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Jo Blo
04-20-2007, 08:32 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Silver

Check this out...

http://loveattach.com/

more of the same FRAUD...

period.
Hello guys ,I have received an email from arladys.com from a Maria Leticia B (#1624)on the 12th, it reads as follows THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR SUSANA Good Morning ****, I do not know what time it is over there, but its early morning here, before i continue talking i want to tell you my real name is Susanna, hahaha !!'..... now guys i ask you , FRAUD you claim , LIARS you claim, i now ask you to add "False Pretences" ( a criminal act in this country) to that same list of lies and b******t we were fed for ages and still are, i still log in to have a good laugh at the pretentious lies and fraud that still goes on at the topic of this forum, only now i do not bother to reply, i have been to the BA office ,which amazingly does actually exist, just as much as the LIES on various profiles, yet SERGEI SHLOTKY assured me on the phone in September 06 that the profile of Iana D (5100) would be removed , due to the LIES on her profile, well you LIARS, i am still waiting for that to happen 7-8 months later, if CC/UAL knocks on my door, they had better be prepared to stare down the rude end of a writ, taken out on my behalf by a man known as 'The Royal Commissioner' in legal circles ,guys be VERY careful best wishes and good luck to you all ...Jo Blo

imported_uljoh
04-22-2007, 08:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Mr Haney strikes again!

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Dear Eustace H. #128205,

This is to notify you that you have received an E-Mail from

Dasha N #2566

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2566/small.jpg

Subject: I am interested in corresponding with you..
Date: 12 April 2007

Hi!How are you?:-))Let me tell you a bit about myself. I am a merry, sociable, kind person with a good sense of humour :-)). I am fond of making surprises. As for my hobbies, I like to play the piano, to sing different songs, to play chess ( I think it is the most interesting and useful play, because you should think while playing this game). I prefer to spend my free time with my friends. I like to go to the discos with them because I enjoy dancing. I prefer the active way of life, but sometimes I am tired and I simply want to stay at home, to read an interesting book.I am willing to meet a kind, merry and honest man. To my mind honesty is one of the most important feature of the character of the members of a happy family because honesty is the first step to trust and understanding. And what about you? What traits of character do you appreciate in people? What is your opinion about the relationship in a happy,maybe perfect, family?I want to know you the more, the better. Tell me also about your job, your hobbies, your favourite books, films, kinds of sport.I am looking forward to receiving your letter soon.With best wishes,Dasha



Hi there!
I received exactly the asme letter some time ago! Watch below.

From: Dasha N. #2566
To: ____
Date: 09 December 2006 05:22:03
Subject: I am interested in corresponding with you..
Dasha N. #2566
xxxxxxxxxxx
09 December 2006 05:22:06
I am interested in corresponding with you..
--------------------------------------------------------

Hi!How are you?:-))Let me tell you a bit about myself. I am a merry, sociable, kind person with a good sense of humour :-)). I am fond of making surprises. As for my hobbies, I like to play the piano, to sing different songs, to play chess ( I think it is the most interesting and useful play, because you should think while playing this game). I prefer to spend my free time with my friends. I like to go to the discos with them because I enjoy dancing. I prefer the active way of life, but sometimes I am tired and I simply want to stay at home, to read an interesting book.I am willing to meet a kind, merry and honest man. To my mind honesty is one of the most important feature of the character of the members of a happy family because honesty is the first step to trust and understanding. And what about you? What traits of character do you appreciate in people? What is your opinion about the relationship in a happy,maybe perfect, family?I want to know you the more, the better. Tell me also about your job, your hobbies, your favourite books, films, kinds of sport.I am looking forward to receiving your letter soon.With best wishes,Dasha

So, now I realize it might have not even been her writing : )

// Uljoh

Ding dong
04-22-2007, 12:18 PM
Im interested to know if ANYONE is communicating with girls from either Sumi, or Kremenuch branches.I have dicovered something, and although I would rather not say at this point, I know that once proven, you guys will be VERY interested to hear about it!!Feel free to contact me on the email adress given,or just post on this site.Just to let you know Im a P.I. and using my resorces I have found some very interesting things!Im interested too if anyone has actual names and contact details of ANY of the ladies, as well as anyone who has actually been to either of these agencies.
Lets kick some...!

HUMAID
04-22-2007, 03:15 PM
GOODMORNING FRIEND YOU BEEN TAKING ABOUT SCAMMER GIRLS ESOICIALLY IN UKRAIN .BUT WHAT ABOUT IF THE SCAMMER IS THE POLICE .YES . I WAS IN UKRAIN LAST YEAR AND I VISIT POLTAVA CITY I GOT FRIEND THER ONE NIGHT WE BEEN TOGETHER TO SPIDER NIGHT CLUB THEN WE GOT THERE THEN I FIND ONE DRANK GUY AND HE STUCK TO ME THEN I INVITE HIM FOR DRINK SUDDNLY HE PUSH THE CUP OF WHISCKY INTO MY MOUTH DIRECTLY I BLOW OUT .UP TO NOW IT IS NORMAL STORY BUT I FIND THE HALL WHITRES SHOUTING MY FRIND TOLD ME WE HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY OF 50 HYREVNA IT IS OK WITH ME BUT SUDDENLY I FIND THE POLICE HOLD MY ARM LIKE A CRIMENAL AND TACK ME OUT SIDE CHECK MY WALET AND STEAL MY MONEY WHICH IS 600 DOLLARS AND RUN AWY . LATER ON I GO TO A LAWER AND TELL THE STORY SHE SEND ME TO POLTAVA INSPOCTOR AND THEY MAKE A LOT OF INVISTEGATION WITH ME AND TOLD ME IF I AM LAIER I WILL BE IN A BIG PROBLEM I SAID OK THEN THEY DO THE SAME WITH MY FRIEND AND TACK OUR FHONE NUMBER AFTER THIS STORY I STAY IN UKRAIN FOR ONE MOUNTH I VISIT VINETSA AND KIEV BUT NO BODY CALL ME SO IF THE POLICE STEAL YOU IN UKRAIN SO WHO WILL PROTICT YOU THER.ALSO EVERY WHERE I GO THERE THE POLICE CUCH ME TO CHECH MY PASSPORT THANK GOD I AM A PILOT NOT A DANCER OTHER WISE ??????????????? IF THIS IS THE POLICE DO WHAT THE AGENCY SHOULD DO .THEY GOT A BEAUTIFULL COUNTRY BUT THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO TREAT THE TOUREST. LATER I WILL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPEN IN THE AIRPORT .

ItTechy
04-22-2007, 06:02 PM
Hi all!

Aren't there laws against agencies doing this? (Scamming)

I mean there has got to be someone to contact?

I personally know they (UA Ladys) is definitely a scam site, period.

No doubt in my mind after reading so many other posts regarding them!

I mean they are operating a multi-million dollar scam!

What's also bad is that if you try to inquire about them from Russian Scammers.org your email gets bounced back!

Something smells really bad about these guys, REALLY BAD!

Prometheus
04-23-2007, 04:39 PM
Dear Eustace H. #128205,

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

This is to notify you that you have received an E-Mail from

Liudmila M #3981

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/3981/small.jpg

Subject: we must try! [to take your money]
Date: 21 April 2007

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY JULIA L. FOR LIUDMILA M.


Hello to you Eustace!

Lonely soul is writing to you from beautiful town Poltava in Ukraine..Her name is Liuda and she is waiting to get acquainted with you. I'm not a teenage Lolita who is trying to seduce older man, I am just a woman with serious intentions and ready for good changes in life!!

Look in my profile and video..Will be very glad to hear from you!

We must try!

sincerely,

Liuda

Prometheus
04-23-2007, 06:31 PM
Dear Theodore S. #396158,

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/39/396158/small.jpg

This is to notify you that you have received an E-Mail from

Victoria M #7036

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/7036/small.jpg

Subject: I want to find You!
Date: 19 April 2007

THE LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR VICTORIA

Hello dear !

My name is Victoria, I'm a young and attractive girl, I can be calm and thoughtful open and joyfull, it depends on mood and situation. I study at the university and also work as a manager in bank-office.

Do you like travelling? I do like and always extremely keen to see new places and people. Not so long ago I fulfilled my dream and visited Thailand, have you ever been to this country? Maybe one day we could go there together , it is so exciting to see the world with one very special person:). And I feel you are!

I 'm fond of extreme kinds of sports, parachute jumping, diving, etc. Are not you scared yet?:)

I like spending weekends in the Crimea.

I can cook some very tasty things and do like salads, I like listening to music, classical for dreaming and dancing music when with my friends. What about you?

And here is the most important.. I'm a romantic person and dreaming to meet a real love, that is why I am here and writing my letter to you:)

Impatiently waiting for your reply, Victoria!!!


[NOTE: "THEODORE" IS 73 YEAR OLD NATIVE AMERICAN WHO WORKS IN WASTE MANAGEMENT, SMOKES AND DRINKS ALL THE TIME, HAS ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION AND SAYS "DO NOT CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST."]

sk8er
04-24-2007, 02:28 AM
Hello gentlemen. I am leaving Thurs. for the Ukraine:D I am going to meet a couple of girls in Kiev and the one more in Kharkov. All are from a different agency I am also planning to visit one girl from auladys. I know she is real I seen her pics on another web site of her at work. She works at auladys in the office as a secratary I think, anyone can see her on the web cams, that they brag about,if you veiw long enough. I was planning on meeting with her I know she would like me since I have a gold card. Let her take me to a resturant and after she orders the big expensive meal WALK OUT ON HER and her handler!!! this should all work out because she is above the rules of auladys and she doesn't know that I speak enough russian to get by on. The only problem is that her profile isn't on anymore does anybody still have contact with Elena G. #1586[}:)]

Prometheus
04-24-2007, 03:54 PM
Posted 8 Jan 2007

Hello

My name is Charlie from the UK. I have been with CC for under 5 months. I noticed the last few days the website has been down and is still down. After finding this forum I must say I was a little horrified to read some of the stories about CC.

I have been corresponding with 3 girls and one of them is Elena G 1586. I read the posting by Jim with regards to this girl as he was corresponding when she had and operation for appendicitis. This rings true as Elena sent me pictures of her on Holiday in Turkey last year and I could clearly see the scar from the operation.

I must admit I have my doubts about this girl as on a number of ocassions I have asked questions in my letters and answers have not been forthcoming. However, I do believe that the girls do exist but what they write when they reply may not always be translated correctly, if it was their reply in the first instance.

I have also been in contact with Cathy L 7713 and this girl always answers my questions and asks questions about me and my family and she seems quite genuine.

Has anybody else corresponded with Cathy L?

I have arranged a trip to Kharkov for 8 days at the end of February to finally asses for myself the merits of CC. I did not book one of the pricy trips they advertise in their services. I have arranged to meet Elena G? and I sent her a letter last week confirming my accommodation.

Once I have completed my trip I will post my report on this forum.

Has anyone been to the Kharkov office?

I would appreciate any response.
Thank you

--------------

Post 10 Jan 2007

Hi Ralf

I was interested what you had to say about the various brances of CC or UA especially Simferopol! have you been to this branch? I have been writing to a girl there and like you say you have to read between the lines. Every question I have ever asked her has been answered and she seems quite genuine only a visit will confirm this.

On the other hand I have been corresponding with a girl in Kharkov her name is Elena G 1586 "I think most of us have". Her answers to any questions were to say at the least, a little bit vague. When I told her I am planning a visit to Kharkov at the end of February I got no acknowledgement. I know she is from Kharkov and I will try and meet her when I am there, but I would not hold my breath.

There is one other girl I have been corresponding with in Sumy. She seems again to be quite genuine. What I plan to do is try to get her to come to Kharkov to meet me to see if she is the genuine article.

I will keep you posted

Chas

----------------------

There is no Elena G. #1586 on the site now. Maybe she is too busy dissolving Chas's poor carcass in a bathtub of acid to reply!

HUMAID
04-24-2007, 08:16 PM
HELLOW EVERYBODY .AS I NOTICE IN THE UA CC BEFOR THEY DONT MENTION THE NAME HOTEL IN SIMFEROPOL BRANCH AND AS A MEMBER OF THIS SIT I TRY TO ASK THEM FOR THE HOTEL NAME THERE SO MENEY TIME BUT EVERY TIME THEY ESCAPE TO ANSWER MY QUISION WHEN I GOT HER AND SAW ALL THE PEOPEL COMPLANING I GO BACK TO THE SIT AND CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP THANKS FOR DUBLINDEVIL AND ALL THE GROUB .HOPE NO BODY HURT

sk8er
04-25-2007, 11:32 PM
I am leaving tomorrow for the Ukraine and I hope to make it back. I think by the time I make it to Kharkov she will be back on the site. They need the pro daters/goldiggers back! UALadys traffic is down and their girl numbers are down too. She will not that little head at the bottom of the support staffs office(I wonder what happened to the dart board).but back in action real soon I bet. Then we can meet and fall deeply in love HA,HA. or like the rest of guys that go to Kharkov fall off the face of the earth. I also found out that the staff at the Hotel Kharkov will tell you all about her and you don't even have to pay them anything.Maybe they know more girls from UA Finally a good deal found in that city. One last thought before I leave maybe UA computer programmers[V] made a little error and mixed up the gallery of ladys header with the scammers header and that why there are only seven scammers listed and not the top 100 anymore

Silver
04-27-2007, 03:58 AM
Hello guys...

as a comment...all girls are still on air at UAladys and ARladys...etc...
you just can not see their profiles unless they write to you the first letter...
but, if you have an old letter from elena gracheva 1586 or another girl that is not listed any longer at the site you can take a look at her pictures, profile, video, write to them, etc...

this is a new trick...but they are still active and making money from innocent men like I use to be before I found this site...

ItTechy
04-28-2007, 12:05 AM
Ok,

So we all agree that UA Ladys is a RIP OFF!

Now What?

I have no clue if ANY of the mail I got was EVEN WRITTEN by the women I was in contact with? Doesn't anyone have a contact in the Ukraine??

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!

Prometheus
04-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Techy,

I was lucky enough to find this forum last December, shortly after I came to the conclusion that I was not corresponding with my lady, and maybe not even with a translator. It was a cut and paste operation, designed to steal $7 from me per "letter."

Read all of this forum's posts as well as the ones under Confidential Communications... many men have traveled to the Ukraine only to be told that their woman was unavailable. Others have met their woman, only to learn she knew nothing about them, despite months of "intimate" communication. Men who have written emails after reading this forum have been immediately told that their woman was no longer interested in them. The entire operation is a scam, that has only gotten worse since CC sold the site to Ualadys in January.

NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVER POSTED TO THIS FORUM THAT THEY MADE ANY MEANINGFUL CONNECTION WITH A UALADYS/CONFIDENTIAL CONNECTION WOMAN. A few did manage to f**k their interpreter, but you could buy a hooker in Kiev for a lot less than they invested.

I've happily moved on with my life but have pledged to monitor this forum to warn off as many other men off as possible. Don't waste your time, your money, or your emotions with this bunch. It is a total scam.

Prometheus
04-30-2007, 02:51 PM
And don't forget UALADYS claims:

"And the realities are:

1. Of every 100 men who initiate, only one will follow through with a trip to meet the Lady in person. A trip gets the best results.

2. 95% of the man who do go are successful in finding a fiancee or wife.

3. Many Ladies have been writing particular men very often end up marrying another man who goes there in person."

There should be hundreds of happily married UALADYS/CONFIDENTIAL CONNECTION customers singing their praises... A 95% SUCCESS RATE?

Crazy.

ham
04-30-2007, 06:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

And don't forget UALADYS claims:

"And the realities are:

1. Of every 100 men who initiate, only one will follow through with a trip to meet the Lady in person. A trip gets the best results.

2. 95% of the man who do go are successful in finding a fiancee or wife.

3. Many Ladies have been writing particular men very often end up marrying another man who goes there in person."

There should be hundreds of happily married UALADYS/CONFIDENTIAL CONNECTION customers singing their praises... A 95% SUCCESS RATE?

Crazy.


agencies & parties with vested interests act like shady, unscrupulous investment advisors who thrive within the unsaid, the unasked, the small print.
I can concede a large percentage of men on tours [u]are</u> convinced they found their soulmate, or found a match they didn't think possible.
As well, take the "best self approach", the controlled environment, euphoria, candy store syndromes, interpreters who "massage" translations to make one hear what they want to; women so eager to bail out that they are not going to turn down anyone...consider the overwhelming "attention" fake profiles depicting old, crippled, weird geezers get.
So it is indeed possible that -after a few pints of beer and under the pressure of a "friendly" salesman- men are eager to declare they are in heaven -especially if they can bed some hot young thing, no matter whether she's a local prostitute-.
Then, what happens?
Mostly, nothing.
US yearly total MOB immigration accounted few years ago for 0,21% only.
Men go back home and most of them forget the whole thing; women change their minds or meet someone else.
Agencies don't bother to follow up...it is enough they can line up as many "success stories" as possible.

Los Vengadores Gauchos
04-30-2007, 10:12 PM
Attention every man who has been to CC, FC and now you know the rest of the story. It is all a game cleverly designed to steal your money. I will not complain any longer. What you all need to do is go to the FBI website and state your case there. Your actions will shut down this fraudulent operation and we will finally see the tools of our labor pay off for all of us. Here is the website. http://www.ic3.gov/ Take action now. It is time for justice to be served. Get out of ThE MaTrIx and be heard!!!

BigD
05-15-2007, 08:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by zepdp


quote:Originally posted by bachelorboy101

Hi Nomorescam

[B)]Here are a few letters I have received from her:

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY KATERINA D. FOR NADEZHDA N.

Hello dear ****!

It's me, your girl from Ukraine;))) Here we have the last days of this year. I do not know whether I'll be able to write you till the 3rd of January. It seems to me that the office will be closed;-(((( It's a pity that I won't read your letters, but please wirte me because I want you to know that I think of you and I do not want to lose you. I'll come and just imagine how happy I wilI be to realise that you do not want to let me go in next year. I am really so glad that this year turned out to be so happy as I found you here. I want to say you "Happy New Year!" and I want to say SORRY for everything wrong I said last year, maybe for smth which you did not like in me. I just wanted to be myself and I wish everything to be better and happier in your family.

Just now you can observe such a fuss in Poltava. The markets are full of people, shops are overcrowded, everybody is trying ti buy smth pleasant for relatives and friends. I also have already bought presents for my parents and friends: many piglets of different size;) So as for me I celebrate New Year at home with my parents and be sure that when it strikes midnight and when our glasses are filled with champaigne I'll drink for you and for our happiness. Let the piglet make smth good for us in 2007!!!;))))) I really appreciate you and everything you do for me, you are the best man I have ever met, hope you are staying with me!!!

Sincerely Nadja

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----------------------------------------------

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY KATERINA D. FOR NADEZHDA N.

Hello dear ****!

At last I managed to get you! It was so difficult. Do you know there were some problems with the site. I even did not know what to do. I thought that I had completely lost connection with you. But now everything is fine that's why both of us can relax. How were you and what news my darling wants to tell me?;))))))))))

Do you know that we had Christmas last weekend? Actually during the whole weekend I stayed at home with my family. I even did not want to leave the house. I watched TV as there were many different programs and movies. I stayed in bed and did nothing so you see how lazy I am;))) Do you still like me?;))))))))

Ok, I am waiting for your letter very much.

Kiss you softly

Nadja

p.s. Dear ****, I'd like you to be the first to come and visit me;)

----------------------------------------------------

Ps: - Karl, I have loads of letters from Daria P, if you want me to post any, she did seem pretty genuine, as I have had a few letters when I told her about my mother going in for an operation and my sister being pregnant, and she has asked me about these things in her letters, however, I`m sure Im not the first to be duped, lol:)





Hi, I have the same letters from #3867 Nadezhda N I also have several pictures, have you got the one with the reflection in the mirror.
I also have loads of letters and pictures from #4016 Daria P. She does seem genuine, until you tell her that you have booked a trip to see her, then she says she is not interested in a relationship with you, although she still wants to write to you and remain friends. I have told her that she is on this forum, and she was surprised.



Hello, this is my first time posting on here and I must admitt feeling a little stupid. Nadja has written me many letters but I finally stoped writing her when she never answered my questions. I divorsed a woman like that and didn't want another.

These are women I have had contact with, anyone else?[B)]
Victoria U #7554
Ann A #6130
Nastya G #4333

BigD
05-15-2007, 08:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by zepdp


quote:Originally posted by bachelorboy101

Hi Nomorescam

[B)]Here are a few letters I have received from her:

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY KATERINA D. FOR NADEZHDA N.

Hello dear ****!

It's me, your girl from Ukraine;))) Here we have the last days of this year. I do not know whether I'll be able to write you till the 3rd of January. It seems to me that the office will be closed;-(((( It's a pity that I won't read your letters, but please wirte me because I want you to know that I think of you and I do not want to lose you. I'll come and just imagine how happy I wilI be to realise that you do not want to let me go in next year. I am really so glad that this year turned out to be so happy as I found you here. I want to say you "Happy New Year!" and I want to say SORRY for everything wrong I said last year, maybe for smth which you did not like in me. I just wanted to be myself and I wish everything to be better and happier in your family.

Just now you can observe such a fuss in Poltava. The markets are full of people, shops are overcrowded, everybody is trying ti buy smth pleasant for relatives and friends. I also have already bought presents for my parents and friends: many piglets of different size;) So as for me I celebrate New Year at home with my parents and be sure that when it strikes midnight and when our glasses are filled with champaigne I'll drink for you and for our happiness. Let the piglet make smth good for us in 2007!!!;))))) I really appreciate you and everything you do for me, you are the best man I have ever met, hope you are staying with me!!!

Sincerely Nadja

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----------------------------------------------

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY KATERINA D. FOR NADEZHDA N.

Hello dear ****!

At last I managed to get you! It was so difficult. Do you know there were some problems with the site. I even did not know what to do. I thought that I had completely lost connection with you. But now everything is fine that's why both of us can relax. How were you and what news my darling wants to tell me?;))))))))))

Do you know that we had Christmas last weekend? Actually during the whole weekend I stayed at home with my family. I even did not want to leave the house. I watched TV as there were many different programs and movies. I stayed in bed and did nothing so you see how lazy I am;))) Do you still like me?;))))))))

Ok, I am waiting for your letter very much.

Kiss you softly

Nadja

p.s. Dear ****, I'd like you to be the first to come and visit me;)

----------------------------------------------------

Ps: - Karl, I have loads of letters from Daria P, if you want me to post any, she did seem pretty genuine, as I have had a few letters when I told her about my mother going in for an operation and my sister being pregnant, and she has asked me about these things in her letters, however, I`m sure Im not the first to be duped, lol:)





Hi, I have the same letters from #3867 Nadezhda N I also have several pictures, have you got the one with the reflection in the mirror.
I also have loads of letters and pictures from #4016 Daria P. She does seem genuine, until you tell her that you have booked a trip to see her, then she says she is not interested in a relationship with you, although she still wants to write to you and remain friends. I have told her that she is on this forum, and she was surprised.



Hello, this is my first time posting on here and I must admitt feeling a little stupid. Nadja has written me many letters but I finally stoped writing her when she never answered my questions. I divorsed a woman like that and didn't want another.

These are women I have had contact with, anyone else?[B)]
Victoria U #7554
Ann A #6130
Nastya G #4333

Silver
05-16-2007, 12:07 AM
one more time....
check this out...

http://pingyourdestiny.com/photo2.rpx?&id=1586&pr=bob1

http://pingyourdestiny.com/photo2.rpx?&id=4287&pr=bob1

and for those who are talking about nadja...

http://pingyourdestiny.com/photo2.rpx?&id=3867&pr=bob1

Silver
05-16-2007, 12:07 AM
one more time....
check this out...

http://pingyourdestiny.com/photo2.rpx?&id=1586&pr=bob1

http://pingyourdestiny.com/photo2.rpx?&id=4287&pr=bob1

and for those who are talking about nadja...

http://pingyourdestiny.com/photo2.rpx?&id=3867&pr=bob1

BigD
05-16-2007, 11:06 AM
I am trying to get up to speed on all these scams, is pingyourdestiny owned by the same company as ualadys?[:I] I did look at the site and it looks like exactly the same girls with the same numbers.

When I first started I looked cc on the better business bureau and there were no complaints.

I am in for what ever the rest of you think we should or could do. I also recieved many of the same letters that the rest of you recieved, but I had two girls who I recieved letters that answered every question and seemed to be genuine, but now I'm not sure of anything. Is there actually cincere women on this site or is the whole thing a big joke for big doupes?[:o)]

BigD
05-16-2007, 11:06 AM
I am trying to get up to speed on all these scams, is pingyourdestiny owned by the same company as ualadys?[:I] I did look at the site and it looks like exactly the same girls with the same numbers.

When I first started I looked cc on the better business bureau and there were no complaints.

I am in for what ever the rest of you think we should or could do. I also recieved many of the same letters that the rest of you recieved, but I had two girls who I recieved letters that answered every question and seemed to be genuine, but now I'm not sure of anything. Is there actually cincere women on this site or is the whole thing a big joke for big doupes?[:o)]

Prometheus
05-16-2007, 12:24 PM
Mr Haney strikes again!

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Dear Eustace H. #128205,

This is to notify you that you have received an E-Mail from

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/7699/small.jpg

Tatyana U. #7699

Subject: Make a step into my world I believe that it is you that very person whom I was looking for all my life!

TRANSLATED FOR TATYANA Hello Eustace H. !!! It's probably considered to be not respectable to look for a match for women of my age. Looking back at the years that passed it seems that half of my life is already spent, but I've never had and I still don't have a reliable man to spend my life with. I was married and I gave a birth to 2 wonderful children, built a house and grew a garden (though it's considered to be a man's lot), and I had to do it all alone, without any help. Happy family life with my husband didn't work out.Our local men don't like strong and clever (in comparison to them) women. I hope that you like this traut of character:)Do you? I can not find here any decent man, the one who is able to treat me like a real lady to give me his tenderness and care!!! I hope that you can become my soulmate and that very person who can share my inner world!!! Just now the only light in my life is my grandaughter and my children. But I feel that I need to start a new life and to turn over the page to the next stage... Nevertheless I still hope that I can change my personal life for better. I believe that my happiness will smile at me and I would have a man who would warm me with his love during cold winter nights. I always felt slight jealosy when I saw couple walking in the park, holding hands and talking about the simpliest things. I think this is what people call happiness, when you have someone with whom you can simply hold hands, talk to and feel real support and love. I hope that you are that very person whom I was looking for all my life.... Hope to get your reply soon, With best regards, Tanya

Prometheus
05-16-2007, 12:24 PM
Mr Haney strikes again!

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Dear Eustace H. #128205,

This is to notify you that you have received an E-Mail from

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/7699/small.jpg

Tatyana U. #7699

Subject: Make a step into my world I believe that it is you that very person whom I was looking for all my life!

