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sea61955
09-12-2006, 10:58 AM
I have met several russian women.
I have met them outside Russia.
They had no problems going to local
travel agency and buy tourist travel
tickets to any european country.
I met them in Denmark, Austria and
Poland. They were all equipped with
newest digital cameras, photo cell
phones and travelled on international
tours several times a year. So, yes
the poor women exist, but it is not
always the case.
I need to know, if others can confirm that
russian and ukrainian women can go on
tourist travels, and also, through which
travel agencies. I am now in need of
trustable travel agencies in Nikolaev
or other city in Ukraine. I saw on
major ukrainian travel site that bus and
train tours to for instance Berlin should
exist.
Sven Denmark

ham
09-12-2006, 02:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by sea61955

I have met several russian women.
I have met them outside Russia.
They had no problems going to local
travel agency and buy tourist travel
tickets to any european country.
I met them in Denmark, Austria and
Poland. They were all equipped with
newest digital cameras, photo cell
phones and travelled on international
tours several times a year. So, yes
the poor women exist, but it is not
always the case.
I need to know, if others can confirm that
russian and ukrainian women can go on
tourist travels, and also, through which
travel agencies. I am now in need of
trustable travel agencies in Nikolaev
or other city in Ukraine. I saw on
major ukrainian travel site that bus and
train tours to for instance Berlin should
exist.
Sven Denmark


In the FSU there is a thin yet growing layer of "new russians" and (as with any country, EG China, Thailand etc ) there [u]are</u> "rich" people.
What matter to men going the MOB route is that these "rich" women are highly unlikely to go the MOB route.
A self-assured woman with an upscale job and means to travel abroad will not die to meet some (probably) middle-aged and divorced westerner. I don't think they consider the MOB option at all.

1. Are there "rich" women who can travel abroad? YES.
2. Can they travel abroad? YES, with adequate $ resources.
3. Do many qualify? NO.
4. So can we meet such women on MOB dating sites? HIGHLY UNLIKELY.[u]</u>

It's the same about men: going the MOB route, can you meet some ladies' strip bar male hunk in his early 30's, making six figures net income as a neurosurgeon? I doubt so, in spite of what many posters on such forums may want you to believe.

sea61955
09-12-2006, 02:58 PM
Thanks for your reply.
Please start by telling me, what MOB means.
Generally, I think that what is going on in the anti-
scammer society is too black and white, too biased.
Then, I must tell you that I cant share your experience.
Two of the women I met were not rich in any way. They
just had reasonable jobs. One was salesman, the other
was engineer. Nothing special. But they had modern cell
and camera, good clothes, well make-up. They travelled
both frequently around in different countries.
The age difference between them and me was big,
they were willing to start new life and relocate,
but it was me that did not believe, it was the right choice
for me. It was clear to me that these women from outside
were not so much different from western women with regard
to way of life and in materialistic terms. The difference
seems to lie in different approach to life. These women feel
deeper and more for the man. European women have strict rules
for they want and not want, so the selection is narrow, but
within this selection, they dont really care. They select super-
ficious and dont do it for all life. Opposite the russian and ukrainian women are more open to love and when they make the choice, it is for one and it is for life. I try to find out about russian and ukrainian women in this dating universe.
My experience is that the scam view on these women are correct for some, but not for all. And if you only move in the circles of
scam view, you will never meet the new and modern type of these women.
And with regard to scamming, I think that you have to be careful, but I think it cant be avoided, as many scammers are incredibly good. You must calculate some loss that you can accept down the line, if you wish to find the real and big love. This is at least my experience.
Sven Denmark

ham
09-13-2006, 05:44 PM
http://www.geocities.com/a280872/FSUWs-income-UA.html

The average monthly salary according to some credible sources is $198 for Russia/ $103 for Ukraine.
How frequently would anyone afford travelling on those salaries?
As i said, there [u]ARE</u>people who travel, but they are a paper-thin minority for obvious reasons.

MOB=Mail Order Bride


quote: The difference
seems to lie in different approach to life. These women feel
deeper and more for the man. European women have strict rules
for they want and not want, so the selection is narrow, but
within this selection, they dont really care. They select super-
ficious and dont do it for all life.

women are women; from another country, not another planet.

Divorce rates?
FSU & western divorce rates roughly compare (see link).
UA divorce rate sky rocketed to 71% in 2000 ( +80% compared to 1990).
This shows UA women very well are as "materialistic" or as influenced by economic trends than WWs.

US divorce rate:



quote:http://www.divorceandkids.com/divor...%20Statis tics

http://www.divorcemagazine.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

Quote:
:3. PROJECTION/PREDICTION. This is the Census Bureau's often-cited "50%" rate, the proportion of marriages taking place right now that will eventually divorce, which has since been revised downward to roughly 43% by the National Center for Health Statistics but was moved back up to around 50% by the Census Bureau in 2002, with even more ifs ands and buts than usual. Most recently, according to the New York Times, it has been revised downward to just over 40%.