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imported_admin
01-16-2007, 04:29 PM
1) She does not answer your questions.
2) She is overly romantic.
3) She contacts you with a form letter type of communication.

elenag
01-16-2007, 05:24 PM
What is "overly romantic"? Who is to determine that?

How do you know if the letters are form letters? Unless you have an eye for those things, you won't be able to tell.

ham
01-16-2007, 06:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by elenag

What is "overly romantic"? Who is to determine that?

How do you know if the letters are form letters? Unless you have an eye for those things, you won't be able to tell.




hmm
1. falls in love with you over five emails. Has never met you; knows nothing about you. Is or claims to be "out of your league".
2. sends pastel colored, fluffy letters full of suggestive earth&sea, wind&fire images. Canned, generic letters s-he could send to anyone.
3. s-he over-reacts to your wildest or weirdest expectations. With Barney s-he's all Hulk Hogan & HHH; with Leroy s-he's kinkiest than a porn star; with Tiberius the divorced pastor s-he's a religious bigot. Most scammers won't bother with 3, tough.

elenag
01-16-2007, 07:28 PM
what if she falls in lova after 50 letters?

you guys are writing for people who know nothing about scams, I suppose. so, spell things out for them. you are not helping them without msome detailed explanations - you are confusing them even more.

ham
01-18-2007, 07:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by elenag

what if she falls in lova after 50 letters?

you guys are writing for people who know nothing about scams, I suppose. so, spell things out for them. you are not helping them without msome detailed explanations - you are confusing them even more.


i thought i had posted here already.
the problem is: be realistic.Use COMMON SENSE.With yourself first.
Real people don't fall in love before knowing you as a real person.
Real people don't fall in love at light speed (especially through a computer screen ).
Real people don't fit you like a tight glove, no matter what; rather the opposite.
Novelty seekers, scammers and time wasters do, because it's a job or it's entertainment, like a carnival dance where everyone is disguised and the best at it gets a prize.
It all starts with common sense on my end of the computer screen.
If i am like Danny de Vito but never starred a hollywood mainstream blockbusting movie, and some penthouse pet look-alike dies to be with me, red flag.
If i have weird hobbies, weird sexual habits, live in the middle of nowhere, in a trailer perhaps...am disabled, very old, whatever AND they have no problem with anything, that is simply because they are not going to live with me happily ever after...they're going to have some fun, and/or cash my wires, then fade into oblivion while they're meeting their real life domestic boyfriend [in case scammers aren't men ]at 19h30 for supper.
Ask yourself how and when did you meet such a condescending, wonderful catch in your real life...never, right?
The "enigmatic russian soul" has nothing to do with it...you're just being played like a fiddle.

careerandjobcoach
02-02-2007, 02:16 PM
Hey guys!!...Read my posts in here captioned 'MY RUSSIAN SWEETIEPIE - UPDATE"....My Russian "sweetiepie" just dumped me!!....Sniff! Sniff!.....[B)]...lol

careerandjobcoach
02-18-2007, 05:02 PM
Well I think this scammer forum is great! My Russian sweetiepie dumped me but then again I must admit it was sort of a vicarious thrill over the last almost four months.

Any, I got to practice the art of composing loveletters which I never did in my life and it was rather fun I must admit.

Us guys in here all just better realize that the people doing this stuff when they ask for money without you ever having met them are just plain common criminals and thieves after all. That you must realize as soon as possible or you are going to get fleeced and skinned out of some very hard cash and wind up with no sweetiepie to boot and a very damaged ego and pride.

Invest in girls on your own turf. I do not have any problems with that but this certainly was an adventure to say the least.

Since she never requested money from me I am wondering if I should post her as a scammer. What do you guys think??

Her dumping email to me I just let go unanswered and this scammer forum alerted another guy who was corresponding with the same person.

So come on guys....Smarten up and get wise!!!


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quote:Originally posted by careerandjobcoach

Hey guys!!...Read my posts in here captioned 'MY RUSSIAN SWEETIEPIE - UPDATE"....My Russian "sweetiepie" just dumped me!!....Sniff! Sniff!.....[B)]...lol

myrddin45
02-18-2007, 05:39 PM
Forget about the overly romantic.
2 major give-aways are

1? the 'general interest' letters, that could be adressed to anyone. Check if your name, with more personal references appear INSIDE the letter and not only on top!!!
2? not answering ANY of your personal questions or remarks...

Then ask yourself... how can you "fall in love" with a guy you never met, you don't know... if you're honest, you're not even sure that the photo is 'real' or recent... (remember our vegetarian friend?)...

But as I told before, I have a Russian girlfriend now, a 'real' one, we met (...) and everything is fantabulous... So there certainly are great real women out there... Just be careful!

Prof.Dr. Berti Lemmes
Head Department of Philosophy
bertlemmes@cotmanuniversity.com
www.cotmanuniversity.com

imported_plitt45
04-17-2007, 08:26 AM
I am going to reply to this the best I can..even though this is my first post anywhere and I am not sure if I am doing this the right way...I had my first dealings with a scam artist in nov.05 and I have been online everyday since talking to scammers, some of them for over a year...I have had over 100 scammers talking to me...one example of a standard form letter is the russian woman that sends a general junk mail stating that she is looking to meet someone in the states....you reply...your reply could be short....it could be long....it could be very specific, I am talking about your first reply to them...about 2 to 4 weeks later I full page letter will show up saying that she got your reply and will state the fact that it was short or long but nothing about any question you may have asked...she only scantly brushes over any thing that may resemble an answer to what you said in the first paragraph then the entire rest of the letter is all about her...her plans...she talks AT you..but not TO you...here is an example for an on going scam..

Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
plans

She will ask you where you live...the name of your airport...but questions in your next reply to her will never be addressed.I dont care how detailed you are...you may say that my growth was stunted and I am only two feet tall, does it matter to you...she will never answer your question..instead the next letter will talk to you in the first paragraph but every thing is just in general and could apply to anyone anywhere and then she will just ramble on and on about how happy she is that you have taken a interest in her and all that jazz...I have all kinds of pictures and letters from scammers and as I get enough evidence I will report them this site, hoping that someone would be smarter than I was their first time around and check here first to see if that woman they fell in love with is known to be a fake.