TRANSLATED FOR TATYANA Hello Eustace H. !!! It's probably considered to be not respectable to look for a match for women of my age. Looking back at the years that passed it seems that half of my life is already spent, but I've never had and I still don't have a reliable man to spend my life with. I was married and I gave a birth to 2 wonderful children, built a house and grew a garden (though it's considered to be a man's lot), and I had to do it all alone, without any help. Happy family life with my husband didn't work out.Our local men don't like strong and clever (in comparison to them) women. I hope that you like this traut of character:)Do you? I can not find here any decent man, the one who is able to treat me like a real lady to give me his tenderness and care!!! I hope that you can become my soulmate and that very person who can share my inner world!!! Just now the only light in my life is my grandaughter and my children. But I feel that I need to start a new life and to turn over the page to the next stage... Nevertheless I still hope that I can change my personal life for better. I believe that my happiness will smile at me and I would have a man who would warm me with his love during cold winter nights. I always felt slight jealosy when I saw couple walking in the park, holding hands and talking about the simpliest things. I think this is what people call happiness, when you have someone with whom you can simply hold hands, talk to and feel real support and love. I hope that you are that very person whom I was looking for all my life.... Hope to get your reply soon, With best regards, Tanya

Morgoth
05-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Hi Guys! I'm new in your forum since two weeks and I like it very much. Some informations for you. I was in Ukraine five times since two years looking for my beloved one. Using some agency, like ualadys, khersongirls and so one, I find a wonderful lady through ualadys. I must said that I had some problems with the head office for their lack of customers services but the manager of the agency in Kherson was helpful, not the head office in Kharcov. My lady was not aware of the problems of the agency and she don't speak english too. I speak a little in russian, so it,s helpful. When I using internet, I paid one grivna (about 0,20 cent USD) for each 15 minutes. A good price. In Kiev, about the same but Odessa, how awful city of thieves, mostly taxi drivers. Beware!!! They rises the prices because I'm a stranger. Guys, why none of you made a complaint at the head office in New York for UAladys. Probably they will be more helpful because as I know, many people in Ukraine don't care about customer service, it's not in their mind, only to get more money by any means possible. By the way, did you know that Interpol is looking for this knid of scammers too, mostly agency who is linked with prostitution or fraud.... [}:)] Did you know that you can complaint through your Embassy in Ukraine for fraud and the Ukrainian internal affaire to help you. Because if Ukraine want to be part of the European alliance, they must prove to be worthy and police are willing to search for scammers like ualadys.... Keep your proofs, it's useful. I'm just sad there is many ladies in this agency who are sincere and don't know at all about it. Another topic, the media and news papers in Ukraine like to know this kind of scamms activitie. I think in my next trip, I will expose that to them. So I need to have many proofs. Do you imagine the bom, media, news papers, Interpol, Ukraine internal affaires are looking for the staffs of ualays.... so guys, keep me in touch... Morgoth

Morgoth
05-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Hi Guys! I'm new in your forum since two weeks and I like it very much. Some informations for you. I was in Ukraine five times since two years looking for my beloved one. Using some agency, like ualadys, khersongirls and so one, I find a wonderful lady through ualadys. I must said that I had some problems with the head office for their lack of customers services but the manager of the agency in Kherson was helpful, not the head office in Kharcov. My lady was not aware of the problems of the agency and she don't speak english too. I speak a little in russian, so it,s helpful. When I using internet, I paid one grivna (about 0,20 cent USD) for each 15 minutes. A good price. In Kiev, about the same but Odessa, how awful city of thieves, mostly taxi drivers. Beware!!! They rises the prices because I'm a stranger. Guys, why none of you made a complaint at the head office in New York for UAladys. Probably they will be more helpful because as I know, many people in Ukraine don't care about customer service, it's not in their mind, only to get more money by any means possible. By the way, did you know that Interpol is looking for this knid of scammers too, mostly agency who is linked with prostitution or fraud.... [}:)] Did you know that you can complaint through your Embassy in Ukraine for fraud and the Ukrainian internal affaire to help you. Because if Ukraine want to be part of the European alliance, they must prove to be worthy and police are willing to search for scammers like ualadys.... Keep your proofs, it's useful. I'm just sad there is many ladies in this agency who are sincere and don't know at all about it. Another topic, the media and news papers in Ukraine like to know this kind of scamms activitie. I think in my next trip, I will expose that to them. So I need to have many proofs. Do you imagine the bom, media, news papers, Interpol, Ukraine internal affaires are looking for the staffs of ualays.... so guys, keep me in touch... Morgoth

straightee
05-17-2007, 07:11 PM
Hi gentlemen. I am wondering if any one has heard of anastasia web. This is another agency that is handled by non other than steve sias. If my memory is correct this was the same owner of ua/ cc. I also see that there are ladies from ua ladies on this site and anastasia.[}:)]

mikey straightee

straightee
05-17-2007, 07:11 PM
Hi gentlemen. I am wondering if any one has heard of anastasia web. This is another agency that is handled by non other than steve sias. If my memory is correct this was the same owner of ua/ cc. I also see that there are ladies from ua ladies on this site and anastasia.[}:)]

mikey straightee

BigD
05-17-2007, 08:21 PM
I was wondering how to save all the information from our profiles before we delete them or should we just have it removed and forget about it?

I found this interesting from the US Embasy in Ukraine. It is dated 2001 so I guess we are way hehind on finding this out and it sounds just like UALadys scam.:(
http://www.immigration.com/frame/ukrainusvisafr.html

April 13, 2001
"Love Trap" - Internet Fraud for the Lovelorn
Ukraine has recently experienced burgeoning crop of escort services and "marriage brokers" plying their trade on the Internet.
Whereas some of the companies may be legitimate, there is an increasing number of phony agencies operating in Ukraine. Similar to a dating service, these agencies profess to offer full service assistance: emailing photographs, arranging relationships, translating love letters, purchasing presents on behalf of would-be romantics, even organizing trips to Ukraine to meet that "special someone" in person.
Naturally, each of these services requires payment, mostly through direct wire transfer organizations such as Western Union or MoneyGram. As the victim becomes more deeply hooked, the fees and cost of incidentals rise.
Ultimately, there have been reports of victims actually traveling to Ukraine to meet their future bride, only to be left bereft (with a wallet up to several thousand dollars lighter) as the erstwhile fiancee regretfully informs the victim that a) she has decided to stay with her current husband, or b) can't marry for some other reason - or even left standing at the airport. Some of these scams have been organized by enterprising young women who are not involved with an agency.
RSO cautions against falling into the new Ukrainian "Love Trap".

BigD
05-17-2007, 08:21 PM
I was wondering how to save all the information from our profiles before we delete them or should we just have it removed and forget about it?

I found this interesting from the US Embasy in Ukraine. It is dated 2001 so I guess we are way hehind on finding this out and it sounds just like UALadys scam.:(
http://www.immigration.com/frame/ukrainusvisafr.html

April 13, 2001
"Love Trap" - Internet Fraud for the Lovelorn
Ukraine has recently experienced burgeoning crop of escort services and "marriage brokers" plying their trade on the Internet.
Whereas some of the companies may be legitimate, there is an increasing number of phony agencies operating in Ukraine. Similar to a dating service, these agencies profess to offer full service assistance: emailing photographs, arranging relationships, translating love letters, purchasing presents on behalf of would-be romantics, even organizing trips to Ukraine to meet that "special someone" in person.
Naturally, each of these services requires payment, mostly through direct wire transfer organizations such as Western Union or MoneyGram. As the victim becomes more deeply hooked, the fees and cost of incidentals rise.
Ultimately, there have been reports of victims actually traveling to Ukraine to meet their future bride, only to be left bereft (with a wallet up to several thousand dollars lighter) as the erstwhile fiancee regretfully informs the victim that a) she has decided to stay with her current husband, or b) can't marry for some other reason - or even left standing at the airport. Some of these scams have been organized by enterprising young women who are not involved with an agency.
RSO cautions against falling into the new Ukrainian "Love Trap".

BigD
05-18-2007, 10:04 AM
This is interesting and we all need to file a complaint. I checked and bookmarked this cite last fall when I started communicating with CC and there were no complaints so I thought it was legit. We need to change that.[8D]




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CCUSA LLC
372 Broadway, Lower Level
New York, NY 10013
View Location Map


Principal: Thomas McHevery, President

Phone Number: (800) 398-6050

Additional Phone Numbers:
(212) 619-6800


Fax Number: (212) 619-4160

Website: www.conficentialconnections.com

Type of Business: Dating Service

Membership Status: This company is not a member.




The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

Customer Experience

Based on BBB files, this business has a satisfactory record with the Bureau. A ?satisfactory record? means that a company has been in business for at least 12 months, and has properly addressed complaints referred to it by the Bureau. The business cannot have an unusual volume or pattern of complaints, or any government actions against it involving its marketplace conduct. The Bureau must understand and have no concerns about the business?s products, services and type of business.

The company's size, volume of business, and number of transactions may have a bearing on the number of complaints received by the BBB. The number of complaints filed against a company may not be as important as the type of complaints, and how the company handled them. The BBB generally does not pass judgment on the validity of complaints filed.

This Business has had no complaints filed against it in the last 36 months.

Report as of: 5/18/2007


Copyright ? 2007 BBB of Metropolitan New York, Inc.

BigD
05-18-2007, 10:04 AM
This is interesting and we all need to file a complaint. I checked and bookmarked this cite last fall when I started communicating with CC and there were no complaints so I thought it was legit. We need to change that.[8D]




Printer Version
CCUSA LLC
372 Broadway, Lower Level
New York, NY 10013
View Location Map


Principal: Thomas McHevery, President

Phone Number: (800) 398-6050

Additional Phone Numbers:
(212) 619-6800


Fax Number: (212) 619-4160

Website: www.conficentialconnections.com

Type of Business: Dating Service

Membership Status: This company is not a member.




The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

Customer Experience

Based on BBB files, this business has a satisfactory record with the Bureau. A ?satisfactory record? means that a company has been in business for at least 12 months, and has properly addressed complaints referred to it by the Bureau. The business cannot have an unusual volume or pattern of complaints, or any government actions against it involving its marketplace conduct. The Bureau must understand and have no concerns about the business?s products, services and type of business.

The company's size, volume of business, and number of transactions may have a bearing on the number of complaints received by the BBB. The number of complaints filed against a company may not be as important as the type of complaints, and how the company handled them. The BBB generally does not pass judgment on the validity of complaints filed.

This Business has had no complaints filed against it in the last 36 months.

Report as of: 5/18/2007


Copyright ? 2007 BBB of Metropolitan New York, Inc.

Prometheus
05-25-2007, 07:03 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2679/small.jpg

From: Elena L. #2679
To: Eustace H. #128205
Subject: Do you remember me?:-)

Hi!Do yo know, I am looking at your picture right now, and I cant calm down, because I know I saw you already... But I cant remember where it was... Was that a dream or a vision [late night TV reruns perhaps]?.... Do you remember me?If you dont remember me, perhaps we should get acquainted a new?My name is Elena(If you dont remember me:-)). I divorced and raise a 9 year old daughter alone. Her name is Diana. I am a cheerful and optimistic person, but sometimes I can be shy. I don't like rudeness and selfishness.If you want to know more about myself, I will answer your questions with pleasure.Tell me about yourself, about your life and interests.Hope to hear from you soon.Elena

Prometheus
05-25-2007, 07:03 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2679/small.jpg

From: Elena L. #2679
To: Eustace H. #128205
Subject: Do you remember me?:-)

Hi!Do yo know, I am looking at your picture right now, and I cant calm down, because I know I saw you already... But I cant remember where it was... Was that a dream or a vision [late night TV reruns perhaps]?.... Do you remember me?If you dont remember me, perhaps we should get acquainted a new?My name is Elena(If you dont remember me:-)). I divorced and raise a 9 year old daughter alone. Her name is Diana. I am a cheerful and optimistic person, but sometimes I can be shy. I don't like rudeness and selfishness.If you want to know more about myself, I will answer your questions with pleasure.Tell me about yourself, about your life and interests.Hope to hear from you soon.Elena

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 07:09 AM
I visited Confidential Connections 2 years ago for 1 week in July. Had no problems with the girl I visited.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 07:09 AM
I visited Confidential Connections 2 years ago for 1 week in July. Had no problems with the girl I visited.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 07:18 AM
I visited Confidential Connections 2 years ago for 1 week in July. Had no problems with the girl I visited.

I also corresponded with another girl from there. The girl was hilarious. She would forward me letters from guys 50-60 years old and laughed at them asking how guys old enough to be my grandfather think they actually have a chance with me. I still actually have those letters. Her cousin was a translater there and translated all her letters for her.

She left a while later. Got a scholarship at a medical college.
Or perhaps thrown out by the agency for being a little TOO legit???
Who knows.
Interesting thing is her cousin also kind of "disappeared" after supposadely leaving for a vacation and never returning. They said she found a new job and would not be returning. Kind of fishy if you ask me.

So while I am sure there are plenty of scammers in any agency , there are plenty of girls that are not also. Thats just how it crumbles doing **** like this.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 07:18 AM
I visited Confidential Connections 2 years ago for 1 week in July. Had no problems with the girl I visited.

I also corresponded with another girl from there. The girl was hilarious. She would forward me letters from guys 50-60 years old and laughed at them asking how guys old enough to be my grandfather think they actually have a chance with me. I still actually have those letters. Her cousin was a translater there and translated all her letters for her.

She left a while later. Got a scholarship at a medical college.
Or perhaps thrown out by the agency for being a little TOO legit???
Who knows.
Interesting thing is her cousin also kind of "disappeared" after supposadely leaving for a vacation and never returning. They said she found a new job and would not be returning. Kind of fishy if you ask me.

So while I am sure there are plenty of scammers in any agency , there are plenty of girls that are not also. Thats just how it crumbles doing **** like this.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 07:35 AM
Found some of her old letters.




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Hah you made me laugh with your mail! Smart ass! You are so damn right about everything you said!!! But, well, I don't really care much about what they do... as long as they don't bother me about letters from old assholes, when I said to change my profile I have warned them not to bother me if I still get mails from someone elder than 35! So they don't!!! Pack it in! I don't give a ****!

Nat
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I didn't write these days, wasn't feeling well... I feel like going to kill myself too...
Well, I don't have access to the Internet anywhere except here, in this agency and Irene doesn't have either. But probably we will go to the internet cafe or something. What's your yahoo address?

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whos computer is that you are sitting at while holding that black cat in that picture?? do you have a computer at home? Tell your cousin to help you talk on yahoo messanger so this criminal agency doesn't take anymore of my money..
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Hi! Hahaha yeah you are a very smart ass! Irene works for Confidential Connections! I didn't want to tell you, I was waiting for you to guess it... you did!!! ;))

How did you find it out tell me... She's been working only for a month or so...
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You'd get depression if you move to Ukraine 100% !!!!
Are you happy to see me on Top 100 ladies page? hahaha... I don't really care! I get around 15-20 mails per day! Can you believe it???? Hahaha... I don't reply of course... You are the youngest by the way!!!
What about you? How many mails do you get and how many girls do you correspond with? Do you keep in touch with that girl from Zhitomir by the way? The one you came to visit this year...

Nat
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thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 07:35 AM
Found some of her old letters.




------------
Hah you made me laugh with your mail! Smart ass! You are so damn right about everything you said!!! But, well, I don't really care much about what they do... as long as they don't bother me about letters from old assholes, when I said to change my profile I have warned them not to bother me if I still get mails from someone elder than 35! So they don't!!! Pack it in! I don't give a ****!

Nat
------------------
I didn't write these days, wasn't feeling well... I feel like going to kill myself too...
Well, I don't have access to the Internet anywhere except here, in this agency and Irene doesn't have either. But probably we will go to the internet cafe or something. What's your yahoo address?

------------------
whos computer is that you are sitting at while holding that black cat in that picture?? do you have a computer at home? Tell your cousin to help you talk on yahoo messanger so this criminal agency doesn't take anymore of my money..
----------------

Hi! Hahaha yeah you are a very smart ass! Irene works for Confidential Connections! I didn't want to tell you, I was waiting for you to guess it... you did!!! ;))

How did you find it out tell me... She's been working only for a month or so...
----------

You'd get depression if you move to Ukraine 100% !!!!
Are you happy to see me on Top 100 ladies page? hahaha... I don't really care! I get around 15-20 mails per day! Can you believe it???? Hahaha... I don't reply of course... You are the youngest by the way!!!
What about you? How many mails do you get and how many girls do you correspond with? Do you keep in touch with that girl from Zhitomir by the way? The one you came to visit this year...

Nat
-----------------------

ham
05-29-2007, 08:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

Found some of her old letters.




------------
Hah you made me laugh with your mail! Smart ass! You are so damn right about everything you said!!! But, well, I don't really care much about what they do... as long as they don't bother me about letters from old assholes, when I said to change my profile I have warned them not to bother me if I still get mails from someone elder than 35! So they don't!!! Pack it in! I don't give a ****!

Nat
------------------
I didn't write these days, wasn't feeling well... I feel like going to kill myself too...
Well, I don't have access to the Internet anywhere except here, in this agency and Irene doesn't have either. But probably we will go to the internet cafe or something. What's your yahoo address?

------------------
whos computer is that you are sitting at while holding that black cat in that picture?? do you have a computer at home? Tell your cousin to help you talk on yahoo messanger so this criminal agency doesn't take anymore of my money..
----------------

Hi! Hahaha yeah you are a very smart ass! Irene works for Confidential Connections! I didn't want to tell you, I was waiting for you to guess it... you did!!! ;))

How did you find it out tell me... She's been working only for a month or so...
----------

You'd get depression if you move to Ukraine 100% !!!!
Are you happy to see me on Top 100 ladies page? hahaha... I don't really care! I get around 15-20 mails per day! Can you believe it???? Hahaha... I don't reply of course... You are the youngest by the way!!!
What about you? How many mails do you get and how many girls do you correspond with? Do you keep in touch with that girl from Zhitomir by the way? The one you came to visit this year...

Nat
-----------------------





Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
I had correspondence with a few FSUWs who were the cream of the crop of the ESL bunch, and you could spot their style miles afar.



quote:She left a while later. Got a scholarship at a medical college.
Or perhaps thrown out by the agency for being a little TOO legit???
Who knows.
Interesting thing is her cousin also kind of "disappeared" after supposadely leaving for a vacation and never returning. They said she found a new job and would not be returning. Kind of fishy if you ask me.



my guess is both might have been misrepresenting themselves OR (very common in the WWW/LD world ) be the same person posing as two different individuals, with one identity or neither being legitimate.

ham
05-29-2007, 08:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

Found some of her old letters.




------------
Hah you made me laugh with your mail! Smart ass! You are so damn right about everything you said!!! But, well, I don't really care much about what they do... as long as they don't bother me about letters from old assholes, when I said to change my profile I have warned them not to bother me if I still get mails from someone elder than 35! So they don't!!! Pack it in! I don't give a ****!

Nat
------------------
I didn't write these days, wasn't feeling well... I feel like going to kill myself too...
Well, I don't have access to the Internet anywhere except here, in this agency and Irene doesn't have either. But probably we will go to the internet cafe or something. What's your yahoo address?

------------------
whos computer is that you are sitting at while holding that black cat in that picture?? do you have a computer at home? Tell your cousin to help you talk on yahoo messanger so this criminal agency doesn't take anymore of my money..
----------------

Hi! Hahaha yeah you are a very smart ass! Irene works for Confidential Connections! I didn't want to tell you, I was waiting for you to guess it... you did!!! ;))

How did you find it out tell me... She's been working only for a month or so...
----------

You'd get depression if you move to Ukraine 100% !!!!
Are you happy to see me on Top 100 ladies page? hahaha... I don't really care! I get around 15-20 mails per day! Can you believe it???? Hahaha... I don't reply of course... You are the youngest by the way!!!
What about you? How many mails do you get and how many girls do you correspond with? Do you keep in touch with that girl from Zhitomir by the way? The one you came to visit this year...

Nat
-----------------------





Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
I had correspondence with a few FSUWs who were the cream of the crop of the ESL bunch, and you could spot their style miles afar.



quote:She left a while later. Got a scholarship at a medical college.
Or perhaps thrown out by the agency for being a little TOO legit???
Who knows.
Interesting thing is her cousin also kind of "disappeared" after supposadely leaving for a vacation and never returning. They said she found a new job and would not be returning. Kind of fishy if you ask me.



my guess is both might have been misrepresenting themselves OR (very common in the WWW/LD world ) be the same person posing as two different individuals, with one identity or neither being legitimate.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 08:37 AM
Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
-------

Thats why they look look legit to me. [^]
She was a teenager.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 08:37 AM
Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
-------

Thats why they look look legit to me. [^]
She was a teenager.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 08:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
-------

Thats why they look legit to me. [^]
She was a teenager.



I through up some photos of her. Lets see if anyone has any info. The blonde is her.. with her cousin. The one who supposadely worked at CC.

http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z128/hemmy78/

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 08:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
-------

Thats why they look legit to me. [^]
She was a teenager.



I through up some photos of her. Lets see if anyone has any info. The blonde is her.. with her cousin. The one who supposadely worked at CC.

http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z128/hemmy78/

ham
05-29-2007, 10:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy


quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
-------

Thats why they look legit to me. [^]
She was a teenager.



I through up some photos of her. Lets see if anyone has any info. The blonde is her.. with her cousin. The one who supposadely worked at CC.

http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z128/hemmy78/


I said a skizoid DOMESTIC teenager.
The verbiage doesn't sound like a typical FSU-ESL thing.
Hmmm
S-he sent you undewear pictures and disappeared quickly? Twice highly suspicious.
At best (very best) a bored novelty seeker doing that for the thrill or a few pennies. At worst a "friendly translator" with a few stolen pictures.
Hmmm
S-he happens to have a pic taken with her cousin and this "cousin" also happened to work for the agency...hmmm...too many coincidences.

ham
05-29-2007, 10:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy


quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

Those letters look extremely suspicious TO ME:
1 their verbiage doesn't look like FSUW-ESL, more how like a skizoid domestic teenager would write, instead.
-------

Thats why they look legit to me. [^]
She was a teenager.



I through up some photos of her. Lets see if anyone has any info. The blonde is her.. with her cousin. The one who supposadely worked at CC.

http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z128/hemmy78/


I said a skizoid DOMESTIC teenager.
The verbiage doesn't sound like a typical FSU-ESL thing.
Hmmm
S-he sent you undewear pictures and disappeared quickly? Twice highly suspicious.
At best (very best) a bored novelty seeker doing that for the thrill or a few pennies. At worst a "friendly translator" with a few stolen pictures.
Hmmm
S-he happens to have a pic taken with her cousin and this "cousin" also happened to work for the agency...hmmm...too many coincidences.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 10:54 AM
I said a skizoid DOMESTIC teenager.
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Theres no difference between a skizoid teenager in the States or one in any other country.

There are plenty of regular girls who are not all scammers who join agencies. It's usually the agency that is the scammer. Not the actual girls.

It isn't hard to believe that a girl can have a relative who works for one of these agencies and the relative than brings the girl into the agency.

I think it looked much more like a case of the agency stepping in than anything else. She didn't disappear quickly. There was a good length of writing involved.

She disappeared sometime after the discussions started turning to things like yahoo messanger and her profile being manipulated by the agency (her age range of men etc).. which I questioned the agency about.

I personally think they got rid of her and her cousin because they were too much of a liability and weren't playing by the rules. Than just made up an excuse for he leaving.

p.s
those are hardly underwear pictures. :D

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 10:54 AM
I said a skizoid DOMESTIC teenager.
--------

Theres no difference between a skizoid teenager in the States or one in any other country.

There are plenty of regular girls who are not all scammers who join agencies. It's usually the agency that is the scammer. Not the actual girls.

It isn't hard to believe that a girl can have a relative who works for one of these agencies and the relative than brings the girl into the agency.

I think it looked much more like a case of the agency stepping in than anything else. She didn't disappear quickly. There was a good length of writing involved.

She disappeared sometime after the discussions started turning to things like yahoo messanger and her profile being manipulated by the agency (her age range of men etc).. which I questioned the agency about.

I personally think they got rid of her and her cousin because they were too much of a liability and weren't playing by the rules. Than just made up an excuse for he leaving.

p.s
those are hardly underwear pictures. :D

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 11:12 AM
I also knew of a guy who went to the Zhitomir branch of CC to meet with a girl (the same one I went to).

He ended up bringing her back as far as I know. She was not a scammer or anything. She did tell him bad things about the agency though while she was still over there. The agency than found out and were threatening her. They also proceeded to fire all the translators because while he was there he was getting info from the translators about the agency and some of the girls listed. Specifically that Daria P chic. The translators said she is a spoiled brat who gets paid by the agency to use her pics and such.

He also asked one of the translators about the girl I had visited. She said that she was ok just a little young.

I personally had no problems when I was there but ya if the agency can get away with it -- they will cheat you. Thats just the way it is for 90% of these agencies.

thatcrazy
05-29-2007, 11:12 AM
I also knew of a guy who went to the Zhitomir branch of CC to meet with a girl (the same one I went to).

He ended up bringing her back as far as I know. She was not a scammer or anything. She did tell him bad things about the agency though while she was still over there. The agency than found out and were threatening her. They also proceeded to fire all the translators because while he was there he was getting info from the translators about the agency and some of the girls listed. Specifically that Daria P chic. The translators said she is a spoiled brat who gets paid by the agency to use her pics and such.

He also asked one of the translators about the girl I had visited. She said that she was ok just a little young.

I personally had no problems when I was there but ya if the agency can get away with it -- they will cheat you. Thats just the way it is for 90% of these agencies.

ham
05-29-2007, 01:12 PM
i have no business in convincing you otherwise.
my opinion is it looks fishy and those letters hardly might come from a FSU-ESL teenager, according to many letters i've received.
But it is a current enough practice for girls ( especially popular ) to receive a % on the business they help generate.
If not a complete setup, it isn't hard to find pretty bored novelty seekers wanting to play MOB for a few dollars.
It is as well known many agencies organize "beauty pageant events" when girls are recruited, put through lots of hairstyling and makeup, and requested to pose for pictures in different attires...and even filming videos under different identities. With a few 100's the agency ends up with terabytes of data and all girls care for is getting paid at the end of it, however little.

ham
05-29-2007, 01:12 PM
i have no business in convincing you otherwise.
my opinion is it looks fishy and those letters hardly might come from a FSU-ESL teenager, according to many letters i've received.
But it is a current enough practice for girls ( especially popular ) to receive a % on the business they help generate.
If not a complete setup, it isn't hard to find pretty bored novelty seekers wanting to play MOB for a few dollars.
It is as well known many agencies organize "beauty pageant events" when girls are recruited, put through lots of hairstyling and makeup, and requested to pose for pictures in different attires...and even filming videos under different identities. With a few 100's the agency ends up with terabytes of data and all girls care for is getting paid at the end of it, however little.

Los Vengadores Gauchos
05-29-2007, 08:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

Hello guys...

as a comment...all girls are still on air at UAladys and ARladys...etc...
you just can not see their profiles unless they write to you the first letter...
but, if you have an old letter from elena gracheva 1586 or another girl that is not listed any longer at the site you can take a look at her pictures, profile, video, write to them, etc...

this is a new trick...but they are still active and making money from innocent men like I use to be before I found this site...

Los Vengadores Gauchos
05-29-2007, 08:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

Hello guys...

as a comment...all girls are still on air at UAladys and ARladys...etc...
you just can not see their profiles unless they write to you the first letter...
but, if you have an old letter from elena gracheva 1586 or another girl that is not listed any longer at the site you can take a look at her pictures, profile, video, write to them, etc...

this is a new trick...but they are still active and making money from innocent men like I use to be before I found this site...

Los Vengadores Gauchos
05-29-2007, 08:23 PM
Gentlemen,

Attencion!!! Please, please avoid them!!! All of you, please follow my previous advice!!! Please don't let your heart rule over your mind, and become heart broke. We gauchos are very strong, and need your help. Gracias por su ayuda.


Attention every man who has been to CC, FC and now you know the rest of the story. It is all a game cleverly designed to steal your money. I will not complain any longer. What you all need to do is go to the FBI website and state your case there. Your actions will shut down this fraudulent operation and we will finally see the tools of our labor pay off for all of us. Here is the website. http://www.ic3.gov/ Take action now. It is time for justice to be served. Get out of ThE MaTrIx and be heard!!!

Los Vengadores Gauchos
05-29-2007, 08:23 PM
Gentlemen,

Attencion!!! Please, please avoid them!!! All of you, please follow my previous advice!!! Please don't let your heart rule over your mind, and become heart broke. We gauchos are very strong, and need your help. Gracias por su ayuda.


Attention every man who has been to CC, FC and now you know the rest of the story. It is all a game cleverly designed to steal your money. I will not complain any longer. What you all need to do is go to the FBI website and state your case there. Your actions will shut down this fraudulent operation and we will finally see the tools of our labor pay off for all of us. Here is the website. http://www.ic3.gov/ Take action now. It is time for justice to be served. Get out of ThE MaTrIx and be heard!!!

thatcrazy
05-30-2007, 08:23 AM
in fact russian isn't like spanish and italian, when you can understand even if you don't know the other's language.
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Yes it is. It sounds much like Polish. I am German/Polish and can understand much of it because I knew Polish fluently when I was small.

thatcrazy
05-30-2007, 08:23 AM
in fact russian isn't like spanish and italian, when you can understand even if you don't know the other's language.
--------

Yes it is. It sounds much like Polish. I am German/Polish and can understand much of it because I knew Polish fluently when I was small.

Morgoth
05-30-2007, 10:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2679/small.jpg

From: Elena L. #2679
To: Eustace H. #128205
Subject: Do you remember me?:-)

Hi!Do yo know, I am looking at your picture right now, and I cant calm down, because I know I saw you already... But I cant remember where it was... Was that a dream or a vision [late night TV reruns perhaps]?.... Do you remember me?If you dont remember me, perhaps we should get acquainted a new?My name is Elena(If you dont remember me:-)). I divorced and raise a 9 year old daughter alone. Her name is Diana. I am a cheerful and optimistic person, but sometimes I can be shy. I don't like rudeness and selfishness.If you want to know more about myself, I will answer your questions with pleasure.Tell me about yourself, about your life and interests.Hope to hear from you soon.Elena



Hi Everybody,

There is anyone of you who received a letter from Elena ID 2679. Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man. Maybe her agency use her profile without her knowledge???

