?common sense? and praise yourself for doing so, while when I use this calculation you look down at me and criticize my choice.




quote:Originally posted by ham
i already told you that.
Given two women with very similar features (EG say blond/blue eyes, square jaw, this tall, this breast size ), yet one is 40 in great physical shape AND the other is 19 but weighs 180kg, has bad acne etc etc, THEN of course men will choose the 40yo. Men are not idiots.

My point is, that even tho? wait, did you say ?breast size?? I had a good laugh right there? ok, anyway, I was saying that looks and attitudes are just or if not even more important, than age. (Except for compulsive people). Would you agree?



quote:Originally posted by ham
As i said, both the ugly young and the older ones are screened OUT of the picture at the beginning. There may be 2 equally similar & in equally good shape women, but one is 18 and another is 26...who do you think the man (especially old) would choose?

If both women are equally interested in him and both have equally nice, positive personalities? Probably they younger one. From the evolutionary point of view, it would be a good choice. So, what?s the crime?




quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Hm.. countless you say? How much exactly is ?countless? to you? Over 100 billions? Or over 1 billion? Or over 1 million? Or over 500,000? Or over 10,000? Or over 1,000? Or over 500? Or over 50? Or over 25? Or ten?

poor job.

On what?



quote:Originally posted by ham
You have no thousands over thousands of such "unconventional" marriages.

How do you know? Or, no, let?s do it this way: how many such marriages are out there?



quote:Originally posted by ham
Therefore the failure rate (increasing from the average 40-50% ) will start from there.
A wild guess (knowing such unconventional relationships stand much higher risk than average ones; and you said they do stand higher risk ), it is not far fetched to assume if the average divorce rate is 50%, then such marriages can be at a 60-70%+ divorce rate. Assuming the age gap only affects the whole in a 10-20% ratio.

Oh, ok, so from 50% we went to a whooping 60-70%!!! Given that we all have a pretty poor chance to begin with, and given all the problems with the young guys, I will take extra 10-20% risk and marry the older one.



quote:Originally posted by ham
what's the only or predominant difference between a man in his 30 and one in his 50? On average, money. That is all. About your motives, you said it all yourself.

Are you saying that all 50 years old have more money than 30 years old? Because otherwise your comment makes no sense to me.



quote:Originally posted by ham
this shows you're only arguing back without thinking first.

And how did I showed that? I must have missed something?



quote:Originally posted by ham
There are tobacco and smoking advocacy groups, which challenge on a daily basis the results of tests or studies indicting tobacco or alcohol.
Same as there is a "pedophile league" in Holland arguing in courts having sex for children under 10 is very good.

So, now you comparing my arguments to the ones ?pedophile league" uses?!? I am starting to wonder what the next comparison will be?.



quote:Originally posted by ham
They mostly do what you do: play the devil's advocated; cross their t's and point out any flaw in any study exposing tobacco or alcohol.

Well, at least they have some study material to argue about. What do we have on this subject? Times and times again I asked you to show me a study that has been conducted to show effects of age difference in marriage. As far as I can tell, there is none. Therefore, I repeat, we are just arguing our opinions. Very different from the tobacco issue in my opinion. They have statistics showing people smoking, at what ages, cases of cancer and other illnesses, etc etc.



quote:
No official body bothered with statistics on marriages with 30 years age gap because it is just so odd there aren't enough of them to make a significant samples
Ok, it? probably true. But what about 20 years age gap? 15? 10? There are more of them.

elenag
01-07-2006, 02:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
You hit the nail right on the head when you said "this shows you're only arguing back without thinking first."Some people have the mind of a plant.
A mind of a plant? Mr. Ham, do you agree with ScamMagnet? About the mind of a plant? I am curious.




quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
The only people i know that ever married that were not in love, was normaly over a pregnancy Or trying to obtain citizenship, The ones that married for citizenship, lived together for a specified amount of time or not at all, Pretending to.

That was your experience. I had a different experience in my own marriage, as well as with other Russian-American couples.



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
And seeing that see is a very attractive woman (wedding photo).
Well, thank you, I appreciate your compliment. By the way, where did you see my wedding pictures?


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
What comes to my mind is that she sold herself to the highest bidder, its most likely that the other 100 could'nt afford her?

OK, Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the way i see it , all her husband did was buy himself a nice piece of ass,you know,live in escort, prostitute.
what do you think would happen if he suddenly went broke overnight, would she stay ?? Its allways about the MONEY!!

That was quite a speech, except that nothing you said in there is supported by the actual facts.

Here are some actual facts to address your concerns.
1. My husband was the only one who ever offered his support to me. So, ?highest bidder? situation does not apply.
2. From the quote you gave it sounds like my husband would give me over 1K each month. I already corrected other speakers on this issue several times. My husband would send me $100-$200/mo for English lessons, Internet and personal expenses over a period of 8+ months. I think it is a reasonable amount. He also paid for all my visa and travel associated expenses (otherwise I would still be in Russia). Does this really sound like prostitution to you?
3. My husband could not offer me more in monthly support because he didn?t have more himself. After a bad divorce and loosing his business, he was considering filing bankruptcy, but never actually did it. However, whatever he sent was plenty to cover my English lessons and other things, so I had no problem with that.
4. My husband and I have already been broke at least twice. In 2003 he was unemployed for 6 months, we stayed at his sister?s house and it was the first time I went to work to support our family. I got a job as a server at a restaurant and would work 2 shifts each day (up to 60-70 hs her week) + run RD to keep our bills paid. Then in 2004 he was unemployed for 7 months, and since we had rent to pay that time, I had to work 2 part time restaurant jobs and 1 part time night restocking job at a department store, and also run RD plus the flower delivery business plus do translations. Very hard time, but we made it.

There seems to be a misconception around here that my husband is wealthy. Not true.

Here is some background. When I arrived to the USA in 2000, he had a 6-years old Ford Taurus SW, a computer desk, a computer, a bed, and a whole bunch of boxes with books, personal items and stuff. Those were all his assets. We were renting an apartment. At first we didn?t even have a TV, no dining room table, no living room furniture. When I moved here, he had about $4k in his bank account, about 28K in back taxes and about 20K+ in consumer debt (credit cards + car loan). No savings, no retirement account, no investments. We were able to do good in 2000 through 2003, paying off back taxes and paying for his daughter college, but then 2003 and 2004 were very bad for us.

Now, after being totally broke in 2004 (we came within $300 from not being able to pay rent and bills), we are back on track, and he started a 401k and a savings account. In 2004 I bought my husband a used car (because the one he has was getting old and unreliable) out of my own money that I saved working my restaurant job. It was his birthday present, I was very proud I was able to do it on my own. I inherited the old car (and I am pretty happy with it, even though we just had engine rebuilt on it). Also during that time we were also putting his daughter through college. I, additionally, was supporting my family and putting my younger brother through college out of my own money (regular jobs+ my businesses).

Currently his daughter and my brother are both done with their colleges, I am working on paying off all our credit cards completely and saving up money on down payment on a house. I think within this year we should be able to reach this goal if his employment stays stable. I also plan to start my own education now.

Because my husband has no talent for any kind of accounting or record keeping, I am the one responsible for all budgets (weekly, monthly, yearly) to make sure we do not overspend. I am also preparing information for tax returns for our family and both our businesses. Now instead of paying taxes, we usually get a refund from IRS (because I do not loose business receipts like he usually does). Additionally I always make sure every bill is paid on time (my husband fails that this task miserably). His credit rating used to be very low, now we are finally bringing it up little by little. On the overall, though we do not live in poverty, we certainly live very frugally.

I am sorry it took so long to write it, but I hope it will give you an understanding of what kind of financial situation my marriage has. Now, Scam Magnet, do you still think that I would leave my husband if he went broke?



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
I can't help but wonder, How do you write to 100 guys at the same time, FORM LETTERS ?

No. Actually, they were writing to me. I was barely trying to respond to everyone. I was translating most letters with a computer translation program and trying to write back using dictionary. . Very long and painful process. 1 page letter would take 3 hours to write. Sometimes, out of frustration, I would ?cheat? and use the program to translate my letter into English, as well.

The amount of people who wrote to me (and with whom I started to correspond) is actually unknown. I just tried to count the printed out letters once, there was a big pile of them? it was 100+, something like 107. But some of those letters were possible from the same people, some of them I received but never answered? once I concentrated on writing my husband only, I felt very relieved that I do not need to keep up with all that correspondence monster anymore.

elenag
01-07-2006, 02:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
You hit the nail right on the head when you said "this shows you're only arguing back without thinking first."Some people have the mind of a plant.
A mind of a plant? Mr. Ham, do you agree with ScamMagnet? About the mind of a plant? I am curious.




quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
The only people i know that ever married that were not in love, was normaly over a pregnancy Or trying to obtain citizenship, The ones that married for citizenship, lived together for a specified amount of time or not at all, Pretending to.

That was your experience. I had a different experience in my own marriage, as well as with other Russian-American couples.



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
And seeing that see is a very attractive woman (wedding photo).
Well, thank you, I appreciate your compliment. By the way, where did you see my wedding pictures?


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
What comes to my mind is that she sold herself to the highest bidder, its most likely that the other 100 could'nt afford her?

OK, Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the way i see it , all her husband did was buy himself a nice piece of ass,you know,live in escort, prostitute.
what do you think would happen if he suddenly went broke overnight, would she stay ?? Its allways about the MONEY!!

That was quite a speech, except that nothing you said in there is supported by the actual facts.

Here are some actual facts to address your concerns.
1. My husband was the only one who ever offered his support to me. So, ?highest bidder? situation does not apply.
2. From the quote you gave it sounds like my husband would give me over 1K each month. I already corrected other speakers on this issue several times. My husband would send me $100-$200/mo for English lessons, Internet and personal expenses over a period of 8+ months. I think it is a reasonable amount. He also paid for all my visa and travel associated expenses (otherwise I would still be in Russia). Does this really sound like prostitution to you?
3. My husband could not offer me more in monthly support because he didn?t have more himself. After a bad divorce and loosing his business, he was considering filing bankruptcy, but never actually did it. However, whatever he sent was plenty to cover my English lessons and other things, so I had no problem with that.
4. My husband and I have already been broke at least twice. In 2003 he was unemployed for 6 months, we stayed at his sister?s house and it was the first time I went to work to support our family. I got a job as a server at a restaurant and would work 2 shifts each day (up to 60-70 hs her week) + run RD to keep our bills paid. Then in 2004 he was unemployed for 7 months, and since we had rent to pay that time, I had to work 2 part time restaurant jobs and 1 part time night restocking job at a department store, and also run RD plus the flower delivery business plus do translations. Very hard time, but we made it.

There seems to be a misconception around here that my husband is wealthy. Not true.

Here is some background. When I arrived to the USA in 2000, he had a 6-years old Ford Taurus SW, a computer desk, a computer, a bed, and a whole bunch of boxes with books, personal items and stuff. Those were all his assets. We were renting an apartment. At first we didn?t even have a TV, no dining room table, no living room furniture. When I moved here, he had about $4k in his bank account, about 28K in back taxes and about 20K+ in consumer debt (credit cards + car loan). No savings, no retirement account, no investments. We were able to do good in 2000 through 2003, paying off back taxes and paying for his daughter college, but then 2003 and 2004 were very bad for us.

Now, after being totally broke in 2004 (we came within $300 from not being able to pay rent and bills), we are back on track, and he started a 401k and a savings account. In 2004 I bought my husband a used car (because the one he has was getting old and unreliable) out of my own money that I saved working my restaurant job. It was his birthday present, I was very proud I was able to do it on my own. I inherited the old car (and I am pretty happy with it, even though we just had engine rebuilt on it). Also during that time we were also putting his daughter through college. I, additionally, was supporting my family and putting my younger brother through college out of my own money (regular jobs+ my businesses).

Currently his daughter and my brother are both done with their colleges, I am working on paying off all our credit cards completely and saving up money on down payment on a house. I think within this year we should be able to reach this goal if his employment stays stable. I also plan to start my own education now.

Because my husband has no talent for any kind of accounting or record keeping, I am the one responsible for all budgets (weekly, monthly, yearly) to make sure we do not overspend. I am also preparing information for tax returns for our family and both our businesses. Now instead of paying taxes, we usually get a refund from IRS (because I do not loose business receipts like he usually does). Additionally I always make sure every bill is paid on time (my husband fails that this task miserably). His credit rating used to be very low, now we are finally bringing it up little by little. On the overall, though we do not live in poverty, we certainly live very frugally.

I am sorry it took so long to write it, but I hope it will give you an understanding of what kind of financial situation my marriage has. Now, Scam Magnet, do you still think that I would leave my husband if he went broke?



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
I can't help but wonder, How do you write to 100 guys at the same time, FORM LETTERS ?