Patrick Little

ham
04-17-2007, 03:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by myrddin45

Forget about the overly romantic.
2 major give-aways are

1? the 'general interest' letters, that could be adressed to anyone. Check if your name, with more personal references appear INSIDE the letter and not only on top!!!
2? not answering ANY of your personal questions or remarks...

Then ask yourself... how can you "fall in love" with a guy you never met, you don't know... if you're honest, you're not even sure that the photo is 'real' or recent... (remember our vegetarian friend?)...

But as I told before, I have a Russian girlfriend now, a 'real' one, we met (...) and everything is fantabulous... So there certainly are great real women out there... Just be careful!

Prof.Dr. Berti Lemmes
Head Department of Philosophy
bertlemmes@cotmanuniversity.com
www.cotmanuniversity.com




I'd like THREE bachelor degrees and a couple Ph.Ds but i have only $300 to spend. Can you possibly help?


quote:http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/past_papers/FHS/102_-_Knowledge_and_Reality_sample_-_2000.htmlVSwww.cotmanuniversity.com/depts/phil/phil.html

Bad cut & paste job for a starting up DEGREE MILL, herr Doktor.

Ihearmytrain
05-04-2007, 11:15 PM
"ham" is pretty much dead on guys. Only one little thing... I've heard, and living in NJ with a growing Russian population I've seen, that Russian men can be arrogant jackasses and many Russian women seek western men because we are generally better mates. That and the stories they hear that many of us make more in a week or two than most Russian men make in a month in their country. These women don't realize what the cost of living here is! So some really just want to get out of their country, some genuinely seek and really do develop fellings for us. Are they in love with you? Who knows for sure, but after 2 weeks? But the scammers will come at you from all angles. Ask yourself, are you in love with this girl after only 1 weeks or 2 weeks? Or is it lust for the bikini pic? Or lingere shot? Or even naked pic? That's what the scammer is counting on. The American libido! Ask yourself, how can she be in love with me after 4, 5, or 6 e-mails? Most Russian girls can't afford glamore photos, so think about it. Nude photos... run away!!! I don't care where she's from, nude pics are a red flag! This site has a pretty good guide for spotting a scammer. Check it out. And check this and other blacklist data bases. I'm sure all the scammers aren't listed, but it's a start.

Train

rusty
05-10-2007, 06:22 AM
i went through this topic carefully and i hate to say i been in touch with so many scammers it aint even funny any more in fact i found 2 on the site who just started writting me as early as last week in fact one fell in love with me after her first letter so i quit writting her there is no way one fallds in love that quick without seeing a photo of the other one

Ihearmytrain
05-11-2007, 10:56 PM
Hey Rusty, You're not the only one! I almost wonder if any of these girls are real on any of these sites. I've heard so many stories that some of the reasons so many "real" Russian and other FSU women honestly seek men outside of their country is that many of the men are arrogant, self important, overly agressive, demanding(as in women are to be their servants), drink to excess regularly, basically every undesirable thing you can think of. They have heard that western men aren't like this? At least that's one story I've heard. But, realistically, those don't seem to be the women we meet on all of these web sites. I have met quite a number of scammers who I have found blacklisted on sites like this one. I have met women I believe to be scammers, but have not found on any blacklists(yet). One girl in particular who I have corresponded with for almost 4 months scares me only because we have discussed her coming to the US, but she has NOT brought up sending her any money??? Is she real??? Just as Elena said that these women may correspond with several of us to see who is and who isn't sincere(or a sucker)I have done the same and this one girl stands out as maybe real? I paid for a background check on another girl and will definitly do the same with this girl before things go much further. I can only say that there are some suspicious behaviors that begin to make a pattern that leads to the scammer. Is it 100%? What is? To every rule, there's an exception. No one falls in love after 4 e-mails? They're all scammers? Is this girl the excepition? Who know for sure? Now the really scarey part... Ask yourself, "If can't find her on any of the blacklists and paid for a background check that came up clean... Is she real? Or did she slip through the cracks?" Lifes a crap shoot! All we can do is try..........

Train

elenag
05-12-2007, 04:13 AM
Since there are several types of scammers, measuring them all by the same ruler to see which one "fits" or "does not fit" is not a bright thing to do. As your experience with online dating growth, and as your relations progresses, there should be several "stages" of your self-education about the dangers of the process, and the warning signs for each. If you are stuck at the level of checking for the simplest form of the scam, you may end up falling for a bigger one.

ham
05-14-2007, 05:42 PM
quote:I've heard so many stories that some of the reasons so many "real" Russian and other FSU women honestly seek men outside of their country is that many of the men are arrogant, self important, overly agressive, demanding(as in women are to be their servants), drink to excess regularly, basically every undesirable thing you can think of.

nonsense.
a country profiled in such a way wouldn't have been able to last this long.
It's all rubbish women feed gullible, deluded westerners to get to their wallet faster, supported by agencies&middlemen making a buck out of the "concept".
Even if we conceded that russians are this bad, how comes FSUWs will mostly strive to build a network of russian friends? How comes many will readily get a russian lover on the side?
I lived abroad for years and [u]THE LAST THING </u> i wanted, longed for or fancied was gathering with others from my country.
There are well-off and decent russian men, but many women can't manage to trap one, so they disparage the whole country.
Aren't they russians?
But the "evil domestic men" is part of the "Cinderella" stereotype, so that westerners can play the chivalron and "rescue her".
Hello?! The middleman pitching you this sale is probably making upto 50% of what you pay!
Next step?
http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=755

ham
05-14-2007, 05:42 PM
quote:I've heard so many stories that some of the reasons so many "real" Russian and other FSU women honestly seek men outside of their country is that many of the men are arrogant, self important, overly agressive, demanding(as in women are to be their servants), drink to excess regularly, basically every undesirable thing you can think of.