Give me news please....
Morgoth

Morgoth
05-30-2007, 10:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2679/small.jpg

From: Elena L. #2679
To: Eustace H. #128205
Subject: Do you remember me?:-)

Hi!Do yo know, I am looking at your picture right now, and I cant calm down, because I know I saw you already... But I cant remember where it was... Was that a dream or a vision [late night TV reruns perhaps]?.... Do you remember me?If you dont remember me, perhaps we should get acquainted a new?My name is Elena(If you dont remember me:-)). I divorced and raise a 9 year old daughter alone. Her name is Diana. I am a cheerful and optimistic person, but sometimes I can be shy. I don't like rudeness and selfishness.If you want to know more about myself, I will answer your questions with pleasure.Tell me about yourself, about your life and interests.Hope to hear from you soon.Elena



Hi Everybody,

There is anyone of you who received a letter from Elena ID 2679. Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man. Maybe her agency use her profile without her knowledge???

Give me news please....
Morgoth

BigD
05-30-2007, 05:04 PM
[/quote]
Hi Everybody,

There is anyone of you who received a letter from Elena ID 2679. Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man. Maybe her agency use her profile without her knowledge???

Give me news please....
Morgoth
[/quote]
Did she look like the picture? And I also think the agency does use these girls profiles without their knowledge. The sad part is then it makes it where you don't know so the best thing is to just stay away. I was corresponding with three girls and I confronted them about girls getting paid to write letters and not one denied it. But the letter I wrote and the letter they got, "Who knows what it said."

BigD
05-30-2007, 05:04 PM
[/quote]
Hi Everybody,

There is anyone of you who received a letter from Elena ID 2679. Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man. Maybe her agency use her profile without her knowledge???

Give me news please....
Morgoth
[/quote]
Did she look like the picture? And I also think the agency does use these girls profiles without their knowledge. The sad part is then it makes it where you don't know so the best thing is to just stay away. I was corresponding with three girls and I confronted them about girls getting paid to write letters and not one denied it. But the letter I wrote and the letter they got, "Who knows what it said."

thatcrazy
05-31-2007, 09:59 AM
I bet if I write to her right now she will reply. [8D]

But I dont feel like blowing $7. And I don't like woman with kids.

thatcrazy
05-31-2007, 09:59 AM
I bet if I write to her right now she will reply. [8D]

But I dont feel like blowing $7. And I don't like woman with kids.

Prometheus
06-01-2007, 02:07 AM
Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man.

Moron, I mean Morgoth... she already wrote to this man. Although, technically, she can't write to Eustace Haney, because he is a fictional character from the 1960's TV Comedy "Green Acres." Mr. Haney, who sold Oliver Douglas the Green Acres farm, was played by actor Pat Buttram who died in 1994. So she was really writing a dead actor. Feel better?

Eustace Haney's profile on UA Lady's says DO NOT WRITE ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST.

Do you think Eustace is the only one who got a letter from your sweety? He's probably one of hundreds who was spammed. Every man who wrote an email to Elena L. lost $7 but did get a reply.

So whether Elena L. is in on the scam or an innocent victim, what must be exposed is that UA Lady's is a money sucking scam machine.

Send me $7 and I'll write Elena L. for Eustace Haney. Bet she replies and forgets to mention her good friend with whom she is "very close." ;)

Prometheus
06-01-2007, 02:07 AM
Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man.

Moron, I mean Morgoth... she already wrote to this man. Although, technically, she can't write to Eustace Haney, because he is a fictional character from the 1960's TV Comedy "Green Acres." Mr. Haney, who sold Oliver Douglas the Green Acres farm, was played by actor Pat Buttram who died in 1994. So she was really writing a dead actor. Feel better?

Eustace Haney's profile on UA Lady's says DO NOT WRITE ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST.

Do you think Eustace is the only one who got a letter from your sweety? He's probably one of hundreds who was spammed. Every man who wrote an email to Elena L. lost $7 but did get a reply.

So whether Elena L. is in on the scam or an innocent victim, what must be exposed is that UA Lady's is a money sucking scam machine.

Send me $7 and I'll write Elena L. for Eustace Haney. Bet she replies and forgets to mention her good friend with whom she is "very close." ;)

ham
06-01-2007, 02:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man.

Moron, I mean Morgoth... she already wrote to this man. Although, technically, she can't write to Eustace Haney, because he is a fictional character from the 1960's TV Comedy "Green Acres." Mr. Haney, who sold Oliver Douglas the Green Acres farm, was played by actor Pat Buttram who died in 1994. So she was really writing a dead actor. Feel better?

Eustace Haney's profile on UA Lady's says DO NOT WRITE ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST.

Do you think Eustace is the only one who got a letter from your sweety? He's probably one of hundreds who was spammed. Every man who wrote an email to Elena L. lost $7 but did get a reply.

So whether Elena L. is in on the scam or an innocent victim, what must be exposed is that UA Lady's is a money sucking scam machine.

Send me $7 and I'll write Elena L. for Eustace Haney. Bet she replies and forgets to mention her good friend with whom she is "very close." ;)


I think the poster might have met the woman, irrespective of who was actually corresponding with him (probably a "friendly translator" ).
Here years ago we had a small time dating dealer who organized tours for Italians to Leningrad & other cities.
This dating dealer worked himself out of business in a couple years.
Now his scheme was so simple it shocks me how clients didn't grow wise immediately.
He fed men lines about how FSUWs this and FSUWs that, ok.
He said he would help men tour the most reputable dating agencies in the city.
Every date men attended with women costed 30$ -thirty-, then he made clear that after that, it was your/her problem whether to pursue the relationship or else.
It is stupidly easy to guess the 30$ were shared among him, the agency [u]AND THE ATTENDING GIRLS.</u>
Which girl wouldn't meet ANYONE for a cup of coffee or a night out for $5?
Here in Italy one gets walk-in dating agencies with fees from 1000?+.
This is not Uzbekistan, but there are many more men than women into that and many women's profiles are fake, so agencies often hire ringers and "jollies" to "date" their clients at least once ( for 20-30?), so that they can acquit themselves honorably of the deal. Of course one'd never see the woman again, but the agency could ooze success and shift the blame on the man, the real loser.
As someone wrote: he met all those charming ladies interested in fancy restaurants & shopping but always very busy afterwards

ham
06-01-2007, 02:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man.

Moron, I mean Morgoth... she already wrote to this man. Although, technically, she can't write to Eustace Haney, because he is a fictional character from the 1960's TV Comedy "Green Acres." Mr. Haney, who sold Oliver Douglas the Green Acres farm, was played by actor Pat Buttram who died in 1994. So she was really writing a dead actor. Feel better?

Eustace Haney's profile on UA Lady's says DO NOT WRITE ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST.

Do you think Eustace is the only one who got a letter from your sweety? He's probably one of hundreds who was spammed. Every man who wrote an email to Elena L. lost $7 but did get a reply.

So whether Elena L. is in on the scam or an innocent victim, what must be exposed is that UA Lady's is a money sucking scam machine.

Send me $7 and I'll write Elena L. for Eustace Haney. Bet she replies and forgets to mention her good friend with whom she is "very close." ;)


I think the poster might have met the woman, irrespective of who was actually corresponding with him (probably a "friendly translator" ).
Here years ago we had a small time dating dealer who organized tours for Italians to Leningrad & other cities.
This dating dealer worked himself out of business in a couple years.
Now his scheme was so simple it shocks me how clients didn't grow wise immediately.
He fed men lines about how FSUWs this and FSUWs that, ok.
He said he would help men tour the most reputable dating agencies in the city.
Every date men attended with women costed 30$ -thirty-, then he made clear that after that, it was your/her problem whether to pursue the relationship or else.
It is stupidly easy to guess the 30$ were shared among him, the agency [u]AND THE ATTENDING GIRLS.</u>
Which girl wouldn't meet ANYONE for a cup of coffee or a night out for $5?
Here in Italy one gets walk-in dating agencies with fees from 1000?+.
This is not Uzbekistan, but there are many more men than women into that and many women's profiles are fake, so agencies often hire ringers and "jollies" to "date" their clients at least once ( for 20-30?), so that they can acquit themselves honorably of the deal. Of course one'd never see the woman again, but the agency could ooze success and shift the blame on the man, the real loser.
As someone wrote: he met all those charming ladies interested in fancy restaurants & shopping but always very busy afterwards

Morgoth
06-01-2007, 08:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man.

Moron, I mean Morgoth... she already wrote to this man. Although, technically, she can't write to Eustace Haney, because he is a fictional character from the 1960's TV Comedy "Green Acres." Mr. Haney, who sold Oliver Douglas the Green Acres farm, was played by actor Pat Buttram who died in 1994. So she was really writing a dead actor. Feel better?

Eustace Haney's profile on UA Lady's says DO NOT WRITE ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST.

Do you think Eustace is the only one who got a letter from your sweety? He's probably one of hundreds who was spammed. Every man who wrote an email to Elena L. lost $7 but did get a reply.

So whether Elena L. is in on the scam or an innocent victim, what must be exposed is that UA Lady's is a money sucking scam machine.

Send me $7 and I'll write Elena L. for Eustace Haney. Bet she replies and forgets to mention her good friend with whom she is "very close." ;)


Hi Prometeus,
First, I already know Green Acres and M. Haney...... I have 41 old.... I know this is a fake, I'M not so moron.... I can create a fake profile too. The problem is not the fake profile or not. I don't know if it's written into the profile of M. Haney a girl will see ''write to me if you are a scam artist....'' Anyway, I will go to Ukraine this summer and I will have a big talk with her and the agency.....
Morgoth

Morgoth
06-01-2007, 08:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Because I meet her already few times in Ukraine and she is legit. We are very close and I don't think she will write to this man.

Moron, I mean Morgoth... she already wrote to this man. Although, technically, she can't write to Eustace Haney, because he is a fictional character from the 1960's TV Comedy "Green Acres." Mr. Haney, who sold Oliver Douglas the Green Acres farm, was played by actor Pat Buttram who died in 1994. So she was really writing a dead actor. Feel better?

Eustace Haney's profile on UA Lady's says DO NOT WRITE ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST.

Do you think Eustace is the only one who got a letter from your sweety? He's probably one of hundreds who was spammed. Every man who wrote an email to Elena L. lost $7 but did get a reply.

So whether Elena L. is in on the scam or an innocent victim, what must be exposed is that UA Lady's is a money sucking scam machine.

Send me $7 and I'll write Elena L. for Eustace Haney. Bet she replies and forgets to mention her good friend with whom she is "very close." ;)


Hi Prometeus,
First, I already know Green Acres and M. Haney...... I have 41 old.... I know this is a fake, I'M not so moron.... I can create a fake profile too. The problem is not the fake profile or not. I don't know if it's written into the profile of M. Haney a girl will see ''write to me if you are a scam artist....'' Anyway, I will go to Ukraine this summer and I will have a big talk with her and the agency.....
Morgoth

ham
06-01-2007, 09:37 AM
quote: I have 41 old

are you a russian speaker perchance?

ham
06-01-2007, 09:37 AM
quote: I have 41 old

are you a russian speaker perchance?

Morgoth
06-02-2007, 02:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote: I have 41 old

are you a russian speaker perchance?


Hi Ham,

No I'm not russian speaker, just few words, I'm French (From Quebec)speaking....
I meet her more than once in Ukraine, She is real, like others that I meet in the past. But I think Prometeus can be right, Anyway, I will go in Ukraine this summer and I will confront her with that. I will keep you in touch for what happening....
Morgoth

Morgoth
06-02-2007, 02:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by ham


quote: I have 41 old

are you a russian speaker perchance?


Hi Ham,

No I'm not russian speaker, just few words, I'm French (From Quebec)speaking....
I meet her more than once in Ukraine, She is real, like others that I meet in the past. But I think Prometeus can be right, Anyway, I will go in Ukraine this summer and I will confront her with that. I will keep you in touch for what happening....
Morgoth

Prometheus
06-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Mr. Haney strikes again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!


http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1865/small.jpg

From: Irina M. #1865
To: Eustace H. #128205
Subject: I am looking for my prince....

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR IRINA

Hello dear Eustace!

I liked your profile very much and I would like to learn you better. I wan to know everything about you. Your habits and hobbies, everything is interesting for me. [Mr. Haney's profile says "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time."] Do you like sports? What is your attitude to the rest at the seaside? I wan to know if you have children and if you have then how do you spend time with them? Please write about your parents. Do you enjoy your work and what do you do?

If you are interested in anything, please ask, I will gladly answer. I wish to love and to be loved, to take care about my man and to be the faithful and responsible wife. I wan to fall asleep and to wake up in the arms of my beloved one and to see him sleeping and to say him in the morning: ?Good morning, my love?.

In my husband I wish to feel responsibility. I want to be valued and respected. I want the piece and understanding to prevail in my family. I want my love to give me confidence to my husband's life and I will be happy near him.

I greatly wish my interest to appear mutual.

With the hope to get a letter from you?

Ira

Prometheus
06-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Mr. Haney strikes again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!


http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1865/small.jpg

From: Irina M. #1865
To: Eustace H. #128205
Subject: I am looking for my prince....

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR IRINA

Hello dear Eustace!

I liked your profile very much and I would like to learn you better. I wan to know everything about you. Your habits and hobbies, everything is interesting for me. [Mr. Haney's profile says "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time."] Do you like sports? What is your attitude to the rest at the seaside? I wan to know if you have children and if you have then how do you spend time with them? Please write about your parents. Do you enjoy your work and what do you do?

If you are interested in anything, please ask, I will gladly answer. I wish to love and to be loved, to take care about my man and to be the faithful and responsible wife. I wan to fall asleep and to wake up in the arms of my beloved one and to see him sleeping and to say him in the morning: ?Good morning, my love?.

In my husband I wish to feel responsibility. I want to be valued and respected. I want the piece and understanding to prevail in my family. I want my love to give me confidence to my husband's life and I will be happy near him.

I greatly wish my interest to appear mutual.

With the hope to get a letter from you?

Ira

redprince
06-15-2007, 07:19 AM
Dear all,
I have been writing to a girl that some others have mentioned here.They have claimed to have received identical letters
which is alarming.However when i asked her if she was writing to anyone else (before i read this) she admitted she was writing to 2 others.Basically they are keeping their options open and i dont have a problem with that.Her letters to me have been consistent and she answers my questions and vice versa-she is pretty and it would be naive to think she wasnt getting attention from elsewhere.
I think we all pay our money and take our chance.Its a gamble for sure.You have to be honest with yourself and realistic too.

redprince
06-15-2007, 07:19 AM
Dear all,
I have been writing to a girl that some others have mentioned here.They have claimed to have received identical letters
which is alarming.However when i asked her if she was writing to anyone else (before i read this) she admitted she was writing to 2 others.Basically they are keeping their options open and i dont have a problem with that.Her letters to me have been consistent and she answers my questions and vice versa-she is pretty and it would be naive to think she wasnt getting attention from elsewhere.
I think we all pay our money and take our chance.Its a gamble for sure.You have to be honest with yourself and realistic too.

Morgoth
06-15-2007, 08:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by redprince

Dear all,
I have been writing to a girl that some others have mentioned here.They have claimed to have received identical letters
which is alarming.However when i asked her if she was writing to anyone else (before i read this) she admitted she was writing to 2 others.Basically they are keeping their options open and i dont have a problem with that.Her letters to me have been consistent and she answers my questions and vice versa-she is pretty and it would be naive to think she wasnt getting attention from elsewhere.
I think we all pay our money and take our chance.Its a gamble for sure.You have to be honest with yourself and realistic too.

Who is the other girl who write to you? I understand and agree about all the options open for them as for us. But the problem is if you have supposely a serious relationship with a girl and she said you are the only one and she write to others, how will be the relationship after marriage? If she is unable to be faithful before marriage how can she will be faithful after marriage?
A sharp true is better than a sweet lie....
Morgoth

Morgoth
06-15-2007, 08:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by redprince

Dear all,
I have been writing to a girl that some others have mentioned here.They have claimed to have received identical letters
which is alarming.However when i asked her if she was writing to anyone else (before i read this) she admitted she was writing to 2 others.Basically they are keeping their options open and i dont have a problem with that.Her letters to me have been consistent and she answers my questions and vice versa-she is pretty and it would be naive to think she wasnt getting attention from elsewhere.
I think we all pay our money and take our chance.Its a gamble for sure.You have to be honest with yourself and realistic too.

Who is the other girl who write to you? I understand and agree about all the options open for them as for us. But the problem is if you have supposely a serious relationship with a girl and she said you are the only one and she write to others, how will be the relationship after marriage? If she is unable to be faithful before marriage how can she will be faithful after marriage?
A sharp true is better than a sweet lie....
Morgoth

redprince
06-15-2007, 10:35 AM
Morgoth- i never claimed to have a special relationship with her, nor for that matter her with me.I am sure she will keep her options open (and i told her i knew this) until she has a ring on her finger.



To be honest if she told me she wasnt writing to anyone else i would be more worried!!!!

redprince
06-15-2007, 10:35 AM
Morgoth- i never claimed to have a special relationship with her, nor for that matter her with me.I am sure she will keep her options open (and i told her i knew this) until she has a ring on her finger.



To be honest if she told me she wasnt writing to anyone else i would be more worried!!!!

Morgoth
06-15-2007, 05:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by redprince

Morgoth- i never claimed to have a special relationship with her, nor for that matter her with me.I am sure she will keep her options open (and i told her i knew this) until she has a ring on her finger.



To be honest if she told me she wasnt writing to anyone else i would be more worried!!!!

Red Prince,
I gave a ring to a lady there, last winter, I just want to be sure we don't talk about the same girl....
Morgoth

Morgoth
06-15-2007, 05:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by redprince

Morgoth- i never claimed to have a special relationship with her, nor for that matter her with me.I am sure she will keep her options open (and i told her i knew this) until she has a ring on her finger.



To be honest if she told me she wasnt writing to anyone else i would be more worried!!!!

Red Prince,
I gave a ring to a lady there, last winter, I just want to be sure we don't talk about the same girl....
Morgoth

redprince
06-16-2007, 10:25 AM
Morgoth tell me the name / number of the lady and i will confirm whether it is the same one.

Kind regards
redprince

redprince
06-16-2007, 10:25 AM
Morgoth tell me the name / number of the lady and i will confirm whether it is the same one.

Kind regards
redprince

Morgoth
06-16-2007, 12:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by redprince

Morgoth tell me the name / number of the lady and i will confirm whether it is the same one.

Kind regards
redprince

I send you an email with the informations that you request. Did you received it?
Morgoth

Morgoth
06-16-2007, 12:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by redprince

Morgoth tell me the name / number of the lady and i will confirm whether it is the same one.

Kind regards
redprince

I send you an email with the informations that you request. Did you received it?
Morgoth

redprince
06-16-2007, 04:10 PM
Please send again

redprince
06-16-2007, 04:10 PM
Please send again

Prometheus
06-18-2007, 12:44 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!

Mr. Haney of Hooterville, say that he is 64 years old. "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time." His profile concludes "This is a test. DO NOT CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST." That did not deter these two...

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2558/small.jpg
From: Tatyana E. #2558
Subject: Look at me!:-)

Hi..Do you think I can be interesting for you?:-) I hope so.I will not describe my character here, anyway its very difficult to describe yourslef objectively, but I hope you will be interested to learn it by yourslef.I would be happy to communicate and to meet in future. Are you interested? Be happy and drop me a line, if you want our communication to go on :) Take good care about youself! Warmly, Tanya

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1884/small.jpg
From: Marina M. #1884
Subject: I want to know more about you...............

Hello Eustace!

I saw your profile and decided to write to you.

I'd like to tell a bit about me. I was born in the family of teachers. I have two older brothers and a sister. After graduation from the school I studied at Patent and Computer College, then at the Economical University. I have a diploma of an economist.

Now I work as a shop assistant for women's shoes. I like my work and communication with people. I enjoy helping people to choose what they want.

I live together with my daughter. I've never been married before. Her father doesn't see her at all and doesn't want to know about her. The most important thing for me is to give her my parents' care, both for mother and for father. I consider myself to be a good mother. I have strength as for my child so as for my work so far.

I like the house to be tidy, clothes to be clean. I like cooking as well.

Among my friends and relatives I'm cheerful, communicative and happy person. I can communicate on any topic. I'm witty. With me people won't feel themselves lonely. Children love me very much and I love them. For me children are pure and not spoiled by the life creatures.

My personal life doesn't come around so far. I want to meet a man with whom I could feel myself to be a woman, usual tender, caring and loving woman.

If you are eager to send your reply to me I would be very glad and I'll answer all your questions.

Have a nice day!

Sincerely,

Marina

Prometheus
06-18-2007, 12:44 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!

Mr. Haney of Hooterville, say that he is 64 years old. "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time." His profile concludes "This is a test. DO NOT CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST." That did not deter these two...

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2558/small.jpg
From: Tatyana E. #2558
Subject: Look at me!:-)

Hi..Do you think I can be interesting for you?:-) I hope so.I will not describe my character here, anyway its very difficult to describe yourslef objectively, but I hope you will be interested to learn it by yourslef.I would be happy to communicate and to meet in future. Are you interested? Be happy and drop me a line, if you want our communication to go on :) Take good care about youself! Warmly, Tanya

Eustace, you have a new mail!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1884/small.jpg
From: Marina M. #1884
Subject: I want to know more about you...............

Hello Eustace!

I saw your profile and decided to write to you.

I'd like to tell a bit about me. I was born in the family of teachers. I have two older brothers and a sister. After graduation from the school I studied at Patent and Computer College, then at the Economical University. I have a diploma of an economist.

Now I work as a shop assistant for women's shoes. I like my work and communication with people. I enjoy helping people to choose what they want.

I live together with my daughter. I've never been married before. Her father doesn't see her at all and doesn't want to know about her. The most important thing for me is to give her my parents' care, both for mother and for father. I consider myself to be a good mother. I have strength as for my child so as for my work so far.

I like the house to be tidy, clothes to be clean. I like cooking as well.

Among my friends and relatives I'm cheerful, communicative and happy person. I can communicate on any topic. I'm witty. With me people won't feel themselves lonely. Children love me very much and I love them. For me children are pure and not spoiled by the life creatures.

My personal life doesn't come around so far. I want to meet a man with whom I could feel myself to be a woman, usual tender, caring and loving woman.

If you are eager to send your reply to me I would be very glad and I'll answer all your questions.

Have a nice day!

Sincerely,

Marina

dreamsr
06-19-2007, 01:58 AM
I notice you seem to be predominantly concerned about ualadys but what of arladys? Is it the same sory here also? I have been corresponding with Natali #5117 has anyone else been doing the same?

dreamsr
06-19-2007, 01:58 AM
I notice you seem to be predominantly concerned about ualadys but what of arladys? Is it the same sory here also? I have been corresponding with Natali #5117 has anyone else been doing the same?

Silver
06-19-2007, 03:27 AM
Hi dreamsr...

the first time I knew about Natali, was about one year ago when she joined to arladys...
in fact...she was my first option last year...or at least I wish she were...
she is maybe the most beautiful and sexy girl in all sites...(ualadys, arladys, brideladys, ruladys...)

I exchanged correspondence with her and we became very close friends and a little more than that until I found this site...

I told her about this forum and after several letters where she tried to prove me that she is for real I stopped writing to her but, she still writes to me once in a while and you know what???....her letters seems to be pretty genuine for me...she has invited me in several ways to visit her...last time I received a letter from her was a couple of weeks ago...and her letters are very consistent...even when I do not answer to her any longer...

it is very cheap to fly to buenos aires and rosario is very near from there, I speak spanish so, I can easily get there any day but, in my own experience, I know that ualays and arladys are part of a fraud operation and I have proofs of that...I have a couple of stories from both sites that I can share with you or any one else...

so, it does not matter how genuine Natali could seems to me...
I just wont take the chance to visit her or any other girl listed on air in a fraudulent site...
because there is no warranty of anything...except, that all these sites are a vast fraud operation...

if you want some more info feel free to contact me...

Silver

p.s. by the way, Natali is not listed on air...if she does not write to you...you can not see her profile...
I am wondering why...???...any clue...?

Silver
06-19-2007, 03:27 AM
Hi dreamsr...

the first time I knew about Natali, was about one year ago when she joined to arladys...
in fact...she was my first option last year...or at least I wish she were...
she is maybe the most beautiful and sexy girl in all sites...(ualadys, arladys, brideladys, ruladys...)

I exchanged correspondence with her and we became very close friends and a little more than that until I found this site...

I told her about this forum and after several letters where she tried to prove me that she is for real I stopped writing to her but, she still writes to me once in a while and you know what???....her letters seems to be pretty genuine for me...she has invited me in several ways to visit her...last time I received a letter from her was a couple of weeks ago...and her letters are very consistent...even when I do not answer to her any longer...

it is very cheap to fly to buenos aires and rosario is very near from there, I speak spanish so, I can easily get there any day but, in my own experience, I know that ualays and arladys are part of a fraud operation and I have proofs of that...I have a couple of stories from both sites that I can share with you or any one else...

so, it does not matter how genuine Natali could seems to me...
I just wont take the chance to visit her or any other girl listed on air in a fraudulent site...
because there is no warranty of anything...except, that all these sites are a vast fraud operation...

if you want some more info feel free to contact me...

Silver

p.s. by the way, Natali is not listed on air...if she does not write to you...you can not see her profile...
I am wondering why...???...any clue...?

dreamsr
06-19-2007, 11:03 PM
I had no clue she wasn't listed. She wrote to me first. I agree with you her letters do flow and are consistent with whatever you say to her, but such is life. I guess... too good to be true! I wouldn't mind getting some more information about her go ahead and email me with the info.

The reason she isn't listed could be because she is genuine but is there such a thing on that site? It would have been interesting if you had actually visited her to see if she really exists. She did tell me she had a bestfriend and told me a name so when you send your info we can exchange and see if anything matches.

dreamsr
06-19-2007, 11:03 PM
I had no clue she wasn't listed. She wrote to me first. I agree with you her letters do flow and are consistent with whatever you say to her, but such is life. I guess... too good to be true! I wouldn't mind getting some more information about her go ahead and email me with the info.

The reason she isn't listed could be because she is genuine but is there such a thing on that site? It would have been interesting if you had actually visited her to see if she really exists. She did tell me she had a bestfriend and told me a name so when you send your info we can exchange and see if anything matches.

Silver
06-20-2007, 04:09 AM
Dreamsr...

if you have some particular questions about arladys or Natali...
I will share all what I know with you...
but, if you do not ask me for something in particular...

the only thing I can tell you it is that...
arladys is a fraud operation...
I know it in my own experience, I have proofs of that...besides there are several stories in this and some other forums where some guys after a positive correspondence during months with ladys from fianceeconnections now arladys they went to buenos aires to meet those ladies in person but that never happened because the site could not contacted those girls...why???...make your own conclusions...

by the way, all my respects for Natali...I have no complains about her...
maybe she is genuine...I do not know..there is no way to know it until you get there...
but, she is using the services of a fraudulent site and that is enough for me to stop writing to her..to stop using the services of such fraudulent site...

if you do not want to believe that nothing in this sites is for real (arladys, ualadys, ruladys, brladys)...except the money you spend for nothing...
it is up to you to take the chance to meet Natali in person...she is extremely beautiful...

Silver...

P.S. there are some girls in ualdys and arladys that are not listed on air...even when they are active and this is not because they are genuine...this is a new trick from our old well known fraudulent site ualdys, arladys, etc...to prevent anybody who can read this or other forums to take a look at the profiles of their most famous girls.

Silver
06-20-2007, 04:09 AM
Dreamsr...

if you have some particular questions about arladys or Natali...
I will share all what I know with you...
but, if you do not ask me for something in particular...

the only thing I can tell you it is that...
arladys is a fraud operation...
I know it in my own experience, I have proofs of that...besides there are several stories in this and some other forums where some guys after a positive correspondence during months with ladys from fianceeconnections now arladys they went to buenos aires to meet those ladies in person but that never happened because the site could not contacted those girls...why???...make your own conclusions...

by the way, all my respects for Natali...I have no complains about her...
maybe she is genuine...I do not know..there is no way to know it until you get there...
but, she is using the services of a fraudulent site and that is enough for me to stop writing to her..to stop using the services of such fraudulent site...

if you do not want to believe that nothing in this sites is for real (arladys, ualadys, ruladys, brladys)...except the money you spend for nothing...
it is up to you to take the chance to meet Natali in person...she is extremely beautiful...

Silver...

