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voyager
03-16-2006, 08:03 PM
Stupid stupid people listen. Forget about translation services.

Most Russian / Ukrainian / Belarussian / Eastern European young people speak / read some degree of English. It is taught in all the schools.

If she's worth her salt she is studying English.

There is no need to pay for any translation service of any kind whatsoever. It's just an agency scam to get you to pay for translation / correspondence fees.

They are all scammers until proven innocent.

toymaker
03-17-2006, 12:13 AM
Voyager......I can see you are from Canada ...but where from originally? by the way you are stating these things about translation fees....Well I pay for the translation fees for my correspondence with the lady of MY chosing. She makes just over 295 Canadian dollars a month. She pays for English lessons,( after she started writing to me), has a 18 year old son in university, supports two aging parents, and had an expensive phoneline run into her house at quite a large cost so we can talk on the phone, she by the way is getting more confident with the second language , and I wished to help with this cost for the present.(my choice) We plan on making the move to write through the normal mail in a combination of English and Russian as I am attempting to learn a little Russian also. The agencies should not be grouped together and dumped on as a pile. Rather let the person determine if the relationship that may or may not develope into a lasting association. Translation fees are usually about 30-40 USD a month and you can send unlimited letters and photos. This is cheaper than the $1000 that is asked for when Visas to travel are asked for. The agency I am dealing with , now has a web camera set up and I can view my LADY in person and talk at the same time. (the cost covered by my translation fees) Much better than still pictures and you can see a real person.Maybe you got taken ....but maybe try my agency and see the difference honesty makes.Find a lady of your own choosing and write her first, do not search for the scammer that writes to you first , giving you something to do by searching every nook and cranny to find fault. i personally do not regret one penny spent on translations etc. for this lady I write, a learning experience to say the least.

toymaker
03-17-2006, 12:13 AM
Voyager......I can see you are from Canada ...but where from originally? by the way you are stating these things about translation fees....Well I pay for the translation fees for my correspondence with the lady of MY chosing. She makes just over 295 Canadian dollars a month. She pays for English lessons,( after she started writing to me), has a 18 year old son in university, supports two aging parents, and had an expensive phoneline run into her house at quite a large cost so we can talk on the phone, she by the way is getting more confident with the second language , and I wished to help with this cost for the present.(my choice) We plan on making the move to write through the normal mail in a combination of English and Russian as I am attempting to learn a little Russian also. The agencies should not be grouped together and dumped on as a pile. Rather let the person determine if the relationship that may or may not develope into a lasting association. Translation fees are usually about 30-40 USD a month and you can send unlimited letters and photos. This is cheaper than the $1000 that is asked for when Visas to travel are asked for. The agency I am dealing with , now has a web camera set up and I can view my LADY in person and talk at the same time. (the cost covered by my translation fees) Much better than still pictures and you can see a real person.Maybe you got taken ....but maybe try my agency and see the difference honesty makes.Find a lady of your own choosing and write her first, do not search for the scammer that writes to you first , giving you something to do by searching every nook and cranny to find fault. i personally do not regret one penny spent on translations etc. for this lady I write, a learning experience to say the least.

Detective
03-17-2006, 01:14 AM
What!
Learning Russian?!?! Why?!?! Aren't there enuf peopa in canada who can speak english????????
I don't get it!?!
Voyager, I don't think your info is true... Most of the Ukranians and eastern europeans DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.
Screw the agencies, screw the russians and screw women all over the world.... Take advantage of them before they take advantage of you..
Seeya

Detective
03-17-2006, 01:14 AM
What!
Learning Russian?!?! Why?!?! Aren't there enuf peopa in canada who can speak english????????
I don't get it!?!
Voyager, I don't think your info is true... Most of the Ukranians and eastern europeans DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.
Screw the agencies, screw the russians and screw women all over the world.... Take advantage of them before they take advantage of you..
Seeya

toymaker
03-17-2006, 03:51 AM
Detective..... Yes there are lots of people in Canada that speak English and a hell of a lot that speak French too. That does not mean the heritages of us all spoke English upon arrival to canada. I think it is just great that I can learn another language on my own than having a second language stuffed down my throat by our government throughout my school days. I speak nor write this language but am finding it pleasant to be able to converse with another person in their language. Quite often I see some semblance of English portrayed in a totally frivilous manner and spelling is atrocious. There are other ways to draw attention to yourself than make fun of your adoptive country and her language.

toymaker
03-17-2006, 03:51 AM
Detective..... Yes there are lots of people in Canada that speak English and a hell of a lot that speak French too. That does not mean the heritages of us all spoke English upon arrival to canada. I think it is just great that I can learn another language on my own than having a second language stuffed down my throat by our government throughout my school days. I speak nor write this language but am finding it pleasant to be able to converse with another person in their language. Quite often I see some semblance of English portrayed in a totally frivilous manner and spelling is atrocious. There are other ways to draw attention to yourself than make fun of your adoptive country and her language.