nonsense.
a country profiled in such a way wouldn't have been able to last this long.
It's all rubbish women feed gullible, deluded westerners to get to their wallet faster, supported by agencies&middlemen making a buck out of the "concept".
Even if we conceded that russians are this bad, how comes FSUWs will mostly strive to build a network of russian friends? How comes many will readily get a russian lover on the side?
I lived abroad for years and [u]THE LAST THING </u> i wanted, longed for or fancied was gathering with others from my country.
There are well-off and decent russian men, but many women can't manage to trap one, so they disparage the whole country.
Aren't they russians?
But the "evil domestic men" is part of the "Cinderella" stereotype, so that westerners can play the chivalron and "rescue her".
Hello?! The middleman pitching you this sale is probably making upto 50% of what you pay!
Next step?
http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=755

rusty
05-14-2007, 06:13 PM
a lot have asked for money for plane tickets visias letters from agency's saying i cant correspond until i pay for it but the best one is one wants me to open a bank account to send her money to needless to say i haven't gave them a dime nor did i open that account but now they are getting smarter by getting either yahoo or msn messenger and asking that way when they do i just tell no sorry got no oney for you

rusty
05-14-2007, 06:13 PM
a lot have asked for money for plane tickets visias letters from agency's saying i cant correspond until i pay for it but the best one is one wants me to open a bank account to send her money to needless to say i haven't gave them a dime nor did i open that account but now they are getting smarter by getting either yahoo or msn messenger and asking that way when they do i just tell no sorry got no oney for you

Ihearmytrain
05-14-2007, 07:40 PM
Hey ham! As I said, STORIES I have heard, and the word REAL was in quotes. Who knows if a girl is real? Basically, I don't know who or what to believe when it comes to FSU women. Personally, I've only been engaging in corresponding with FSU women for less than 6 mos. Unfortunatly, I am yet to find one who hasn't fallen in love with me in less than 6 e-mails or asked for money in less than 10 e-mails. The FSU is huge! I know there must be some "REAL" women there, but all I get are the "STORIES". I haven't given up yet, but it is frustrating.

Train

Ihearmytrain
05-14-2007, 07:40 PM
Hey ham! As I said, STORIES I have heard, and the word REAL was in quotes. Who knows if a girl is real? Basically, I don't know who or what to believe when it comes to FSU women. Personally, I've only been engaging in corresponding with FSU women for less than 6 mos. Unfortunatly, I am yet to find one who hasn't fallen in love with me in less than 6 e-mails or asked for money in less than 10 e-mails. The FSU is huge! I know there must be some "REAL" women there, but all I get are the "STORIES". I haven't given up yet, but it is frustrating.

Train

elenag
05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain

Hey ham! As I said, STORIES I have heard, and the word REAL was in quotes. Who knows if a girl is real? Basically, I don't know who or what to believe when it comes to FSU women. Personally, I've only been engaging in corresponding with FSU women for less than 6 mos. Unfortunatly, I am yet to find one who hasn't fallen in love with me in less than 6 e-mails or asked for money in less than 10 e-mails.

I may have to dissapoint you even further by saying that out of those "women" you corresponded with, most were likely to be men... So, use quotes around "women," as well as "real."

elenag
05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain

Hey ham! As I said, STORIES I have heard, and the word REAL was in quotes. Who knows if a girl is real? Basically, I don't know who or what to believe when it comes to FSU women. Personally, I've only been engaging in corresponding with FSU women for less than 6 mos. Unfortunatly, I am yet to find one who hasn't fallen in love with me in less than 6 e-mails or asked for money in less than 10 e-mails.

I may have to dissapoint you even further by saying that out of those "women" you corresponded with, most were likely to be men... So, use quotes around "women," as well as "real."

ham
05-15-2007, 01:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain

Hey ham! As I said, STORIES I have heard, and the word REAL was in quotes. Who knows if a girl is real? Basically, I don't know who or what to believe when it comes to FSU women. Personally, I've only been engaging in corresponding with FSU women for less than 6 mos. Unfortunatly, I am yet to find one who hasn't fallen in love with me in less than 6 e-mails or asked for money in less than 10 e-mails. The FSU is huge! I know there must be some "REAL" women there, but all I get are the "STORIES". I haven't given up yet, but it is frustrating.

Train


as long as you know the game, you won't fall victim of it.

ham
05-15-2007, 01:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain

Hey ham! As I said, STORIES I have heard, and the word REAL was in quotes. Who knows if a girl is real? Basically, I don't know who or what to believe when it comes to FSU women. Personally, I've only been engaging in corresponding with FSU women for less than 6 mos. Unfortunatly, I am yet to find one who hasn't fallen in love with me in less than 6 e-mails or asked for money in less than 10 e-mails. The FSU is huge! I know there must be some "REAL" women there, but all I get are the "STORIES". I haven't given up yet, but it is frustrating.

Train


as long as you know the game, you won't fall victim of it.

Ihearmytrain
05-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Hey elenag and ham! Thanks again for your input. It was after almost getting burned that I found my way to this site. Had I found this site before, it wouldn't even have been close. I've found your comments in this and other forums to be informative without being derrogatory.

elenag, yes, I've heard that many of these "women" are men. In fact I had previously passed that tidbit on in another forum.

ham, unfortunatly, it is a game!

Thanks to you two and a few others on this site, I know scam 101. I plan to continue my education on this site

Train

Ihearmytrain
05-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Hey elenag and ham! Thanks again for your input. It was after almost getting burned that I found my way to this site. Had I found this site before, it wouldn't even have been close. I've found your comments in this and other forums to be informative without being derrogatory.

elenag, yes, I've heard that many of these "women" are men. In fact I had previously passed that tidbit on in another forum.

ham, unfortunatly, it is a game!

Thanks to you two and a few others on this site, I know scam 101. I plan to continue my education on this site

Train

beenhad
06-21-2007, 07:49 PM
"Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
plans"


got same email recently
darn, I gave my city(airport)
address and phone number.
Said she was from small town
was in St.Petersburg on her way
to work in my country.
Would I let her stay at my place.
Said she was fitness instructor,
sends me pictures, calls herself
"Yuliya"

beenhad
06-21-2007, 07:49 PM
"Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
plans"


got same email recently
darn, I gave my city(airport)
address and phone number.
Said she was from small town
was in St.Petersburg on her way
to work in my country.
Would I let her stay at my place.
Said she was fitness instructor,
sends me pictures, calls herself
"Yuliya"

beenhad
06-21-2007, 07:57 PM
Have another calling herself "Tessy Linda"
from states(Tennessee), originally from Australia,
now in Africa buying fabrics for new business?
She sent me the same email twice.
I had communicated with her in between.
email starts:

You seem like a very nice person that I'd like to get to know.My life is very stable after my last relationship I learned somenew things. Am I ready for a new relationship yes but the relationship has to be mutual, trusted between both partener help each other when they need help, such as if you have a rough day and need help im here to help you. To support you, thats what you call trust and friendship, my father told me many years ago, to treat a lady with respect and act like agentlemen.am ready to love, I believe with chemistry between two people love will only blne ossom. You seem to have many qualities that I am looking for in a man.