P.S. there are some girls in ualdys and arladys that are not listed on air...even when they are active and this is not because they are genuine...this is a new trick from our old well known fraudulent site ualdys, arladys, etc...to prevent anybody who can read this or other forums to take a look at the profiles of their most famous girls.

dreamsr
06-21-2007, 12:23 AM
So Silver when the men go To Buenos Aries the ladies disappear into thin air. HAHAHAH Well I wonder why CC under these various other names have been allowed to get away with so much fraud over the years. Hopefully someday justice will be served.

dreamsr
06-21-2007, 12:23 AM
So Silver when the men go To Buenos Aries the ladies disappear into thin air. HAHAHAH Well I wonder why CC under these various other names have been allowed to get away with so much fraud over the years. Hopefully someday justice will be served.

Prometheus
06-21-2007, 02:31 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!

Mr. Haney of Hooterville, says that he is 64 years old. "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time." His profile concludes "This is a test. DO NOT CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST." As part of an ongoing public service announcement...

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/7756/small.jpg
From: Irina K. #7756

21 June 2007

Subject: Let's make our first step together and we will open the beautiful and undiscovered life full of


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TRANSLATED FOR IRINA To the man I was looking for so long time Hello Eustace H. !!! It is rain...Very cold and heavy rain, and I am alone in the street, walking to nowhere without any purpose and sense for life! Cold and sharp drops of rain beat my body and I see them flowing down on my dress and body and it makes me feel lonely! I keep on walking...there is nobody outside and all people stay at their homes, in warm and friendly atmosphere of a family where they feel the deep love and respect and they are in need! The road is wet and numerous puddles wet my feet! I feel like the cold reaches my heart from the feet, and I can't sense anything since this time! My life is empty, I don't have anybody to take care about me, to take me away from this awful lonely street and to bring a cup of hot tea, and whisper sweet nothings into my ear! And what I see now is some lights in the windows of the multistory houses which are standing like a huge giants, the witnesses of my spoiled life, my loneliness! The trees have lost their leaves a long time ago and they turned from the majestic creatures of nature into pity-looking outline of the real beautiful plant! I feel that we have a lot in common with them... and it is funny for me! A sweet and wonderful music, a solo on the violin....What is it? Is it my mind or a real music which comes from somewhere I can't hear well! My heart starts melting, because only a music and love can recover it from the sadness and loneliness! I wonder about that musician who creates these amazing sounds, who could wake me up from the dull spirit, who has brought me to life? It is you, my dear stranger, and I realized that you have been living in my heart for all my life, and now I am as close to you as ever! Let's write our own melody of life, a real and strong love! The whole world should listen to it, and we will become a great example of a true love, which we have found here! You are my musician!!! And let me become yours, and together we will perform our splendid love song! [Editor's note: Ever seen a 26 year old woman and a 64 year old man perfom a "splendid love song"? Not for the weak of stomach.] May be I am that special lady who will change your life and fill it with the ocean of romanticism?! [Or perhaps I will just drain your wallet for $7 fraudulent emails, then disappear when you fly to visit me] Let's try... Irina

Prometheus
06-21-2007, 02:31 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!

Mr. Haney of Hooterville, says that he is 64 years old. "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time." His profile concludes "This is a test. DO NOT CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST." As part of an ongoing public service announcement...

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/7756/small.jpg
From: Irina K. #7756

21 June 2007

Subject: Let's make our first step together and we will open the beautiful and undiscovered life full of


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TRANSLATED FOR IRINA To the man I was looking for so long time Hello Eustace H. !!! It is rain...Very cold and heavy rain, and I am alone in the street, walking to nowhere without any purpose and sense for life! Cold and sharp drops of rain beat my body and I see them flowing down on my dress and body and it makes me feel lonely! I keep on walking...there is nobody outside and all people stay at their homes, in warm and friendly atmosphere of a family where they feel the deep love and respect and they are in need! The road is wet and numerous puddles wet my feet! I feel like the cold reaches my heart from the feet, and I can't sense anything since this time! My life is empty, I don't have anybody to take care about me, to take me away from this awful lonely street and to bring a cup of hot tea, and whisper sweet nothings into my ear! And what I see now is some lights in the windows of the multistory houses which are standing like a huge giants, the witnesses of my spoiled life, my loneliness! The trees have lost their leaves a long time ago and they turned from the majestic creatures of nature into pity-looking outline of the real beautiful plant! I feel that we have a lot in common with them... and it is funny for me! A sweet and wonderful music, a solo on the violin....What is it? Is it my mind or a real music which comes from somewhere I can't hear well! My heart starts melting, because only a music and love can recover it from the sadness and loneliness! I wonder about that musician who creates these amazing sounds, who could wake me up from the dull spirit, who has brought me to life? It is you, my dear stranger, and I realized that you have been living in my heart for all my life, and now I am as close to you as ever! Let's write our own melody of life, a real and strong love! The whole world should listen to it, and we will become a great example of a true love, which we have found here! You are my musician!!! And let me become yours, and together we will perform our splendid love song! [Editor's note: Ever seen a 26 year old woman and a 64 year old man perfom a "splendid love song"? Not for the weak of stomach.] May be I am that special lady who will change your life and fill it with the ocean of romanticism?! [Or perhaps I will just drain your wallet for $7 fraudulent emails, then disappear when you fly to visit me] Let's try... Irina

ham
06-21-2007, 07:11 PM
quote:It is rain...Very cold and heavy rain, and I am alone in the street, walking to nowhere without any purpose and sense for life! Cold and sharp drops of rain beat my body and I see them flowing down on my dress and body and it makes me feel lonely! I keep on walking...there is nobody outside and all people stay at their homes BLAH BLAH


NO WAY one's average ESL FSUW could concoct this bizarre mixture of postmodern allegories/metaphors...that is canned junk from the pen of a skilled "friendly translator".
Stupendous to hear, but come think of it...it means nothing.
Besides, a 26yo cutie eager to elope with a long deceased sitcom charachter who was 64yo in the early 1960s tell you a long story...yet how many men are wiring WU cash to pics of Meg Ryan or Laetitia Casta...

ham
06-21-2007, 07:11 PM
quote:It is rain...Very cold and heavy rain, and I am alone in the street, walking to nowhere without any purpose and sense for life! Cold and sharp drops of rain beat my body and I see them flowing down on my dress and body and it makes me feel lonely! I keep on walking...there is nobody outside and all people stay at their homes BLAH BLAH


NO WAY one's average ESL FSUW could concoct this bizarre mixture of postmodern allegories/metaphors...that is canned junk from the pen of a skilled "friendly translator".
Stupendous to hear, but come think of it...it means nothing.
Besides, a 26yo cutie eager to elope with a long deceased sitcom charachter who was 64yo in the early 1960s tell you a long story...yet how many men are wiring WU cash to pics of Meg Ryan or Laetitia Casta...

Prometheus
06-22-2007, 12:59 PM
The UALadys.com server went completely down today. We can only hope it will be for good.

Prometheus
06-22-2007, 12:59 PM
The UALadys.com server went completely down today. We can only hope it will be for good.

dreamsr
06-23-2007, 12:35 AM
Probably changing the name again...

dreamsr
06-23-2007, 12:35 AM
Probably changing the name again...

Prometheus
06-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/12/128205/small.jpg
Eustace, you have a new mail!

Mr. Haney of Hooterville, says that he is 64 years old. "I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time." His profile concludes "This is a test. DO NOT CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST." As part of an ongoing public service announcement...


http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1898/small.jpg
From: Ann C. #1898 (age 25)

29 June 2007

Subject: Waiting for you, dear Eustace!!!!


THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR ANNA

Hello Dear Eustace!

I saw your profile and decided to know you better.

Let me introduce myself.

My name is Ann. I am 24 years old. I'm young and beautiful girl.

I graduated the University and now I work as an office-manager in a big building company. I spend a lot of time at my job. Career plays a very important role in my life.

I joined this agency, because I want to meet my second half. I want to create my own family.

I want to come back home and know that I will spend free time with my beloved man.

I want to enjoy the life with him.

I dream to have happy relationships and I think that people should build the relationships step by step.

I hope that we will continue our correspondence, and you will tell me more about yourself.

You are a very attractive man.

If you want to know me better, write me...

With the best wishes.

Yours Anna

Prometheus
06-29-2007, 01:41 PM
Note that Ann C. #1898's profile says she is 25 years old, but her letter to Mr. Haney says she is 24 years old. Think that one has been circulated a few times??? ;)

ham
06-29-2007, 03:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

Note that Ann C. #1898's profile says she is 25 years old, but her letter to Mr. Haney says she is 24 years old. Think that one has been circulated a few times??? ;)


It has been demonstrated agencies trade databases beyond one's wildest beliefs.
Given that a sizeable percentage of correspondences out there are forged (see this example of beauty queens writind deceased sitcom charachters of the 1960s three times their age, who want "only scam artists" ), it doesn't really matter whether the database has been around 2, 5 or 12 years.
Many agencies face this factor, and promise to credit 3, 5 or even 10 "new" addresses in case one "demonstrates" his to be inaccurate.
Besides the point of how hard might be to "demonstrate" the address is bad, it shows agencies must face the issue but prefer junk databases bought for pennies.

haw
07-07-2007, 06:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by Ding dong

Im interested to know if ANYONE is communicating with girls from either Sumi, or Kremenuch branches.I have dicovered something, and although I would rather not say at this point, I know that once proven, you guys will be VERY interested to hear about it!!Feel free to contact me on the email adress given,or just post on this site.Just to let you know Im a P.I. and using my resorces I have found some very interesting things!Im interested too if anyone has actual names and contact details of ANY of the ladies, as well as anyone who has actually been to either of these agencies.
Lets kick some...!


Hi there,
We were in Sumy last year and spent some time in the office. One of the translators working there, had read my profile and approached me = she is a real girl. My travel-mate had made plans with a girl, who was taken ill, when we got there!!!. And it was not the usual head ache, but TBC. We can't prove anything here, and there are some signs that she was really ill, but then again...
So we took the UAL-translator and another real UAL-beauty to dinner, a girl I had written just to have a double date with my travel partners date.
We took them to a sushi place, had a really nice evening (they ate sushi really bravely and as if they had never seen food before!).
We have been to the offices in Simferopol, Lutsk, Sumy & Poltava, met a number of girls between the two of us, been to the head office in Kharlow (had lunch with the lovely trip coordinator).
I'll be glad to try to straighten some question marks for you.

Prometheus
07-10-2007, 07:28 AM
UALADYS.COM = ABSOLUTE FRAUD

Here is a fake profile that Ualadys.com has resurrected from the Confidential Connections archives.

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/3046/small.jpg

Anna N. # 3046

http://www.ualadys.com/photo2.rpx?id=3046

She is Anna Negoda, a real person, but a professional model from the Ukraine with no need for an introduction service. Her online portfolio photos and the photos at the agency are the same. The trouble is, she hasn't been 23 for quite a few years!

http://www.modelbank.com.ua/english/personal.phtml?id=345&PHPSESSID=a483e1bcd1503f8e9b0836f78984987b

This fake profile was in the CC stable years ago. When I started coming up with all of these Google hits for "her," she complimented me for being "clever" and ceased communicating. The profile was taken down shortly after.

Desparate times call for desparate measures. Ualadys.com is desparate... FOR YOUR MONEY.

Prometheus
07-10-2007, 09:04 AM
More about Anna Negoda #3046

http://www.odessapassage.com/models/sharm/index.php3?str=503-504-505&flag=1

http://uaportal.com/eng/Lady/2007/17_06.html

http://www.modelbank.com.ua/russian/personal.phtml?id=345

http://dom.uaportal.com/Lady/gallery/06.2007/index.html (#17)

http://www.courier.lg.ua/29/site/news.html

Today's beauty pagent runner up, Anna Negoda, is not a newcomer to modeling. The model contest in Rostov Anya joined in the top ten. The winners received a lot finalistki and prizes. And, the higher your title, the more expensive the jewelry. A generous sponsor presented one participant with a colour TV. The competition is far from the last. The modeling agency is Sharm.

www.courier.lg.ua/43/site/news.html

Top Lugansk model Anna Negoda won a title. She is with Sharm, Lugansk

ham
07-10-2007, 06:18 PM
What a fraud!
Internet dating is the land of phoneys!
Last time i browsed through a CANADIAN niche dating site for French-speakers, out of a few dozens profiles, roughly 1/3 was either model pictures or duplicate profiles (same photo, different identity ).

ham
07-10-2007, 06:22 PM
quote:I'll be glad to try to straighten some question marks for you.


hey...since they appear to have lots of professional models on their site, can you arrange a meeting with Milla Jovovich for me? But hey! Remember! I am a old fashioned gent & expect high morals, cooking & knitting as main hobbies...since Milla played Saint Joan of Arc ( what an affront! ), reading the bible shouldn't cause problems, right?
[:o)][:o)]

Prometheus
07-10-2007, 08:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by ham

[quote]
hey...since they appear to have lots of professional models on their site, can you arrange a meeting with Milla Jovovich for me? But hey! Remember! I am a old fashioned gent & expect high morals, cooking & knitting as main hobbies...since Milla played Saint Joan of Arc ( what an affront! ), reading the bible shouldn't cause problems, right?
[:o)][:o)]

http://www.sexbabestown.com/celebrities/milla_jovovich_gallery/milla_jovovich_04.jpg

Outta your league ham.

dreamsr
07-11-2007, 12:33 AM
... so why doesn't some legal entity follow up and sue these fraudulent people or would it be those fleeced that would have to file a class action suit?

Morgoth
07-11-2007, 01:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus


quote:Originally posted by ham

[quote]
Hi Prometeus,

I challenged my sweety Elena L. Id:2679 about she write a letter to M. Haney and she said there is nothing wrong to write to another man and trying to be acquainted, even that we are engage, because I didn't write to her often... They don't have the same meanning about faithfullness in Ukraine... Anyway, she is not my sweety anymore... She said that the profile to M. Haney is written in english, so she don't understand what is written into the profile of M. Haney... Elena is a good girl but she is badly influenced by her agency in Kherson. Their goal is not to match man and woman but to gain more money by many means.

I admit to create the profile of M. Haney is a very good idea to show about behavior of some ladies. Very interesting [}:)]
In few words, you did a good job :D
Morgoth

hey...since they appear to have lots of professional models on their site, can you arrange a meeting with Milla Jovovich for me? But hey! Remember! I am a old fashioned gent & expect high morals, cooking & knitting as main hobbies...since Milla played Saint Joan of Arc ( what an affront! ), reading the bible shouldn't cause problems, right?
[:o)][:o)]

http://www.sexbabestown.com/celebrities/milla_jovovich_gallery/milla_jovovich_04.jpg

Outta your league ham.

ham
07-11-2007, 05:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by dreamsr

... so why doesn't some legal entity follow up and sue these fraudulent people or would it be those fleeced that would have to file a class action suit?


well, oftentimes fraudulent agencies solve the problem with phone book sized disclaimers and fine print, which everyone must agree with in order to enroll.
Of course, since they accept web or mail-in profiles, how can they possibly verify each & every of them?
They just have no way to know who is who and who does what.
Then, most merely act as storefront for local FSU agencies, so "it's the other guy five time zones away who's in charge of due diligence".
Last, they post some "don't send money! Beware of frauds" banner, so it's really up to you.
And if you can "prove" or "sufficiently substantiate" your claim that profile #11223344 is a scammer, then they'll gladly remove it; ah, by the way they need AT LEAST n complaints...you know, these angry losers blacklisting cinderellas out of whim. So perhaps the profile will never be removed, and all they have to tell you is that they're waiting for the next complaint to move forward...how would you know, anyways?
I was aware of a federal lawsuit involving Yahoo and Match.com posted by reuters NOV 18, 2005



quote:Match.com, a unit of IAC/Interactive Corp. (IACI.O: Quote, Profile, Research), is accused in a federal lawsuit of goading members into renewing their subscriptions through bogus romantic e-mails sent out by company employees. In some instances, the suit contends, people on the Match payroll even went on sham dates with subscribers as a marketing ploy.

In a separate suit, Yahoo Inc.'s (YHOO.O: Quote, Profile, Research) personals service is accused of posting profiles of fictitious potential dating partners on its Web site to make it look as though many more singles subscribe to the service than actually do.

i never heard of it ever since.
Actually, one big junk dating provider put small print disclaiming that all those glamorous model pics (presented as Barbie & Ken dolls next door waiting for your messages ) were "only to put visitors in the mood and in no way represented real subscribers to the service" or whatever.

imported_uljoh
07-11-2007, 09:24 AM
Is noone getting letters from our old friend Valyusha B. anymore?
I did get a letter again here through UAL a while ago, after we finished writing in January when the CC going down.
She is obviously still on the site as her profile is there. Wonder who she is telling sweet words and philosofies this time. She did it in 200 letters to me : )
Would be great to know if she is still active. I mean a girl with that look should easily have met her forever friend already. There must be someone visiting Zithomir here.
// uljoh

ps Im going to Russia btw tomorrow 12 july. Staying there until tuesday nex week.

Kevin
07-11-2007, 10:44 PM
Hey, Uljoh I'm going to Zhitomir, leaving 12 July

dreamsr
07-12-2007, 12:01 AM
Uljoh you mean to tell me you wrote 200 letters to this girl? You never had that gut feeling that something wasn't quite right?

Prometheus
07-13-2007, 10:02 AM
In Uljoh's defense, I will admit to a similar long and costly correspondence with Lyudmila S. #4001. I broke it off twice, and each time she would contact me again to reel me in. We discussed marriage, immigration, even adoption of each other's children. Still there was something that did not "feel" right. Every plan to actually meet had immediate problems raised. Occasional letters could only be described as a "form" response. Reactions to gifts, or lack thereof, did not ring true. I broke it off for a third and final time last November, but did not feel certain in my decision until discovering this forum. Ironically, it was the CC website going down in January that brought the victims out of the woodwork. Now anyone with Google has a fair chance of learning the truth.

Lyudmila S. #4001 is no longer on the UAL/CC website. The fraud continues unabated.

dreamsr
07-14-2007, 03:16 PM
Ok Prometheus, I hear you. Like you after discovering this forum I haven't had the inclintion to write to my lovely friend Natali but lo and behold I got a mail yesterday from her. It said that she wonders why she hasn't heard for me so long; has something happened to me?

I'm still thinking of a "perfect" reponse to send to her. Any ideas gents?

Morgoth
07-15-2007, 01:48 AM
Just send her all the web links related to the scamming activities about UALADYS.com ..... [}:)]
Morgoth



quote:Originally posted by dreamsr

Ok Prometheus, I hear you. Like you after discovering this forum I haven't had the inclintion to write to my lovely friend Natali but lo and behold I got a mail yesterday from her. It said that she wonders why she hasn't heard for me so long; has something happened to me?

I'm still thinking of a "perfect" reponse to send to her. Any ideas gents?

Silver
07-15-2007, 01:31 PM
Dreamsr...

I have a better idea...
if you do not want to believe that fianceeconnections is a fake....
take a look at this...and tell me what you see...

http://loveentity.com/details.rpx?id=5117&site=ar

is this lovely girl the same Natali we are talking about...???....jajajajaja

http://loveentity.com/
more of the same fraud...

Silver
07-15-2007, 01:43 PM
it seems that the business is not doing very well...
now they have pictures for free on the Russian and Brazilian sites...jajajajaja

http://loveentity.com/details.rpx?id=117&site=ru

http://loveentity.com/details.rpx?id=1638&site=br

Silver
07-15-2007, 05:19 PM
Lyudmila S. #4001 is no longer on the UAL/CC website. The fraud continues unabated.
Prometheus Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 05:02:14
.................................................. .............................................

is this the Ludmilla that is no longer at ualadys...

http://loveentity.com/details.rpx?id=4001&site=

it is supposed that Elena G. 1586...is no longer at ualadys either...or at least that is what the site says...but check this out..

http://loveentity.com/details.rpx?id=1586site=

same old faces from our well old known scam site...

Silver
07-16-2007, 01:47 PM
ualadys took this site down very fast...

anyway check this out...more of the same..

http://www.imailmessage.info/

imported_uljoh
07-18-2007, 09:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kevin

Hey, Uljoh I'm going to Zhitomir, leaving 12 July


Ok, Kevin! Please tell us your experience from Zithomir when you come home. For me that place is like a mysterious place after what has happened here lately. If I would go there, I would probably hear the walls on the houses telling about what happened there in early december this year : )
I was in Russia these late five days. And I met the lady I met there i March.
There are always at least small problems going there - and of course the agency wants you to meet as many ladies as possible, even if you only want to meet one. Of course its their business.
// Uljoh

imported_uljoh
07-18-2007, 07:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by dreamsr

Uljoh you mean to tell me you wrote 200 letters to this girl? You never had that gut feeling that something wasn't quite right?


Yes of course dreamsr. But the admin always found out "good" answers about it.

jjames
07-19-2007, 03:21 AM
hi guys

as soon as a women wants money sent to her after 1 week of falling in love with you over the internet, i write back and ask her for photos showing the inside of her you know what including a magnified pic of her bean.

all reply some swear and others do as the told.
there is thousands of dates on the internet so dont spend to much time on scammers you will find someone that will love again after 2 letters

howard darby
07-20-2007, 09:09 AM
HEY GUYS,
I DONT KNOW WHO POSTED THIS BUT SOMEONE SAID TO TRY ASIAN KISSES SO I TRIED IT AND FOR THE LAST 2 MONTHS I HAVE BEEN WRITING CALLING AND IM SEVERAL LADIES FROM THIS SITE. IT IS GREAT TO BEABLE TO CONTACT SOMEONE DIRECT AND THEY EVEN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SEND PHOTOS WHEN YOU ASK AND NON HAVE ASKED FOR ANY MONEY YET
HOWARD

Prometheus
07-20-2007, 01:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by howard darby

HEY GUYS,
I DONT KNOW WHO POSTED THIS BUT SOMEONE SAID TO TRY ASIAN KISSES SO I TRIED IT AND FOR THE LAST 2 MONTHS I HAVE BEEN WRITING CALLING AND IM SEVERAL LADIES FROM THIS SITE. IT IS GREAT TO BEABLE TO CONTACT SOMEONE DIRECT AND THEY EVEN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SEND PHOTOS WHEN YOU ASK AND NON HAVE ASKED FOR ANY MONEY YET
HOWARD


http://www.asiankisses.de/members/uploads/04/71021_135757-803.jpg

Thanks, but I'll pass. I've seen too many movies with crazy Filipina wives.

Prometheus
07-20-2007, 01:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by jjames

hi guys

as soon as a women wants money sent to her after 1 week of falling in love with you over the internet, i write back and ask her for photos showing the inside of her you know what including a magnified pic of her bean.



Are those available at magnifiedbean.com? Really, you should share your collection.

jjames
07-20-2007, 02:36 PM
hello guys
wonder if you can help , does any one no this travel agency in russia
Best regards,


Sergey Odincov travel consultant of
OOO "Odisey Travel Group"
License TD 0014663 till 05.04.2007
The certificate of conformity RUS RU.W3411.U00430 till 06.09.2005
E-mail: "SERGEYODINCOV@RAMBLER.RU"
Our company web site was attacked by hackers and at the moment is
under reconstruction and we made versions on Russian and on English
too as soon as it would begin work again I will let you know our
company new web address.

This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is
protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should
delete this message. Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this
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thanks guys

hope you have some info for me

ham
07-20-2007, 06:28 PM
quote:[B)]Thanks, but I'll pass. I've seen too many movies with crazy Filipina wives.

honestly i wouldn't touch such women with a ten meters pole...


quote: hello guys
wonder if you can help , does any one no this travel agency in russia

they use a throw-away email address...how "established" can they be?
Red flag.

dreamsr
07-21-2007, 09:56 PM
... and why are so many scam artists named Sergey?

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SKYe
07-22-2007, 03:36 AM
Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any
secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
plans.
I will work in any shop, bar or restaurant the agency that i am going
through will suggest me some locations.
It will be my choice in the end as to what option to go for.
So I will have a simple work till I improve my English. And I can choose any
town of your area,agency will only help me to get a visa and all travel
documents + some suggested placed to work in.
My best friend last year met the man from the USA when she worked there for
three months, too.
She had two jobs. From morning till 4 pm she worked in amusement park and
after it she worked as a waitress in some bar till midnight.
She was very tired of course but made very good money there.
It is special programm for young people who wants to work abroad and I think
it is the right way for me ,
I am lost here,and I think that I look pretty enough to find a better place
.I want to repeat the same way,it is
only my chance to meet a nice man.I want to work in USA or in Europe or any
nice country. I am full of plans and different dreams and I want to share my
life with good man because I'm also full of love and tenderness,I know that
I am not so beautiful like Hollywood Princess but I do hope to meet my
Prince and
I am sure he will be not be disappoined to meet me in the real life! This is
why I am going to go through the same way.
Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.
I will leave russia in two weeks or so (I can't tell you everything exactly
right now) and I would like tobe sure that I have the man who waits for me
there. I will work all day and I want to find a man to spend all free time
together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to meet
me I will be more than happy to meet you too.
I will tell you all details about me and my life if you like my pictures and
want to meet me! please send picture of you too!!!
I write to you with my new mailbox eka-rina@maileverywhere.info, please
write
letters now only on this mailbox.
I will wait your next letter.

Kevin
07-22-2007, 10:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by uljoh


quote:Originally posted by Kevin

Hey, Uljoh I'm going to Zhitomir, leaving 12 July


Ok, Kevin! Please tell us your experience from Zithomir when you come home. For me that place is like a mysterious place after what has happened here lately. If I would go there, I would probably hear the walls on the houses telling about what happened there in early december this year : )
I was in Russia these late five days. And I met the lady I met there i March.
There are always at least small problems going there - and of course the agency wants you to meet as many ladies as possible, even if you only want to meet one. Of course its their business.
// Uljoh


must read I was at the Zhitomir office recently, and here is my experience while there.

I'm back from my trip to Zhitomir. I had a great time while there, was in the office twice, the first day I went there and waited 1 hour for her to show up then we went right out to eat dinner. The second time was 2 days before I leave and they wanted to take a picture of the two of us together.

There was one only one thing that happened and I'm still finding out about it since I just get back Friday evening. I had talked to the translator about the drive back to the airport and she told me should would find out about it. We were at the office the next day when I had asked her if she(translator) had found out about it, she hadn't so she asked the woman there that worked in the office and had confirmed it with someone in the room (the door was always closed, don't know who was there and what was in there), but the woman in the office told me to be waiting in the lobby at 2:30am but they never showed up and I was finally able to get a taxi by the help of a girl that worked at the hotel and spoke little English, but I ended up missing the plane departure anyway. it is at least a 2 1/2 hour drive from Borispol airport to the Zhitomir city.

I asked the translator how long she had worked there and she told me 3 months so I told her about the rumors about the company and she assured me that every woman there is real.

Other than that I had a great time while there. If anyone wants to know anything particular write on here and I will try to answer as soon as possible

GentinCO
07-23-2007, 02:01 AM
Thank you for the posts regarding UALadys.com I admit that I was taken for a ride. I have received emails from many that were mentioned here after receiving an email from Nadezhda N on Badoo.com. She is a very good recruiter for this site.

imported_uljoh
07-23-2007, 05:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kevin

Ok, Kevin! Please tell us your experience from Zithomir when you come home. // Uljoh
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I'm back from my trip to Zhitomir.
I had a great time while there, was in the office twice, the first day I went there and waited 1 hour for her to show up then we went right out to eat dinner. The second time was 2 days before I leave and they wanted to take a picture of the two of us together.

There was one only one thing that happened and I'm still finding out about it since I just got back Friday eve.
I had talked to the translator about the drive back to the airport but they never showed up

I asked the translator how long she had worked there and she told me 3 months so I told her about the rumors about the company and she assured me that every woman there is real.

If anyone wants to know anything particular write on here and I will try to answer as soon as possible

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Well, Kevin, I think the reason they didnt give you an answer about the taxi was, they have own transport service which is very expensive. So they simply didnt want to give you a cheap alternative. They could be punished by the boss if they did.

I can give you the telenr to a great driver I came to get to know in Kiev. Only call him advance - and you should have no big problem. Just ask about the price in advance. I think your price to Zithomir and back to Kiev would be less than 100$. Maybe 90$.
His name is "Vitaly Yeryomenko" and his mobilenr is: +38 050 5169599. He speaks rather good english and I used him service for taxi from Borispol to Kiev C. I payed 20$ first time. For the return I gave him 25$. But I could have had it for 20$.
I mean, its a pretty long drive from Borispol to Kiev C. like 35 - 40 kilometres.

About the closed room at the office that one was visible before through the a webcam at Zhitimir office. It almost always was closed october 06 - january 07. I think the ladies could write letters from there. Now that door isnt visible on the cam any more.