Detective
03-17-2006, 11:27 AM
Toymaker,
25% of canadians are french canadians. Our official languages are FRENCH AND ENGLISH whether we like it or not. U said our government stuffed French down your throat....what wud ya say about the russians who stuffed there language (AND ELIMINATED THE UKRANIAN LANGUAGE).. If u visit Ukraine, u will notice they only speak russian. There food is russian as well..
It is always an advantage to learn and educate ourselves... I was not trying to draw attention at all coz to me u are just few lines on my computer screen but I hear this most of the time... We, men, look for russians and are ready to learn there language and what's in return??? Scamming Scamming and Scamming...
I understand your woman has a son 18 years old.... I believe she is in her thirties or fourties..... She is desperate now and looking for life in North America... and you are probably willing to bring her to canada.... well, good luck my friend but let me tell ya she might be fooling you.... Always keep that in mind, I am sure u know that anyways....
Be Careful..... FRENCH is not comparable to Russians in CANADA....

Detective
03-17-2006, 11:27 AM
Toymaker,
25% of canadians are french canadians. Our official languages are FRENCH AND ENGLISH whether we like it or not. U said our government stuffed French down your throat....what wud ya say about the russians who stuffed there language (AND ELIMINATED THE UKRANIAN LANGUAGE).. If u visit Ukraine, u will notice they only speak russian. There food is russian as well..
It is always an advantage to learn and educate ourselves... I was not trying to draw attention at all coz to me u are just few lines on my computer screen but I hear this most of the time... We, men, look for russians and are ready to learn there language and what's in return??? Scamming Scamming and Scamming...
I understand your woman has a son 18 years old.... I believe she is in her thirties or fourties..... She is desperate now and looking for life in North America... and you are probably willing to bring her to canada.... well, good luck my friend but let me tell ya she might be fooling you.... Always keep that in mind, I am sure u know that anyways....
Be Careful..... FRENCH is not comparable to Russians in CANADA....

ham
03-18-2006, 07:50 AM
please don't start feuds.
everybody will do as they see fit.
again, i think very few FSUWs have a passable understanding & command of any foreign language.
Sure, they may have learnt it in school, but that's far from being fluent enough to handle relationship matters purposefully.
That's why -like it or not- there is so much translation business around.

ham
03-18-2006, 07:50 AM
please don't start feuds.
everybody will do as they see fit.
again, i think very few FSUWs have a passable understanding & command of any foreign language.
Sure, they may have learnt it in school, but that's far from being fluent enough to handle relationship matters purposefully.
That's why -like it or not- there is so much translation business around.

toymaker
03-19-2006, 06:18 AM
Thanx Ham....could not have said it better. I am not coming down on anyone at all. I was taken by a "lady" from the Philipines and had an attempt from the Ukraine. The one I talk to in Russia has corresponded with me for over a year. Exchanged many photos of her Christmas and home pictures. I have seen her on an agency webcam, talked to her on the phone many times. Just because I wish to learn a little Russian language...Well I tried the Asian Language, attempted the Ukranian....but am most prevolent in Cree. I know that a large number of Canadians are of French decent, but again a lot of these are not "frenchmen" but rather people who settled in, For instance Quebec, but came from a foreign country and adopted this lands language. It is never a bad thing to learn a second language no matter what it is. I want to learn Russian and felt condemned because they are all classed as "scammers". Each to their own opinion, but I married Canadian and lost it all to a scamming "lady" from here. Even home based "ladies " can "get it all".

toymaker
03-19-2006, 06:18 AM
Thanx Ham....could not have said it better. I am not coming down on anyone at all. I was taken by a "lady" from the Philipines and had an attempt from the Ukraine. The one I talk to in Russia has corresponded with me for over a year. Exchanged many photos of her Christmas and home pictures. I have seen her on an agency webcam, talked to her on the phone many times. Just because I wish to learn a little Russian language...Well I tried the Asian Language, attempted the Ukranian....but am most prevolent in Cree. I know that a large number of Canadians are of French decent, but again a lot of these are not "frenchmen" but rather people who settled in, For instance Quebec, but came from a foreign country and adopted this lands language. It is never a bad thing to learn a second language no matter what it is. I want to learn Russian and felt condemned because they are all classed as "scammers". Each to their own opinion, but I married Canadian and lost it all to a scamming "lady" from here. Even home based "ladies " can "get it all".

ham
03-19-2006, 09:39 AM
i am trying to learn russian because i am looking into the relocation option (when-if ever).
i think that the greatest chances lies with everyday laypeople, not the worn out, jaded, restricted WWW/LD (=MOB) community of women ( barred men hiding behind stolen pictures & outright scammers ) who often make a "profession" out of "marriage minded correspondence".
As well, women fluent in a foreign language ( i mean in the true sense ) have probably been around so many foreigners and -i must add- get laid with many of them...you know.
So in the end you'll have someone who has exchanged bodily fluids with a row of Igor & Oleg, plus another row of Barney, Pedro...
That is another restricted category one ought to better steer clear of.
I have a friend who is not wealthy, not good looking, whatever.
He took a tour to Ukraine; with the women he had corresponded there was no click and he said he ended up in bed with the interpreters.
Both professional daters AND the "interpreter" kind of category highly remind me of those deluded broads you meet at the local pub scene.