No. Actually, they were writing to me. I was barely trying to respond to everyone. I was translating most letters with a computer translation program and trying to write back using dictionary. . Very long and painful process. 1 page letter would take 3 hours to write. Sometimes, out of frustration, I would ?cheat? and use the program to translate my letter into English, as well.

The amount of people who wrote to me (and with whom I started to correspond) is actually unknown. I just tried to count the printed out letters once, there was a big pile of them? it was 100+, something like 107. But some of those letters were possible from the same people, some of them I received but never answered? once I concentrated on writing my husband only, I felt very relieved that I do not need to keep up with all that correspondence monster anymore.

scam magnet
01-07-2006, 07:00 AM
JEEEZZ... I feel like I'm in the same type of back+forth like you and ham are doing.
1. You are a woman and dont think like a man, the way that you describe and write is why you are questioned, You don't think before you write.Thats why you are questioned, and for crying out loud,your a russian woman and most of the men on these forums are interested in russian woman etc. so would'nt you say, that some may look at you as some type of example of what a russian woman might be like? DUH !
2. would you say you are setting a good example?
3. Now that you told what your situation was when you met your husband
it portrays a different story all together and the way its looked at,much better.Maybe this be a lesson to you.
4. Please forgive me for my rude comments in the past,thats not the kind of person that I am, they were uncalled for.
5. Yeah your wedding photo was pretty HOT [:p], I came across in when i was in the russian wedding photo black list.
Mike


"WHATS THE ATTRACTION"

scam magnet
01-07-2006, 07:00 AM
JEEEZZ... I feel like I'm in the same type of back+forth like you and ham are doing.
1. You are a woman and dont think like a man, the way that you describe and write is why you are questioned, You don't think before you write.Thats why you are questioned, and for crying out loud,your a russian woman and most of the men on these forums are interested in russian woman etc. so would'nt you say, that some may look at you as some type of example of what a russian woman might be like? DUH !
2. would you say you are setting a good example?
3. Now that you told what your situation was when you met your husband
it portrays a different story all together and the way its looked at,much better.Maybe this be a lesson to you.
4. Please forgive me for my rude comments in the past,thats not the kind of person that I am, they were uncalled for.
5. Yeah your wedding photo was pretty HOT [:p], I came across in when i was in the russian wedding photo black list.
Mike


"WHATS THE ATTRACTION"

ham
01-07-2006, 08:57 AM
quote:I am sorry I didn?t realize I was playing Jacques Derrida. Who is he/she, by the way?

a french philosopher into deconstruction.
Deconstruction basically means words, concepts or things are not what they seem and the assigned meaning is questioned.


quote:If only the people who are into unconventional lifestyle (such as blacks and minorities in your previous examples) freeze up or cry foul when feel offended, then what people who are into the conventional lifestyle do?

concrete examples so you can understand. A friend was high school teacher in Montreal. In his big classes, who would make the hell break loose crying foul & indicting "racism" in case of a failed class, poor grade or reprimand? Negroes first, then other minorities. Now don't ask me why. Second: Many know the "Anne Frank's diary", the sensation WWII jewish bestseller, was written in part with a stylo a bille, ball pen, invented only in the 1950's. Authenticity let aside, during the break down of Yugoslavia some thought they could replicate the sensation and some "diary of Zlata Povic" was published along the same lines, where of course table turned and instead of evil nazies & poor jews you had evil croatians or whatever & poor bosnians. Needless to say, Zlata's diary never became a hit: why? I won't go further into this.


quote:I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others? ?, and you gave me, ?At least I am not sending people to die!? speech. So, what about my question?

your statement is idiotic.
you're mixing apples & dog's sh!t.
So in your opinion a dodger who starts a war & lets OTHERS die instead of dodging like he did is "just another small glitch in one's life" like speeding? Then think whatever you want.


quote:I am guessing it was a confirmation that I was right in my assumption that most men prefer younger females. For whatever reason.


and the older the man the crazier the frenzy.


quote:Let?s see. I totally agree that many younger guys are certainly more physically appealing than some older guys (though of course depends on the guy and how they take care of themselves). However, despite their physical attractiveness, I understand that the younger guys may not be the best choice for my marriage (for a number of reasons).

i wrote elsewhere:


quote:Of course some men may be tempted and say: "so, what?! Ok, it's sort of an arranged thing, but who cares! I'm in my 50s, two divorces, not an hopeless romantic anymore, thus i'd better go for it because i can't get arm candy locally anyway! Love is for the poet. I'm taking viagra and having great sex tonight in the face of my buddy Elvis and his mummy wife! ".
Sure...
I have nothing to say.
She closes her eyes & thinks of Mel Gibson, Brad Pitt or -more likely- good old Boris back home, her nice ex-boyfriend whose main fault was to drive some 1985 ford escort while still living with his parents, not a mercedes like you do.
Foot the bills and be happy until it lasts.
Someday she may just meet someone at school or while shopping and your bubble can burst; she can just get bored or think she has played the game long enough; she may want the spark of "feelings" back in her life: it happens all the time...then your second or third divorce perhaps, leaving you depleted at an age when you have little time left to rebuild your fortune.
Remember there are no big feelings, prude face saving or poet's stuff in between her & yellow pages under "divorce lawyers": that's why it worked to start with.
My personal opinion is that such "arranged" things with such level-headed presence of mind are ok for a "relationship"...marriage being something different (children etc), although today the 2 intertwine for most people.


quote:The only real difference is, that when you use this calculation, you call it ?common sense? and praise yourself for doing so, while when I use this calculation you look down at me and criticize my choice.

i wrote elsewhere:


quote:o there lies the truth: a pragmatic approach, a career move perhaps, getting settled; wise indeed.
no doubt you played your best cards.
Then, there are even women into the "father figure" syndrome. Psychologists have written much about that.
I said this 50 posts ago.
I don't think things happen by sheer chance...there must be a reason why a woman prefers much older men: money, psychological issues to deal with, or both.



quote:From the evolutionary point of view, it would be a good choice. So, what?s the crime?


that is rubbish.
i once pooled some genealogy archives in Canada.
i thought in the old times huge age gaps were common.
i was wrong.
Of course old men like women half their age to brag about & sport like they would a luxury car or a gold watch.


quote:How do you know? Or, no, let?s do it this way: how many such marriages are out there?



rubbish again.
Well, for a start query the database of some big church or city hall.
they usually publish the bride & groom's details.
See how many have 15+ age gap, then move from there.



quote:Therefore, I repeat, we are just arguing our opinions.

of course.
first, i don't think citing any study would change your mind: i'd just waste my time .
Second, you say you'll be happier than ever when you're 40 & he's 68...i say you'll be long divorced before that, based on cases i could read about, but as i said 50 posts earlier, feel free to prove me wrong.


quote:Ok, it? probably true. But what about 20 years age gap? 15? 10? There are more of them.


do you really believe this nonsense or are you just trying to be funny?
Of course the lower the age gap, the bigger the number; and now you can be even funnier saying: so what's wrong? After all, 5, 10 or 30 years age gap are the same. Yes, sure honey, whatever you say.

ham
01-07-2006, 08:57 AM
quote:I am sorry I didn?t realize I was playing Jacques Derrida. Who is he/she, by the way?

a french philosopher into deconstruction.
Deconstruction basically means words, concepts or things are not what they seem and the assigned meaning is questioned.


quote:If only the people who are into unconventional lifestyle (such as blacks and minorities in your previous examples) freeze up or cry foul when feel offended, then what people who are into the conventional lifestyle do?

concrete examples so you can understand. A friend was high school teacher in Montreal. In his big classes, who would make the hell break loose crying foul & indicting "racism" in case of a failed class, poor grade or reprimand? Negroes first, then other minorities. Now don't ask me why. Second: Many know the "Anne Frank's diary", the sensation WWII jewish bestseller, was written in part with a stylo a bille, ball pen, invented only in the 1950's. Authenticity let aside, during the break down of Yugoslavia some thought they could replicate the sensation and some "diary of Zlata Povic" was published along the same lines, where of course table turned and instead of evil nazies & poor jews you had evil croatians or whatever & poor bosnians. Needless to say, Zlata's diary never became a hit: why? I won't go further into this.


quote:I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others? ?, and you gave me, ?At least I am not sending people to die!? speech. So, what about my question?

your statement is idiotic.
you're mixing apples & dog's sh!t.
So in your opinion a dodger who starts a war & lets OTHERS die instead of dodging like he did is "just another small glitch in one's life" like speeding? Then think whatever you want.


quote:I am guessing it was a confirmation that I was right in my assumption that most men prefer younger females. For whatever reason.


and the older the man the crazier the frenzy.


quote:Let?s see. I totally agree that many younger guys are certainly more physically appealing than some older guys (though of course depends on the guy and how they take care of themselves). However, despite their physical attractiveness, I understand that the younger guys may not be the best choice for my marriage (for a number of reasons).

i wrote elsewhere:


quote:Of course some men may be tempted and say: "so, what?! Ok, it's sort of an arranged thing, but who cares! I'm in my 50s, two divorces, not an hopeless romantic anymore, thus i'd better go for it because i can't get arm candy locally anyway! Love is for the poet. I'm taking viagra and having great sex tonight in the face of my buddy Elvis and his mummy wife! ".
Sure...
I have nothing to say.
She closes her eyes & thinks of Mel Gibson, Brad Pitt or -more likely- good old Boris back home, her nice ex-boyfriend whose main fault was to drive some 1985 ford escort while still living with his parents, not a mercedes like you do.
Foot the bills and be happy until it lasts.
Someday she may just meet someone at school or while shopping and your bubble can burst; she can just get bored or think she has played the game long enough; she may want the spark of "feelings" back in her life: it happens all the time...then your second or third divorce perhaps, leaving you depleted at an age when you have little time left to rebuild your fortune.
Remember there are no big feelings, prude face saving or poet's stuff in between her & yellow pages under "divorce lawyers": that's why it worked to start with.
My personal opinion is that such "arranged" things with such level-headed presence of mind are ok for a "relationship"...marriage being something different (children etc), although today the 2 intertwine for most people.


quote:The only real difference is, that when you use this calculation, you call it ?common sense? and praise yourself for doing so, while when I use this calculation you look down at me and criticize my choice.

i wrote elsewhere:


quote:o there lies the truth: a pragmatic approach, a career move perhaps, getting settled; wise indeed.
no doubt you played your best cards.
Then, there are even women into the "father figure" syndrome. Psychologists have written much about that.
I said this 50 posts ago.
I don't think things happen by sheer chance...there must be a reason why a woman prefers much older men: money, psychological issues to deal with, or both.



quote:From the evolutionary point of view, it would be a good choice. So, what?s the crime?


that is rubbish.
i once pooled some genealogy archives in Canada.
i thought in the old times huge age gaps were common.
i was wrong.
Of course old men like women half their age to brag about & sport like they would a luxury car or a gold watch.


quote:How do you know? Or, no, let?s do it this way: how many such marriages are out there?



rubbish again.
Well, for a start query the database of some big church or city hall.
they usually publish the bride & groom's details.
See how many have 15+ age gap, then move from there.



quote:Therefore, I repeat, we are just arguing our opinions.

of course.
first, i don't think citing any study would change your mind: i'd just waste my time .
Second, you say you'll be happier than ever when you're 40 & he's 68...i say you'll be long divorced before that, based on cases i could read about, but as i said 50 posts earlier, feel free to prove me wrong.


quote:Ok, it? probably true. But what about 20 years age gap? 15? 10? There are more of them.


do you really believe this nonsense or are you just trying to be funny?
Of course the lower the age gap, the bigger the number; and now you can be even funnier saying: so what's wrong? After all, 5, 10 or 30 years age gap are the same. Yes, sure honey, whatever you say.

scam magnet
01-08-2006, 05:54 AM
Elenag, I was just kidding about your wedding photo, I saw it on the video clip on scammers you were on.
Mike

scam magnet
01-08-2006, 05:54 AM
Elenag, I was just kidding about your wedding photo, I saw it on the video clip on scammers you were on.
Mike

elenag
01-11-2006, 04:39 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag, I was just kidding about your wedding photo, I saw it on the video clip on scammers you were on.
Mike

I see.
By the way, what about my question to you in the previous post? Do you still believe I will leave my husband if he is broke? I am most curious.

elenag
01-11-2006, 04:39 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag, I was just kidding about your wedding photo, I saw it on the video clip on scammers you were on.
Mike

I see.
By the way, what about my question to you in the previous post? Do you still believe I will leave my husband if he is broke? I am most curious.

elenag
01-11-2006, 04:48 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

JEEEZZ... I feel like I'm in the same type of back+forth like you and ham are doing.

Not yet, but you will I think


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
1. You are a woman and dont think like a man, the way that you describe and write is why you are questioned, You don't think before you write.Thats why you are questioned, and for crying out loud,your a russian woman and most of the men on these forums are interested in russian woman etc. so would'nt you say, that some may look at you as some type of example of what a russian woman might be like? DUH !

so, what do you want me to do? write only what you want to hear?




quote:Originally posted by scam magnet2. would you say you are setting a good example?