I think they changed interpreters after the troubles around new year. And the interpreters at the office would never give anyone another answer than "its ok with everything". The girls are maybe for sure real, but what we question here is also the purpose for theis staying in there. Do some of them only want presents and so on? Cause its obvious they often dont want to meat when it comes to that discussion.

I think they took the photoes only for you to have an opportunety to prove you have accually met, for the authorities later on, if marriage is discussed.

Thank you information!
It would be interesting to hear more if you have more info. Cause that branch is really active.
// Uljoh

Kevin
07-23-2007, 08:29 AM
When I went in to meet the girl the first time there was another guy there who wanted to meet this girl but the girl wasn't available and decided to meet another and they gave her a call and she was going to show up in a little while that day.

As for the closed door, if you ever watch the webcams and see the big guy sitting on the couch sometimes, he is the driver and I think he was in the room because when I asked about the ride back to the airport the girl went in there to asked about it. e doesn't speak any English and there was another guy with him when they picked me up from the airport.

I think you missed what I was saying about the drive, I was picked up at the airport the day I arrived, they were waiting there when I passed through the doors with a sign with my name on it. They only didn't provide me with a ride back to the airport on the day I had to leave.

The translator had told me that people don't stay at there jobs because there is no record that they work at the place of employment.
They don't pay any taxes on item you buy.

I haven't heard from them yet as I emailed them Sunday about what had happened with the driver, and will keep you posted on what is going on.

The girl at the hotel had called the taxi and said it would be 500UAH and I told them I would have to get the money from the bank. There was a guy that went with me to the bank and when I got the money and I gave it to them they want another 500UAH so the total was 1000UAH for the ride to the airport and I looked at the meter on the taxi it read somewhere around 489UAH I think.

I'm trying to demand my extra charges back from them, I shouldn't have to pay for them forgetting to take me back.

dreamsr
07-24-2007, 12:13 AM
Kevin, sounds like they took you for a ride literally! The girl you met was she anything like her pictures? Was her personality like that in her letters?

Kevin
07-24-2007, 08:27 AM
Okay update, I received the email from them explaining what happened. Apparently the driver was in an accident (hit by a drunk)on the way to get me and could leave the scene or call.

Here is what they wrote to me:
We hope that you?ve already came back after your trip to Ukraine and everything is ok with you.

We are reall sorry for the situation which has happened with you during the leaving from the Zhitomir city. We know all what happen and that you?ve had to take a taxi to go to airport. We were very thankfull to the staff of the hotel which you were living in for the hepling you to find the taxi.

At the time when we?ve had to pick your up from the hotel our driver (Igor ? we hope that you remember him) has got is the car accident right on a way to your hotel. Drunk person has crashed his car and made some wounds to Igor?s car. According to the law Igor could not left the place of the accident until police would not let him do it. And Igor could not call you and tell you that he is delaying. You?ve had enough time to reach airport even if you will leave 1 or 2 hors later after the time which vere arranged and Igor knew it. He was at the hotel 1 hour later with another driver to take you to airport, but administrator of the hotel told that you?ve already left with the taxi. We checked that taxi service to be sure that all ok. According to their words one of their cars really has left to Borispol airport at night and there were enough time for you to reach the plain.

We are really sorry for this situanion.

Please understand us ? it was an accident and we could not make anything that time.

We are ready to give you compensation for the taking for the money which you used for the taxi serveice and unused services of our driver. Please write which services you are interested in.

Administration team of the UALadys company.

Thank you.

As for the girl she looked exactly like all the pictures I received and personality was exactly like her letters to me.

As for me I think this place is for real. As I said before I've seen her in the webcams. If you really want to know if she is for real go and visit, you'll have a good time, I know I did and I only spent about 5 hours a day with her. Maybe have a backup plan of a tour set up in case.

I'll keep you informed what happens with being refunded for the services I incurred and didn't use.

Morgoth
07-24-2007, 09:36 AM
Hello Kevin

About the price of your trip, remember, 50 grivnas=$10 USD. If you taked the bus, it cost you only about $10 to $15 USD. So you was scammed for the price. It's sure that the girls are real and true. I meet some of them and they are exactly on the photos. BUT, managers of the agency don't care if you really want to date or marry the girl because you are a money bringer and for them, more the girls can stay in touch with you, more they got money from you. I lived a great deception in Kherson, I was dating and engage to a girl and she was badly influenced by the manager and she decided to finish our relationship because I just send her two to four letters by months for a time. Very childish and incredible.

I will be curious to know if UALdys will give you back your money for the mistake.... ;)

Morgoth

quote:Originally posted by Kevin

Okay update, I received the email from them explaining what happened. Apparently the driver was in an accident (hit by a drunk)on the way to get me and could leave the scene or call.

Here is what they wrote to me:
We hope that you?ve already came back after your trip to Ukraine and everything is ok with you.

We are reall sorry for the situation which has happened with you during the leaving from the Zhitomir city. We know all what happen and that you?ve had to take a taxi to go to airport. We were very thankfull to the staff of the hotel which you were living in for the hepling you to find the taxi.

At the time when we?ve had to pick your up from the hotel our driver (Igor ? we hope that you remember him) has got is the car accident right on a way to your hotel. Drunk person has crashed his car and made some wounds to Igor?s car. According to the law Igor could not left the place of the accident until police would not let him do it. And Igor could not call you and tell you that he is delaying. You?ve had enough time to reach airport even if you will leave 1 or 2 hors later after the time which vere arranged and Igor knew it. He was at the hotel 1 hour later with another driver to take you to airport, but administrator of the hotel told that you?ve already left with the taxi. We checked that taxi service to be sure that all ok. According to their words one of their cars really has left to Borispol airport at night and there were enough time for you to reach the plain.

We are really sorry for this situanion.

Please understand us ? it was an accident and we could not make anything that time.

We are ready to give you compensation for the taking for the money which you used for the taxi serveice and unused services of our driver. Please write which services you are interested in.

Administration team of the UALadys company.

Thank you.

As for the girl she looked exactly like all the pictures I received and personality was exactly like her letters to me.

As for me I think this place is for real. As I said before I've seen her in the webcams. If you really want to know if she is for real go and visit, you'll have a good time, I know I did and I only spent about 5 hours a day with her. Maybe have a backup plan of a tour set up in case.

I'll keep you informed what happens with being refunded for the services I incurred and didn't use.

Kevin
07-26-2007, 06:07 PM
Update on the return of services:
I told them how much I spent on taxi and rebooking of the airline tickets and they accepted them, but I also told them I wanted half of the driver since I didn't get the ride back to the airport from them, they told me the compensation was in the taxi. I wrote them back demanding the $150 for half the driver. I haven't heard back from them but I did receive the refund. The refund was given as a credit on the account, I had to buy the services.

thatcrazy
07-30-2007, 08:12 AM
Hey I was also there in zitomir last year too. or was it the year before...

I know the driver guy you're talking about. haha He is *HUGE*. ****er must be like 6-8.
He took us to kiev for the day and was making fun of some fat police men there. We brought him back some mcdonalds because he had to sit in the car for a few hours...

must of been ****en 110 degrees that day..

Not surprised he got into an accident. He drives like a maniac.
I think we were doing like 110 coming home from kiev.

how did you like the 2 hour drive from the airport. :P

Morgoth
07-31-2007, 12:01 AM
Hello Kevin,

From Kiev to Simferopol by plane cost me about $100 to $120 USD. Not so bad. So if you paid more and for a drive in car to Zithomir with a crazy driver, you like risky business...
Next time just let me know, I have an Ukrainian friend (a taxi driver) in Kiev very good who can help you for cheaper !!!
Morgoth

quote:Originally posted by Kevin

Update on the return of services:
I told them how much I spent on taxi and rebooking of the airline tickets and they accepted them, but I also told them I wanted half of the driver since I didn't get the ride back to the airport from them, they told me the compensation was in the taxi. I wrote them back demanding the $150 for half the driver. I haven't heard back from them but I did receive the refund. The refund was given as a credit on the account, I had to buy the services.

thatcrazy
07-31-2007, 07:51 AM
They charged me about $200 USD for a drive from Zhitomir into Kiev for the day and back again. considering its about a 2 hour drive both ways I don't think it was overpriced.

Morgoth
07-31-2007, 08:25 AM
Hello ThatCrazy,

I taked a taxi from Odessa to Kherson, three hours of driving car, I paid $100 THIS IS OVERPRICED because the salary BY DAY IS between $8 to $15 USD for one day of work in UKraine and Russia!!! IF you put a cost for the car and gaz put about $20. So the true price for a trip of three hours is about +- $50 !!! YOU ARE RIGHT (AND YOU MUST DO IT!!!) TO BARGAIN FOR THE PRICE OF YOUR TRIP!!!
Morgoth

quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

They charged me about $200 USD for a drive from Zhitomir into Kiev for the day and back again. considering its about a 2 hour drive both ways I don't think it was overpriced.

thatcrazy
07-31-2007, 05:18 PM
maybe for 1 person. But not for 3 passengers.

thatcrazy
07-31-2007, 05:20 PM
plus it isn't only being dropped off. The driver also has to drive you around the city.

Morgoth
07-31-2007, 11:43 PM
Hello Thatcrazy,
You're right, for three passengers but don't forget, YOU MUST BARGAIN FOR YOUR TRIP AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DECIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MONEY!!!!
Morgoth

quote:Originally posted by thatcrazy

plus it isn't only being dropped off. The driver also has to drive you around the city.

ClueLessLuzer
08-10-2007, 12:49 AM
Wow, I have been reading this thread and am amazed at the bad luck some of you guys are having with UALadys. I though I would share my experience with you to balance the thread. I received an unsolicited email informing me of the possibilities of finding true love online. I was a little skeptical but decided to check it out. I created a profile - and added a picture (to increase the odds of being viewed). I then went to bed and had sex - it was great but I just wish someon else would have been with me. I awoke a ran to my computer like a kid on Christmas morning and guess what - within 2 hours of posting my profile I had my first bite!
http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/5761/small.jpg
Vika #5761
She obviously had read my posting because she new my name. There she was an 18 year old student interested in me a 46 year old guy - what are the odds??? I am soooo lucky. You got to love the USA I can marry her but I can't take her out for a drink - but I digress. I am in love and I am sure that my new love Vika will make me happy for years to come. I know what you're thinking - an 18 year old drop dead gorgeous girl wouldn't really want anything to do with me, but I did my homework. I read the UALady FAQ and they explained that younger girls really do like older men. I am truly sorry that some of you are having such a hard time finding true love online. Soon I'll be off to the Ukrainian to meet my true love.
http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/5761/886782_78318.jpg

dreamsr
08-10-2007, 01:36 PM
Well we here wish you the best of luck in your endeavours. Be sure to update of your progress.

gary100
08-10-2007, 06:18 PM
[quote]Originally posted by dreamsr

Well we here wish you the best of luck in your endeavours. Be sure to update of your progress.
[Hi Team,I'm writing from New Zealand,I visited Ukraine last year.I went to Simferopol,meet a beautiful young lady,but unfortunatly there was no love there.She was very pleasant,took me to the deareast restaurant you could go too.The restaurant was about 25 klm. out of Simferopol,we had a private room to ourselves.
I will always wonder ,did she take me out of town so she would not be seen with me.
By the way I'm 62,she was 24 ,an interesting experience.
At the moment I'm communicating with a Marina(28-29 years of age) from Sumy,has anyone had any contact or letters from her.
Gary from New Zealand or/quote]

thatcrazy
08-11-2007, 08:44 AM
If you can't get a 20 year old girl at home then don't try to get one in Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter because it isn't going to happen.

You are 62 years old. Find someone who in your proper age bracket. Going after 20 somethings at 62 years old is not something I'd recommend doing for anyone.

gary100
08-11-2007, 11:12 PM
Hi Thats crazy.
I did not chase her,she chased me,everytime I stopped writing,she kept sending emails(letters untill I wrote back).So in the end I went to Simferopol to see if she was for real, definitly real,definitly as good looking as she was in her picture and Video.

Silver
08-14-2007, 03:34 PM
http://www.onlyloveall.com/newlove/
http://bestloveyou.com/show.rpx

imported_uljoh
08-15-2007, 06:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

http://www.onlyloveall.com/newlove/
http://bestloveyou.com/show.rpx


This is really funny, Silver.
I got a letter from this lady to my ordinary emailbox in hotmail the other day, asking me to write her on this site, obviously connected to UAladys. How many sites like this do theay have? Hundreds?

http://lovegreatthing.com/findme

imported_uljoh
08-16-2007, 03:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by Silver

http://www.onlyloveall.com/newlove/
http://bestloveyou.com/show.rpx


And here is another UAladys related site. And a letter from a lady there, that I received today 16 august 2007.

http://firstloveall.com/bestlove

Silver
08-16-2007, 03:32 AM
hello Uljoh...

the truth always speaks by itself and this is the proof that ualadys is a fraudulent operation...it does not matter how many other persons write here some stories about trips and lucky guys thinking they have won the lottery of love...the real truth is that ualadys is a vast scam operation...no doubt about it

seajay
08-23-2007, 02:35 AM
I recently received an unsolicited email (not from UALADYs) and, after googling the sender, stumbled onto the UALADYs site. Having monitored the profiles of some ladies on other sites, 2 years ago now... I can see that several of the UALADYs profiles in Sumy are of ladies who are marked as no longer available on other sites. One was even marked on 'A Foreign Affair' in December 2005 as engaged/married and her photos have since been removed from AFA's site. Two others were blacklisted by AFA after requesting money/gifts, without actually wanting a relationship.

ham
08-23-2007, 06:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by seajay

I recently received an unsolicited email (not from UALADYs) and, after googling the sender, stumbled onto the UALADYs site. Having monitored the profiles of some ladies on other sites, 2 years ago now... I can see that several of the UALADYs profiles in Sumy are of ladies who are marked as no longer available on other sites. One was even marked on 'A Foreign Affair' in December 2005 as engaged/married and her photos have since been removed from AFA's site. Two others were blacklisted by AFA after requesting money/gifts, without actually wanting a relationship.


well...
[:o)][:o)]

Silver
08-24-2007, 01:31 AM
There must be some kind of way out of here
Said the joker to the thief
Too much confusion
I can't get no relief

Bob Dylan

jameslv2k
08-29-2007, 05:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by uljoh


quote:Originally posted by Silver

http://www.onlyloveall.com/newlove/
http://bestloveyou.com/show.rpx


This is really funny, Silver.
I got a letter from this lady to my ordinary emailbox in hotmail the other day, asking me to write her on this site, obviously connected to UAladys. How many sites like this do theay have? Hundreds?

http://lovegreatthing.com/findme




I also received a new email in my gmail today which UALADYS maybe knew about, or it could have been a coincidence.

It is one of the same ladies I had been writing to - supposedly - by the name of Jaraslova L.

(PHOTO - Click on link below)

But this time from a site called ' http://ifoundthelove.net/myhoney '

The email came from info@crowsnestyachts.com , an apparent spammer for the scammers.

Directing to http://ifoundthelove.net/myhoney (Jaroslava's Photos are here, but you can't enlarge them to see the Confidential Connections watermark as with UALADYS.COM)

which redirects to another site when you click 'JOIN' -
http://heartsattach.com/

So definitely an elaborate scam of some sort using the same ladies' pictures over and over again.

On the UALADYS.COM site, all the pictures of Jaraslova are blatantly watermarked ' CONFIDENTIALCONNECTIONS.COM ' which is what made me lose credibility in the first place, and then the final damper was the notion that Boris or Ivanka might be faking the emails.

These are very clever people, but how do they explain this away?

Some strange coincidence?




JW

Ding dong
08-30-2007, 12:44 PM
I need rather urgently to know if anyone is writing to Ira B #5646 from Kremenchug, this woman is involved in a nasty situation and is under investigtion, any information will be kept confidential, but this may just be the nail in the coffin. Please assist me as Im a journalist and would love to rip that business apart and expose everyone.I have gathered a lot of evedence already, but require any information in the way of letters etc, as I need to varify some information.. TOGETHER WE CAN KILL THE BEAST..ALONE WE JUST TALK!

dreamsr
09-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Ding dong you aren't a native Brit are you?

redprince
09-12-2007, 04:14 PM
Dear all,
I just want to add my two pence worth for what it is worth.
I am preparing to go on a trip to Poltava next week and the lady i have been writing (whi initiated the correspondence)to has decided
less than a fortnight before go there to be in Kiev on business.
All UA ladys will say is that i should delay my trip-and of course i lose all my flight money.This co is a joke!!

David Chester
09-22-2007, 07:48 PM
I am taking a trip with UA Ladies On October 1, 07.....

I think at least one of the 4 ladies i wanted to meet is going to 'bail' her 'father' doesn't want her to meet me...

I think I'm going to get at least partially scammed here....but I already paid UA for the trip...so I'm stuck...

I had about 3 post on this thread and they are missing??

I will report back and tell all about my trip after my return on Oct 15....\

Anna C 4947 is the girl that, after 100 letters.....father might send her to Kiev for a class...in the middle of the school year...she is a senior..

Also...I was writing Elena 1586...a long time ago....and she got pissed at me....and ASKED ME NOT TO WRITE HER ANY MORE...

i guess i'm going to find out the hard way...

darn it

PeopleSmoks
09-22-2007, 10:31 PM
Hey guys, all I can say is that before getting on a plane, I plan to do a "scam check" of the girl I'm going to visit BEFORE I buy a plane ticket... and definitely not a check from the agency where I met her!

Something to consider is this... It's a bit dishonest, but... I have a couple of e-mail accounts myself. When I think that things are heading toward a possible meeting, or the girl declares her love, or that she is writing only to me, etc..., I send her a letter from my other address, change my name and send her a pic of some guy I pulled of the net.

1) If she answers, she's probably not serious about you.
2) Compare the letter to the first one you got. If it's the same letter, RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure that others can add to this.

I've done this more than once, and I get a form letter like the one I received originally!

Then I mess with them!!!

Train returns

David Chester
09-25-2007, 03:34 AM
Is this site aware of the fact that UALadys has a link posted TO THIS WEB SITE!!!

http://www.ualadys.com/engl/ladies_antiscam.html

Scroll halfway down the page and you will see the Stop-scammers logo, and it is a click-able link to the Stop scammers web site!!

So UA Ladys is using Stop scammers as reference???? Or just using this site to try and legit themselves??

what is up with this???

PeopleSmoks
09-25-2007, 04:31 PM
Heck, scammers monitor this and other sites all the time. They know what we think about them. Every so often a "manager" of a scam site will login to dispute what's being discussed about them.

I really don't see a problem for the big scam agencies since hundreds of thousands of girls turn eighteen in the FSU every year and I'm sure they have no problem finding plenty who will sell their photos to replace the photos of girls we already know to be scam bait!

We just have to stay smart and not bite the hook no matter how yummy the 22 year old scam bait may look!

Train returns

Prometheus
09-26-2007, 01:34 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photo_storage/12/128205/small.jpg

I don't know what they put in the water in Hooterville, but the clever Eustace Haney continues to be irresistible to the women of UALadys.com f/k/a Confidential Connections.

Who would have thought that Eustace Haney would be a lady killer??? Not only is he 54, but his profile reads:

My hobbies:
I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time.

About myself:
. . . I am a guy who flushed a ****load of money down the toilet with confidentialconnections.com now ualadys.com. this is a test. Do not contact me unless you are a scam artist.

I guess that homemade moonshine is an aphrodisiac!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/5760/small.jpg18 year old Olga says...

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY VICTORIA T. FOR OLGA


Hello my dear Eustace!

Huh.... What from to begin my letter??? I have never thought it is so difficult to write letters! Especially to a person I like! I was sure that words would jump from my heart and from my mind, but they didn't!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/5760/886459_85652.jpg

Do you know that I have already met you? Do you know where? In my dream last night! I didn't see the face of man from my dream, but I remember exactly my feelings towards him! They were the same as I saw in among another men!

I wish to tell you so much, but I am not sure you need these words! Maybe you have already felt fire in your chest while reading my letter... Because I feel it! My heart is jumping in my breast and I can hardly keep it inside! It seems to me my heart is going to jump to you! Can you keep it safe? My heart is very fragile, be careful with it! Don't break it! Ok?

My heart is my first gift for you, so please, appreciate it! I think it is the most valuable present you have ever got, am I right? And maybe one day I will get the same gift from you...

So please, write me back... I will wait for your letter!

Best regards

Olya

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/5760/886461_45084.jpg
PLEASE NOTE HEART JUMPING IN BREAST ABOVE.

dreamsr
09-29-2007, 03:21 PM
Ha ha ha, we live for those jumps Prometheus!

PeopleSmoks
09-29-2007, 07:14 PM
Hey Prometheus! I doubt Mr. Haney ever was looking for an FSU bride. Now, if you said he was running an FSU dating scam site, that I'd believe!!! Little know fact... Mr. Haney's middle name is Boris!!!!

Besides, I think he might have been getting a little taste of Hungarian on the side when Mr. Douglas went in to Hooterville for supplies!

As far as those hearts jumping out of those buxom chests in those tight little blouses, well.... isn't that what we all live for???



Train returns

Prometheus
10-02-2007, 09:14 PM
"This has been a Filmways presentation dahlink..."

Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure every man in Valley, and even little Arnold Ziffel, had a taste of Lisa's hotcakes before it was over. Certainly the first time it occurred to me there might be more to the Soviet bloc than babushkas in olive drab.

jake122969
10-05-2007, 11:23 PM
THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY VICTORIA T. FOR OLGA


Hello my dear Michael!


Huh.... What from to begin my letter??? I have never thought it is so difficult to write letters! Especially to a person I like! I was sure that words would jump from my heart and from my mind, but they didn't!


Do you know that I have already met you? Do you know where? In my dream last night! I didn't see the face of man from my dream, but I remember exactly my feelings towards him! They were the same as I saw in among another men!


I wish to tell you so much, but I am not sure you need these words! Maybe you have already felt fire in your chest while reading my letter... Because I feel it! My heart is jumping in my breast and I can hardly keep it inside! It seems to me my heart is going to jump to you! Can you keep it safe? My heart is very fragile, be careful with it! Don't break it! Ok?


My heart is my first gift for you, so please, appreciate it! I think it is the most valuable present you have ever got, am I right? And maybe one day I will get the same gift from you...


So please, write me back... I will wait for your letter!


Best regards


Olya

I guess her heart isnt that fragile!!!!!

PeopleSmoks
10-07-2007, 11:38 PM
quote:I guess her heart isnt that fragile!!!!!

It's hard to tell with those bumpers!!!

I'm sure if I bothered to keep all the letters I've received that I could find one that started off "Hello my dear Bob!", or at least something very close.

The most depressing part of the FSU/MOB scam game is that although I'm still honestly looking for a good woman, I've become so synical that I think I'm just playing a game anymore.

Trust me, I don't work for them, but if you want to check out a few scammer profiles, go to Horny Matches. Browse the girls from the FSU. The Ukraine girls are mostly nude pics.

Both Russian and Ukrainian girls have profiles that run 24/7!!! Hurry, because the last time I made a post like this, all the profiles were gone within three days!!!

As I got bored one night and surfed the dirty under-belly of the net, I came across a website for an escort service in Kiev. I found a girl who's pics have been all over dating sites happens to be a $150/hr call girl!!! http://www.gia.com.ua/girl/big_photo/lilia/lilia/4.jpg

I think she only gets $150 because she won't give up the backdoor???

Train returns

David Chester
10-20-2007, 11:09 AM
My trip to Ukraine with UALadys!

I was in Kremenchug and Sumy Ukraine with UALadys from October 1 to October 15, 2007

First the good stuff...

The Sumy office of UALadys is great!! The translators and everyone in the Sumy office were friendly and helpful...

Both of the ladys that I came to meet in Sumy, Marina 4909 and Anna 4947 did not work out.

I had been writing both Anna and Marina for about 9 1/2 months...but in real life they were different.

Marina 4909 is a gold digger....she lied in her letters, and I caught it in the first five minutes of our date!! Stay away from this one!!

Anna is only 21 and her family does not want her to get married for at least 18 more months, so I cannot wait that long, and try to have a long distance relationship, and spend thousand in travel to keep the relationship alive....

Anna is a nice person though!! and she speaks excellent english!!

So after this, I was about to come home early, but the Sumy translators advised me to not quit, and meet more ladies...I dated 6 ladys from this office, and I FOUND A SPECIAL LADY (I will not give her name and number cuz I don't want anyone to mess with her!)

I plan to return to Sumy, on my own, to meet her again in January!!!

I would highly recommend the Sumy office of UALadys to all of you!!

Now the BAD!!

I cannot prove anything, but I felt that the Kremenchug office was less than honest with me!!!

One lady, (Inna 5659) left the agency just before I took my trip, and when I asked the office staff in Kremenchug about it, the office manager told me her grandmother got ill and she had to move in with her..in a different town.....I also asked the translators, and they told me the same story, but the translators acted scared of me, like they had been told to not talk to me, or they were less than honest....I wonder if they are writing letters for girls in Kremenchug....that are not with the agency any longer...since so few men actually take a trip, and come to Ukraine...they rarely get caught! Inna 5659, was the lady I really wanted to meet in Ukraine...so I was really upset that she was gone....and I am not sure if she really left, or left long ago and they did not remove her profile.

I meet 3 ladys in Kremenchug...one Vicky was great....but she also wants to finish college first and that is 2 years away! A second lady that I wanted to meet, was unable to meet me, and the office staff did not tell me why, or explain!!!! I had to complain to the support department...and the office manager sent me a curt reply...I can post that here....if anyone wants to read it.

All the ladies that I had written before my trip both in Kremenchug and Sumy did not work out!!!!

I learned a lot!! Ukrainian women are really some of the hottest on this planet!!! Ukrainian women are more mature, than American women. Ukrainian women are much more conservative, and can be painfully shy around foreign men.

This site Stop Scammers...and all you posters...ARE CORRECT....DON'T WASTE YOU MONEY ON SENDING THE LADYS LETTERS FOR A LONG TIME!!!

It is wise to write the girls before you come to Ukraine, but save your money...write them about 1 month or less before you come to Ukraine....this way the know you a little. (i learned this the hard way!)

The lady I found.....I HAD NEVER WRITTEN A LETTER TOO, UNTIL I WAS ADVISED BY THE SUMY OFFICE, THAT SHE WAS A SWEET GIRL...they suggested her to me.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THE YOUNGER LADIES, THE LADIES THAT HAVE NOT FINISHED COLLEGE!!!!!! Ukrainian girls are very mature, but they also want to finish school...so you should not waste your time on them, unless you do not mind waiting a long time!!!!

Most of the girls looked EVEN BETTER IN REAL LIFE!!! I do not speak Russian. I am working on that now!! If you know a little Russian, I am sure you could find a HOT lady, without the help of any agency! They are all over the place in Sumy.

Overall, I had a great trip!! I think I got a decent price...I would do it all again.....but maybe not go to the Kremenchug office....and try another one.

dave

Gary, Indiana USA

PeopleSmoks
10-20-2007, 01:33 PM
quote:I cannot prove anything, but I felt that the Kremenchug office was less than honest with me!!!

This should say "I cannot prove anything." and end there.

Dave, be prepared. This is a site full of guys who have been screwed over in one way or another and although I personally find your posting very interesting, some will attack you as a front man for UA.

What I'm getting from you is that UA is more of a frachise type organization and that each office may or may not be more or less honest than the next??? Just as each girl is or isn't honest???

So your opinion is that UA as a whole is okay, but some offices are scams? Or UA is a scam and some offices are okay?

By the way, seriously, did you see any of the pleasantly large, firm, round breasted, slim figured, long legged beauties that seem to flourish among the profiles of so many FSU dating sites???

Train returns

David Chester
10-20-2007, 04:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by PeopleSmoks

[quote]

Dave, be prepared. This is a site full of guys who have been screwed over in one way or another and although I personally find your posting very interesting, some will attack you as a front man for UA.

What I'm getting from you is that UA is more of a frachise type organization and that each office may or may not be more or less honest than the next??? Just as each girl is or isn't honest???

So your opinion is that UA as a whole is okay, but some offices are scams? Or UA is a scam and some offices are okay?

By the way, seriously, did you see any of the pleasantly large, firm, round breasted, slim figured, long legged beauties that seem to flourish among the profiles of so many FSU dating sites???

Train returns


Yes to answer your question, on the streets, in the disco's, stores....This is a country of beautiful women.....that is for sure!!!
And the ladies on the site just mirror the country..

Was I ripped off?? Yes, on the emails....on the trip?? I think the price they charged me was decent...it was a long stay.

I will not use UALadys packages on my next trip..since now I have been there, I can get my own hotel, I can get a translator on my own..I got the silver package, so all these services were included.

If I wanted to meet more ladies from the UALadys site, You can just go to the office in the city, and pay about $50.00 US Dollars to meet one lady.