Received duplicate email after asking for photos of where she was.
HUMMMMMMMM.

beenhad
06-21-2007, 07:57 PM
Have another calling herself "Tessy Linda"
from states(Tennessee), originally from Australia,
now in Africa buying fabrics for new business?
She sent me the same email twice.
I had communicated with her in between.
email starts:

You seem like a very nice person that I'd like to get to know.My life is very stable after my last relationship I learned somenew things. Am I ready for a new relationship yes but the relationship has to be mutual, trusted between both partener help each other when they need help, such as if you have a rough day and need help im here to help you. To support you, thats what you call trust and friendship, my father told me many years ago, to treat a lady with respect and act like agentlemen.am ready to love, I believe with chemistry between two people love will only blne ossom. You seem to have many qualities that I am looking for in a man.

Received duplicate email after asking for photos of where she was.
HUMMMMMMMM.

beenhad
06-21-2007, 08:05 PM
Update re Russian "Yuliya"

gives address as:
I live in Russia,town Askiz, Suvorova street 5-2, post code (zip) 655735,it is near big city Abakan.
My town is rather far from St Petersburg.

beenhad
06-21-2007, 08:05 PM
Update re Russian "Yuliya"

gives address as:
I live in Russia,town Askiz, Suvorova street 5-2, post code (zip) 655735,it is near big city Abakan.
My town is rather far from St Petersburg.

unidentified
06-22-2007, 02:27 AM
I actually do have something to say about this. Heres my two cents worth. I knew someone in the past who had had a bad luck streak when it came to women, he was so lonely and desperate that when someone did take interest in his profile he was automatically saying he knew she was the one and he had not even met her. He was so deluded with his lonliness that he would fall in love the thought of falling in love with this women, but knowing in all reality that nothing would come of it. He had been judged harshly because of his setbacks ( wheelchair ridden and face disfigured from a car accident. No woman would ever give him the time of day. I think with these circumstances it is possible to fall in love thru a computer from just wanting to be accepted and loved so bad and knowing no one would give him the oftime of day otherwise. He had a profile that was nice to look at, it painted the image of a good honest man except there was no picture for anyone to see. He thought if he talked to this girl long enough that she too would reciprocate those feelings and overlook his obvious condition. I would not have believed this until i witnessed it for myself. Nowadays it seems like all women want is a good looking man and money, they have lost sight of what is really important and what really matters. Some men just honestly dont have a chance. They think they do until they get scammed. So you see you can fall in love with the image of being in love and being loved back without having met this person.

unidentified
06-22-2007, 02:27 AM
I actually do have something to say about this. Heres my two cents worth. I knew someone in the past who had had a bad luck streak when it came to women, he was so lonely and desperate that when someone did take interest in his profile he was automatically saying he knew she was the one and he had not even met her. He was so deluded with his lonliness that he would fall in love the thought of falling in love with this women, but knowing in all reality that nothing would come of it. He had been judged harshly because of his setbacks ( wheelchair ridden and face disfigured from a car accident. No woman would ever give him the time of day. I think with these circumstances it is possible to fall in love thru a computer from just wanting to be accepted and loved so bad and knowing no one would give him the oftime of day otherwise. He had a profile that was nice to look at, it painted the image of a good honest man except there was no picture for anyone to see. He thought if he talked to this girl long enough that she too would reciprocate those feelings and overlook his obvious condition. I would not have believed this until i witnessed it for myself. Nowadays it seems like all women want is a good looking man and money, they have lost sight of what is really important and what really matters. Some men just honestly dont have a chance. They think they do until they get scammed. So you see you can fall in love with the image of being in love and being loved back without having met this person.

ham
06-22-2007, 08:03 AM
Eh?
1. Fitness instructor (as if to help yourself picture how hot s-he is ) ready to pizza-deliver herself at the door of a perfect stranger met only days earlier over the internet?!
You [u]have to</u> be kidding...please spare yourself the grief.

2.
quote: Have another calling herself "Tessy Linda"
from states(Tennessee), originally from Australia,
now in Africa buying fabrics for new business?

whenever you read the word "Africa", hit on the delete button! Spare yourself the grief...plenty of negro orphans of oil kingpins and deposed dictators, perhaps posing as Britney Spears...it's all a sham.


quote:I knew someone in the past who had had a bad luck streak when it came to women, he was so lonely and desperate that when someone did take interest in his profile he was automatically saying he knew she was the one and he had not even met her. He was so deluded with his lonliness that he would fall in love the thought of falling in love with this women, but knowing in all reality that nothing would come of it. He had been judged harshly because of his setbacks ( wheelchair ridden and face disfigured from a car accident. No woman would ever give him the time of day. I think with these circumstances it is possible to fall in love thru a computer from just wanting to be accepted and loved so bad and knowing no one would give him the oftime of day otherwise. He had a profile that was nice to look at, it painted the image of a good honest man except there was no picture for anyone to see. He thought if he talked to this girl long enough that she too would reciprocate those feelings and overlook his obvious condition.

well, i can say i have no look with women, either.
But no wonder here; one has either to be a gay cover model, very wealthy or the one-in-a-million-trailer-joker-with-the-right-pickup line...and i'm none of those.
There is nothing wrong with my body or my face; although my looks are poor, i am just the average man in the crowd.
News featured another disabled man from UK who forfeited his welfare annuity to wire money to some (supposed) FSU beauty queen to finally elope in a "forever" love dream.
I think EVERYONE IN THE WWW/LD DATING PROCESS ( ESPECIALLY THE MOB PROCESS ) has (at one time or another ) thought that we would finally "deliver the virgin" and meet the princess who would kiss the prince out of us frogs...
If we ( myself included ) hadn't thought that way (at least at one point or another), we simply wouldn't bother with the WWW/LD scene, so fraught with obstacles.
big mistake and totally skewed logic.

ham
06-22-2007, 08:03 AM
Eh?
1. Fitness instructor (as if to help yourself picture how hot s-he is ) ready to pizza-deliver herself at the door of a perfect stranger met only days earlier over the internet?!
You [u]have to</u> be kidding...please spare yourself the grief.