Example of what?



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet3. Now that you told what your situation was when you met your husband
it portrays a different story all together and the way its looked at,much better.Maybe this be a lesson to you.
If it was a lesson, I totally missed it. Can you re-cap? :D



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet4. Please forgive me for my rude comments in the past,thats not the kind of person that I am, they were uncalled for..
Deal. We will never speak of it again. Or at least I won't if you won't.

elenag
01-11-2006, 04:48 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

JEEEZZ... I feel like I'm in the same type of back+forth like you and ham are doing.

Not yet, but you will I think


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
1. You are a woman and dont think like a man, the way that you describe and write is why you are questioned, You don't think before you write.Thats why you are questioned, and for crying out loud,your a russian woman and most of the men on these forums are interested in russian woman etc. so would'nt you say, that some may look at you as some type of example of what a russian woman might be like? DUH !

so, what do you want me to do? write only what you want to hear?




quote:Originally posted by scam magnet2. would you say you are setting a good example?

Example of what?



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet3. Now that you told what your situation was when you met your husband
it portrays a different story all together and the way its looked at,much better.Maybe this be a lesson to you.
If it was a lesson, I totally missed it. Can you re-cap? :D



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet4. Please forgive me for my rude comments in the past,thats not the kind of person that I am, they were uncalled for..
Deal. We will never speak of it again. Or at least I won't if you won't.

elenag
01-11-2006, 05:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
concrete examples so you can understand. A friend was high school teacher in Montreal. In his big classes, who would make the hell break loose crying foul & indicting "racism" in case of a failed class, poor grade or reprimand? Negroes first, then other minorities. Now don't ask me why. Second: Many know the "Anne Frank's diary", the sensation WWII jewish bestseller, was written in part with a stylo a bille, ball pen, invented only in the 1950's. Authenticity let aside, during the break down of Yugoslavia some thought they could replicate the sensation and some "diary of Zlata Povic" was published along the same lines, where of course table turned and instead of evil nazies & poor jews you had evil croatians or whatever & poor bosnians. Needless to say, Zlata's diary never became a hit: why? I won't go further into this.

I didn't get the Zlava thing. What does it has to do with unconventional lifestyles? And why did we go into Anne Frank's diary? Please stop speaking in examples and use just simple phrases. I am not good on catching hints.

So can you explain again?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others? ??, and you gave me, #8992;At least I am not sending people to die!?? speech. So, what about my question?

your statement is idiotic.
you're mixing apples & dog's sh!t.
So in your opinion a dodger who starts a war & lets OTHERS die instead of dodging like he did is "just another small glitch in one's life" like speeding? Then think whatever you want.

I am not mixing anything because I am not comparing anything.
I did not ask you how your compare to Bush. Or to Stalin. Or to Mother Teresa. Or to King Tut. Forget about them. Especially about Bush, you are way too stuck on this Bush thing.
So, let's try again? Question: "I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?"



quote:Originally posted by ham
and the older the man the crazier the frenzy.

Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.


quote:Originally posted by ham
i wrote elsewhere:


quote:Of course some men may be tempted and say: "so, what?! Ok, it's sort of an arranged thing, but who cares! I'm in my 50s, two divorces, not an hopeless romantic anymore, thus i'd better go for it because i can't get arm candy locally anyway! Love is for the poet. I'm taking viagra and having great sex tonight in the face of my buddy Elvis and his mummy wife! ".
Sure...
I have nothing to say.
She closes her eyes & thinks of Mel Gibson, Brad Pitt or -more likely- good old Boris back home, her nice ex-boyfriend whose main fault was to drive some 1985 ford escort while still living with his parents, not a mercedes like you do.
Foot the bills and be happy until it lasts.
Someday she may just meet someone at school or while shopping and your bubble can burst; she can just get bored or think she has played the game long enough; she may want the spark of "feelings" back in her life: it happens all the time...then your second or third divorce perhaps, leaving you depleted at an age when you have little time left to rebuild your fortune.
Remember there are no big feelings, prude face saving or poet's stuff in between her & yellow pages under "divorce lawyers": that's why it worked to start with.
My personal opinion is that such "arranged" things with such level-headed presence of mind are ok for a "relationship"...marriage being something different (children etc), although today the 2 intertwine for most people.
I see. Your main problem with me is my view on the importance of romantic love in marriage. Well, what can I say? I have a feeling that a common ground between us will probably never be reached on this particular issue. So, I vote for not wasting the time.




quote:Originally posted by ham
[quote]quote:o there lies the truth: a pragmatic approach, a career move perhaps, getting settled; wise indeed.
no doubt you played your best cards.
Then, there are even women into the "father figure" syndrome. Psychologists have written much about that.
I said this 50 posts ago.
[blue]I don't think things happen by sheer chance...there must be a reason why a woman prefers much older men: money, psychological issues to deal with, or both.

Yes I remember. Do you remember me telling you why I was looking for a guy in his late 30es and up? Any recollection? Or do you simple reject those arguments as valid (since they don't fit into your value system)? I never quite understood.



quote:Originally posted by ham

that is rubbish.
i once pooled some genealogy archives in Canada.
i thought in the old times huge age gaps were common.
i was wrong.
Of course old men like women half their age to brag about & sport like they would a luxury car or a gold watch.

Just for my info: how old is Canada? I mean, how long back was it colonized or whatever? I actually have no idea.
About watch.. I don't mind my hubby bragging about me. I am actually glad that I am something to brag about.. Sorry if it sounds rude.


quote:Originally posted by ham
rubbish again.
Well, for a start query the database of some big church or city hall.
they usually publish the bride & groom's details.

I don't have that kind of time. But if you perform the calculation, I will appreciate your effort.



quote:Originally posted by ham
i don't think citing any study would change your mind: i'd just waste my time .

Well, maybe you could at least try?


quote:Originally posted by ham
Second, you say you'll be happier than ever when you're 40 & he's 68...i say you'll be long divorced before that, based on cases i could read about

Ah, the playboy editor? Yes I remember.
I never said I would be happier than ever etc. I have no clue whether or not I will be happy or not... or married or not... or alive or not.. Or did I?



Originally posted by ham
do you really believe this nonsense or are you just trying to be funny?
Of course the lower the age gap, the bigger the number; and now you can be even funnier saying: so what's wrong? After all, 5, 10 or 30 years age gap are the same
When did I ever say that? I don't remember.
They are not the same, why would I say something like that? They each have unique set of Xs and Ys, they each will draw a different picture. But they all still called age gap marraiges. Or will you argue now that only 30 years gap qualifies as an age gap marriage?
So, I asked you a question: I agree that 30 years gap marriages are not too common. But what about 15 or 20 or 25 years gap? There are more of those. I don't get what you found to be nonsence in my answer?

elenag
01-11-2006, 05:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
concrete examples so you can understand. A friend was high school teacher in Montreal. In his big classes, who would make the hell break loose crying foul & indicting "racism" in case of a failed class, poor grade or reprimand? Negroes first, then other minorities. Now don't ask me why. Second: Many know the "Anne Frank's diary", the sensation WWII jewish bestseller, was written in part with a stylo a bille, ball pen, invented only in the 1950's. Authenticity let aside, during the break down of Yugoslavia some thought they could replicate the sensation and some "diary of Zlata Povic" was published along the same lines, where of course table turned and instead of evil nazies & poor jews you had evil croatians or whatever & poor bosnians. Needless to say, Zlata's diary never became a hit: why? I won't go further into this.

I didn't get the Zlava thing. What does it has to do with unconventional lifestyles? And why did we go into Anne Frank's diary? Please stop speaking in examples and use just simple phrases. I am not good on catching hints.

So can you explain again?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others? ??, and you gave me, #8992;At least I am not sending people to die!?? speech. So, what about my question?

your statement is idiotic.
you're mixing apples & dog's sh!t.
So in your opinion a dodger who starts a war & lets OTHERS die instead of dodging like he did is "just another small glitch in one's life" like speeding? Then think whatever you want.

I am not mixing anything because I am not comparing anything.
I did not ask you how your compare to Bush. Or to Stalin. Or to Mother Teresa. Or to King Tut. Forget about them. Especially about Bush, you are way too stuck on this Bush thing.
So, let's try again? Question: "I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?"



quote:Originally posted by ham
and the older the man the crazier the frenzy.

Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.


quote:Originally posted by ham
i wrote elsewhere:


quote:Of course some men may be tempted and say: "so, what?! Ok, it's sort of an arranged thing, but who cares! I'm in my 50s, two divorces, not an hopeless romantic anymore, thus i'd better go for it because i can't get arm candy locally anyway! Love is for the poet. I'm taking viagra and having great sex tonight in the face of my buddy Elvis and his mummy wife! ".
Sure...
I have nothing to say.
She closes her eyes & thinks of Mel Gibson, Brad Pitt or -more likely- good old Boris back home, her nice ex-boyfriend whose main fault was to drive some 1985 ford escort while still living with his parents, not a mercedes like you do.
Foot the bills and be happy until it lasts.
Someday she may just meet someone at school or while shopping and your bubble can burst; she can just get bored or think she has played the game long enough; she may want the spark of "feelings" back in her life: it happens all the time...then your second or third divorce perhaps, leaving you depleted at an age when you have little time left to rebuild your fortune.
Remember there are no big feelings, prude face saving or poet's stuff in between her & yellow pages under "divorce lawyers": that's why it worked to start with.
My personal opinion is that such "arranged" things with such level-headed presence of mind are ok for a "relationship"...marriage being something different (children etc), although today the 2 intertwine for most people.
I see. Your main problem with me is my view on the importance of romantic love in marriage. Well, what can I say? I have a feeling that a common ground between us will probably never be reached on this particular issue. So, I vote for not wasting the time.




quote:Originally posted by ham
[quote]quote:o there lies the truth: a pragmatic approach, a career move perhaps, getting settled; wise indeed.
no doubt you played your best cards.
Then, there are even women into the "father figure" syndrome. Psychologists have written much about that.
I said this 50 posts ago.
[blue]I don't think things happen by sheer chance...there must be a reason why a woman prefers much older men: money, psychological issues to deal with, or both.

Yes I remember. Do you remember me telling you why I was looking for a guy in his late 30es and up? Any recollection? Or do you simple reject those arguments as valid (since they don't fit into your value system)? I never quite understood.



quote:Originally posted by ham

that is rubbish.
i once pooled some genealogy archives in Canada.
i thought in the old times huge age gaps were common.
i was wrong.
Of course old men like women half their age to brag about & sport like they would a luxury car or a gold watch.

Just for my info: how old is Canada? I mean, how long back was it colonized or whatever? I actually have no idea.
About watch.. I don't mind my hubby bragging about me. I am actually glad that I am something to brag about.. Sorry if it sounds rude.


quote:Originally posted by ham
rubbish again.
Well, for a start query the database of some big church or city hall.
they usually publish the bride & groom's details.

I don't have that kind of time. But if you perform the calculation, I will appreciate your effort.



quote:Originally posted by ham
i don't think citing any study would change your mind: i'd just waste my time .

Well, maybe you could at least try?


quote:Originally posted by ham
Second, you say you'll be happier than ever when you're 40 & he's 68...i say you'll be long divorced before that, based on cases i could read about

Ah, the playboy editor? Yes I remember.
I never said I would be happier than ever etc. I have no clue whether or not I will be happy or not... or married or not... or alive or not.. Or did I?