Are some offices scams?? I really do not know for sure!! Even though I was not happy with the Kremenchug office...they did have some real ladys there.

Remember, this is a very poor country, and they do not do business like we do in the USA. Corruption is a way of life in Ukraine!!

Hopefully, the lady I meet will work out....so far, so good! but if it does not...at least now I know how to find other ladies for a lot less money!!

By the way...food and drinks are cheap!! I had a great dinner at one place....for three people including alcohol....about 44 US Dollars!! McDonald's Sucks there...and is expensive.

All I know for sure is that I enjoyed the trip...and if I got partially scammed.....I still meet someone nice!!

ham
10-20-2007, 05:00 PM
quote:ps I never heard about the ringer angle....i wonder if I meet some!!

this is the latest news I got.
On another site there was this man who complained that he had spent money on webchats, letters and contacts, but the contacts he had received were invalid (EG disconnected cellphone/bogus email address).
A supposed representative of the agency came, named&shamed the man, but in the end women that man said were out of reach, equally "mysteriously" reappeared to give him updated contacts and to explain what had gone wrong.
That sounds much like ringers to me.
Paid women not interested in relationships, perhaps posing as different charachters who "die" and "resurrect" and "go" and "stay" according to the need the agency might have to keep someone quiet, or to downplay a report of fraudulent activities.
In the end agencies might be able to materialize pretty Natasha from profile XYZ7654321 out of thin air, but a ringer is just a ringer.
If you ever meet them (and using ringers is common enough IN THE WEST, too ), all you get is a good-time/gold-digging girl, or a prostitute at best.


quote:Dave, be prepared. This is a site full of guys who have been screwed over in one way or another and although I personally find your posting very interesting, some will attack you as a front man for UA.

Well, I might have been "screwed" in the past, but it is just a matter of time before everyone, no matter who, get their share. WWW/LD/MOB dating is like gambling...sooner or later you get dealt a bad hand.
Second, I see nothing glamorous, milk&honey Camelot picture in this report.
1. he met women he had corresponded with extensively, yet claims

quote:but in real life they were different.
Maybe he had in fact corresponded with a "friendly translator".

2.

quote:One lady, (Inna 5659) left the agency just before I took my trip, and when I asked the office staff in Kremenchug about it, the office manager told me her grandmother got ill and she had to move in with her..in a different town.....I also asked the translators, and they told me the same story, but the translators acted scared of me, like they had been told to not talk to me, or they were less than honest....I wonder if they are writing letters for girls in Kremenchug....that are not with the agency any longer...since so few men actually take a trip, and come to Ukraine...they rarely get caught! Inna 5659, was the lady I really wanted to meet in Ukraine...so I was really upset that she was gone....and I am not sure if she really left, or left long ago and they did not remove her profile.

This sounds -as remarked- highly suspicious.
Perhaps if he were to raise hell about it attracting undue attention, the agency might just "resurrect" Inna5659...

David Chester
10-20-2007, 06:48 PM
Below is the letter I sent to UALadys support, followed by the answer, that I got from the Kremenchug Office manager....

" While I was in Kremenchug...I asked before my trip to meet Nata 5751.

I did not meet her, and I was not told why by the Kremenchug staff. What happened...?????

Now that my trip is over....and I went to Sumy..

The Kremenchug branch is really so-so compared to the excellent service I got in Sumy!!!

My translator, was good...I liked her and her work!!!

But the rest of the ladies that worked in Kremenchug were not to friendly, I tried to talk to them, and they really had no interest in talking to me.

I really feel cheated by this office, I did not get to meet Nata 5751, and she seemed so eager to meet me!! And she has never written again....I think some of the letters I received from this office were fake!!!

I know that ladies can change their minds, but when I see the super service of the Sumy office.....Kremenchug leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I am planning a return trip to Ukraine in January 2008, and I will visit Sumy again 100% for sure!! I would like also to visit another office...but I am sure I will not return to Kremenchug....I just can not be sure this office is totally honest!!

Sumy was so good, they made Kremenchug look bad!

Please note: NO ONE IN SUMY SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT ANY OTHER OFFICE...these are just my thoughts!

dave chester"

Here is the UALadys reply:
" Dear David, we are happy that you had a nice trip to Sumy. Now you wrote many bad things about Kremenchug branch, you blame us in dishonesty... You mentioned in your complain that you did not meet with the lady 5751, it is right. Before your comming we had converstaion with 3 ladies you wanted to meet , all agreed to meet you, and we wrote schedule, according which you had meeting with Nataliya on Wednesday. This girl works 4 days till 9 o'clock, and has 2 free days. You came for us only for 3 days and all these days she worked. She promised to ask her chief to allow her to go at 6 or 7 on Wednesday to meet you, and told to recall her at 5 on Wednesday to confirm time, I recalled her but her mobile was closed. She called only next day and excused, she told that she could not go from office that day. You did not mention in you letter that you visited other ladies who were glad to meet you. What reasons do you have to tell that their letters were fake? You blame us now that we were not friendly with you, but any of your request was not refused. We tryed to help you in everything.

We are very sorry to leave a bad taste in your mouth...and it was very unpleasant to read your opinion about our staff and branch!!! Anyway, thank you for it!!! And we wish you to find your second half!!!

Sincerly manager of Kremenchug branch

This is my answer to her...no reply yet...

" "I asked before my trip to meet Nata 5751.

I did not meet her, and I was not told why by the Kremenchug staff. What happened...????? "

I was glad to get an answer, as to why I did not meet her!! But I was not told this, WHILE I WAS IN KREMENCHUG!

So now I understand!

but you said " you blame us in dishonesty" How was I dishonest???

Now that I am home, and now you have told me an answer to my question....how come she never wrote me, while I was in Ukraine, or since?? I have never heard from Nata again...if I had known, if the Kremenchug branch, had told me this before, I might have been able to stay longer in Kremenchug, or return to Kremenchug....to find a way to make time to meet her!!!!

She seemed to be so interested, and in her letters, I saw a very nice lady! (Nata 5751) If her letters were real, if she was truely busy, I understand!! But since I Nata nor the office told me these things....I did not understand the situation!!!!!

Also, just before my trip Inna B 5659 left this agency. I asked some of the girls in the office about that situation, and they were very hesitant to answer, or talk about it. I did get an answer....about that, but it was a weak one....and it felt less than honest.

Vika was great...I have no complaints with her at all!!!

But the other employees, seemed afraid to talk to me..as if they were told to avoid it...

"but any of your request was not refused. We tryed to help you in everything. " Yes that is correct....and I did not accuse you of that!! Nor did I imply that!!!

I am not stupid!! Something was not right, something was just strange about the reactions of the office staff.

The office manager of Kremenchug is correct, I DO NOT have any proof of my thoughts or comments, but because of the fact, that these things were not CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO ME. I did not know what was the problem!!

100% I will use UALadys again, and I am very sure, I will return to Ukraine in Jan 2008. If I could be sure Nata is real, and/or IF SOMEHOW INNA B. 5659 CAME BACK TO THIS AGENCY...I would come back to Kremenchug!!!

Thank you for you time..... "

You made a good point Ham!! Lets see if Inna "comes back"....I am stupid....but I hope I ain't that stupid!!!!!

ham
10-21-2007, 02:19 AM
quote:Dear David, we are happy that you had a nice trip to Sumy. Now you wrote many bad things about Kremenchug branch, you blame us in dishonesty... You mentioned in your complain that you did not meet with the lady 5751, it is right. Before your comming we had converstaion with 3 ladies you wanted to meet , all agreed to meet you, and we wrote schedule, according which you had meeting with Nataliya on Wednesday. This girl works 4 days till 9 o'clock, and has 2 free days. You came for us only for 3 days and all these days she worked. She promised to ask her chief to allow her to go at 6 or 7 on Wednesday to meet you, and told to recall her at 5 on Wednesday to confirm time, I recalled her but her mobile was closed. She called only next day and excused, she told that she could not go from office that day. You did not mention in you letter that you visited other ladies who were glad to meet you. What reasons do you have to tell that their letters were fake? You blame us now that we were not friendly with you, but any of your request was not refused. We tryed to help you in everything.

it is always the same old story.
Women melt into thin air while you are there, THEN after you become suspicious, preposterous explanations are given.
EG A woman is said to work on a given day, but WERE YOU told so, so you could plan your trip differently?
I wouldn't be surprised if mysterious agency cronies named&shamed you, EG he is a womanizer; he stole a cellphone, whatever.
I extremely like the fall-back explanation that they "provided a service", so what could you possibly want more?[:o)]
People visit to meet specific women, not just to be taken on a tour.
Recently there was an apparent increase in these "great-correspondence/vanished-during-visit" situations.

These agency clowns are funny.
While it is known very few men actually visit, I actually read an agency owner claiming they don't supply women's contacts because in the past they experienced a flood of unexpected male visitors bothering their women![:o)]
I also read agencies complaining men fool around and never visit, but when few men DO visit, a significant percentage won't meet these women because they disappear into thin air...which begs the question whether or not they existed to start with.

Prometheus
10-23-2007, 04:53 PM
Mr. Haney Strikes Again!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photo_storage/12/128205/small.jpg

I don't know what they put in the water in Hooterville, but the clever Eustace Haney continues to be irresistible to the women of UALadys.com f/k/a Confidential Connections.

Who would have thought that Eustace Haney would be a lady killer??? Not only is he 54, but his profile reads:

My hobbies:
I have a farm and enjoy raising pigs and goats. I make my own cheese and like to distill corn liquor in my spare time.

About myself:
. . . I am a guy who flushed a ****load of money down the toilet with confidentialconnections.com now ualadys.com. this is a test. Do not contact me unless you are a scam artist.

I guess that homemade moonshine is an aphrodisiac!

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1895/small.jpg
31 year old Natalya G. #1895 says...

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR NATALYA

Hello, my dear Eustace!

I saw your profile, that interested me much.

I want to tell about myself.

I am a very romantic person. I like to travel, and, although, I have not been anywhere, I want to see all world.

I liked your survey, and I think that we have a lot of common. I think we should know each other better, and only then you will understand that you have a good luck to aqcuaint with me.

I have a little son, I do not have relatives, unfortunately. My son is a happyness of my life. I have a big dream - I want to make him happy. I want a true family for him - a mother, a father, a grandmother and a grandfather [that would be you Eustace]. ;)

Write me about you, please. What do you like to do when you have free time?

Tell me about your family.

Do you like to travel?

I hope to see the understanding person in you, who will become a good support for us.

I hope you will be interested in me too. I am waiting for your answer.

I wish you all the best.

Regards,

Nataly

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/1895/906850_69925.jpg
LOVE THESE TOES, PERFECT FOR GRIPPING SMALL BRANCHES![:o)]

Not so fast Eustace!!! Not to be out done...

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2710/small.jpg

21 year old Tamara T. #2710 says


Subject: I hope to get your reply.


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My darling Eustace,

Hi,let me introduce myself. My name is Tamara. I live in Kherson , Ukraine. Perhaps I am not too good in writing, I dont want to write just stereotyped letter to you, which can be uninteresting for you. I just want you to know, that I want to communicate with you a little bit and learn you a little. If you think we can become a couple, please, write me, and I promise to write you more about me and about my life in free form. I have no words to express my hope to get your reply.[I do... spend $7 for a form letter] Yours Toma.

http://photo.ualadys.com/photos/0/2710/907387_35335.jpg
PUTTING THE HOOTER IN HOOTERVILLE SINCE 1986![:o)]

"This has been a Flimways presentation dahling..."

PeopleSmoks
10-23-2007, 06:53 PM
Prometheus... Your "Mr. Haney" updates are the best!!!!!!!!!
quote:About myself:
. . . I am a guy who flushed a ****load of money down the toilet with confidentialconnections.com now ualadys.com. this is a test. Do not contact me unless you are a scam artist.
You're serious? You put this in the profile??? I guess the $7 per letter translators missed that one?[:I]

My personal anti-scam is about to be unleashed on the latest lovely who has recently declared her "undying love" for me. I smell passport/visa scam coming soon.[}:)]

I wrote to her suggesting that we should begin making plans for me to visit her in a few months. Her response was some jibberish about her coming to me later this month, followed by a story about a man in England who she saved HER money to go to meet and he never showed up.[:0]

She's no supermodel, but I bet none of us would blow her off if she flew to see one of us using her own money. Something smells fishy... oops, I was eating shrimp...[8D]

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jake122969
10-24-2007, 04:01 PM
THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR NATALYA

Hello dear Michael!

You are always in my mind Michael.

The thought of you makes me happy dear Michael.

This day is wounderful and I enjoy it.

Everything is good at my job, and I have a good rest after my job.


Today in the evening I want to spend time with Anton and with my friend.

She also has a child, I think that Anton will be also glad to play together.

I work till 5 o`clock and my friend works till 6 o`clock, so I will go to take Anton from the kindergarten and then we will go for a walk and as we decided to meet in the park, we will go there.

I want to play some toy for Anton, maybe it will be a new car or something else.

When we meet we will decide where to go, I do not know yet.

But in any case we will spend time well as always.

I dream that some day when we will be together we will go for a walk together, you me and Anton.

Dear Michael we will be a very happy family, I even imagine it.

I hope that you will think of me and I wish you a nice evening.

I kiss you Michael.

Michael I will wait for your reply my darling.

Your Natalya

Here is my Reply:

Dear Natalya


This will be my last letter to you. Because it has come to my attention that this website is rather unscrupulous in its design and business plan. I dont believe they have your and mine best interest at heart. It is clear to me that at least some of the women are mere pictures and the letters are either forced or manufactured by management. I have no desire to spend money and receive form letters from you. So if you wish to contact me you are welcome to mail me at my private email which is rms0872@xxxxxxx.net I doubt if they will allow you to read this address though.


Michael

I dont know how to copy photos to this forum but this is the same Natalya G 1895 posted earlier

PeopleSmoks
10-24-2007, 07:33 PM
quote:I doubt if they will allow you to read this address though.

jake, you have a better chance of finding a 30 yo virgin at a brothel in Amsterdam than them giving her your e-address.

If she needs her letters translated for her, who's going to do it even if she did wtite to you in private? She'll find a translation service that will charge $5 USD per letter to and from. Payment goes to her via WU, of course!

The biggest reason I won't use UA, is that every girl needs a translator. Any site that charges one price for a letter from a certain girl and a different price for a letter from another girl is bogus. Buying credits... BULLSH!T!!!!!!!!

Translation scams are easy to avoid. Don't write to a girl that doesn't speak your language. Sure, it narrows the field and maybe I'm missing out on a great girl, but next comes English lessons etc.

Yea, there are plenty of scams that they can try, but I just can't understand why anyone would constantly fork out money to UA or any other "agency" to send and receive e-mails.

According to David Chester, Ukraine is over-flowing with beautiful girls. There simply MUST be at least one who is really looking for someone and speaks English, who isn't a scammer... Right?...Maybe???

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PeopleSmoks
10-24-2007, 09:56 PM
I feel soooooooooo special now to be a member of the Natalya G. #1895 club!!!
http://www.ualadys.com/photo2.rpx?id=1895
From:
To:
Date:

Subject:

Natalya G. #1895
Bob H. #404388
08 October 2007

I wait you, my dear Bob


THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR NATALYA

Hello, my dear Bob!

I saw your profile, that interested me much.

I want to tell about myself.

I am a very romantic person. I like to travel, and, although, I have not been anywhere, I want to see all world.

I liked your survey, and I think that we have a lot of common. I think we should know each other better, and only then you will understand that you have a good luck to aqcuaint with me.

I have a little son, I do not have relatives, unfortunately. My son is a happyness of my life. I have a big dream - I want to make him happy. I want a true family for him - a mother, a father, a grandmother and a grandfather.

Write me about you, please. What do you like to do when you have free time?

Tell me about your family.

Do you like to travel?

I hope to see the understanding person in you, who will become a good support for us.

I hope you will be interested in me too. I am waiting for your answer.

I wish you all the best.

Regards,

Nataly


Here's my UA profile that I filled out about 6 or 7 months ago so I could check out the site. (I laughed at the payment plan and never bothered to remove my profile.) This is what Natalya G. Is writing to???

No Photo

Bob H. #404388

Age 44 years old
Birth Date: 1963 September 24

Height:177 cm Weight: 78 kg
Eyes: Brown Glasses (lens): No
Hair: Brown

Children: No children


Country: USA City: xxxxxxxxx Zip: xxxxx
Race: Native American Religion: Unspecified

Education: Associate's Degree
Employment/Career: Skilled Trade

Smoke: Smoke Drink: Drink all the time[:p]

My hobbies:

About myself:

Employment:
Skilled Trade

Note that as much as these girls all hate the men in their country because they smoke and drink too much, I put that I smoke often and drink all the time, and still get letters of interest![8D]

I should post a photo of Scott Wylan and fill out my profile saying I'm a recovering heroin junkie! That should double the letters I get![:o)]

At least Mr. Haney isn't a booze hound like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ham
10-25-2007, 03:39 AM
quote:According to David Chester, Ukraine is over-flowing with beautiful girls. There simply MUST be at least one who is really looking for someone and speaks English, who isn't a scammer... Right?...Maybe???




maybe...
well, there is no easy way out of this game.
If one opts for women fluent in his language (because many claim fluency but then are unable to carry a meaningful conversation ), there is an additional set of problems.
Usually women really fluent in foreign language are the visa queen type, the career girl type.
Around these forums, FSUWs with passable English behave as if they had triple doctorates in sanscrit, astrophysics & pure mathematics.
With minor exceptions, these women will exhibit sky-high expectations molded around the overly inflated image they have of themselves.
Assuredly, you are not going to find a meek, shy, decent country girl among them.
What do you do then with a likely high-expectations riddle of a woman?
Of course, it just might be she has laid on her back to pass exams at the university, but what matters is how she sees herself, and she sees a very special & highly deserving person short of a genius.

Second, the vastest majority of men tend to think like that, so they tend to hang around the few women fluent in their language.
Even if these women (IF) had a decent moral fiber to start with, they'd just morph into greedy opportunists over time, because unless they meet a real sucker, no "man who has been around" will ever marry them.
Ever wondered about all those stories of men on tour ending in bed with their interpreters (again: typically students with high expectations )?

PeopleSmoks
10-25-2007, 11:57 PM
quote:Ever wondered about all those stories of men on tour ending in bed with their interpreters (again: typically students with high expectations )?
As long as the interpretor looks good, why not get her in the sack! At least you won't go home with nothing!

Also, realize my thinking on this: Girl doesn't speak or write your language... You pay for letter translations and English lessons. Could be legit? Could be a scam?

Girl speaks and writes your language... As soon as she begins to insist on you sending money via WU for her to get a visa, you know she's a scam!!!

I have the cash put away to hop on a plane tomorrow.(No, I'm not a "Bruce Wayne" douche bag type pretender with tights and a cape, note the "put away" part.) My thing is , "Hey, I'll come visit you first because I think it is respectful of me to present myself to the family of the girl I wish to take away to live in a foriegn land."

Which, by the way, is really how I feel. So far, the scammers will become VERY insistent about them coming to me, and as I insist on me flying to them, they dissappear.[8D]

My ONLY real fear is the b!tch that lets me get on the plane and waste my time (and money). I hope I don't come across that one! So far I haven't!!![8]

Anyone, how the heck do you post pics??????????????? I put the http://.......... in and all I get is a red X?:(

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Prometheus
10-26-2007, 12:21 AM
quote:Anyone, how the heck do you post pics??????????????? I put the http://.......... in and all I get is a red X?

Use html code... click the "insert picture" button on the Format line and insert your http:// address or type [ img ][ /img ] and put the address in the middle. I added spaces to allow you to see the code.

As to all who wrote about Natalya, that is the reason for Mr. Haney's posts. Some poor love sick sap is going to Google her name and read about just how sincere her "You are always in my mind" really is...

Prometheus

PeopleSmoks
10-26-2007, 12:59 AM
Hey Prometheus, what you said to do is what I think I' tried, but it didn't work??? Oh well!!!

I didn't write to Natalya, she wrote to me, to the profile I posted here. I have several profiles like that around the web. Minimum info to post a profile.... and check out the girls.

With UA, once I found out about the pay for each letter thing, I never bothered with them.


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jake122969
10-26-2007, 01:00 AM
From:
To:
Date:

Subject:
Natalya G. #1895
Michael S. #560453
25 October 2007

Re: Re: Re: beautiful Natalya


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR NATALYA

Hello Michael!

I like you Michael but I see that you decided to break my heart.

Why???

Understand me that I can not write to your email, because I do not know English, because I do not have a computer and email.

Why do not you understand me Michael?

I had so many news to tell you but ...

I would like to continue our relationships.

Sincerely,

Natalya



Why does she make me feel guilty? I am the victim of Natalya G 1895

PeopleSmoks
10-26-2007, 01:04 AM
Dude, no crap, the Natalya letter I just posted has been apparently sitting in my UA mailbox since 10/8. How can you feel bad knowing that?

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ham
10-26-2007, 05:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by PeopleSmoks


quote:Ever wondered about all those stories of men on tour ending in bed with their interpreters (again: typically students with high expectations )?
As long as the interpretor looks good, why not get her in the sack! At least you won't go home with nothing!

Also, realize my thinking on this: Girl doesn't speak or write your language... You pay for letter translations and English lessons. Could be legit? Could be a scam?

Girl speaks and writes your language... As soon as she begins to insist on you sending money via WU for her to get a visa, you know she's a scam!!!

I have the cash put away to hop on a plane tomorrow.(No, I'm not a "Bruce Wayne" douche bag type pretender with tights and a cape, note the "put away" part.) My thing is , "Hey, I'll come visit you first because I think it is respectful of me to present myself to the family of the girl I wish to take away to live in a foriegn land."

Which, by the way, is really how I feel. So far, the scammers will become VERY insistent about them coming to me, and as I insist on me flying to them, they dissappear.[8D]

My ONLY real fear is the b!tch that lets me get on the plane and waste my time (and money). I hope I don't come across that one! So far I haven't!!![8]

Anyone, how the heck do you post pics??????????????? I put the http://.......... in and all I get is a red X?:(

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1 posting pics
easier to create a free geocities.com site.
they have automated scripts to get you going.

2 well, you can go in bed with as many women as you can, but my point was another:
suppose "you have been around", and suppose you are wise to the way the game is played; suppose further that you might have travelled and ended in bed seamlessly with the interpreter(s) or other women fluent in your language.
WOULD YOU MARRY ONE OF THEM?
I would be VEEEERY HESITANT.
You (or I or Pedro, Barney, Wong & Leroy next door ) are not Brad Pitt; we are no coveted billionaire or celebrity.
If she has hopped in bed with me overnight, chances are she has done so over&over, and can very well do so here seeking to "trade up".
I don't know...reminds me of alcoholics or chain smokers who -all of them- claim they can quit at leisure, but never do.

My other point was that for obvious reasons, the pool of women fluent in foreign languages is small. I'm not saying it is a bad idea to seek them per se. The pool is small but most foreign men are swimming there...

PeopleSmoks
10-26-2007, 08:34 AM
quote:2 well, you can go in bed with as many women as you can, but my point was another:
suppose "you have been around", and suppose you are wise to the way the game is played; suppose further that you might have travelled and ended in bed seamlessly with the interpreter(s) or other women fluent in your language.
WOULD YOU MARRY ONE OF THEM?

Hey, who knows? I nailed my "X" in the parking lot of a bar we never quite made it inside of the first time we ever went out.... and... let me see... 7 years together... 6 years of pure hell... You're right! Bad move, but you could still always start corresponding with the girl... At least it won't cost you $5 a pop to write her a letter!!!

Or would it????????

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Prometheus
10-26-2007, 11:43 AM
I have made this suggestion before, but there are some truly wonderful, kind, agreeable FSU women who want to please a man and make a family. Trouble is, you won't find them online. They are Orthodox. It takes about a year to prepare for Chrismation and Baptism in the Orthodox church. By the time you are ready, you'll forget what you were looking for in the first place. There are many FSU women in Orthodox congregations all over the West, some of them divorcees dumped by crazy Westerners. They also have families and friends in the FSU that would be happy to put you up and assist you in your search for an Orthodox bride. Marriage is a sacrament of the Church, so don't take it lightly, she won't.

PeopleSmoks
10-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Hey Prometheus! Interesting thought. So I should hanging around the Ukrainian church that's just a few blocks past the hospital where I use to take my heroin junkie ex-girl for rehab???

NEWS FLASH: One of the ten or so girls I've been writing to finally dropped her bomb! (yea, I write to about ten girls at a time basically using form letters and paste and sticks since that's what they send me... do unto other as they have done unto you!)

Anyway, after making her declaration of love a few letters ago and telling me she wanted to meet, I agreed and asked her for more info so I could make arrangements to fly to Russia.

With today's letter i got the thong bikini pic and a story about why she should come to me. It's soooooo cold where she lives! (winters in New Jersey get down to -10 F and I work outside sometimes, so that doesn't work) Besides, the latest weather shows temps 30 to 40 F in her area.

I have also been informed that it's apparently a "tradition" that a Russian girl will visit her beloved's family first, even if that mean flying 5,000 miles to a strange country. Has anyone ever heard of this "tradition"?

My standard response is that it's a "tradition" for an honorable man in America to visit the girl's country to present himself to her loving family as a showing of respect to them and to show his good intentions toward their beloved daughter or sister.

PRETTY GOOD HUH???:D

Well guys, I just got a new letter from a sweet little Ukrainian dove who also wants to meet me. Let's see what load of poop she tries to shove down my throat and tell me it's candy????

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ham
10-27-2007, 02:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Prometheus

I have made this suggestion before, but there are some truly wonderful, kind, agreeable FSU women who want to please a man and make a family. Trouble is, you won't find them online. They are Orthodox. It takes about a year to prepare for Chrismation and Baptism in the Orthodox church. By the time you are ready, you'll forget what you were looking for in the first place. There are many FSU women in Orthodox congregations all over the West, some of them divorcees dumped by crazy Westerners. They also have families and friends in the FSU that would be happy to put you up and assist you in your search for an Orthodox bride. Marriage is a sacrament of the Church, so don't take it lightly, she won't.


there was a similar thread elsewhere...
FSU people are mostly atheist (it makes sense ).
well, much the same might be said about western christians, too, unless one deals with a few unconventional and marginal sects or denominations; the vast masses claim themselves religious as it's nice and kind of expected of them. As well, never forget the "reading her bible" is part of the lines fed to lovesick men by slick agencies: what impact would have on dating business claiming that these women have no religious qualms whatsoever?
I am taking a free-time course from a MORMON university explaining the book of Mormon...those are people taking religion seriously, well most of them.
However, I don't know how much these unconventional denominations might suit YOUR needs or fit within YOUR preexisting religious affiliation.


quote:So I should hanging around the Ukrainian church that's just a few blocks past the hospital where I use to take my heroin junkie ex-girl for rehab???

hanging around a church isn't enough...you might mostly meet people of insipid religious beliefs there because it is respectable to do so, BUT in the rare case you do find a truly religious girl, she will expect you to be as religious as she is. Hint: a "man's paradise" is often NOT superposed with religion (EG sex ).


quote:I have also been informed that it's apparently a "tradition" that a Russian girl will visit her beloved's family first, even if that mean flying 5,000 miles to a strange country. Has anyone ever heard of this "tradition"?

hahaha!

PeopleSmoks
10-27-2007, 02:49 PM
Did you miss me? I'm back!

Okay, this one says she wants our meeting and doesn't shy away from me going to Ukraine but, this is the second time she's hinted about not having a computer at home so she can write to me more often.

We exchange letters darn near every day! I didn't communicate with my pig X this much and the skank b!tch wh@re lived with me! (ok, I still have some issues regarding my X!!!!) If you knew her, you'd have issue too.[B)]

If she's even remotely honest about her intentions to possibly be together, I'm starting to think this girl will end up talking my ear off!



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PeopleSmoks
10-27-2007, 03:01 PM
Hey ham!
quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have also been informed that it's apparently a "tradition" that a Russian girl will visit her beloved's family first, even if that mean flying 5,000 miles to a strange country. Has anyone ever heard of this "tradition"?
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quote:hahaha!
Yea, I already know! I'm glad you got a laugh out of it too!!!

quote:FSU people are mostly atheist (it makes sense ).

Actually, I heard quite differently. I heard that many FSU people were "closet christians" because religion was outlawed in the Soviet Union. Now they are able to thump the bible with Billy Gramham and Oral Roberts just like Americans do!

Of course, there are also many who ARE atheist, but that is now by their own choice.

quote:However, I don't know how much these unconventional denominations might suit YOUR needs or fit within YOUR preexisting religious affiliation.