2.
quote: Have another calling herself "Tessy Linda"
from states(Tennessee), originally from Australia,
now in Africa buying fabrics for new business?

whenever you read the word "Africa", hit on the delete button! Spare yourself the grief...plenty of negro orphans of oil kingpins and deposed dictators, perhaps posing as Britney Spears...it's all a sham.


quote:I knew someone in the past who had had a bad luck streak when it came to women, he was so lonely and desperate that when someone did take interest in his profile he was automatically saying he knew she was the one and he had not even met her. He was so deluded with his lonliness that he would fall in love the thought of falling in love with this women, but knowing in all reality that nothing would come of it. He had been judged harshly because of his setbacks ( wheelchair ridden and face disfigured from a car accident. No woman would ever give him the time of day. I think with these circumstances it is possible to fall in love thru a computer from just wanting to be accepted and loved so bad and knowing no one would give him the oftime of day otherwise. He had a profile that was nice to look at, it painted the image of a good honest man except there was no picture for anyone to see. He thought if he talked to this girl long enough that she too would reciprocate those feelings and overlook his obvious condition.

well, i can say i have no look with women, either.
But no wonder here; one has either to be a gay cover model, very wealthy or the one-in-a-million-trailer-joker-with-the-right-pickup line...and i'm none of those.
There is nothing wrong with my body or my face; although my looks are poor, i am just the average man in the crowd.
News featured another disabled man from UK who forfeited his welfare annuity to wire money to some (supposed) FSU beauty queen to finally elope in a "forever" love dream.
I think EVERYONE IN THE WWW/LD DATING PROCESS ( ESPECIALLY THE MOB PROCESS ) has (at one time or another ) thought that we would finally "deliver the virgin" and meet the princess who would kiss the prince out of us frogs...
If we ( myself included ) hadn't thought that way (at least at one point or another), we simply wouldn't bother with the WWW/LD scene, so fraught with obstacles.
big mistake and totally skewed logic.

beenhad
06-22-2007, 02:11 PM
latest email from Russia:
it is me again and I want you to know that you can't imagine how happy I am.

I have a schedule of my flight.you can't imagine how much crazy St Petersburg is. It is great fear to live here I think so!Our small town is

more friendly . well,about our business, I tasted my blood,such rule for foreign visitors wanting to visit your

country! Thanks God, I am in good health, all of my tests are all right,I only need some vitamins I think it

is the bad foods and long winters problem.I have to eat much more fruits and vegetables.The doctor said!

well,here is all info ,I do hope we will together in a few days! Info from agency!


INFORMATION MY FLIGHT FOR YOU !



Rossiya-Russian Airlines

FV 235

Pulkovo (LED), St Petersburg, Russia

Terminal 2 09:50

Charles De Gaulle (CDG), Paris, France

Terminal 1 11:15

Non-stop / 735 12h50min

Air France

AF 344

Charles De Gaulle (CDG), Paris, France

Terminal 2F 13:15

Trudeau (YUL), Montreal, Quebec, Canada 15:40

Non-stop / 744


Price: USD 1090.00+


Honey, I am so glad to see that I am almost near my goal,and our meeting wait for us.

I think I will call you from airport and I will wait for you there so long as you need,I mean if you need any time to arrive in airport.

it is not problem to wait there because I know that it is the end of my trip and I have time to improve my condition(some parfume)after

long jorney.I want you to see me in good shape! I think everything will be all right.Rather I am sure everything will be all right!.

My Dear, they have told in travel office that I have to show tickets when I will visit embassy after tomorrow before my flight.

People from embassy must be sure that I am not going to stay illegally in your country and I have tickets with returning data.it is

very strong rule. I have some money but my flight from Abakan to St Petersburg costed so much(about 500$)

because so many kilometrs from there to St Petersburg. I didn't guess that tickets costs so much. and I have to book tickets till in less than 2 days ,

because of my interview. I have not written date of flight because I do not have all money to the ticket.

as soon as I will have all money and I will buy the ticket I shall write to you date of flight.

I will buy the ticket on this flight. May be you could borrow some money?

I am sure I will be able to return it back in a few weeks after my arriving I will earn some money and at

first to return all money to you.

I also have not written this date of the flight because I yet have not bought the ticket,

but if you will borrow to me money I will fly on this flight, in most nearest day,

this flight flies almost each day.

in Agency they have told me that you may send it by Western Union (or MoneyGram). It is pretty easy to use.

The guy from the agency explained to me how their system works. It is instant worldwide money transfer system.

All you need is my name and my surname to send me the money. Once you do this ,

I'll be able to pickup the money in any local Western Unuion (or MoneyGram) office in St Petersburg. We need to do it pretty fast, because we have no time till my intervew,

if everything will be all right I will be on this flight!

I have about 500 US dollars yet and I think I need about 600 US dollars from your side with all travel needs and living

here till my flight!If everything will be all right between us I can stay with you longer than three months,maximum I can stay about 6 months for

first time! We should change only the date of my returning flight. Or I can return earlier if something is wrong!

Here is more info about Western Union (or MoneyGram). You find any local Western Union (or MoneyGram) agent, go there and send money to my name.

Western Union (or MoneyGram) will ask you for my full name and address in St Petersburg where I am staying at. Once you give them all the info they will initiate the transfer.

In just less than 10 minutes I will be able to pick the money up at any Western Union (or MoneyGram) agent here in St Petersburg.


You will send me transfer info and MTCN( money transfer control number )

I will get cash. So I will need your full name and your address + the control number of the transfer. (MTCN)

Kiss you many times ,I am tired today,you know it is hard enough to be in foreign city. So many different emotions .

Kiss you many times! Yuliya! see you soon!


Ah, silly me. Nearly forgot to give you my full name info and my address.


My address here (the flat i am renting)

Country : Russia, City : St Petersburg,

Address : Novatorov Parkway 20 - 35, post code (zip) 198216

Full Name Yuliya SHAMBAROVA(right writting in English)


I am sorry to send so dry letter but it seems to me I am like any drunker I have lost my mind and my head works so badly,see you tomorrow. I am

sorry to make so many problems for you I only hope that you will be not disappoined to meet me.


I think I'll do the old phony reference number deal
make them look like fool!

beenhad
06-22-2007, 02:11 PM
latest email from Russia:
it is me again and I want you to know that you can't imagine how happy I am.