Originally posted by ham
do you really believe this nonsense or are you just trying to be funny?
Of course the lower the age gap, the bigger the number; and now you can be even funnier saying: so what's wrong? After all, 5, 10 or 30 years age gap are the same
When did I ever say that? I don't remember.
They are not the same, why would I say something like that? They each have unique set of Xs and Ys, they each will draw a different picture. But they all still called age gap marraiges. Or will you argue now that only 30 years gap qualifies as an age gap marriage?
So, I asked you a question: I agree that 30 years gap marriages are not too common. But what about 15 or 20 or 25 years gap? There are more of those. I don't get what you found to be nonsence in my answer?

ham
01-11-2006, 07:51 AM
quote:Just for my info: how old is Canada? I mean, how long back was it colonized or whatever? I actually have no idea.
About watch.. I don't mind my hubby bragging about me. I am actually glad that I am something to brag about.. Sorry if it sounds rude.



you can talk of european settlements in the XVII century.


quote:I never said I would be happier than ever etc. I have no clue whether or not I will be happy or not... or married or not... or alive or not.. Or did I?



that was my point...you'll probably be alive...married, this i doubt.


quote:
I don't have that kind of time. But if you perform the calculation, I will appreciate your effort.




i read something online about it, but you'd say that is no proof.


quote:Yes I remember. Do you remember me telling you why I was looking for a guy in his late 30es and up? Any recollection? Or do you simple reject those arguments as valid (since they don't fit into your value system)? I never quite understood.



you said old(er) people make "better husbands". I read enough along these lines while browsing agencies websites. Well, the vast majority are divorced (1 or more times... ), thus i don't really see how "better" husbands they can actually be, compared to the first coming idiot you meet on the streets. Sure, there is the conspiracy theory about western women, lefty courts etc...ok, we know that & that is true to a great extent. [u]HOWEVER</u> FSUWs are not women from a different planet ( so that one won't take similar odds with them at all): they're just from a different country & to start with, they wouldn't bother with you if you were not from the west & wanting to play knight in shining armour.
I can attest when i mentioned i'd like to relocate to the FSU, that i'm learning russian and that i send no money to people i have never met and that i'm not into supporting extended families ( all reasonable attitudes i think ), 4/5+ FSUWs disappeared quickly.
Now, what about my wonderful self?
Oh...no self worth talking about unless they can move here and unless i open my wallet right away?


quote:Or will you argue now that only 30 years gap qualifies as an age gap marriage?


my parents have 10 months age gap...but i suggest 30 years is more of a problem.


quote:Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.




quote:Let's put it this way.... do you think a man would bother talking to a woman if he is impotent??? What for?!?!
My friend, don't misunderstand me... I think to get married we should simply neglect our true head coz if you think philosophically, you find that women are just source of trouble whether russians or whatever.... I am not a gay but this is a fact. If you look at the history, most of successful and philosophical men were either single or divorced...



quote:Question: "I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?"


i already replied ten times but you won't understand, so ok feel free to say my skeletons are as big & as many as Bush, Stalin or whoever else's.

ham
01-11-2006, 07:51 AM
quote:Just for my info: how old is Canada? I mean, how long back was it colonized or whatever? I actually have no idea.
About watch.. I don't mind my hubby bragging about me. I am actually glad that I am something to brag about.. Sorry if it sounds rude.



you can talk of european settlements in the XVII century.


quote:I never said I would be happier than ever etc. I have no clue whether or not I will be happy or not... or married or not... or alive or not.. Or did I?



that was my point...you'll probably be alive...married, this i doubt.


quote:
I don't have that kind of time. But if you perform the calculation, I will appreciate your effort.




i read something online about it, but you'd say that is no proof.


quote:Yes I remember. Do you remember me telling you why I was looking for a guy in his late 30es and up? Any recollection? Or do you simple reject those arguments as valid (since they don't fit into your value system)? I never quite understood.



you said old(er) people make "better husbands". I read enough along these lines while browsing agencies websites. Well, the vast majority are divorced (1 or more times... ), thus i don't really see how "better" husbands they can actually be, compared to the first coming idiot you meet on the streets. Sure, there is the conspiracy theory about western women, lefty courts etc...ok, we know that & that is true to a great extent. [u]HOWEVER</u> FSUWs are not women from a different planet ( so that one won't take similar odds with them at all): they're just from a different country & to start with, they wouldn't bother with you if you were not from the west & wanting to play knight in shining armour.
I can attest when i mentioned i'd like to relocate to the FSU, that i'm learning russian and that i send no money to people i have never met and that i'm not into supporting extended families ( all reasonable attitudes i think ), 4/5+ FSUWs disappeared quickly.
Now, what about my wonderful self?
Oh...no self worth talking about unless they can move here and unless i open my wallet right away?


quote:Or will you argue now that only 30 years gap qualifies as an age gap marriage?


my parents have 10 months age gap...but i suggest 30 years is more of a problem.


quote:Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.




quote:Let's put it this way.... do you think a man would bother talking to a woman if he is impotent??? What for?!?!
My friend, don't misunderstand me... I think to get married we should simply neglect our true head coz if you think philosophically, you find that women are just source of trouble whether russians or whatever.... I am not a gay but this is a fact. If you look at the history, most of successful and philosophical men were either single or divorced...



quote:Question: "I bet you have just as many skeletons in the closet as most of us, mortals. So why do you take so much pleasure in throwing stones at others?"


i already replied ten times but you won't understand, so ok feel free to say my skeletons are as big & as many as Bush, Stalin or whoever else's.

scam magnet
01-12-2006, 04:24 AM
Hi Elenag, tochey
Would you leave your husband if he were to go broke,I think anythings possible, Sometimes people get tired of struggeling.There are so many variables.I've always said, Be careful who you say hi to, it can change your whole life.
Let me give you an example, that happened with me. Im 44 now, but when i was 40 I was quite the party animal, I had a great business,
a beautiful fiance lots of friends and thats how it was since I was 21,except the fiance part, many woman thruout the years.
What Happened!! I took a look at my life and wanted more,Some say I grew up? I knew that I couldn't get to where I wanted to go from where I was at So I had to change everything, Mainly the lifestyle, My fiance and certain friends. The payoff has been unbelieveable.
I did not plan for it to happen that way,it just did.
It can happen to anyone, including you!! and what that is is a moment
of CLARITY.

As far as awnsering the rest of the questions,I cannot explain it any better than I already have.
My suggestion is for you to have someone,maybe your husband or friend
read what I wrote and explain it so you understand.
Be sure to hold one of your hands over one of your ears while this is being done,This will help you hold the information and maybe? understand, Then see if you still have questions.
Your new friend Mike

scam magnet
01-12-2006, 04:24 AM
Hi Elenag, tochey
Would you leave your husband if he were to go broke,I think anythings possible, Sometimes people get tired of struggeling.There are so many variables.I've always said, Be careful who you say hi to, it can change your whole life.
Let me give you an example, that happened with me. Im 44 now, but when i was 40 I was quite the party animal, I had a great business,
a beautiful fiance lots of friends and thats how it was since I was 21,except the fiance part, many woman thruout the years.
What Happened!! I took a look at my life and wanted more,Some say I grew up? I knew that I couldn't get to where I wanted to go from where I was at So I had to change everything, Mainly the lifestyle, My fiance and certain friends. The payoff has been unbelieveable.
I did not plan for it to happen that way,it just did.
It can happen to anyone, including you!! and what that is is a moment
of CLARITY.

As far as awnsering the rest of the questions,I cannot explain it any better than I already have.
My suggestion is for you to have someone,maybe your husband or friend
read what I wrote and explain it so you understand.
Be sure to hold one of your hands over one of your ears while this is being done,This will help you hold the information and maybe? understand, Then see if you still have questions.
Your new friend Mike

elenag
01-15-2006, 02:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Hi Elenag, tochey
Would you leave your husband if he were to go broke,I think anythings possible, Sometimes people get tired of struggeling.There are so many variables.I've always said, Be careful who you say hi to, it can change your whole life.

Amen.


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
Let me give you an example, that happened with me. Im 44 now, but when i was 40 I was quite the party animal, I had a great business,
a beautiful fiance lots of friends and thats how it was since I was 21,except the fiance part, many woman thruout the years.
I took a look at my life and wanted more,Some say I grew up?
See. and people are still wondering why I think under 35 is still a bit too early for the guys.



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
My suggestion is for you to have someone,maybe your husband or friend
read what I wrote and explain it so you understand.
Be sure to hold one of your hands over one of your ears while this is being done,
[B)] I am not a natural blond, you know.

elenag
01-15-2006, 02:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Hi Elenag, tochey
Would you leave your husband if he were to go broke,I think anythings possible, Sometimes people get tired of struggeling.There are so many variables.I've always said, Be careful who you say hi to, it can change your whole life.

Amen.


quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
Let me give you an example, that happened with me. Im 44 now, but when i was 40 I was quite the party animal, I had a great business,
a beautiful fiance lots of friends and thats how it was since I was 21,except the fiance part, many woman thruout the years.
I took a look at my life and wanted more,Some say I grew up?
See. and people are still wondering why I think under 35 is still a bit too early for the guys.



quote:Originally posted by scam magnet
My suggestion is for you to have someone,maybe your husband or friend
read what I wrote and explain it so you understand.
Be sure to hold one of your hands over one of your ears while this is being done,
[B)] I am not a natural blond, you know.

Detective
01-15-2006, 03:32 AM
Elenag,
You said that Guys &lt; 35 years are not mature or whatever...
Let me tell you that I would easily know, just from this simple phrase, that u are not north american (and I know u r russian from before but this has nothing to do with this discussion). Where I was born and lived for 26 years think also like russians and eastern europeans. I think that family values in russia and some other europeans countries are really better than some part of the west although this might not be 100%. For example, in northern parts of canada, you will see that family values are more important than personal values even. I think that the tax the west is paying for being industrialised is by a weak family and that's why, in my opinion, some westerners are looking east. The only problem is that by looking east, westerners are trapped by scammers....and the simple conclusion is that the east is as worse as the west.
In North America, the children are raised differently as compared to eastern europe and russia....or other third world countries. Children here are given more priviledges and they take harder decisions compared to eastern europeans... and hence they develope more independance. The price of independancy is also manifested at home. If I am able to take decisions, able to support myself, able to do whatever I want.... why would I share it with someone.... The idea of marriage in North America is different than russians and eastern europeans.... In North America, couples live together but remain independant... the couple usually work, pay there own bills independantly.... they sometimes even do not simple things like dishes, cars or cell phones..... whereas some other places and other societies, the couple behave as one. For example, where I was raised, the couple would go together in all occasions... they share everything.... the link between the two is stronger than north american couples... this is usually I am saying....
The western men want to be in industrialised countries at work and in eastern european countries when they're at home.... this is not possible. We should choose whether we want to be in New york and behave as new yorkers or be in russia and pay the price of staying in a poor country... There is nothing without a price.

Detective
01-15-2006, 03:32 AM
Elenag,
You said that Guys &lt; 35 years are not mature or whatever...
Let me tell you that I would easily know, just from this simple phrase, that u are not north american (and I know u r russian from before but this has nothing to do with this discussion). Where I was born and lived for 26 years think also like russians and eastern europeans. I think that family values in russia and some other europeans countries are really better than some part of the west although this might not be 100%. For example, in northern parts of canada, you will see that family values are more important than personal values even. I think that the tax the west is paying for being industrialised is by a weak family and that's why, in my opinion, some westerners are looking east. The only problem is that by looking east, westerners are trapped by scammers....and the simple conclusion is that the east is as worse as the west.
In North America, the children are raised differently as compared to eastern europe and russia....or other third world countries. Children here are given more priviledges and they take harder decisions compared to eastern europeans... and hence they develope more independance. The price of independancy is also manifested at home. If I am able to take decisions, able to support myself, able to do whatever I want.... why would I share it with someone.... The idea of marriage in North America is different than russians and eastern europeans.... In North America, couples live together but remain independant... the couple usually work, pay there own bills independantly.... they sometimes even do not simple things like dishes, cars or cell phones..... whereas some other places and other societies, the couple behave as one. For example, where I was raised, the couple would go together in all occasions... they share everything.... the link between the two is stronger than north american couples... this is usually I am saying....
The western men want to be in industrialised countries at work and in eastern european countries when they're at home.... this is not possible. We should choose whether we want to be in New york and behave as new yorkers or be in russia and pay the price of staying in a poor country... There is nothing without a price.

ham
01-15-2006, 07:50 AM
quote:The western men want to be in industrialised countries at work and in eastern european countries when they're at home.... this is not possible. We should choose whether we want to be in New york and behave as new yorkers or be in russia and pay the price of staying in a poor country... There is nothing without a price

the whole thing was a big brother orchestrated move (men needed for war, hence women at work etc ) but the only thing we're left with is poor morals & typical couples living on a "bill sharing" basis, because despite the fourth cellphone & the 54 car instalments to go, it is difficult to support oneself on a typical, average labour or front desk clerical kind of job (here a labourer where say they work or assemble things typically earns around 900E, while a front desk bank clerk around 1000-1100 ), so they basically seek a "roommate".

In the earlier decades we would be told the price was high but we were da sheet and look at poorer countries where they do have family values left but eat dogs for supper.
These days, with the exception of Africa where i think people are just good at what they're currently doing: jumping on cardboard boats, tribal warfare & begging for cheap AIDS medicines under the pretense of racism, many other countries (from China to Pakistan to Malaysia) are literally ripping our a$$ in shreds with superior product at 1/10 the cost.
That shows flushing our societal values down the drain accomplished nothing, if Pakistan can outperform us so easily.
Sure, we have "women's studies chairs" and gay marriages, while our factories sell out or close down because China produces Versace-like clothing items as good as ours; or computers; or whatever.