Trust me, I'm not planning on converting just to please a woman.

By the way, I was talking about MY form letters and recycling before... FUN FACT: 5 of the girls are named Olga!!! I haven't changed in years. I was with 4 or 5 American girls in the past, all named Jennifer! It really does make life soooooooooo much easier that way!

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PeopleSmoks
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Just a few hours after telling her it would not be good for her to come here first, I receive a letter from "Olga #1" followe by a letter from "a travel agency" with all the prices and the person to send my WU payment to.....

Dear Sir Bob.

You are disturbed by the manager of travel agency Natalia Adushkina.

Due to the request of Ms.Olga Vedernikova we send you the information about
the tour from Russia to USA.

The full package of documents will be made out 12-14 days.

Foreign passport - 97 Euros
Tourist visa for a month, one entry - 141 Euros
Medical card - 40 Euros
Turn tickets - 603 Euros

TOTAL: 881 Euros

PAYMENT INFO:

You can make payment through fast and safe system
of remittances " Western Union " or " Money Gram " and here my full data
for payment of documents:

NAME: NATALIA
SURNAME: ADUSHKINA
COUNTRY: RUSSIA
CITY: SERNUR
ADDRESS: PETROVA STREET, 36

For reception of payment your full name and a surname and also your
full home address is required
to me and also after transfer of money in bank to you will inform
confidential number MTCN (Money Transfer Control Number) and it also
is required to me for reception of money.

I shall wait from you payment up to November, 1 (Thursday) 2007.


I can offer for Ms. Olga Vedernikova the best
air flight for November, 12, 2007.



With best regards.

................................................


Travel Agency " T R A V E L M A S T E R? "

Russia, Sernur, Petrova street, 36

Official site: www.travel-master.narod.ru

E-mail: travel-master@mail.ru

Believe it or not, the website actually exists and the e-mail address is the one posted on the site. The site is in Russian of course!!![8]

I think I'l send that 803 euros pronto!!!!![:o)]

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ham
10-27-2007, 06:50 PM
quote:I heard that many FSU people were "closet christians" because religion was outlawed in the Soviet Union. Now they are able to thump the bible with Billy Gramham and Oral Roberts just like Americans do!

Right..."WERE".
I'm not saying there were/are not devoutly religious FSU people, but as said, which man would join a Mormon or Amish community to chase women?
1 in a million?
However it is 2007 now.
About a 20-25yo girl born in 1982-7 we can safely say she never made the experience of the USSR, an experience which changed their life, the USSR lifestyle.
Perhaps if you are chasing 50yo+ ladies, THEN (only then) you might (just might) meet closeted christians from the full-blown USSR days which, by the way, reeled with the death of Brezhnev and withered under very old/impaired and short-lived bureaucrats Andropov and Chernenko.
But most men are chasing girls in their teens, or max early 30s ( a minority).

This whole hoax about religion is another ploy masterminded by agencies & middlemen...FSUWs love to cook, are unspoilt nurturers, non-materialistic, sexual yet very domestic, love to do house chores as opposed to mundane activities...
Ask any man who knows the game about it.
Well, it might -just might- be true of some people; but it might be true of some WESTERN people, especially very religious/conservative-survivalist people.
I was once browsing a US "christian" women forum of a strict denomination and was surprised to read (at face value) how young on average women claimed to be; and how many claimed they had married their highschool sweetheart or even childhood sweetheart.
If a girl met her BF at 15, married at 20, and belongs to a strict denomination, then maybe she hasn't laid the entire fire brigade, soccer league and so on.
The vastest majority of them claimed they are very religious, and their husbands as well.
Short: i doubt those women are posing in sexually alluring pictures over the internet.

PeopleSmoks
10-27-2007, 09:56 PM
Hey ham! I don't think I have ever dissagreed with you on anything you've ever posted before, but.......

quote:About a 20-25yo girl born in 1982-7 we can safely say she never made the experience of the USSR, an experience which changed their life, the USSR lifestyle.

From what I understand, the girls of this age group actually respect their parents. Granted, a pleasant left over of the old USSR, and something almost unknown to western parents. Their parents were the closet christians of "the old days". It can be reasoned that they raised their kids with their beliefs.(or at least tried to as most parents do)[:0]

quote:Perhaps if you are chasing 50yo+ ladies,
Three words... NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Although, I should never say never...Maybe when I'm 70 something the 50 yos will start looking pretty good, but with my lifestyle, tomorrow is a blessing! 70 is a dream![8D]

quote:This whole hoax about religion is another ploy masterminded by agencies & middlemen...FSUWs love to cook, are unspoilt nurturers, non-materialistic, sexual yet very domestic, love to do house chores as opposed to mundane activities...[:p]

Sure, a lot of the bullsh!t is coaxed by the agencies. Again, I don't disbelieve that their are "real" girls out there who were raised in good homes. It again seems you suggest that ALL FSU's are scammers or dirty little wh@res, raised without any morals. I thought it was the belief that such "mundane" girls still exist that draws guys like you and me to FSU's???[:I]

Seriously, are there no girls in Italy between the ages of 20 -25 who were raised in good homes? Big guy, there are good ones and turds floating in the bowl in every country. It's supply and demand. Guys like us hope to find the "good" ones. We stir the pot and bring the turds floating!:(
:(
quote:If a girl met her BF at 15, married at 20, and belongs to a strict denomination, then maybe she hasn't laid the entire fire brigade, soccer league and so on.

Again, you seem to suggest that every girl in the FSU past a certain age CAN'T be legitimate. Do you really believe this?[?]

I'm far from a bible thumper, but I don't care if others are. I belong to "The Church of Whatever Gets You Through the Night" Basically, if you need Oral Roberts to get out of bed and face the day... so be it. If you say God is dead or never was... fine... Or anything in between. Just be a good person.[}:)]

Finally, you have to realize I was kidding with Prometheus about hanging outside the Ukrainian church.. ALTHOUGH..............[8D]


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ham
10-28-2007, 04:27 AM
quote:I thought it was the belief that such "mundane" girls still exist that draws guys like you and me to FSU's???

well, as i said, men's paradise isn't superposed with typical religious values.


quote:Seriously, are there no girls in Italy between the ages of 20 -25 who were raised in good homes?

A few might still exist (very few, according to my mother's relayed doctor's & hairdresser's parlor gossip ), but who tells you these rare gems would want ANYTHING to do with me?
There ARE pretty girls EVERYWHERE, but they wouldn't give me the time of the day if my life depended on it.
As the example of the "christian women forum" shows, good girls usually marry or enter steady relationships early.
Short...
1. there are very few good girls (according to grandparents' ideals )
2. these girls are mostly engaged or married (EG to men they met in their church )


quote:Again, you seem to suggest that every girl in the FSU past a certain age CAN'T be legitimate. Do you really believe this?

I was [u]NOT</u> talking about legitimacy (EG not being a scammer or not being Igor ); i was responding to a post talking about RELIGION & RELIGIOUS VALUES.


quote:Their parents were the closet christians of "the old days". It can be reasoned that they raised their kids with their beliefs.(or at least tried to as most parents do)

hmmm
most third world illegal aliens here belong to strict cultures with heavy religious influence. Typically, the grandmother goes around padded in scarves like a football pro; the daughter might still wear head scarf, but the turkish way (EG a normal woman with a head scarf ); the granddaughter is wearing miniskirts, drinking alcohol, having sex and wants to study women's studies...
Not all, but a very sensible trend.

PeopleSmoks
10-28-2007, 04:37 PM
quote:A few might still exist (very few, according to my mother's relayed doctor's & hairdresser's parlor gossip ), but who tells you these rare gems would want ANYTHING to do with me?

Two things here, ham. First, it's very rare for anyone to compliment the good they see in other people every day. It's so much easier to criticize the bad and the ugly. This seems to be a sad but true thing in all countries and cultures.

Second, why wouldn't a nice girl want anything to do with you??? Are you an assh@le? An ogre? Jack the Ripper? Okay, so maybe you're not being begged to replace Fabio on the covers of so many romance novels, but neither am I or any of the other guys posting in forums here!

Again, this goes to modern attitudes of always seeking the bad and ugly everywhere. We even seek out our own less admirable traits and end up putting ourselves down. I never met you, but you can't be all bad!!! My X even had some redeming qualities about her when she wasn't looking for her next high.

Again, you refer to "christian women's forum". I was only kidding about hanging around the Ukrainian church. But yea, ultra-conservative, right-wing bible thumpers do seem to tend to stay within their own circle when it comes to marriages etc.

Churches have been social gathering places for as long as I can imagine. My grandparents met at church, but that was in the time when people went to church because it was the socially EXPECTED thing to do on Sunday.

quote:I was NOT talking about legitimacy (EG not being a scammer or not being Igor ); i was responding to a post talking about RELIGION & RELIGIOUS VALUES.
Neither was I. I was asking if you believe that there are no 20 -25 yo girls in the FSU who really go to church, or at least have some sort of relious beliefs or sense of moral values? And is it fair to say that because a girl didn't marry or become engaged to her childhood sweetheart by the time she was 20 that she may have taken the frieght train from the fire brigade or soccer team?

I like to think that girls like that are the rare exception. Sure, I don't expect to find a 28 yo virgin, but I would like to believe that every single girl in the FSU that's over the age of 20 isn't a dirty little wh@re either!!!

quote:most third world illegal aliens here belong to strict cultures with heavy religious influence. Typically, the grandmother goes around padded in scarves like a football pro; the daughter might still wear head scarf, but the turkish way (EG a normal woman with a head scarf ); the granddaughter is wearing miniskirts, drinking alcohol, having sex and wants to study women's studies...
Not all, but a very sensible trend.
This is simple youth rebelling against the culture of their parents. The people you refer to are very prevailant in the US as well. My perosnal belief is that their's is a very repressive culture toward women in general.

Once given a taste of the freedoms enjoyed by people outside of their native lands, it seems these girls swing widly toward the opposite pole. I liken it to Catholic school girls who roll their uniform skirts up to the crotch as they walk to and from school and then back to the knee when they reach their distination, or even the hippies of the 60's and early 70's.

These pot smoking, acid dropping folks are currently wearing suits and ties, and running your's and my governments!

PeopleSmoks' words of wisdom: "Stupid people make the world go 'round! Just look to our world leaders if you don't believe me...

In general, I would like to believe that there are some good, honest, women with strong values in the FSU who are really looking to find a good guy and that they aren't all scammers or wh@res. Why else would we all be looking there???[8D]

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imported_admin
10-28-2007, 05:30 PM
Hi PeopleSmoks,

Thank you for last posting. You are right about why this site is online - to warn men from scammers on dating sites. And be sure there are a lot of "good, honest women with strong values in the FSU".

Regards,
Forum Administrator and Stop-Scammers.com Team

P.S. This is just a friendly note, we don't like the idea to be a part of discussions. Censoring only...:)

ham
10-28-2007, 05:56 PM
quote:Neither was I. I was asking if you believe that there are no 20 -25 yo girls in the FSU who really go to church, or at least have some sort of relious beliefs or sense of moral values? And is it fair to say that because a girl didn't marry or become engaged to her childhood sweetheart by the time she was 20 that she may have taken the frieght train from the fire brigade or soccer team?

[u]There are some.</u> Indeed they [u]have to</u>exist, at least a few of them.
But another problem arises.
Who tells you that these "good" girls with a strong moral compass are seeking romance over the internet?
You seemed to answer the question yourself: these "good girls" mostly tend to choose within their social circles (EG churches; it's not compulsory to be a bigot or to "hear voices" ); most of all, most of them appear to be taken, and -since they are "good girls"- they STAY in the relationship, for they are dependable.
<center>DEPENDABILITY</center>
is the primary virtue for me.

Now I'm not saying there aren't some, just that odds are staked in your disfavor...hell, it is difficult to find a DECENT girl online, you bet a GOOD one!
EG a decent girl may be a girl who albeit "having been around" might now have decided to honestly settle down.


quote:Second, why wouldn't a nice girl want anything to do with you??? Are you an assh@le? An ogre? Jack the Ripper? Okay, so maybe you're not being begged to replace Fabio on the covers of so many romance novels, but neither am I or any of the other guys posting in forums here!

do [u]not</u>mistake my words for cheap self-esteem self-loathing.
The earlier people come to terms with their limits, the better: I just have come to terms with mines.
Just a couple years ago, before a row of poor health, I performed very interesting feats of strenght in my gym, side to side with professional competitors & local champions...and this far I've never taken steroids or drugs.
I am widely learnt & am pursuing different degrees for fun.
I am an average person with poor looks & not enough money to make up for that: this is truth, not self-pity.
Women always bawl how they would love men with many interests and a great education & all; and how they despise the opposite.
Come think of it, not everybody can be a crossbreed between Bruce Lee and Jacques Derrida, but let's get close.
Barred a few examples of mutually attracted "freaks" in any given field, from literary criticism to judo, if you are a gym rat, judo rat, climbing rat, whatever sport rat (except mass sports like soccer that tend to attract rabble anyway ), what does your topmodel care?

If you are a learning rat like myself, can you really discuss Locke or Descartes with your pretty woman? what does she care?
Mind you, one might be a conic sections rat or a gas physics rat, it only gets worse.

Perhaps it is my problem: I came to distrust the internet when it comes to dating & interpersonal issues.
I think the real opportunity lies with real women in the FSU outside the internet scene.

PeopleSmoks
10-30-2007, 12:13 AM
quote:Who tells you that these "good" girls with a strong moral compass are seeking romance over the internet?
Why not? There are literaly hundreds of thousands of verifiable scammers in the FSU... TRUE! There are literaly millions upon millions of women. Who's to say there aren't any good, honest, "real" women out there looking for a guy who will treat them right?

From personal observations of the FSU men who live in my area, I can say that at least some of the stories of arrogance are true regarding at least MOST of these men I've observed and their general behavior in public. I'm not saying all FSU men are this way, but I have observed it.

Who's to say what really is nad isn't true? I can't speak about the other stories of physical and mental abuse, but it does happen everywhere and many studies conclude this to happen in economically stressed regions.

Last I heard, the FSU states are struggling a bit since the break up. So, it's possible these stories also have some basis in truth. Again, I'm not saying every man ih the FSU is a d!ckhead toward women, I'm saying the socio-economic ground work is in place for such behavior.

Certainly many of the stories are highly generalized and most certainly exaggerated for the benefit of those of us who venture onto FSU dating/MOB sites.

It also is easy to say that the content of many profiles is, if not created by, is heavily influenced by the agencies. Thus the similarity found across the board. It's intended to be what a guy wants to read! It's a sales technique. "Give 'em what they want."

Profile "A": I the kind girl. Of me is 28 years. I like to keep a cozy home. I wish to meet my soulmate and create a loving family.

Profile "B": I the heroin junkie. Of me is 35 years. I like to cut myself with razor and blame my man for my screwing up.

Okay, it just wouldn't be me if I didn't through my X in here somewhere! But the point is, which is more appealing to you? Even the "real" girl has to "sell" herself to be seen as a prospective mate to the guys who are looking. Guys like you and me have seen the same basic format so many times and for so long that it seems like it MUST be bullsh!t, especially since the scammers use the same format.

But, I just want to know why is it that a good girl CAN'T be out there looking for something better???

quote:You seemed to answer the question yourself: these "good girls" mostly tend to choose within their social circles (EG churches; it's not compulsory to be a bigot or to "hear voices" ); most of all, most of them appear to be taken, and -since they are "good girls"- they STAY in the relationship, for they are dependable.

Again you are focusing tooooooooooooooo hard on the wrong idea. The whole thing about hanging outside the Ukrainian church was a JOKE!!!!!

That said, I have beliefs and morals. I haven't been to a church in over 30 years for any other reason than a wedding, funeral, or the fact that the company I work for services the a/c and heat in about 30 churches in my area.

Get off the church thing. Being a good person and having morals has absolutely nothing to do with going to church. There's a bunch of Catholic priests out there who are more than willing to "share their morals" with the alterboy's butt![}:)]

quote:Perhaps it is my problem: I came to distrust the internet when it comes to dating & interpersonal issues.
I think the real opportunity lies with real women in the FSU outside the internet scene.

BINGO! Hey, I've been lied to left and right by scammers. No, I don't trust any girl I meet online, so I don't get my hopes up too high about anything I find here.

I wait for.."I don't speak English, so I use the translation service" (after 4 or 5 letters),"I have fallen in love with you" (7 or 8 letters) and of course,"I want you to send me money via WU so I can hop on a plane and fly to a foriegn country to be with you".

When these lines come, I have developed my little tests, they promptly fail, and I move on. Honestly, $2000 to fly over there just to go looking is a bit out of my means. If I ever find a girl that makes it through the online scam testing I do, I'll gladly hop on a plane!!![8D]

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Prometheus
10-30-2007, 12:34 AM
Interesting conversation you two are having. I suspect we are the only three people who still check this thread.

My point is that Orthodoxy is not your typical religious experience. It is a way of life more than a belief system.

The Orthodox women in my church cover their heads in the nave, defer for the most part to their husbands, bear and raise children without viewing it as a burden, and generally live a modest, virtuous life. It isn't about Bible thumping, it is merely a life attuned to achieving Theosis, or unity with God. Because humility plays a big role in all of this, I see the husbands and wives on this path giving great respect and support to each other.

I'm just saying there are a lot of great FSU women out there. They just are not enrolled at the introduction agencies.

ham
10-30-2007, 06:42 AM
quote: I'm just saying there are a lot of great FSU women out there. They just are not enrolled at the introduction agencies.

this is moreless what I'm saying.


quote:Who's to say there aren't any good, honest, "real" women out there looking for a guy who will treat them right?

But, I just want to know why is it that a good girl CAN'T be out there looking for something better???



1 are all ravens truly black?
2 is there intelligent life in our galaxy?

First i never said "all cannot": i said it is extremely difficult. I don't know all women and cannot therefore comment.
I say that online dating is like gambling...sooner or later you'll pay your dues...or perhaps you'll rank among the few lucky ones who come home a millionaire...both categories exist: just a matter of chance and statistics!


quote:Again you are focusing tooooooooooooooo hard on the wrong idea. The whole thing about hanging outside the Ukrainian church was a JOKE!!!!!

I was responding to another post, not yours.
It is easy to depict me like someone weird who does all wrong, but the game is the same for everybody.

http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=558

there i demonstrated a majority of profiles are ages old. Sure, that is just one example. Since FSUWs are on average prettier than the dustbags you might meet in a singles' bar at home, how comes, how can you explain they remain single and looking for years?

Prometheus
10-31-2007, 01:16 AM
quote:It is easy to depict me like someone weird who does all wrong, but the game is the same for everybody.


Ham, you were there when I needed guidance last year, and I thank you for the contributions you have made.

I think there are a limited number of regular contributors to this forum. My goal, through the McHaney posts, etc., is to simply ensure that other victims who Google their supposed loves will realize they are being victimized.

I think ALL of the FSU online dating, mating, translating websites are an utter crock of bull hockey. Maybe 1 in 1000 gets lucky, but everyone else is paying money to stoke a fantasy that just does not exist. Even a pig find an acorn ocassionally. Or, as my grandfather used to say, even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day. Twice out of 1,440 opportunities.

If you want a relationship with a FSU woman, then go where FSU women congregate or visit the FSU. That is the only way to make it happen. There are no easier routes. The grifters, prostitutes, and gold diggers at the websites are not worth the waste of your breath.

ham
10-31-2007, 07:27 PM
i know how it feels to get scammed and i want to forewarn men about it.
emotional loss can be enormous.
Then they can do whatever they want with the warning.

David Chester
10-31-2007, 07:58 PM
First, I posted my letter to UALadys Support...about my trip to Kremenchug....I received an answer, but no answer to my follow up question!! See a page or 2 back on this thread.

Since that, UALadys now has a 'testamonal' on the home page, about man's visit to Kremenchug!!

Second, I sent a link to my translator in Sumy....and she read through the postings on this thread...her is her reaction to reading these postings!

"i looked at the web-site, thank you for making a
little advert for our office. ;)
I wonder if all these man write on this site is true.
I can not say about all their experiences, of course,
but so many things that are written there is just a
crap. (Sorry!)

But anyway, when you work with human relationships,
you can not avoid such stuff :-)

Ok, I will be back to work)
Take care,
(i removed her name...since she does not know I am posting this)

The question is....how can a man, meet these beautiful Ukrainian women, without using these web sites (like UALadys)?????

I did meet a nice lady...and will return to visit her in Jan 08.

But I am also learning Russian.....so I do not need a translator...or only some translation.

The one biggest suprise I had, was I though the ladies I meet and dated (2 in Kremenchug, 7 in Sumy) Would be more excited about coming to America and getting an American man. I had good dates and very bad ones....but none of the ladies 'threw herself' at me, and all were quite cautious...about jumping into a relationship so quickly. I had the visa paperwork in my hotel room....and I told several ladies that I could start the visa process asap. Even the lady I am involved with ,would not let me start the visa process....until we have spent more time together in Jan.

So I will visit her again in Jan. and see how she feels about it then....I will not wait forever. But I think she was reasonable, to ask me to spend more time with her...before she makes such a big decision.

PeopleSmoks
10-31-2007, 10:38 PM
Hey guys! First of all, I think I said this before ham and I got into our discussion... I don't think I've ever disagreed with ham about anything!

That being said...

quote:1 are all ravens truly black?
2 is there intelligent life in our galaxy?

1)Ravens actually appear to have a pearl coat. Blacks, purples and blues, but you already knew that.
2)It all depends on what you consider to be "intelligent"??? There are times when the third rock from the sun seems to be pretty void of anything remotely resembling intelligence! Present company excepted of course!!!

quote:I'm just saying there are a lot of great FSU women out there. They just are not enrolled at the introduction agencies.
Prometheus, I've been fortunate enough to exchange a couple of e-mails with you, and I know you've been on a plane before. Do you seriously think not one girl at any site is legit, or just most, or...?[?]

quote:I was responding to another post, not yours.
It is easy to depict me like someone weird who does all wrong, but the game is the same for everybody.

1)A slight misuderstanding about the hanging outside the church thing. I was kidding about what Prometheus said earlier.
2)I don't think of you as weird, at least not any weirder than anyone else here, including me. Like Prometheus and a very small handful of others, your advice carries a lot of weight with me.

quote:If you want a relationship with a FSU woman, then go where FSU women congregate or visit the FSU. That is the only way to make it happen. There are no easier routes. The grifters, prostitutes, and gold diggers at the websites are not worth the waste of your breath.
So I should hang out at the church???? [b]KIDDING!!! But the funny thing is I passed the church on th way home from my last service call today! I do know about the prostitutes thing though. Hey, I sometimes cruise the seammer side of the information hiway, and found that a face I had often seen on several sites is an escort in Kyiv. Multiple pics, description of her and the pricing of the services she will provide! I'm sure she's not the only one.

quote: i know how it feels to get scammed and i want to forewarn men about it.
emotional loss can be enormous.
Then they can do whatever they want with the warning.
I've been jacked around too. I never lost any cash, but I know the feeling. Why do you think I started getting involved in the forums??? One girl p!ssed me off so bad because of the way she played me that every time I saw her pics on a site I'd apply to the site and write her , just to waste her time...(or Ivan's time???)I even had a 23 yo lesbian I know write her out of the blue!;)

The thing is, I think I've become a bit detached from what I write to these girls anymore.

In response to DC's post, I ask ham and Prometheus what you guys think??? Could this girl he met thru an agency be "real", or maybe just another scammer who got surprised by a guy who has the means to do the stuff that she would try to scam money for? If you throw that to them in a letter that you will pay for everyting, they usually seem to dissappear. I see scammers around almost every corner. It sucks to lose so much trust!

I'm probably getting on the plane within the next couple of months and heading to Ukraine. There are two girls that I've become interested in. They both write to me every day, or at least, almost every day and actually answer my questions. Neither has balked at my proposal to visit them or made any excuses why they should come to me. It's actually a bit scary.

I'm always cautious, but I can't see the "red flags". OH BOY!!!! What to do, what to do?????

Also, to put this into perspective, I'm 44 yo and have NEVER left the US except for my high school senior trip to Canada, and that doesn't really count because it's attached and they speak English! I never had a reason...

Any words of wisdom?????? I have plenty, but I never seem to listen to myself????

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ham
11-01-2007, 11:26 AM
quote:Hey, I sometimes cruise the seammer side of the information hiway, and found that a face I had often seen on several sites is an escort in Kyiv. Multiple pics, description of her and the pricing of the services she will provide! I'm sure she's not the only one.

well, a few companies operate both "dating" agencies and escort agencies, or stripper ("dancer") agencies.
That says all.
I remember a quite famous agency being busted in the open for that.
At first they denied it, but finally they admitted "even prostitutes need love".
While I am not prejudiced against prostitutes (=there the game is clear & fair, at least! ), the issue warrants great caution.
Sure, most of these girls' life is also made of drugs, more or less violent pimps and consequent debts at outrageous interests for dope etc,
BUT!
they are also used to deception, impersonation, manipulation and to a lifestyle of short-cuts.
Any prostitute will probably tell you -in spite of all else- she earns N times more with some sweat, than she would working as an ordinary employee, clerk or labourer.


quote:
1)Ravens actually appear to have a pearl coat. Blacks, purples and blues, but you already knew that.

I referred to
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/

quote:3.2 Some inductive paradoxes

That enumerative induction is a much subtler and more complex process than one might think is made apparent by the paradoxes of induction. The paradox of the ravens is a good example: By enumerative induction:

a is a raven and a is black,

confirms (to some small extent)

All ravens are black.

That is just a straightforward application of instance confirmation. But the same rule allows that

a is non-black and is a non-raven,

confirms (to some small extent)

all non-black things are non-ravens. ETC


quote:I'm always cautious, but I can't see the "red flags". OH BOY!!!! What to do, what to do?????

by all means go.

be careful
book your own stay.
have backup plans.
But go...you'll have no regrets afterwards.

PeopleSmoks
11-01-2007, 01:47 PM
quote:I referred to
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
Way tooooooooooooooo deep for me![:p]

Hey, I have a back up plan alright... Hang out in front of a church, or just go back to Kyiv and find the escort service I was telling you about![:o)]

Seriously, I'm going through hell trying to find internal transportation within Ukraine. It's easy and cheap to get to Kyiv, but from there to Luhansk has been a problem. Any info??? I'm not taking a "tour". It would be pointless and a waste of money since I'm not looking for girls, I already found one.

Actually, there are two girls, both named Olga(which makes my life easier). Both live in Luhans'ka oblast, but different towns. I really just want to get to Luhansk city and maybe rent a flat there. Still, it's a matter of getting from Kyiv to Luhansk.

My biggest fear right now is that I found 2 out of that 1,000 who are both "real"??? Both girls write pretty much every day, and actually answer questions. If I meet them both, and find them both to be legit, what a mess!!! Granted, it probably won't happen that way...

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ham
11-01-2007, 05:27 PM
quote: Seriously, I'm going through hell trying to find internal transportation within Ukraine. It's easy and cheap to get to Kyiv, but from there to Luhansk has been a problem. Any info??? I'm not taking a "tour". It would be pointless and a waste of money since I'm not looking for girls, I already found one.

you should hire a private driver.
but since you are a first-time tourist, I'm afraid taxis could prove extremely expensive.

PeopleSmoks
11-01-2007, 07:06 PM
Hey ham! You missed this one. I'm talking about getting from Kyiv to Luhansk. I'm thinking more along the lines of a train? or a bus? Luhansk has an airport, but international flights go to Kyiv. I'm hoping to possibly even catch a commuter flight between these two cities?

Naturally after getting to Luhansk, I'd take a cab to other places within the city and maybe again, a bus if these towns are on bus routes?

I have a lot of research to do!!![8] Any input is welcome.

I know DC said he's been to Ukraine, and Prometheus also, I think I remember you saying you've gone too? Maybe even a couple of times?

How did you get around? A cab from city to city will kill my meager budget.

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ham
11-02-2007, 01:54 AM
can't help.
I used private drivers or public transportation in big cities.

PeopleSmoks
11-02-2007, 08:16 AM
I had some luck last night. I found a site that's full of travel tips from non-Ukrainians who've visited, or now live in Ukraine. In a forum on that site there are questions posted by people like me who have never been there and replies from those who have. A couple of replies included web addresses. I found a Ukrainian based travel agent that caters to foriegn visitors.

I found train schedules from Kyiv to Luhansk and back that run daily with approximate pricing. $25 to $50 USD oneway doesn't sound too bad! The car service they offer seemed high though. $61 USD from the airport to the train station???

The part that really sucks is the flights I can afford on my budget leave me for 6 hours in Kyiv between my flight's arrival and train departure. This may not be so bad since I don't know how long it will take getting into the country or if the flight is delayed.