I have a schedule of my flight.you can't imagine how much crazy St Petersburg is. It is great fear to live here I think so!Our small town is

more friendly . well,about our business, I tasted my blood,such rule for foreign visitors wanting to visit your

country! Thanks God, I am in good health, all of my tests are all right,I only need some vitamins I think it

is the bad foods and long winters problem.I have to eat much more fruits and vegetables.The doctor said!

well,here is all info ,I do hope we will together in a few days! Info from agency!


INFORMATION MY FLIGHT FOR YOU !



Rossiya-Russian Airlines

FV 235

Pulkovo (LED), St Petersburg, Russia

Terminal 2 09:50

Charles De Gaulle (CDG), Paris, France

Terminal 1 11:15

Non-stop / 735 12h50min

Air France

AF 344

Charles De Gaulle (CDG), Paris, France

Terminal 2F 13:15

Trudeau (YUL), Montreal, Quebec, Canada 15:40

Non-stop / 744


Price: USD 1090.00+


Honey, I am so glad to see that I am almost near my goal,and our meeting wait for us.

I think I will call you from airport and I will wait for you there so long as you need,I mean if you need any time to arrive in airport.

it is not problem to wait there because I know that it is the end of my trip and I have time to improve my condition(some parfume)after

long jorney.I want you to see me in good shape! I think everything will be all right.Rather I am sure everything will be all right!.

My Dear, they have told in travel office that I have to show tickets when I will visit embassy after tomorrow before my flight.

People from embassy must be sure that I am not going to stay illegally in your country and I have tickets with returning data.it is

very strong rule. I have some money but my flight from Abakan to St Petersburg costed so much(about 500$)

because so many kilometrs from there to St Petersburg. I didn't guess that tickets costs so much. and I have to book tickets till in less than 2 days ,

because of my interview. I have not written date of flight because I do not have all money to the ticket.

as soon as I will have all money and I will buy the ticket I shall write to you date of flight.

I will buy the ticket on this flight. May be you could borrow some money?

I am sure I will be able to return it back in a few weeks after my arriving I will earn some money and at

first to return all money to you.

I also have not written this date of the flight because I yet have not bought the ticket,

but if you will borrow to me money I will fly on this flight, in most nearest day,

this flight flies almost each day.

in Agency they have told me that you may send it by Western Union (or MoneyGram). It is pretty easy to use.

The guy from the agency explained to me how their system works. It is instant worldwide money transfer system.

All you need is my name and my surname to send me the money. Once you do this ,

I'll be able to pickup the money in any local Western Unuion (or MoneyGram) office in St Petersburg. We need to do it pretty fast, because we have no time till my intervew,

if everything will be all right I will be on this flight!

I have about 500 US dollars yet and I think I need about 600 US dollars from your side with all travel needs and living

here till my flight!If everything will be all right between us I can stay with you longer than three months,maximum I can stay about 6 months for

first time! We should change only the date of my returning flight. Or I can return earlier if something is wrong!

Here is more info about Western Union (or MoneyGram). You find any local Western Union (or MoneyGram) agent, go there and send money to my name.

Western Union (or MoneyGram) will ask you for my full name and address in St Petersburg where I am staying at. Once you give them all the info they will initiate the transfer.

In just less than 10 minutes I will be able to pick the money up at any Western Union (or MoneyGram) agent here in St Petersburg.


You will send me transfer info and MTCN( money transfer control number )

I will get cash. So I will need your full name and your address + the control number of the transfer. (MTCN)

Kiss you many times ,I am tired today,you know it is hard enough to be in foreign city. So many different emotions .

Kiss you many times! Yuliya! see you soon!


Ah, silly me. Nearly forgot to give you my full name info and my address.


My address here (the flat i am renting)

Country : Russia, City : St Petersburg,

Address : Novatorov Parkway 20 - 35, post code (zip) 198216

Full Name Yuliya SHAMBAROVA(right writting in English)


I am sorry to send so dry letter but it seems to me I am like any drunker I have lost my mind and my head works so badly,see you tomorrow. I am

sorry to make so many problems for you I only hope that you will be not disappoined to meet me.


I think I'll do the old phony reference number deal
make them look like fool!

beenhad
06-22-2007, 02:16 PM
wrote back to this tessy linda with 2nd email
I found on site, but hadn't received yet.
sent picture with stop-scammer logo on it to her.
she replied with email:

Learn to accept what comes your way,You must try hard to be positive each day,
Keep your mind and spirit in a calm mode,Don't let your emotions go in overload,
Learning to accept things which are good or bad too,Is a difficult task which you must learn to do,But in the long run, having Faith, Hope. and Trust,And Love for God, they are a must,Life is easier if you can learn to accept everything,Remember God's always with you, The Almighty King,He is your creator, He watches over you,
You'll meet Him one day, that is true***Is this your friend?Friends care Friends are always there Friends dont care what you wear Friends help you through tough times Tell you when your a total pain in the rear Friends are people you can trust
Friends are people you tell your deepest secrets to Friends are honest Friends are faithful Friends love you Friends dont lie!!!!And you should love your friends***Tessy


Interesting no?

beenhad
06-22-2007, 02:16 PM
wrote back to this tessy linda with 2nd email
I found on site, but hadn't received yet.
sent picture with stop-scammer logo on it to her.
she replied with email:

Learn to accept what comes your way,You must try hard to be positive each day,
Keep your mind and spirit in a calm mode,Don't let your emotions go in overload,
Learning to accept things which are good or bad too,Is a difficult task which you must learn to do,But in the long run, having Faith, Hope. and Trust,And Love for God, they are a must,Life is easier if you can learn to accept everything,Remember God's always with you, The Almighty King,He is your creator, He watches over you,
You'll meet Him one day, that is true***Is this your friend?Friends care Friends are always there Friends dont care what you wear Friends help you through tough times Tell you when your a total pain in the rear Friends are people you can trust
Friends are people you tell your deepest secrets to Friends are honest Friends are faithful Friends love you Friends dont lie!!!!And you should love your friends***Tessy


Interesting no?

howard darby
06-24-2007, 02:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by plitt45

I am going to reply to this the best I can..even though this is my first post anywhere and I am not sure if I am doing this the right way...I had my first dealings with a scam artist in nov.05 and I have been online everyday since talking to scammers, some of them for over a year...I have had over 100 scammers talking to me...one example of a standard form letter is the russian woman that sends a general junk mail stating that she is looking to meet someone in the states....you reply...your reply could be short....it could be long....it could be very specific, I am talking about your first reply to them...about 2 to 4 weeks later I full page letter will show up saying that she got your reply and will state the fact that it was short or long but nothing about any question you may have asked...she only scantly brushes over any thing that may resemble an answer to what you said in the first paragraph then the entire rest of the letter is all about her...her plans...she talks AT you..but not TO you...here is an example for an on going scam..