In the late 80's here we'd laugh our a$$ off at Albania & their domino economic disaster triggered by dodgy financial institutions...god, these third world muslims are really idiots.
Lately it happened to Argentina and these days here we have repeated domino style scandals involving major banks & financial institutions...nothing but fraud, embezzelment & looting.
Third world muslims aren't alone in their idiocy.

ham
01-15-2006, 07:50 AM
quote:The western men want to be in industrialised countries at work and in eastern european countries when they're at home.... this is not possible. We should choose whether we want to be in New york and behave as new yorkers or be in russia and pay the price of staying in a poor country... There is nothing without a price

the whole thing was a big brother orchestrated move (men needed for war, hence women at work etc ) but the only thing we're left with is poor morals & typical couples living on a "bill sharing" basis, because despite the fourth cellphone & the 54 car instalments to go, it is difficult to support oneself on a typical, average labour or front desk clerical kind of job (here a labourer where say they work or assemble things typically earns around 900E, while a front desk bank clerk around 1000-1100 ), so they basically seek a "roommate".

In the earlier decades we would be told the price was high but we were da sheet and look at poorer countries where they do have family values left but eat dogs for supper.
These days, with the exception of Africa where i think people are just good at what they're currently doing: jumping on cardboard boats, tribal warfare & begging for cheap AIDS medicines under the pretense of racism, many other countries (from China to Pakistan to Malaysia) are literally ripping our a$$ in shreds with superior product at 1/10 the cost.
That shows flushing our societal values down the drain accomplished nothing, if Pakistan can outperform us so easily.
Sure, we have "women's studies chairs" and gay marriages, while our factories sell out or close down because China produces Versace-like clothing items as good as ours; or computers; or whatever.

In the late 80's here we'd laugh our a$$ off at Albania & their domino economic disaster triggered by dodgy financial institutions...god, these third world muslims are really idiots.
Lately it happened to Argentina and these days here we have repeated domino style scandals involving major banks & financial institutions...nothing but fraud, embezzelment & looting.
Third world muslims aren't alone in their idiocy.

elenag
01-16-2006, 03:23 AM
hi everyone,

Detective,
I did not really understand your post. third world Muslim and product manufacturing in Pakistan? what does it has to do with the things I was talking about?


Ham,
I read your post and I am frustrated that you skipped my questions again. Our conversation is becoming pointless.

look at the last few posts between us. I asked what do "conventional lifestyle" people do when they feel offended, and you gave me Anne Frank and Zlava Povick story, and asked me to stop playing Jacques Derrida. I am still not sure that to make out of it.

I asked you whether you consider all ladies "meat", and you managed to ignore the question twice.

I asked what was the reason for you to constantly throw stones at others, and I can't get a straight answer from you (except for passionate anti-Bush speeches)...

there were many other questions along the way that you all seem to completely ignore.

do you just get so into what you want to say that you do not hear my questions? or do you only answer questions that you want to answer, and prefer to sweep the rest under the rug? Or maybe you are only good with asking questions, but no good at answering them?

i am getting bored with this conversation.

Oh yeah, here is the answer to your latest post:


quote:
you said old(er) people make "better husbands". I read enough along these lines while browsing agencies websites. Well, the vast majority are divorced (1 or more times... ), thus i don't really see how "better" husbands they can actually be, compared to the first coming idiot you meet on the streets.
see my previous comment about "some of them have been through the marriage experience once or twice and hopefully their dummest marriage (and parenting) mistakes have already been made".


quote:Sure, there is the conspiracy theory about western women, lefty courts etc...ok, we know that & that is true to a great extent.
I don't know of any of those conspiracy theories. And I don't think American women are all that bad. The ones I met were nice and fun.



quote:I can attest when i mentioned i'd like to relocate to the FSU, that i'm learning russian and that i send no money to people i have never met and that i'm not into supporting extended families ( all reasonable attitudes i think ), 4/5+ FSUWs disappeared quickly.
Now, what about my wonderful self?

1. I don't think your wonderful self would survive in Russia for long, so your ladies are probably also skeptical about it.
2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia. But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them.

Other questions?

elenag
01-16-2006, 03:23 AM
hi everyone,

Detective,
I did not really understand your post. third world Muslim and product manufacturing in Pakistan? what does it has to do with the things I was talking about?


Ham,
I read your post and I am frustrated that you skipped my questions again. Our conversation is becoming pointless.

look at the last few posts between us. I asked what do "conventional lifestyle" people do when they feel offended, and you gave me Anne Frank and Zlava Povick story, and asked me to stop playing Jacques Derrida. I am still not sure that to make out of it.

I asked you whether you consider all ladies "meat", and you managed to ignore the question twice.

I asked what was the reason for you to constantly throw stones at others, and I can't get a straight answer from you (except for passionate anti-Bush speeches)...

there were many other questions along the way that you all seem to completely ignore.

do you just get so into what you want to say that you do not hear my questions? or do you only answer questions that you want to answer, and prefer to sweep the rest under the rug? Or maybe you are only good with asking questions, but no good at answering them?

i am getting bored with this conversation.

Oh yeah, here is the answer to your latest post:


quote:
you said old(er) people make "better husbands". I read enough along these lines while browsing agencies websites. Well, the vast majority are divorced (1 or more times... ), thus i don't really see how "better" husbands they can actually be, compared to the first coming idiot you meet on the streets.
see my previous comment about "some of them have been through the marriage experience once or twice and hopefully their dummest marriage (and parenting) mistakes have already been made".


quote:Sure, there is the conspiracy theory about western women, lefty courts etc...ok, we know that & that is true to a great extent.
I don't know of any of those conspiracy theories. And I don't think American women are all that bad. The ones I met were nice and fun.



quote:I can attest when i mentioned i'd like to relocate to the FSU, that i'm learning russian and that i send no money to people i have never met and that i'm not into supporting extended families ( all reasonable attitudes i think ), 4/5+ FSUWs disappeared quickly.
Now, what about my wonderful self?

1. I don't think your wonderful self would survive in Russia for long, so your ladies are probably also skeptical about it.
2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia. But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them.

Other questions?

ham
01-16-2006, 07:05 AM
quote:]]Originally posted by scam magnet
My suggestion is for you to have someone,maybe your husband or friend
read what I wrote and explain it so you understand.
Be sure to hold one of your hands over one of your ears while this is being done,


quote:I asked what was the reason for you to constantly throw stones at others, and I can't get a straight answer from you (except for passionate anti-Bush speeches)...



quote:i already replied ten times but you won't understand, so ok feel free to say my skeletons are as big & as many as Bush, Stalin or whoever else's.



quote:quote:
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Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.


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quote:
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Let's put it this way.... do you think a man would bother talking to a woman if he is impotent??? What for?!?!
My friend, don't misunderstand me... I think to get married we should simply neglect our true head coz if you think philosophically, you find that women are just source of trouble whether russians or whatever.... I am not a gay but this is a fact. If you look at the history, most of successful and philosophical men were either single or divorced...

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you see i already answered your questions, but revert to the first lines of this post for clarification. If you either dislike or don't understand my answer, that's something i can't fix.


quote:do you just get so into what you want to say that you do not hear my questions? or do you only answer questions that you want to answer, and prefer to sweep the rest under the rug? Or maybe you are only good with asking questions, but no good at answering them?


i answered many times, but you kept getting back to the same point.
What do you want me to say?


quote:2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia.[u]But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them. </u>


well, that is exactly what i was saying.
Most women in the MOB pursuit do [u]NOT</u> care about my wonderful self at all, but my country or passport first. OK, agreed. Women under 30 have plenty of alive & well local male suitors (but some chase westerners old enough to be their father to relocate ). OK, agreed. Of course the % of women who don't specifically care for a foreigner, a passport, bailing out etc are nowhere to be found fooling around over the internet/MOB scene. OK.Agreed.That is why i'd like to relocate there. Thanks for restating my points.

ham
01-16-2006, 07:05 AM
quote:]]Originally posted by scam magnet
My suggestion is for you to have someone,maybe your husband or friend
read what I wrote and explain it so you understand.
Be sure to hold one of your hands over one of your ears while this is being done,


quote:I asked what was the reason for you to constantly throw stones at others, and I can't get a straight answer from you (except for passionate anti-Bush speeches)...



quote:i already replied ten times but you won't understand, so ok feel free to say my skeletons are as big & as many as Bush, Stalin or whoever else's.



quote:quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.


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quote:
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Let's put it this way.... do you think a man would bother talking to a woman if he is impotent??? What for?!?!
My friend, don't misunderstand me... I think to get married we should simply neglect our true head coz if you think philosophically, you find that women are just source of trouble whether russians or whatever.... I am not a gay but this is a fact. If you look at the history, most of successful and philosophical men were either single or divorced...

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you see i already answered your questions, but revert to the first lines of this post for clarification. If you either dislike or don't understand my answer, that's something i can't fix.


quote:do you just get so into what you want to say that you do not hear my questions? or do you only answer questions that you want to answer, and prefer to sweep the rest under the rug? Or maybe you are only good with asking questions, but no good at answering them?


i answered many times, but you kept getting back to the same point.
What do you want me to say?


quote:2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia.[u]But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them. </u>


well, that is exactly what i was saying.
Most women in the MOB pursuit do [u]NOT</u> care about my wonderful self at all, but my country or passport first. OK, agreed. Women under 30 have plenty of alive & well local male suitors (but some chase westerners old enough to be their father to relocate ). OK, agreed. Of course the % of women who don't specifically care for a foreigner, a passport, bailing out etc are nowhere to be found fooling around over the internet/MOB scene. OK.Agreed.That is why i'd like to relocate there. Thanks for restating my points.

elenag
01-20-2006, 10:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham
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Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.
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quote:
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Let's put it this way.... do you think a man would bother talking to a woman if he is impotent??? What for?!?!
My friend, don't misunderstand me... I think to get married we should simply neglect our true head coz if you think philosophically, you find that women are just source of trouble whether russians or whatever.... I am not a gay but this is a fact. If you look at the history, most of successful and philosophical men were either single or divorced...
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you see i already answered your questions, but revert to the first lines of this post for clarification. If you either dislike or don't understand my answer, that's something i can't fix.
[/quote]
That was Detective's comment, not yours. Are you posting as Ham and as Detective? If you are, then it all makes sense. Otherwise I am confused.

My question to YOU was: "Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones?" Given your reference to Detective's post, I suppose that you imply that all women are "meat" in your opinion. Correct?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:do you just get so into what you want to say that you do not hear my questions? or do you only answer questions that you want to answer, and prefer to sweep the rest under the rug? Or maybe you are only good with asking questions, but no good at answering them?

i answered many times, but you kept getting back to the same point.

Ah. I am sorry. You are right, I must be getting brain fried or something. So, just one more time, help me out would you? What were those answers again? The three easy questions:
1) What do "conventional lifestyle" people do when feel insulted? We already heard what "unconventional" ones do.. no need to repeat again, thank you.
2) Are all women "meat" to you?
3) Why you enjoy throwing stones at others so much?

Oh, and here is another one... What is MOB relationship, MOB marriage, MOB pursuit, MOB scene, etc. What is it?





quote:Originally posted by ham
well, that is exactly what i was saying.
Most women in the MOB pursuit do [u]NOT</u> care about my wonderful self at all, but my country or passport first. OK, agreed.
Did I say that? Where?


quote:Originally posted by ham
Women under 30 have plenty of alive & well local male suitors (but some chase westerners old enough to be their father to relocate ). OK, agreed.
Agreed.


quote:Originally posted by ham
Of course the % of women who don't specifically care for a foreigner, a passport, bailing out etc are nowhere to be found fooling around over the internet/MOB scene. OK.Agreed.

Agreed.


quote:Originally posted by ham
That is why i'd like to relocate there. Thanks for restating my points.

Any time.
Are you serious about relocating?

elenag
01-20-2006, 10:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham
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Which reminds me.. what about the " Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones? " I am interested now.
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quote:
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Let's put it this way.... do you think a man would bother talking to a woman if he is impotent??? What for?!?!
My friend, don't misunderstand me... I think to get married we should simply neglect our true head coz if you think philosophically, you find that women are just source of trouble whether russians or whatever.... I am not a gay but this is a fact. If you look at the history, most of successful and philosophical men were either single or divorced...
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you see i already answered your questions, but revert to the first lines of this post for clarification. If you either dislike or don't understand my answer, that's something i can't fix.
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That was Detective's comment, not yours. Are you posting as Ham and as Detective? If you are, then it all makes sense. Otherwise I am confused.

My question to YOU was: "Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones?" Given your reference to Detective's post, I suppose that you imply that all women are "meat" in your opinion. Correct?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:do you just get so into what you want to say that you do not hear my questions? or do you only answer questions that you want to answer, and prefer to sweep the rest under the rug? Or maybe you are only good with asking questions, but no good at answering them?

i answered many times, but you kept getting back to the same point.

Ah. I am sorry. You are right, I must be getting brain fried or something. So, just one more time, help me out would you? What were those answers again? The three easy questions:
1) What do "conventional lifestyle" people do when feel insulted? We already heard what "unconventional" ones do.. no need to repeat again, thank you.
2) Are all women "meat" to you?
3) Why you enjoy throwing stones at others so much?