What can you tell me about visa requirements? I read somewhere that citizens of certain countries (including the US) don't need a visa if their stay is going to be less than 21 days???

The travel agent I mentioned also provides visa assistance for $143 USD I think it was? Is it reasonable?

The travel agent is Unipress Travel. Good? Bad? Ugly?

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David Chester
11-02-2007, 11:20 AM
You DO NOT NEED A VISA TO ENTER UKRAINE!! (IF YOU ARE A US CITIZEN, WITH A USA PASSPORT)

I was in Ukraine Oct 1 to 15, 2007.

They will ask you the name of the Hotel you are staying at!! Very Important that you have this!!

Also....if they ask for a reason for your visit....say 'tourist'!

Have a great trip!!

The women are soooooo hhhhoooooooootttttt!

But.....be cool...don't try to kiss them, hold hands....etc...IN PUBLIC!! They are very shy about this!!

They like it a lot if you keep your paws off!!! At least for a day or two....they will warm up to you if you do this!!

If you are relaxed and confident, you will do great...if you are nervous...you will strike out!! (all of the above are lessons i learned the hard way!!)

you should need about $100 bucks a day....resturants are cheap....McDonalds is expensive and it sucks

have a great trip

dave

scambuster
11-02-2007, 02:11 PM
OK Guys...need your help..
I was in CC and found I was talking to a translator [Natasha] that even somebody posted here she is either married or attached so I got my money back when I called the USA number, They did it quick. I liked this Natasha cause she spoke spanish also like me but she wasnt the prettiest, althought I dont look for that, but now I put a new fake profile and got like 47 letters so far, but I wanna know thru your latest experience with UA. I see many new ladies now and lately 2 of them I like them and I read letters like 10 times and seem to be real not from translator so I come here to see the update on UA before I spend the money. I'll go for unlimited emails for a month and see if she gives me a hint at phone number at least as I know I wont get email, so please me give any advice if this agency is still the same. I know the no email thing sucks just for the reason of their prices and I have been looking all over net for one of them and she used to be on Anastasiaweb but cancelled, at least on Anastasiaweb we used to get postal address, but I guess thru here in UA you wont get it, right??.
Your advice is most appreciated and thanks in advance.

PeopleSmoks
11-02-2007, 07:37 PM
DC, Thanks!

quote:They will ask you the name of the Hotel you are staying at!! Very Important that you have this!!
On this other site I wrote about, renting an apartment was highly recommended as a much less pricey way to go as opposed to hotels. Would proof of an apartment rental be okay?

quote:But.....be cool...don't try to kiss them, hold hands....etc...IN PUBLIC!! They are very shy about this!!

Both of my Olgas write about "walking together and holding hands" a lot! Possible scammer stuff??? They're both a bit younger than my target age group. Is it possible they're both just a little bolder???

scambuster, really my biggest problem with UA is simply having to pay through the nose for each and every letter. Even "unlimited" letters is over priced.

It's impossible to know who you're actually writing to. On a similar site, I paid for a letter to a girl and gave her my e-mail address. It's been a while and I forget her reply, but when I looked at my mail sent to review it, my e-mail address had been censored out.

Who really knows what goes on inside these agencies that rely so heavily on translation and pay per letter.


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David Chester
11-03-2007, 03:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by PeopleSmoks
Would proof of an apartment rental be okay?.....answer, I have not idea ps!!!....

quote:But.....be cool...don't try to kiss them, hold hands....etc...IN PUBLIC!! They are very shy about this!!

Both of my Olgas write about "walking together and holding hands" a lot! Possible scammer stuff??? They're both a bit younger than my target age group. Is it possible they're both just a little bolder???


PS on an earlier page of this thread...maybe page 26...I wrote about the fact....that I had sent over 80+ letters to Marina 4909...and Anna (forgot number) it's in the other post) I was writing these ladies for 9 months before hand.

My results with the ladies I wrote was total disaster!! I was so disappointed with both of them....I almost came home early!

Both of these ladies implied, or outright said they wanted to kiss me, hold hands etc....on my dates with them...they both acted like I was overfriendly for a first date!!!!! But all I did was touch them on the arm, back...and put my arm around!!

I think to write the ladies about a month before....is best...maybe even less!! If they balk at meeting you after 3 or 4 letters and three weeks of time....they are either not real(most likely) or just not worth the time.

I would not even try to hold hands!!! See how they react to that!! If they want you too, they will send you typical female body language.....

Hotels are not that expensive this time of year...did you talk to a travel agent about this??? I would think you could get a room for 30 to 45 USD a night...that is cheap by our standards!

here is a hint: if you use a UA Ladies translator...and she is good,(all of mine were great) TIP HER!! Between 10 to 20 bucks!! She can be a real asset to you, during the date and give you great advice!! Don't be cheap!!(of course...give what you can afford) This really worked out well for me!!

I had a great meal, Myself, the lady, and translator....I had 5 beers, try 'Ukrainian' One bottle of wine for the ladies, plus 4 glasses of wine before the bottle...three complete dinners......

TOTAL COST...44 BUCKS AMERICAN!!! I almost fell out!! That would cost what 200 in usa?? Name of the place?? Don't know...menu was 100 Russian....




I hope it works out for you!!!

Morgoth
11-04-2007, 02:22 AM
Hello everybody,

This is an information that almost every men here would like about ualadys or confidentialconnection

The owner of this scamming site is Steven Salvesen
The main office of ualadys and confidenntial connection is

217 centre street, 5th floor
New York city N.Y,
10013

Now you can put sote lawyers and inform autorities of your country with the prove that you have.

it's up to you to kill the beast....

For me, I can't do nothing from my country, our laws don't reach USA, maybe with the Interpol, I will check... Maybe somebody can kick the ass of them for me.... :D

Have fun now....

Morgoth



quote:Originally posted by Ding dong

I need rather urgently to know if anyone is writing to Ira B #5646 from Kremenchug, this woman is involved in a nasty situation and is under investigtion, any information will be kept confidential, but this may just be the nail in the coffin. Please assist me as Im a journalist and would love to rip that business apart and expose everyone.I have gathered a lot of evedence already, but require any information in the way of letters etc, as I need to varify some information.. TOGETHER WE CAN KILL THE BEAST..ALONE WE JUST TALK!

PeopleSmoks
11-04-2007, 03:20 PM
DC, thanks for the heads up! Unfortunately... or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, both Olgas seem to have finally shown their scams.[V]

One just had to go to visit her sick granny, I'm expecting a BIG doctor/hospital bill soon! And the other Olga just told me her rent was raised and needs help to pay for it. She has also told me that I could stay with her during my visit which is something I doubt a "real" girl would ever do considering I'm a total stranger.[:0]

Oh well!!!! But I'll keep in mind the hands-off policy for a future trip.[8D]

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jake122969
11-06-2007, 05:31 PM
I have given up on UA ladys for many of the same reasons mentioned in this forum ie: manufactured, matchmaking, form letters, no chance of exchanging private information, I cant imagine spending $5000 on a blind date. Here is the letter I wrote to the women i was communicating with. I'll post the boohoo letters as they come in:

Dear Jasja

I want to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in me. I am spending my last credits to write you and and leave this site. It has become apparent that UAladys business practices are unscrupulous and their business plan is to create correspondence and generate income. They have neither mine nor your best interest in mind. I have received far too many letters of introduction from teenagers (I am 50)still in school to count. None of these young girls has met my search criteria, and at least two contacts are known scam artists. It is clear to me that they are playing matchmaker and forging letters under the pseudonyms of their girls (you). I have no interest in receiving manufactured letters.

I am writing you to encourage you to leave this site immediately perhaps our lives will cross elsewhere. The worst part is that we can never exchange personal information (address, phone, email) and our intimate communications are read and censored by the translator. I am very sorry to have to write you this letter I think you are a charming young woman who deserves better.

Love Michael

Goddiejens
11-06-2007, 10:25 PM
Hi @all & David Chester,

I want to send a dvd to a girl of the ualadies agency in Kremenchug. So please, has anybody here the post address of this office there???

On the other hand, after some mailings I have collected different and contrastful impressions:

positive: some ladies answer mails in a way that I am sure they have received and read and processed what I mailed them.

negative: some other ladies answer mails in a way that I am sure they have not received and read and processed what I mailed them, so these ladies are scammers or used for scam by the office responsibles.

Last not least I would like to thank here the guys who travelled to Ukraine and report to the public here in this forum. This is very helpful!!!

Goddiejens

PeopleSmoks
11-06-2007, 11:46 PM
jake, just as long as you understand that IF Jasja is real, this is probably closer to what she read than the letter you wrote...

Dear Jasja

I won't be writing to you anymore because I have met a wonderful 19 yo girl and wish to continue to correspond with her instead of someone of your age. Better luck next time!

See ya around, Michael


Hey Goddiejens, some scam translators(scammers) read your letters, some don't. Some send you form letters for the first couple of letters and then start to actually read and respond if they think you're worth their time.

Oh, by the way, Olga1 (who answered my questions for the most part) just dropped the granny bomb!!!!!!! Granny needs a $900 operation... I don't know for sure, but... if you're counting on me sending $900 via WU anytime soon... I think granny's gonna [u]DIE</u> babe!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She lived a good life and I guess it's time for her to go the light!!!![}:)]

The Ukraine Orthodox Church is looking better and better......[8D]

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jake122969
11-07-2007, 04:01 AM
Before I post the boohoo letters I would like to say this. I am 50 years old standard profile three pics on it and nothing special bare minimum search criteria. I've received almost 25 letters from women, unsolicited, I never wrote first but was tempted. Age range 18-31 and average age 21 (heavily weighed toward the teenager side) Ive written almost 150 letters (you do the math), so its a tidy sum of cash until I found this forum ie UA/CC. Two of my respondents were outed by Eustace Haney as phonies Natalya G 1895, and Olga A 5760. Here is the first boohoo letter from Julia M

From:
To:
Date:

Subject:


Julia M. #5765
Michael S. #560453
06 November 2007

Hi my dear.


THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY NATALY FOR JULIA

Hi dear Michael!

Thank you for your letter.

I don't understand you, why you have such decision. I want only to know - you don't believe me? Why?

I am always try be able kind and honest.

But if you have your own decision - let it be.

by the way, I believe you and I wait on you.

I can only to wis you be happy! I will always remember you.

Hugs...

Julia


Hey Julia I think you have a long wait Adios Michael

jake122969
11-07-2007, 04:18 AM
BooHoo letter #2 from Victoria U 7554 Simferopol branch. Guys this woman is a class act as far as I can see... watch her video. she's comfortable, smiles openly and speaks English fairly well and has the Bo Derek look from the movie "10" She was one of my top three:

From:
To:
Date:

Subject:


Victoria U. #7554
Michael S. #560453
06 November 2007

From Vica.


TRANSLATED FOR VICTORIA

Hello, dear Michael.

I am very sorry to hear that you have got such an opinion and I am sorry that you feel in the way like that. I am very thankful to this site for giving me an opportunity to get acquainted with such a kind, clever and intelligent person like you are, I really enjoyed our communication and I am very sorry that I will not have an opportunity to write you any more and that I will not have a possibility to share my thoughts with you. You know this site helps me a lot to communicate with you as I do not know English so well to translate your letters and to translate my letters for you as well.

Michael, I understand that you are disparated and may be it is hard for you to believe in something, but I am real, and I have MY photos on this site.

My dear friend, I really hope that our ways will cross once and may be not once in life, but you can still change your mind and come back here...

I wish you all the luck in your life and I want to tell you once more that I am sorry about all that... But I want you to know, that you are welcome anytime and I am always opened to the communication with you, my darling...

Sincerely

Vica


Let me just add something to this post. The videos reveal a lot about personality the webcams in the offices are a joke! This girls video was encoded by confidential connections so a red flag right there

jake122969
11-07-2007, 04:32 AM
Well here is BooHoo letter #3 from Anita K 7716 Simferopol branch. 21 Years old and she just bombarded me with pictures to download and flowery letters about love and dreams. Long Blond hair pretty face great body who wouldn't respond to her charms.

From:
To:
Date:

Subject:


Anita K. #7716
Michael S. #560453
06 November 2007

sad


TRANSLATED FOR ANITA

Hello, Michael!

I must admit that it was a very sad letter from you and may be you have sence in leaving the site but if I would decide to do the same I would do it by some other reasons. I have heard a lot about spam sites where they have some unpleasant information about even this site but do you really believe in everything they tell and write? All peole who work here with this site or with some other company and organization first of all make money and I guess that is normal as everybody wants to live and to live good, but for this we need money. Yes, they take money on this site and they take it for service. May be they have some other motivations of doing all this work but you should first of all think why you do it! They help but nobody can make you spend your money if you do not want this and if it your priority that is fine and you are the owner of your life. My name is Anita and I am more than real but now I do not see any reason to assure you in anything as I see you have already come to some coclusions. We could meet but you do not believe it and that makes me sad. You know, there are no problems with this site and I know a woman who married a wonderful man with their help.

So I can only wish you a nice day and a nice life

Anita


Update: I should tell her that capitalism is an honorable way to make money and doesnt involve fraud

ham
11-07-2007, 07:05 AM
quote:I must admit that it was a very sad letter from you and may be you have sence in leaving the site but if I would decide to do the same I would do it by some other reasons. I have heard a lot about spam sites where they have some unpleasant information about even this site but do you really believe in everything they tell and write? All peole who work here with this site or with some other company and organization first of all make money and I guess that is normal as everybody wants to live and to live good, but for this we need money. Yes, they take money on this site and they take it for service. May be they have some other motivations of doing all this work but you should first of all think why you do it! They help but nobody can make you spend your money if you do not want this and if it your priority that is fine and you are the owner of your life. My name is Anita and I am more than real but now I do not see any reason to assure you in anything as I see you have already come to some coclusions. We could meet but you do not believe it and that makes me sad. You know, there are no problems with this site and I know a woman who married a wonderful man with their help.


the fact that she insists very much on the "site" & its credibility makes me suspicious.
Why would S-HE care?
I mean, long ago I joined match-com, yahoo-personals & many other sites: they were a tool to (try to) meet people, and I couldn't care less about the site or its reputation.
This sounds like another scammer in cahoots with the agency.
S-he depicts them like disinterested helpers, acting to benefit humankind, but forgets these sites are fatly funded by MEN'S MONEY...actually the ONLY reason they are still open.

Goddiejens
11-08-2007, 04:52 AM
Hello guys,

I will put in here step by step now my correspondance experiences with the ladies of that agency, but only the scam suspicious cases I found there. Here is the last example, her name is Marya B. #3208 Lugansk Branch. After some mails I found out that she does not really answer my questions. So I mailed her a bye-bye finally. I publish it now and also her answer. So read and have formed your opinion then yourself because this speaks for itself.

Goddiejens

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my mail to her dated Nov 5, 2007:

Hello dear Masha,


it is just 11 pm at night and I start to write this letter to you. It took some hours to read again and again all your letters and complete in my brain the profile I have catched from you based on all the information in your messages. My conclusion is that it is very very probably a pure illusion from my part to think that I could win your heart. So I am going to think that I stop efforts because I will not be successful at the end of long communications with you. That's the present status from my part. I am hones to tell you about it hereby.


It is your good right and your style to check me from all parts. But what kind of warranty are you looking for? May very good be and seems that I cannot be your Mr. Right. My impression.


But well, thanks for your letters. Here please check this website: www.fionaziola.com

Fiona Ziola is one of my ex colleagues. She betrayed many people in Belgium, me too. We filed cases at the police against her. She escaped to Gibraltar with her son who is a small gangster, too. Now we hunt them using the internet. And it works. These 2 fraud gangsters will never find a good job. I did the German and Spanish version of this website.

So you see how I deal with fraudsters and betrayers.


And well, I have never killed a person but I learnt also to use firearms in the military service. I have been attacked by a group of German fascists in West Germany one time so that a friend had to bring me in his car to the hospital to close a wound on the backside of my head ... believe me, I am able to hit and kill fascist violators wherever I have a chance to hit and kill them, I would and could really do that!


But I am absolutely unable to violate a woman or hit a woman or escalate up to violent actions in controverse discussions with colleagues / co-workers or civilized persons. If anybody hurts my feelings or provocates me ... I simply ask him or her why this happens and what the reason and target of this attitude is.


We have a manager from the USA. He says that Che Guevara was a murderer. I wear often a Che Guevara TShirt. And whenever he starts to provocate me a little, I remind him of Guantanamo Bay and that he should first go and stop Bush to build up such horrible concentration camps before I would only one word discuss with him about the great revolutionary Che Guevara. I do this with a smile in my face whenever this stupid yankee comes up with his bloody propaganda. I would never think of going out with him to replace words by hits. If anybody would hit this manager, for sure I would be the one who would immediately help this manager to come out without damages of such an incident. I do not like violence, I do not tolerate violent confrontations among colleagues or neighbours. But I hate very much all armies who shot against the own people, I hate deeply the US Army, the German Bundeswehr Army, and most I hate fascist people who glorify Hitler. I also hate my sister who has become fascist, there is end of discussion for me!


May be that you are more Christian. If they hit you on one part of your face, you show them the other part so that they hit the other part, too! (...)

I like boxfight as sport, but I do not box myself anymore. I did it at school. I won most fights, I never lost a fight. This was very important for me. So I acheived a lot of respect among my classmates. And now I switch the tv on and watch the German box night Saturday night ... all the other sport is not interesting for me. Well, the German soccer ladies are good, I like to see them, too, sometimes. Not the guys, they are arrogant millioneers, "v.i.p." and stupid in their comments, I do not like them.


OK, 6 hours to sleep now, so I go to bed. I do not believe in friends who say they'd give me hugs and kisses because friends do never do what lovers do. So I will better dream of my dead Meemee Siam cat today who welcomed me until last June in my apartment here everyday when I came home from work. She was a good *****!


I wish you very much that you are happy someday in your life, at least for a good long period. This agency, well, is not the stayfriends agency. I read "joining hearts" in the label. So enjoy yourself and have a good week.


Special kisses and hugs

(may be with a piece of glass between us so that we are not as closed as lovers),


warming your hands a little,


Yours,

....."


and here her reply I received November 6:




"This letter was translated by Y. Zoryka for Mariya B.


Hello, my dear ...!

I?m glad that I can send to you my warm wishes and smiles. You can congratulate me with the first frosty day that we have today. It is so sunny and luckily there is no wind otherwise I would have serious problems as my hat is may not dried yet. I made some laundry and decided for any case.

Also when I was returning back home I felt that I need something to improve my mood. It was gloomy and almost raining, and then I saw a flower-bed all full of chrysanthemums of different sizes and colors. I know that it was not good from my side to do this, but I could not keep myself and took couple of branches with me. And you know when I put them to the vase in my room I felt myself much better, like it was a little sunshine there, even though it was already dark outside. There is something touching in these flowers they are the last ones to blossom, till the first snow, they are tender and strong in the same time. Their scent is not refine like roses let?s say, but I like it a lot!!!!! Have you noticed that sometimes the most simple things are more precious that something more expensive. Let?s say my mom still keep those cards which I made by myself for her birthdays and other holidays when I was little. Right now to me they look funny and even a bit ugly, but when she is looking on those cards she has such an expression on her face like this is something made of gold and gems:)

Also yesterday in the evening I finally finished with warming up of windows maybe I really have a good intuition because I did this just in time;)). Yesterday when I returned back I hardly could stay in kitchen because it was the last window I have not accomplishes. I can not say that window warming up is something I like to do the most, but this is something you can not avoid any way. And what about you have you ever done anything like this? I remember that earlier we used cotton wool, and so it was good that my granny?s sister worked at the hospital and she could get as much as we need. Right now it became much easier because they sell special porolon stripes which you can put between window and window-frame.

So today after work, I have nothing else to do but watching some good movie, maybe I will feel enough energy to cook something, if not I will have my favorite borshch and maybe some fried potatoes, would you like to have such a dinner:)))??

I send to you my best wishes and I hope that today you will have a wonderful mood and will give me a big warm hug in your next letter to me:))

With lot?s of kisses,

Masha. "

+++ be aware of this fake girl, my opinion!!! +++

Goddiejens
11-08-2007, 04:30 PM
Lyudmila M #3879

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY OKSANA V. FOR LYUDMILA M.


Hello dear .........,


I know that I can`t touch your heart in another way but through the letter. That`s why it is how I express myself for now. Everyone on this site is looking for the same..companion, second half, soulmate..Real Love. I know that love can be different, it can hurt and it can bless, it can be quiet and it can be passionate...love is a smoke made with the fume of sighs; being purged, a fire sparkling in lover`s eyes; being vexed, a sea nourished with loving tears. What is it else? A madness most discreet, a choking gall, and preserving sweet...


I`m looking for such love, the love I can be drowned in...are you ready to fall in such a love with me? Let`s get drowned together! :)


Waiting for your letter,

Lyudmila

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She sent me the a.m. message today. Poltava branch.

Well, I checked the pictures of her. The first picture shows a nice attractive face. I watched also the other pics and found out that her ass is too fat for my taste ... so I will not reply.

Goddiejens

Goddiejens
11-08-2007, 04:51 PM
Hello huys,

here is another one and I publish the full history for you. I checked her 23 pictures and watched an attractive long leg lady in girlie-style! Poltava Branch. So I replied and had some correspondance with her:

From:
To:
Date:

Subject:
Alena G. #3977
.......to me ......
17 October 2007

you are the first

THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY ELENA K. FOR ALENA G.


Hello dear .......,


I dedicated this day to find a man from the gallery of men. I was looking through hundreds of pictures and profiles and at last I have found a man I want to write to. Guess who is it? Yeah, it is you. :))


It will be borning if I start to tell you about myself in the first letter. I don't know how to write a letter to win you heart but you should know that I am not a writer.

I am only a lady who wants to find a man and who is terribly nervous because writing a letter first. Sorry.


Answer me please. I will be waiting with a great heartbeating


Alena

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Date:

Subject:
Alena G. #3977
.... me ..........
31 October 2007

thanks


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THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY ELENA K. FOR ALENA G.


Hi Dear .............,


Thank you for answering my letter.

When I received a call today I was exited so much. I have never experienced this before. It is my first experience and I was afraid that you won't answer me. Thanks God, you wrote me. I have a hope now :)))


I don't know how to write letters and what to ask so I will start from hobbies and interests. :) I will tell you about myself. I love to be with people and love to help people. I am a volunteer for a social service for abused women and children and for medical organizations. I like the feeling of being necessary to a person. It is very important for me to love and to be loved.


I like to communicate with people. I like to be with my friends and I like to know new people.


Yeah, you may ask me why I am looking for a man who is elder. It is easy to explain. I want to be with a man who will appreciate everything I can give. Not only outer beauty or sexy body but my inner world. As usual younger boys don't understand why I spend my time with poor people or with kids while they enjoy life in night clubs. It seems to me that men from your country are more serious. I mean if you joined this agency you should be serious and you have serious intentions.


Tell me please, what are you looking for in this agency? What kind of lady do you look for?

Thank you for your letter once more

I am waiting for your letter impatiently


Take care

Alena

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From:
To: Alena G. #3977
Date:31 October 2007

Subject:
...me....
Alena G. #3977
31 October 2007

Re: thanks


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Dear Alena,


thanks a lot for your kind message.


You are very right that I am serious with serious intentions to find the lady of my heart. Concerning social engagement we have a lot of common activities. (.........)

(....) Second must be is that this wife should respect my social engagement and not dream of a husband who only takes care of family, wife, own children, own house property, garden, car, swimming pool ... such little-bourgeoisy world is not my world, sorry! (But I see that you would prefer to have such world. So there is a serious contrast between us.) And last not least, I feel only happy with a wife who can enjoy an intensive sexlife with me, capable to come up to highest feelings of love and emotion and always very much in need and request of my hugs and kisses. (You deal everyday with sexual abuses. This cannot be without effect on your capability to develope your own emotions. I think that you have no wetdreams, no erotic phantasies of what a man shall please do with you when being together you and your dream man. You know what "frigid" means: cold inside. And I also see that you have problems to open yourself and express yourself in a letter, so you are very much blocked. My opinion and my impression.)


I think that it is very difficult for me to make you really as happy as you need to be. I like you very much, - I like your style and I appreciate what you do as volunteer... . But I cannot imagine that you check some cases of sexual abuse in the day time and then in the evening you come home and we have a wonderful sexlife together then... .


I am really not a guy who gives up. But I avoid to go into a fight I cannot win. And I am very sure that I am not able to win your heart and build up what is paradise in life for you and also for me.


That's why I am honest enough to say bye to you in this message. I wish you to become a very happy person someday.


Take good care of yourself,


.....my name.............

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Date:

Subject:
Alena G. #3977
...... to me .......
01 November 2007

for .........me...................


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THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY ELENA K. FOR ALENA G.


Hi dear ................,


Thank you so much for your letter. I am glad that you have decided to write me and to continue our correspondence. You know, such kind of relationship is a bit odd for me but I feel more open writing a letter then if I were somewhere talking to you in person. I am shy and such kind of communication is more suitable for me. What about you?


Where do you usually get acquaintances? I mean where do you meet ladies?

Tell me more about your likes and dislikes, please. :)

Is age important for you?

It seems strange that I am interested in elder man but...there are some reasons: I want to feel protected spiritually and physically, I want to be understood, I want to share common values. It seems to me that elder men are more family oriented, they want comfortable life but they are mature, experienced and attractive. I think that age makes man more attractive. I like the way elder man make decisions. They are more confident. So,I think that you are such kind of man. I hope I am right. Tell me if I am right about it.


When a couple truly becomes one, they exist on another plane together. They become one mind, one heart, one body and one soul. They share on every level physical, mental, emotional and spiritual in their union. When they?re apart from each other the still feel the other inside their heart. They know the feelings, emotions, thoughts, wishes and desires of their beloved. I believe that it is possible to find a man who shares this. I want to find a man I will be spiritually and physically attracted to.

That's my point of view and these are my dreams

Do you share this? Be honest please

I am waiting impatiently for your letter

Best wishes and hugs

Alena

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Date:08 November 2007

Subject:
Alena G. #3977
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08 November 2007

for ....me.........


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THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED BY ELENA K. FOR ALENA G.


Good morning dear ..........,


Why are you silent?? Sorry for asking and taking your time but...I wanted to hear from you

Write me soon

Alena

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My remarks:

-1- She presents herself as sexy girlie in such an agency and works as social assistant / volunteer with sexually abused girls ... (???)

-2- Compare her answer dated Nov 1 with my mail dated Oct 31...(???)

For my opinion, she is spammer!!!

Goddiejens

Goddiejens
11-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Hello guys,

the next one, from the ****omir Branch, I received this mail and left her message unanswered:


Marina D. #4340
........ me ........
27 April 2007

I am very attracted to a beautiful soul!!!


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Hello!!!

My name is Marina.

I really want to communicate with you, and, maybe, start a relationship. I would be endlessly happy to start and finish my search with you and understand that You are the one I was looking for.

Our life is a huge field and our destiny is somewhere there and usually we don't know where it is. But nothing happens in life accidentally, so our acquaintance is not accidental too!!! Am I right or wrong?

Couple of words about myself: I am an active person, love to travel, read and dance. Dancing is my hidden passion!:)

Goal of my life is to develop and bloom, you can put it in many meanings, and all of them are right, and I may even say that I have everything to be happy, almost everything? I am searching for my kind, thoughtful, interesting gentleman? I love to give presents to people and my attention and care, and if you are my half, my soul mate, my partner, I will give all my Love to you, everything I have?

I also think that inner world is very important. I say that culture or behavior of a person is his "second face". I am very attracted to a "beautiful soul"!!!

If you like to communicate and also are looking for your second half, please answer.

I am very eager to hear from you very soon!

Marina.

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Goddiejens

Goddiejens
11-08-2007, 05:05 PM
HELLO GUYS:

HAS ANYONE HERE THE POST ADDRESS OF THE OFFICE UA LADIES IN KREMENCHUG???

It would be great to leave it to me.

Thanks in advance,

Goddiejens

Morgoth
11-11-2007, 02:17 AM
Hello Goddiejens,

I give you the address of what i know.
Kremenchug,Ukraine

39600

Alekseeva Alla (director)

Oktyabrskaya street 1,

Hotel "Kremen",

room 141.

When you enter into the hotel, there is fews stair at your right, take them and go the hallway until the end. Turn left and I think this is the second door.

Good luck,

Morgoth



quote:Originally posted by Goddiejens

HELLO GUYS:

HAS ANYONE HERE THE POST ADDRESS OF THE OFFICE UA LADIES IN KREMENCHUG???

It would be great to leave it to me.

Thanks in advance,

Goddiejens