Everyday laypeople are the best option.
to do that you have to know the language and you have to be interested in the cultural thing as well.

ham
03-19-2006, 09:39 AM
i am trying to learn russian because i am looking into the relocation option (when-if ever).
i think that the greatest chances lies with everyday laypeople, not the worn out, jaded, restricted WWW/LD (=MOB) community of women ( barred men hiding behind stolen pictures & outright scammers ) who often make a "profession" out of "marriage minded correspondence".
As well, women fluent in a foreign language ( i mean in the true sense ) have probably been around so many foreigners and -i must add- get laid with many of them...you know.
So in the end you'll have someone who has exchanged bodily fluids with a row of Igor & Oleg, plus another row of Barney, Pedro...
That is another restricted category one ought to better steer clear of.
I have a friend who is not wealthy, not good looking, whatever.
He took a tour to Ukraine; with the women he had corresponded there was no click and he said he ended up in bed with the interpreters.
Both professional daters AND the "interpreter" kind of category highly remind me of those deluded broads you meet at the local pub scene.

Everyday laypeople are the best option.
to do that you have to know the language and you have to be interested in the cultural thing as well.

Detective
03-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Hey boys,
I appreciate your intention to learn a new language (Russian) and/or relocate... But does it worth it to spend so much time to learn a language which I believe is difficult with the limited free time you have???
Do u wanna go to russia and live there???? Jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz, the russians are moving out of the country...
Do u wanna learn there language, marry one of them who doesn't speak english!!!! This is absolutely strange.... Ham, I don't believe that u want to do that and u lived in north america...
Whatever guys, everybuddy has different opinion and maybe I am wrong..

Detective
03-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Hey boys,
I appreciate your intention to learn a new language (Russian) and/or relocate... But does it worth it to spend so much time to learn a language which I believe is difficult with the limited free time you have???
Do u wanna go to russia and live there???? Jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz, the russians are moving out of the country...
Do u wanna learn there language, marry one of them who doesn't speak english!!!! This is absolutely strange.... Ham, I don't believe that u want to do that and u lived in north america...
Whatever guys, everybuddy has different opinion and maybe I am wrong..

ham
03-19-2006, 05:39 PM
learning a language spans over many years.
i don't think "crash course learning" is possible (unless all you want is to order a meal or ask for directions ).
Well, streams of people are moving out of Mexico as well; nevertheless many affluent people still go & live there...it all depends...be a bum & life will be tough no matter where you are.
In my case it makes no difference whether she speaks english or not...my native language is not english; i know french, german, english and i'm learning russian.
I think it is an investment.
I'm interested in cultural matters as well, but i think i'm just guarding my back.
I never trust completely whatever i'm told.
By hearing women in their language, you improve your chances to detect liars, scammers etc tenfold, instead of relying upon canned paragraphs and milled emotions she has only a remote idea of.
To give an example, there are at least 4 ways in german to convey A=B (sei, sein sollte, waere, ist ).
Now a non- or superficially trained foreigner will not understand the difference ( which goes from " i heard A=B " to "A=B" to "supposedly A=B" to "A=B? not true " ) and if you rely upon such third hand meaning, you'll never know.
Fact is, complicate language structure rarely translates exactly ( EG ob in german perfectly means whether in english ).
A relationship ( irrespective of any debate over marriage, women etc ) cannot be handled like buying a kilo of chips.

ham
03-19-2006, 05:39 PM
learning a language spans over many years.
i don't think "crash course learning" is possible (unless all you want is to order a meal or ask for directions ).
Well, streams of people are moving out of Mexico as well; nevertheless many affluent people still go & live there...it all depends...be a bum & life will be tough no matter where you are.
In my case it makes no difference whether she speaks english or not...my native language is not english; i know french, german, english and i'm learning russian.
I think it is an investment.
I'm interested in cultural matters as well, but i think i'm just guarding my back.
I never trust completely whatever i'm told.
By hearing women in their language, you improve your chances to detect liars, scammers etc tenfold, instead of relying upon canned paragraphs and milled emotions she has only a remote idea of.
To give an example, there are at least 4 ways in german to convey A=B (sei, sein sollte, waere, ist ).
Now a non- or superficially trained foreigner will not understand the difference ( which goes from " i heard A=B " to "A=B" to "supposedly A=B" to "A=B? not true " ) and if you rely upon such third hand meaning, you'll never know.
Fact is, complicate language structure rarely translates exactly ( EG ob in german perfectly means whether in english ).
A relationship ( irrespective of any debate over marriage, women etc ) cannot be handled like buying a kilo of chips.

Michael
09-23-2006, 02:01 PM
Toymaker, I am new here, but you did not finish your account on learning the asian language (and what is it called? Just curious) and what of your relationship if anything with the Filipina. You left your account on this dangling....so what happend? What happend to the Ukranian you were corresponding with[?] or have I misread?