Oh, and here is another one... What is MOB relationship, MOB marriage, MOB pursuit, MOB scene, etc. What is it?





quote:Originally posted by ham
well, that is exactly what i was saying.
Most women in the MOB pursuit do [u]NOT</u> care about my wonderful self at all, but my country or passport first. OK, agreed.
Did I say that? Where?


quote:Originally posted by ham
Women under 30 have plenty of alive & well local male suitors (but some chase westerners old enough to be their father to relocate ). OK, agreed.
Agreed.


quote:Originally posted by ham
Of course the % of women who don't specifically care for a foreigner, a passport, bailing out etc are nowhere to be found fooling around over the internet/MOB scene. OK.Agreed.

Agreed.


quote:Originally posted by ham
That is why i'd like to relocate there. Thanks for restating my points.

Any time.
Are you serious about relocating?

Detective
01-21-2006, 12:37 AM
Elenag,
I really laughed when u said I am posting as ham and detective... It is really funny but I am sure it is more than obvious that I am not ham....and by the way, I wish I know half of what ham knows... I don't agree with few things ham say but most of his postings are logic....
see you lata

Detective
01-21-2006, 12:37 AM
Elenag,
I really laughed when u said I am posting as ham and detective... It is really funny but I am sure it is more than obvious that I am not ham....and by the way, I wish I know half of what ham knows... I don't agree with few things ham say but most of his postings are logic....
see you lata

elenag
01-22-2006, 10:02 PM
Detective,

Do not worry I can't seriously imagine Mr. Ham playing you, but he did copied your comment and then said "See, I aleady answered you", so it made me think why would he say that...

You look up to Ham just like you used to look up to Nick. Only Nick kicked you know what out of you on a regular basis. I find it amusing. You are such an interesting poster to observe.

Anyhow, thanks for clarifying (the fact that you are not Ham I mean). How things are going with your polish lady? I hope all is good.

elenag
01-22-2006, 10:02 PM
Detective,

Do not worry I can't seriously imagine Mr. Ham playing you, but he did copied your comment and then said "See, I aleady answered you", so it made me think why would he say that...

You look up to Ham just like you used to look up to Nick. Only Nick kicked you know what out of you on a regular basis. I find it amusing. You are such an interesting poster to observe.

Anyhow, thanks for clarifying (the fact that you are not Ham I mean). How things are going with your polish lady? I hope all is good.

Detective
01-23-2006, 12:14 AM
Nick was paranoid and he thought I am a russian scammer or whatever... He is knowledgeable though but he thinks he's smart guy and probably he is but... there is always someone smarter right?
Have fun...

Detective
01-23-2006, 12:14 AM
Nick was paranoid and he thought I am a russian scammer or whatever... He is knowledgeable though but he thinks he's smart guy and probably he is but... there is always someone smarter right?
Have fun...

ham
01-23-2006, 07:39 AM
quote:Did I say that? Where?



quote:2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia.But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them.


now don't ask again where you said so.


quote:That was Detective's comment, not yours.

i found those words to be pertinent, even if they were not mine.


quote:1) What do "conventional lifestyle" people do when feel insulted? We already heard what "unconventional" ones do.. no need to repeat again, thank you.


they mostly cut their loss and move on.


quote:3) Why you enjoy throwing stones at others so much?


i love logic behaviour.
logic doesn't mean "moral" because everyone has different shades of morality, but consistent.


quote:Oh, and here is another one... What is MOB relationship, MOB marriage, MOB pursuit, MOB scene, etc. What is it?



you run a business about it and don't know?

MOB=Mail Order Bride


quote:My question to YOU was: "Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones?" Given your reference to Detective's post, I suppose that you imply that all women are "meat" in your opinion. Correct?


besides the biblical age gap thing, did the word "meat" hit home with you as well?
Oh, i'm oh-so-sorry.

ham
01-23-2006, 07:39 AM
quote:Did I say that? Where?



quote:2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia.But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them.


now don't ask again where you said so.


quote:That was Detective's comment, not yours.

i found those words to be pertinent, even if they were not mine.


quote:1) What do "conventional lifestyle" people do when feel insulted? We already heard what "unconventional" ones do.. no need to repeat again, thank you.


they mostly cut their loss and move on.


quote:3) Why you enjoy throwing stones at others so much?


i love logic behaviour.
logic doesn't mean "moral" because everyone has different shades of morality, but consistent.


quote:Oh, and here is another one... What is MOB relationship, MOB marriage, MOB pursuit, MOB scene, etc. What is it?



you run a business about it and don't know?

MOB=Mail Order Bride


quote:My question to YOU was: "Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones?" Given your reference to Detective's post, I suppose that you imply that all women are "meat" in your opinion. Correct?


besides the biblical age gap thing, did the word "meat" hit home with you as well?
Oh, i'm oh-so-sorry.

ham
01-23-2006, 07:43 AM
quote:Do not worry I can't seriously imagine Mr. Ham playing you, but he did copied your comment and then said "See, I aleady answered you", so it made me think why would he say that...


are your learning skills normal?
1 you asked a question
2 i replied with those lines (although not mie)
3 you asked the question again
4 i said i had already replied

i don't think the above can be constructed as admitting i am someone else.

ham
01-23-2006, 07:43 AM
quote:Do not worry I can't seriously imagine Mr. Ham playing you, but he did copied your comment and then said "See, I aleady answered you", so it made me think why would he say that...


are your learning skills normal?
1 you asked a question
2 i replied with those lines (although not mie)
3 you asked the question again
4 i said i had already replied

i don't think the above can be constructed as admitting i am someone else.

elenag
01-25-2006, 02:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:Did I say that? Where?



quote:2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia.But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them.


now don't ask again where you said so.
I said that and nothing more. You somehow came to a conclusion that "Most women in the MOB pursuit do NOT care about my wonderful self at all, but my country or passport first."
How did you get that from my post? When did I ever say that all ladies looking for marry abroad have no interest in the person they are marrying?

You seem to think that if lady is looking for a marriage abroad, she will have no interest in her husband once her goal is achieved. Is that true, do you think so?





quote:Originally posted by ham
i found those words to be pertinent, even if they were not mine.
So, you agree with Detective on the marriage issue? That there is no sense in staying with one partner for life, but only for as long as he or she excites you?


quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:1) What do "conventional lifestyle" people do when feel insulted? We already heard what "unconventional" ones do.. no need to repeat again, thank you.


they mostly cut their loss and move on.
Interestingly, you gave a clear answer, and I saw it and understood it. Maybe I am not that hopeless after all.

So, just to summarize... when feel offended, the "unconventional lifestyle" people get upset and cry foul, while "conventional lifestyle" people swallow it and move on. Is that right?


quote:Originally posted by ham
i love logic behaviour.
logic doesn't mean "moral" because everyone has different shades of morality, but consistent.

well, very good because I like logic too. See, something we both like, isn't that amazing?
In the name of love to logical thing, let's continue this conversation, shall we? There is only one logic as far as I know, and if we disagree on some subject it means that one of us made logical mistake in the process. I think as true logic lovers we have to find out who and where.



quote:Originally posted by ham
you run a business about it and don't know?

MOB=Mail Order Bride

No, I did not know, and thank you for clarifying, it was very nice of you.


quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:My question to YOU was: "Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones?" Given your reference to Detective's post, I suppose that you imply that all women are "meat" in your opinion. Correct?


besides the biblical age gap thing, did the word "meat" hit home with you as well?
Oh, i'm oh-so-sorry.

Well, again... My question was yes or no question and you didn't seem to recognize it. So, yes or no on the meat question?

elenag
01-25-2006, 02:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:Did I say that? Where?



quote:2. most RWs (under 28 and without children) can easily get married in Russia (well, as far as I can tell from living there for 20 years). Some of them decide that they will be much better living in another country though. So they get online and start looking. While others think that they are better off in Russia.But the second ones are rarely on the net chatting with foreigners, therefore it is nothing strange that you have not met them.


now don't ask again where you said so.
I said that and nothing more. You somehow came to a conclusion that "Most women in the MOB pursuit do NOT care about my wonderful self at all, but my country or passport first."
How did you get that from my post? When did I ever say that all ladies looking for marry abroad have no interest in the person they are marrying?

You seem to think that if lady is looking for a marriage abroad, she will have no interest in her husband once her goal is achieved. Is that true, do you think so?





quote:Originally posted by ham
i found those words to be pertinent, even if they were not mine.
So, you agree with Detective on the marriage issue? That there is no sense in staying with one partner for life, but only for as long as he or she excites you?


quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:1) What do "conventional lifestyle" people do when feel insulted? We already heard what "unconventional" ones do.. no need to repeat again, thank you.


they mostly cut their loss and move on.
Interestingly, you gave a clear answer, and I saw it and understood it. Maybe I am not that hopeless after all.

So, just to summarize... when feel offended, the "unconventional lifestyle" people get upset and cry foul, while "conventional lifestyle" people swallow it and move on. Is that right?


quote:Originally posted by ham
i love logic behaviour.
logic doesn't mean "moral" because everyone has different shades of morality, but consistent.

well, very good because I like logic too. See, something we both like, isn't that amazing?
In the name of love to logical thing, let's continue this conversation, shall we? There is only one logic as far as I know, and if we disagree on some subject it means that one of us made logical mistake in the process. I think as true logic lovers we have to find out who and where.



quote:Originally posted by ham
you run a business about it and don't know?

MOB=Mail Order Bride

No, I did not know, and thank you for clarifying, it was very nice of you.


quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:My question to YOU was: "Are all women 'meat' to you, or just the younger ones?" Given your reference to Detective's post, I suppose that you imply that all women are "meat" in your opinion. Correct?


besides the biblical age gap thing, did the word "meat" hit home with you as well?
Oh, i'm oh-so-sorry.

Well, again... My question was yes or no question and you didn't seem to recognize it. So, yes or no on the meat question?

Detective
01-25-2006, 02:50 AM
elena,
It is not even whether she exites me or not!.... it is whether my lifestyle goes along with hers... I have priorities and she also has. If they meet, we're together... if not, mmmmm.... sorry!!! Find someone more interesting than me!
It is my personal opinion and I think your opinion is better than mine but this doesn't mean anything. At the end, being family oriented is something great and appreciable by the society, whether north american or eastern european...
I might believe in this later on, who knows?
Good night dear...

Detective
01-25-2006, 02:50 AM
elena,
It is not even whether she exites me or not!.... it is whether my lifestyle goes along with hers... I have priorities and she also has. If they meet, we're together... if not, mmmmm.... sorry!!! Find someone more interesting than me!
It is my personal opinion and I think your opinion is better than mine but this doesn't mean anything. At the end, being family oriented is something great and appreciable by the society, whether north american or eastern european...
I might believe in this later on, who knows?
Good night dear...

ham
01-25-2006, 08:07 AM
quote:You seem to think that if lady is looking for a marriage abroad, she will have no interest in her husband once her goal is achieved. Is that true, do you think so?


there are divorces, court & news cases already to back that up (the latest being the old man who married an arm candy, who got later killed by her side lover ).
Do i say "all"?
No, because i don't know them all.
But many (or most) yes.


quote:So, you agree with Detective on the marriage issue? That there is no sense in staying with one partner for life, but only for as long as he or she excites you?


i never had a say about that: you're making this up. I don't believe that much in other people commitment because of my own experiences.


quote:So, yes or no on the meat question?


i already answered.
if you dislike it, too bad.
I personally don't trust women completely because they have swindled me a few times and enough is enough.


quote:So, just to summarize... when feel offended, the "unconventional lifestyle" people get upset and cry foul, while "conventional lifestyle" people swallow it and move on. Is that right?



when say a normal person is told at school they know sh!t & are idiots, they can eventually complain, but must move on. When say negroes or boat people are told so, you get havoc wrought because that is "racism" and unfair & ohh-and-aah and that calls for reparation.
I had a friend who was high school teacher in MTL and had plenty of such cases to tell.

ham
01-25-2006, 08:07 AM
quote:You seem to think that if lady is looking for a marriage abroad, she will have no interest in her husband once her goal is achieved. Is that true, do you think so?


there are divorces, court & news cases already to back that up (the latest being the old man who married an arm candy, who got later killed by her side lover ).
Do i say "all"?
No, because i don't know them all.
But many (or most) yes.


quote:So, you agree with Detective on the marriage issue? That there is no sense in staying with one partner for life, but only for as long as he or she excites you?


i never had a say about that: you're making this up. I don't believe that much in other people commitment because of my own experiences.


quote:So, yes or no on the meat question?


i already answered.
if you dislike it, too bad.
I personally don't trust women completely because they have swindled me a few times and enough is enough.


quote:So, just to summarize... when feel offended, the "unconventional lifestyle" people get upset and cry foul, while "conventional lifestyle" people swallow it and move on. Is that right?



when say a normal person is told at school they know sh!t & are idiots, they can eventually complain, but must move on. When say negroes or boat people are told so, you get havoc wrought because that is "racism" and unfair & ohh-and-aah and that calls for reparation.
I had a friend who was high school teacher in MTL and had plenty of such cases to tell.

elenag
01-27-2006, 02:17 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
there are divorces, court & news cases already to back that up (the latest being the old man who married an arm candy, who got later killed by her side lover ).
Do i say "all"?
No, because i don't know them all.
But many (or most) yes.
You said "most women in MOB pursuit do not care at all about my wonderful self".
So, is it "many" or "most"?
It"s a big difference.





quote:Originally posted by ham
i never had a say about that: you're making this up. I don't believe that much in other people commitment because of my own experiences.