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A SCAM I HAVE BEEN WRITING FOR A MONTH NOW I EXPECT THE NEXT LETTER TO ASK FOR MONEY FOR THE PLANE FAIR
Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
plans

She will ask you where you live...the name of your airport...but questions in your next reply to her will never be addressed.I dont care how detailed you are...you may say that my growth was stunted and I am only two feet tall, does it matter to you...she will never answer your question..instead the next letter will talk to you in the first paragraph but every thing is just in general and could apply to anyone anywhere and then she will just ramble on and on about how happy she is that you have taken a interest in her and all that jazz...I have all kinds of pictures and letters from scammers and as I get enough evidence I will report them this site, hoping that someone would be smarter than I was their first time around and check here first to see if that woman they fell in love with is known to be a fake.

Patrick Little

Hi Hunnie

Thanks for the mail,I'm doing good Hunnie..Very happy to have you in my life and i just like to express my feelings to you because you are the man of my heart..Well i don't have anyone to come pick me up at the Airport and i will love you to and do that because i love you so much...you have kids does not have anything to do with our relationship we can live together as one i can take care of them I will love to meet you in person Let me have this Info of you so that i can be with you when i get back to the state...

Full Name:
Full Address:
City:
State:
ZipCode:
Phone Number:
Closest Airport to you:

Thank you for loving me no way any one has ever tried. Thank you for knowing all the little things that mean so much to me. Thank you for understanding that you and I need to take time together for fun, making love, talking and just spending time together. For everything you are, and mean to me and everything I am becoming because you are in my life... I promise you will not be hurt just have faith and believe in God..

howard darby
06-24-2007, 02:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by plitt45

I am going to reply to this the best I can..even though this is my first post anywhere and I am not sure if I am doing this the right way...I had my first dealings with a scam artist in nov.05 and I have been online everyday since talking to scammers, some of them for over a year...I have had over 100 scammers talking to me...one example of a standard form letter is the russian woman that sends a general junk mail stating that she is looking to meet someone in the states....you reply...your reply could be short....it could be long....it could be very specific, I am talking about your first reply to them...about 2 to 4 weeks later I full page letter will show up saying that she got your reply and will state the fact that it was short or long but nothing about any question you may have asked...she only scantly brushes over any thing that may resemble an answer to what you said in the first paragraph then the entire rest of the letter is all about her...her plans...she talks AT you..but not TO you...here is an example for an on going scam..

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A SCAM I HAVE BEEN WRITING FOR A MONTH NOW I EXPECT THE NEXT LETTER TO ASK FOR MONEY FOR THE PLANE FAIR
Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
plans

She will ask you where you live...the name of your airport...but questions in your next reply to her will never be addressed.I dont care how detailed you are...you may say that my growth was stunted and I am only two feet tall, does it matter to you...she will never answer your question..instead the next letter will talk to you in the first paragraph but every thing is just in general and could apply to anyone anywhere and then she will just ramble on and on about how happy she is that you have taken a interest in her and all that jazz...I have all kinds of pictures and letters from scammers and as I get enough evidence I will report them this site, hoping that someone would be smarter than I was their first time around and check here first to see if that woman they fell in love with is known to be a fake.

Patrick Little

Hi Hunnie

Thanks for the mail,I'm doing good Hunnie..Very happy to have you in my life and i just like to express my feelings to you because you are the man of my heart..Well i don't have anyone to come pick me up at the Airport and i will love you to and do that because i love you so much...you have kids does not have anything to do with our relationship we can live together as one i can take care of them I will love to meet you in person Let me have this Info of you so that i can be with you when i get back to the state...

Full Name:
Full Address:
City:
State:
ZipCode:
Phone Number:
Closest Airport to you:

Thank you for loving me no way any one has ever tried. Thank you for knowing all the little things that mean so much to me. Thank you for understanding that you and I need to take time together for fun, making love, talking and just spending time together. For everything you are, and mean to me and everything I am becoming because you are in my life... I promise you will not be hurt just have faith and believe in God..

Bourne
07-12-2007, 11:35 PM
Scenario:

She sent me pictures and I see in the backround Type A wall switch. Next letter I ask her where was this picture taken. The answer... of coures UKRAINE.

Type A outlets and switches are used in North America, and Bermuda. How can she be in Ukraine when the only outlet devices used there are only type C. SCAM.. But not me.... I m really curious how long this will go... I'll put the facts down in a few mails. Is just funny.

LESSON.... Look in the backrounds.

Morgoth
07-13-2007, 08:31 AM
Hi everyone,

I made five trip in Ukraine into the last two years and half and there is others signs that we can check.

When you are meeting a girl and you are engage or dating, normal Ukrainian girls like to spoil their man.... If you are the only one to spoil the girl, well, be carefull. Normally, a good girl will do her part to share the expense or buy something for you. If you are the only one, beware.... Another thing, if you are engage and if the girl come from an agency, ask her to put in her profile that she is engage, if she refuse..... it's mean that she is acquainted with other men and she don't want to lose these ''potential and future spoiler''....
Another thing, if the girl don't show you and meet you with her close family, it,s mean there is no serious relationship between you and the girl because in Russain and Ukrainian traditions, a girl will meet her close family with a ''potential husband''. Not a man who is there to spoil her only.....

Morgoth

PeopleSmoks
09-16-2007, 11:09 PM
Hey guys, from the last posting date it seems this subject died, but I might have something to add and some new questions to submit...

Morgoth, in your travels to Ukraine, have you had any real sucsess?

Something I found to weed out some scammers is to insist on traveling to visit them AND meet their family before she visits you. This isn't 100%, because some scammers may agree and let you fly to a meeting with no one. Some scammers become very insistent that they should fly to you and of course they want passport/visa money at this point.