Ok. My condolences. (to your bad experiences I mean)


quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:So, yes or no on the meat question?


i already answered.
if you dislike it, too bad.

No you didn't. You asked me if it hit home too much for me to handle and I can hardly see how it can be an answer to a yes or no qustion.
So, yes or no?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:So, just to summarize... when feel offended, the "unconventional lifestyle" people get upset and cry foul, while "conventional lifestyle" people swallow it and move on. Is that right?


when say a normal person is told at school they know sh!t & are idiots, they can eventually complain, but must move on.

They can "eventually complain"? Why can't they complain from the very beginning?



quote:Originally posted by ham
When say negroes or boat people are told so, you get havoc wrought because that is "racism" and unfair & ohh-and-aah and that calls for reparation.
Who are "boat people"?
So, me arguing with you that I am not a gold digger and I am not mentally disturbed, and me trying to bring my point of view on age difference across to other people is like blacks or boat people complaining about racism?

elenag
01-27-2006, 02:17 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham
there are divorces, court & news cases already to back that up (the latest being the old man who married an arm candy, who got later killed by her side lover ).
Do i say "all"?
No, because i don't know them all.
But many (or most) yes.
You said "most women in MOB pursuit do not care at all about my wonderful self".
So, is it "many" or "most"?
It"s a big difference.





quote:Originally posted by ham
i never had a say about that: you're making this up. I don't believe that much in other people commitment because of my own experiences.

Ok. My condolences. (to your bad experiences I mean)


quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:So, yes or no on the meat question?


i already answered.
if you dislike it, too bad.

No you didn't. You asked me if it hit home too much for me to handle and I can hardly see how it can be an answer to a yes or no qustion.
So, yes or no?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:So, just to summarize... when feel offended, the "unconventional lifestyle" people get upset and cry foul, while "conventional lifestyle" people swallow it and move on. Is that right?


when say a normal person is told at school they know sh!t & are idiots, they can eventually complain, but must move on.

They can "eventually complain"? Why can't they complain from the very beginning?



quote:Originally posted by ham
When say negroes or boat people are told so, you get havoc wrought because that is "racism" and unfair & ohh-and-aah and that calls for reparation.
Who are "boat people"?
So, me arguing with you that I am not a gold digger and I am not mentally disturbed, and me trying to bring my point of view on age difference across to other people is like blacks or boat people complaining about racism?

elenag
01-27-2006, 02:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

elena,
It is not even whether she exites me or not!.... it is whether my lifestyle goes along with hers... I have priorities and she also has. If they meet, we're together... if not, mmmmm.... sorry!!! Find someone more interesting than me!

Yes, it and some other factors are called compatibility I believe?


quote:Originally posted by Detective
It is my personal opinion and I think your opinion is better than mine but this doesn't mean anything. At the end, being family oriented is something great and appreciable by the society, whether north american or eastern european...
I might believe in this later on, who knows?

Well, I am glad that you at least admit that being family oriented is a good thing.

Take your time. Our army of family oriented will be waiting patiently for you if you decide to join in. :)

elenag
01-27-2006, 02:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective

elena,
It is not even whether she exites me or not!.... it is whether my lifestyle goes along with hers... I have priorities and she also has. If they meet, we're together... if not, mmmmm.... sorry!!! Find someone more interesting than me!

Yes, it and some other factors are called compatibility I believe?


quote:Originally posted by Detective
It is my personal opinion and I think your opinion is better than mine but this doesn't mean anything. At the end, being family oriented is something great and appreciable by the society, whether north american or eastern european...
I might believe in this later on, who knows?

Well, I am glad that you at least admit that being family oriented is a good thing.

Take your time. Our army of family oriented will be waiting patiently for you if you decide to join in. :)

Detective
01-27-2006, 02:59 AM
Well, y not?
My polish GF is family oriented. I might change soon... things are going so well dear...
Seeya

Detective
01-27-2006, 02:59 AM
Well, y not?
My polish GF is family oriented. I might change soon... things are going so well dear...
Seeya

elenag
01-27-2006, 03:38 AM
Hmmm. I doubt you will change that soon.
Reading your posts I would say that you have alot of things to sort out in your head.
When you first started posting, I said that you need professional help. Forgive me for bringing this up again, but I still believe so. Either that or you need a few more years to grow up. I know you probably will not like me saying that, but I hope that you will understand that I say that not to offend you but just to give you my opinion for what it is worth.

elenag
01-27-2006, 03:38 AM
Hmmm. I doubt you will change that soon.
Reading your posts I would say that you have alot of things to sort out in your head.
When you first started posting, I said that you need professional help. Forgive me for bringing this up again, but I still believe so. Either that or you need a few more years to grow up. I know you probably will not like me saying that, but I hope that you will understand that I say that not to offend you but just to give you my opinion for what it is worth.

friendly_aussie_man
01-27-2006, 09:53 AM
[:0oooh, what have we started here...no man likes being told by a woman that "he needs to grow up" or there is "something wrong with his mind"
I know when my ex-wife said it,it really got me hot under the collar and I spouted fire and brimstone!
There could be some written backlash here..stay tuned folks! :D

friendly_aussie_man
01-27-2006, 09:53 AM
[:0oooh, what have we started here...no man likes being told by a woman that "he needs to grow up" or there is "something wrong with his mind"
I know when my ex-wife said it,it really got me hot under the collar and I spouted fire and brimstone!
There could be some written backlash here..stay tuned folks! :D

Detective
01-27-2006, 10:44 AM
:D,
I don't remember I asked your opinion...
By the way, what is your educational background if I may ask dear?? I don't understand how you give yourself permission to judge people.. and the professional help you r talking about have a lower degree than I do dear... If u know my job (I am sure u can imagine from the salary) then u won't even think of talking to me like that.... Seeya

Detective
01-27-2006, 10:44 AM
:D,
I don't remember I asked your opinion...
By the way, what is your educational background if I may ask dear?? I don't understand how you give yourself permission to judge people.. and the professional help you r talking about have a lower degree than I do dear... If u know my job (I am sure u can imagine from the salary) then u won't even think of talking to me like that.... Seeya

ham
01-27-2006, 12:48 PM
quote:
They can "eventually complain"? Why can't they complain from the very beginning?




because when i used to do so in high school they would tell me to take a hike.


quote:So, is it "many" or "most"?
It"s a big difference.


that depends entirely on the intended. In my case i can say "most"; others may just mean "many". However there is no question about the fact one's wonderful self matters least when it comes to MOB things, in a majority of cases.


quote:Ok. My condolences. (to your bad experiences I mean)


send me an even number of flowers.


quote:Reading your posts I would say that you have alot of things to sort out in your head.


why would you care?
there are people into different lifestyles...obviously they have to mutually agree.
only because someone wants or doesn't want to get married or else, it doesn't mean they're insane.


quote:and the professional help you r talking about have a lower degree than I do dear... If u know my job (I am sure u can imagine from the salary) then u won't even think of talking to me like that.... Seeya

no, please no...not sixfigures tax free again...

ham
01-27-2006, 12:48 PM
quote:
They can "eventually complain"? Why can't they complain from the very beginning?




because when i used to do so in high school they would tell me to take a hike.


quote:So, is it "many" or "most"?
It"s a big difference.


that depends entirely on the intended. In my case i can say "most"; others may just mean "many". However there is no question about the fact one's wonderful self matters least when it comes to MOB things, in a majority of cases.


quote:Ok. My condolences. (to your bad experiences I mean)


send me an even number of flowers.


quote:Reading your posts I would say that you have alot of things to sort out in your head.


why would you care?
there are people into different lifestyles...obviously they have to mutually agree.
only because someone wants or doesn't want to get married or else, it doesn't mean they're insane.


quote:and the professional help you r talking about have a lower degree than I do dear... If u know my job (I am sure u can imagine from the salary) then u won't even think of talking to me like that.... Seeya

no, please no...not sixfigures tax free again...

elenag
01-28-2006, 01:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by friendly_aussie_man
0oooh, what have we started here...no man likes being told by a woman that "he needs to grow up" or there is "something wrong with his mind"
Yes Aussie, I am quite aware that things like that rarely go over well. But it is still my opinion and you know me, I speak my mind...


quote:Originally posted by friendly_aussie_man
There could be some written backlash here..:D

I am sure there will be. But hopefully we will live through this.

elenag
01-28-2006, 01:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by friendly_aussie_man
0oooh, what have we started here...no man likes being told by a woman that "he needs to grow up" or there is "something wrong with his mind"
Yes Aussie, I am quite aware that things like that rarely go over well. But it is still my opinion and you know me, I speak my mind...


quote:Originally posted by friendly_aussie_man
There could be some written backlash here..:D

I am sure there will be. But hopefully we will live through this.

Detective
01-28-2006, 01:33 AM
Elena,
If I may ask, what is your educational background?? What do u really do for living...

Detective
01-28-2006, 01:33 AM
Elena,
If I may ask, what is your educational background?? What do u really do for living...

elenag
01-28-2006, 01:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective
I don't remember I asked your opinion...

No, you didn't, you are completely right.



quote:Originally posted by DetectiveBy the way, what is your educational background if I may ask dear?? I don't understand how you give yourself permission to judge people..

To answer your question: I finished high school, that's all for now... My parent's financial difficulties prevented me from continuing my studies.

I do not initended my comment to be judgementall.



quote:Originally posted by Detectiveand the professional help you r talking about have a lower degree than I do dear...
Do you have a degree in phychology?


quote:Originally posted by DetectiveIf u know my job (I am sure u can imagine from the salary) then u won't even think of talking to me like that....

No I do not know what your job is. Unless you warn people beforehand, you can't expect them to know how to talk (or not to talk to you).
I do understand you being not happy with what I said though. I, once again, apologize for saying it to your face but I felt like saying that may do more good than damage in the end.

elenag
01-28-2006, 01:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective
I don't remember I asked your opinion...

No, you didn't, you are completely right.



quote:Originally posted by DetectiveBy the way, what is your educational background if I may ask dear?? I don't understand how you give yourself permission to judge people..

To answer your question: I finished high school, that's all for now... My parent's financial difficulties prevented me from continuing my studies.

I do not initended my comment to be judgementall.



quote:Originally posted by Detectiveand the professional help you r talking about have a lower degree than I do dear...
Do you have a degree in phychology?


quote:Originally posted by DetectiveIf u know my job (I am sure u can imagine from the salary) then u won't even think of talking to me like that....

No I do not know what your job is. Unless you warn people beforehand, you can't expect them to know how to talk (or not to talk to you).
I do understand you being not happy with what I said though. I, once again, apologize for saying it to your face but I felt like saying that may do more good than damage in the end.

Detective
01-28-2006, 01:52 AM
My dear,
Psychology is something very interesting but I am not a psychologist. Although during my studies I had some psychiatric courses that really helped a lot and I think you should read a bit about psychology and psychiatry... Whatever my job is doesn't really matter... I believe that life teaches us more than what's written in books and unfortunately sometimes people like you did not proceed because of financial problem or social problem more than anything else. However, you should know sweetheart that throwing words here and there might sometimes do harm more than good... Personally, nothing would really affect me coz I know who I am but sometimes your words might hurt someone who lacks self confidence. I suggest you weigh the risk/benefit ratio when u start a conversation.
Last but not least, I am here for one and only reason... to waste my time... and do not expect me (or anybuddy else) to behave the way we usually behave when we are in a professional meeting or university conferences...
Good nite

Detective
01-28-2006, 01:52 AM
My dear,
Psychology is something very interesting but I am not a psychologist. Although during my studies I had some psychiatric courses that really helped a lot and I think you should read a bit about psychology and psychiatry... Whatever my job is doesn't really matter... I believe that life teaches us more than what's written in books and unfortunately sometimes people like you did not proceed because of financial problem or social problem more than anything else. However, you should know sweetheart that throwing words here and there might sometimes do harm more than good... Personally, nothing would really affect me coz I know who I am but sometimes your words might hurt someone who lacks self confidence. I suggest you weigh the risk/benefit ratio when u start a conversation.
Last but not least, I am here for one and only reason... to waste my time... and do not expect me (or anybuddy else) to behave the way we usually behave when we are in a professional meeting or university conferences...
Good nite

elenag
01-28-2006, 02:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:
They can "eventually complain"? Why can't they complain from the very beginning?

because when i used to do so in high school they would tell me to take a hike.

I see. I didn't realize that was the attitude here in the states. In Russia things like that are handled very differently (at least from where I am from which is a central region of Russia - I cannot speak for the entire country).

Ok, let me ask a different question, then.
Imagine this:
I guy comes up to you in the school hall and starts saying that you are, for example, a pile of this and that, that you are the biggest looser, or that your brother is an ugly sucker and he will make sure he never comes to the school again, or that your family is a "trailor trash" and you need to go to where you came from (not that any of those things are true, but imagine that this is happening). What is your reaction? Stay in the limits of this scenarion for a second for me, ok?
So, what do you do? (don't go into any other direction for a second, though I know you will be tempeted).




quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:So, is it "many" or "most"?
It"s a big difference.


that depends entirely on the intended. In my case i can say "most"; others may just mean "many". However there is no question about the fact one's wonderful self matters least when it comes to MOB things, in a majority of cases.

As least that has been your impression from your experience, right?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Ok. My condolences. (to your bad experiences I mean)


send me an even number of flowers.

sure, tell me where.
Do you prefer yellow or black roses?



quote:Originally posted by ham
why would you care?
there are people into different lifestyles...obviously they have to mutually agree.
only because someone wants or doesn't want to get married or else, it doesn't mean they're insane.
wow-wow-wow.... slow down for a second! what?
i never said he is insane. i said he needs professional help. I hope you realize that not all people who use or could use a councelor are insane?

no, his views on marriage had nothing to do with it. I have said the same thing about him several months ago before any of this marriage conversation ever happened.

Observing Detective's behavior for over some period of time made me come to this opinion (which is my personal opinion I might add. I do not claim that my opinion is true and correct). It is kind of a long story.. here, here are the links to some of our previous conversations, judge for yourself whether or not you agree with me...

http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=414
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=438
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=427
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=463
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=490

PS. What about the meat question? I looked three times I didn;'t see an answer in your post. Please point it out to me if I missed it again.

elenag
01-28-2006, 02:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote:
They can "eventually complain"? Why can't they complain from the very beginning?

because when i used to do so in high school they would tell me to take a hike.

I see. I didn't realize that was the attitude here in the states. In Russia things like that are handled very differently (at least from where I am from which is a central region of Russia - I cannot speak for the entire country).

Ok, let me ask a different question, then.
Imagine this:
I guy comes up to you in the school hall and starts saying that you are, for example, a pile of this and that, that you are the biggest looser, or that your brother is an ugly sucker and he will make sure he never comes to the school again, or that your family is a "trailor trash" and you need to go to where you came from (not that any of those things are true, but imagine that this is happening). What is your reaction? Stay in the limits of this scenarion for a second for me, ok?
So, what do you do? (don't go into any other direction for a second, though I know you will be tempeted).




quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:So, is it "many" or "most"?
It"s a big difference.


that depends entirely on the intended. In my case i can say "most"; others may just mean "many". However there is no question about the fact one's wonderful self matters least when it comes to MOB things, in a majority of cases.

As least that has been your impression from your experience, right?



quote:Originally posted by ham

quote:Ok. My condolences. (to your bad experiences I mean)


send me an even number of flowers.

sure, tell me where.
Do you prefer yellow or black roses?



quote:Originally posted by ham
why would you care?
there are people into different lifestyles...obviously they have to mutually agree.
only because someone wants or doesn't want to get married or else, it doesn't mean they're insane.
wow-wow-wow.... slow down for a second! what?
i never said he is insane. i said he needs professional help. I hope you realize that not all people who use or could use a councelor are insane?

no, his views on marriage had nothing to do with it. I have said the same thing about him several months ago before any of this marriage conversation ever happened.

Observing Detective's behavior for over some period of time made me come to this opinion (which is my personal opinion I might add. I do not claim that my opinion is true and correct). It is kind of a long story.. here, here are the links to some of our previous conversations, judge for yourself whether or not you agree with me...

http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=414
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=438
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=427
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=463
http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=490

PS. What about the meat question? I looked three times I didn;'t see an answer in your post. Please point it out to me if I missed it again.

elenag
01-28-2006, 02:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective
However, you should know sweetheart that throwing words here and there might sometimes do harm more than good...
I did not throw those words around. For a period of several months I have been thinking on that subject and trying to decide whether it would be better to say it or to keep my mouth shut and mind my own business. In the end I aleady said that I decided that eventually it can do more good than harm.


quote:Originally posted by DetectivePersonally, nothing would really affect me coz I know who I am but sometimes your words might hurt someone who lacks self confidence.

alot of things that happen to us or what others say to us hurt us, regardless of level of confirence. our own job is to look at them, consider them, see if they are good or bad for us and either accept them or reject them. at least that is my opinion.

someone may say I not not good looking. Or for example that I have a bad breath (not that I do, or at least I hope not, but that's an example). It hurts. I nevertheless consider the suggestion. If I find that it is true, I either accept it (for example, i can't change the way I look all that much), or act upon it (go brush my teeth). if someone says that I am a gold digger because I married an older guy from another country, it hirts me too. I nevertheless consider the suggestion. after analizing what I know about my relations with my hubby I say that it is more likely not to be true than it is to be true. therefore I dismiss the suggestion.

now only you know the whole entire truth about yourself. i and everyone else is looking from the outside in. if you say that it is not true and I am wrong, then so be it.

i said that i thought. you say what you think. in the end, only what you think about yourself matters.

elenag
01-28-2006, 02:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Detective
However, you should know sweetheart that throwing words here and there might sometimes do harm more than good...
I did not throw those words around. For a period of several months I have been thinking on that subject and trying to decide whether it would be better to say it or to keep my mouth shut and mind my own business. In the end I aleady said that I decided that eventually it can do more good than harm.


quote:Originally posted by DetectivePersonally, nothing would really affect me coz I know who I am but sometimes your words might hurt someone who lacks self confidence.

alot of things that happen to us or what others say to us hurt us, regardless of level of confirence. our own job is to look at them, consider them, see if they are good or bad for us and either accept them or reject them. at least that is my opinion.

someone may say I not not good looking. Or for example that I have a bad breath (not that I do, or at least I hope not, but that's an example). It hurts. I nevertheless consider the suggestion. If I find that it is true, I either accept it (for example, i can't change the way I look all that much), or act upon it (go brush my teeth). if someone says that I am a gold digger because I married an older guy from another country, it hirts me too. I nevertheless consider the suggestion. after analizing what I know about my relations with my hubby I say that it is more likely not to be true than it is to be true. therefore I dismiss the suggestion.

now only you know the whole entire truth about yourself. i and everyone else is looking from the outside in. if you say that it is not true and I am wrong, then so be it.

i said that i thought. you say what you think. in the end, only what you think about yourself matters.

Detective
01-28-2006, 04:02 AM
Elenag,
I have no intention to discuss any issue with you ... I think u do not meet the basic criteria so I am kindly asking u not to say anything about me before taking permission. I just don't understand how people ask u advice.... But then I say to myself what kind of people are they who still believe in MOB??? isn't there more interesting things in life other than criticising others or ordering a bride from russia??? this is really ridiculous and I sometimes feel we are still in the 14th century.... Jeeeeezzzzz

Detective
01-28-2006, 04:02 AM
Elenag,
I have no intention to discuss any issue with you ... I think u do not meet the basic criteria so I am kindly asking u not to say anything about me before taking permission. I just don't understand how people ask u advice.... But then I say to myself what kind of people are they who still believe in MOB??? isn't there more interesting things in life other than criticising others or ordering a bride from russia??? this is really ridiculous and I sometimes feel we are still in the 14th century.... Jeeeeezzzzz

elenag
01-28-2006, 04:27 AM
Detective,

You ask me not to discuss anything about you without your permission?

Hmmm.

What does the board think? Should I compy with Mr. Detective's request?

elenag
01-28-2006, 04:27 AM
Detective,

You ask me not to discuss anything about you without your permission?

Hmmm.

What does the board think? Should I compy with Mr. Detective's request?

Detective
01-28-2006, 04:31 AM
Honestly, it's a waste of time.... I didn't ever think that I will be involved in a ridiculous situation like this ... Anyways, it is my mistake and noone else's... It's always my mistake coz I learned not to blame anybuddy else.

Detective
01-28-2006, 04:31 AM
Honestly, it's a waste of time.... I didn't ever think that I will be involved in a ridiculous situation like this ... Anyways, it is my mistake and noone else's... It's always my mistake coz I learned not to blame anybuddy else.

elenag
01-28-2006, 04:43 AM
ok...

I guess the gag order is off then?

elenag
01-28-2006, 04:43 AM
ok...

I guess the gag order is off then?

Detective
01-28-2006, 04:50 AM
Before I go to bed, I hope I didn't hurt you but seriously u shouldn't judge or assume anything..... the professional advice u wanted me to see are trained with me... I train those guys... Anyways, It is very hard for anyone (including me) to believe in what circumstances I am being involved... And this is my last posting here.

Detective
01-28-2006, 04:50 AM
Before I go to bed, I hope I didn't hurt you but seriously u shouldn't judge or assume anything..... the professional advice u wanted me to see are trained with me... I train those guys... Anyways, It is very hard for anyone (including me) to believe in what circumstances I am being involved... And this is my last posting here.

elenag
01-28-2006, 04:56 AM
I am sorry to hear that. Well, I guess we didn't live through it...

I hope that you nevertheless have a very good night, Detective.

elenag
01-28-2006, 04:56 AM
I am sorry to hear that. Well, I guess we didn't live through it...

I hope that you nevertheless have a very good night, Detective.

ham
01-28-2006, 08:03 AM
quote:I guy comes up to you in the school hall and starts saying that you are, for example, a pile of this and that, that you are the biggest looser, or that your brother is an ugly sucker and he will make sure he never comes to the school again, or that your family is a "trailor trash" and you need to go to where you came from (not that any of those things are true, but imagine that this is happening). What is your reaction? Stay in the limits of this scenarion for a second for me, ok?


????????

that was not the example i gave. I said that you complain like minority people do, who cannot stand contradiction, reprimand or judgement and cry foul because there is a "racist" or else conspiracy in action, and everybody shall listen with teary eyes while "relating" to their plight.
your example is irrelevant because if you tell an irish he's a pile of sh!t, he'll most likely react like an african would.
but again i wasn't talking about brawls or dog fights.


quote:
As least that has been your impression from your experience, right?




and thousands of reports on antiscam sites.


quote:i never said he is insane. i said he needs professional help. I hope you realize that not all people who use or could use a councelor are insane?


why would he visit an headshrinker?


quote:I have no intention to discuss any issue with you ... I think u do not meet the basic criteria so I am kindly asking u not to say anything about me before taking permission

that seems a bit aloof & excessive.
Her opinion is just an opinion like everybody else's.
Of course she has double standards because -when it serves her purpose- she tells others to visit an head shrinker (under the neutral definition of "counselling" ); if the same were told to her, she would be puzzled, but that is part of the game.


quote:Anyways, It is very hard for anyone (including me) to believe in what circumstances I am being involved

and where did this all start from?
you go out and relate to whomever you please and of course the little details you provided are definitely not enough for any kind of assessment; not to mention that's your sole business.

ham
01-28-2006, 08:03 AM
quote:I guy comes up to you in the school hall and starts saying that you are, for example, a pile of this and that, that you are the biggest looser, or that your brother is an ugly sucker and he will make sure he never comes to the school again, or that your family is a "trailor trash" and you need to go to where you came from (not that any of those things are true, but imagine that this is happening). What is your reaction? Stay in the limits of this scenarion for a second for me, ok?


????????

that was not the example i gave. I said that you complain like minority people do, who cannot stand contradiction, reprimand or judgement and cry foul because there is a "racist" or else conspiracy in action, and everybody shall listen with teary eyes while "relating" to their plight.
your example is irrelevant because if you tell an irish he's a pile of sh!t, he'll most likely react like an african would.
but again i wasn't talking about brawls or dog fights.


quote:
As least that has been your impression from your experience, right?




and thousands of reports on antiscam sites.


quote:i never said he is insane. i said he needs professional help. I hope you realize that not all people who use or could use a councelor are insane?


why would he visit an headshrinker?


quote:I have no intention to discuss any issue with you ... I think u do not meet the basic criteria so I am kindly asking u not to say anything about me before taking permission

that seems a bit aloof & excessive.
Her opinion is just an opinion like everybody else's.
Of course she has double standards because -when it serves her purpose- she tells others to visit an head shrinker (under the neutral definition of "counselling" ); if the same were told to her, she would be puzzled, but that is part of the game.


quote:Anyways, It is very hard for anyone (including me) to believe in what circumstances I am being involved

and where did this all start from?
you go out and relate to whomever you please and of course the little details you provided are definitely not enough for any kind of assessment; not to mention that's your sole business.