Train returns

CompatibleOne
10-01-2007, 04:29 AM
Well guys, I live in Poltava, the Ukraine and believe me, very very very few girls would ever decide to fly to another country say like America to meet with a man. I know a lady who is 31 or 32, and she is marrying a guy from Texas (and I teach her and her son English). Anyway, this nice lady really in love with the guy, but she is afraid of all the changes and it took her something like half a year to get prepared mentally for this change. It is a hard step to make, so all who claim they are ready to pack their bags and go and all they need is money for a ticket......they are scams 99% guaranteed.

Oh, and also. Even though you guys are writing all these ways to identify a scam, most of them probably know about this site and also learn from you. So, you have to be even more careful and as smart as a fox.

ham
10-01-2007, 05:52 AM
quote:Oh, and also. Even though you guys are writing all these ways to identify a scam, most of them probably know about this site and also learn from you. So, you have to be even more careful and as smart as a fox.

never send any money to strangers you've never met; and even after meeting, be extra careful. You may want to FIND a mate, not to HIRE one.

How can you beat this?
Of course there is no limit to lies, mind games & impersonation...

CompatibleOne
10-01-2007, 08:03 AM
That is a good thought. Personally I do not see anything wrong in giving the money to someone you are going to marry. You know, sometimes when you give money to a person is does not mean that you "hire" one. There might be a time when you want to help a person, or give her a gift or something like that. But that is a very delicate question and cannot be applied to every case.

Did I tell you that I am a matchmaker? Yeah, yeah, I have an agency, but I am here without strings attached and am not going to advertise myself.

I know that there are lots of scam agencies out there and you guys probably have hard feelings to all the agencies now, and you have your reasons of course. But still there are some agencies who really want to help you find someone here. But it is really hard, and the main problem in most cases is you guys. Believe it or not, but it is a fact. Most of you seem to make wrong priorities when choosing a girl/woman and it is really pity. I know some really wonderful women looking for someone and they are pretty and smart and intelligent, but no, no way, you guys go for big boobies and buts.....yeah, I am also a guy, so I usually go for the same kind of thing, but it is wrong, coz you know, in most cases those with big boobies and round buts do not actually have sincere intention to get to know someone. Just some heads up for all of you guys.

I was talking with a friend of mine, from Dallas, the one who is getting married really soon to a girl from my city. We are good friends with him and I have nothing to hide, so I told him about this whole dating situation....or call it a probmel most men have, and he said that those who make wrong priorities are doomed to complain and have those kind of problems and I guess he was right. After all we all are responsible for our own actions. Okay guys, too much writing. You have fun out there, yeah, right, someone in this forum said "it should be fun" and I agree with that someone, you should have fun, do not take it all to serious, after all this is life and sometimes things do not work the way we want them to, so take it easy.

Oh, one more advice. I have been around in this dating field for more than two years.....i must admit it is so fun working in this business, always meeting interesting people, really cool.....but back to the point. Lots of you guys go to meet a girl, pay big bucks to come to her place, but it turns out she is not the one. You know, different reasons and no time to talk about all of them. Anyway, most of you guys are sad after that and do not want to do anything but come to this forum and cry your tears out. NO! You should not be doing that. In lots of cities of Ukraine, as well as Russia there are lots of pretty girls and women who would be happy to meet someone like you.......unless you are some pervert (not sure about spelling but you know what I mean). So you go get them! Yeah, language is a problem if you do not speak Russian, but hey, the body language can help you out. After all you are in another country, go enjoy it, meet people, enjoy the whole new experience and lots of pretty girls all around, that is what you come for, no?

Okay, too much writing. Cheers.

CompatibleOne
10-01-2007, 08:15 AM
Oh, and comment to "ham" guy, not sure if I spelled it right. There are ways how to beat all this, you just have to know them. You have to be smart to beat them all, but if you are not smart enough, then you better off this whole Internet dating thing at all. And Ham, nothing personal in what I said. It was a general statement. Gosh, start liking this whole forum thing :) that is pretty cool! I might become a real blogger one day soon :)

Cheers.

CompatibleOne
10-01-2007, 08:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by Morgoth

Hi everyone,

I made five trip in Ukraine into the last two years and half and there is others signs that we can check.

When you are meeting a girl and you are engage or dating, normal Ukrainian girls like to spoil their man.... If you are the only one to spoil the girl, well, be carefull. Normally, a good girl will do her part to share the expense or buy something for you. If you are the only one, beware.... Another thing, if you are engage and if the girl come from an agency, ask her to put in her profile that she is engage, if she refuse..... it's mean that she is acquainted with other men and she don't want to lose these ''potential and future spoiler''....
Another thing, if the girl don't show you and meet you with her close family, it,s mean there is no serious relationship between you and the girl because in Russain and Ukrainian traditions, a girl will meet her close family with a ''potential husband''. Not a man who is there to spoil her only.....

Morgoth



It is partly true.

You write this:

When you are meeting a girl and you are engage or dating, normal Ukrainian girls like to spoil their man.

I say: first you should receive the status of "her man", otherwise she is not going to spoil you at all. And believe me, writing letters is one thing, and meeting in person is another. So, a long way to go till you get the status of her man.

You write this:

Normally, a good girl will do her part to share the expense or buy something for you.

I say: some girls who are only intested in your wallet would buy you something just to mislead you that they care, so it is not a good reason for you to fall for her if you know what I mean. Plus, it is very rare that a girl would pay any money for the dinner, no way buddy, it is not the way things are done here in the Ukraine. If you came to ask her for a date, but cool to pay for the whol bill. If you came to meet her just as a friend buddy, no problems, she will pay her part, but if you are a nice gentleman you will suggest to pay, otherwise the girl will remember this deed of yours and it will not be in your favour. See, when in Rome do as the Romans do.

You write:

if you are engage and if the girl come from an agency, ask her to put in her profile that she is engage, if she refuse..... it's mean that she is acquainted with other men and she don't want to lose these ''potential and future spoiler''....

I say: it is a good one :) Might really work. But it depends what she wants. If she already told you she is in love and ready to marry you, then there is a reason for you to ask her this. If not, they who the hell you are to ask her to remove the profile. And believe me, I know what I say.

Oh come on buddy, this is too much:

Another thing, if the girl don't show you and meet you with her close family, it,s mean there is no serious relationship between you and the girl because in Russain and Ukrainian traditions, a girl will meet her close family with a ''potential husband''. Not a man who is there to spoil her only.....

You do not know anything about her parents. Maybe the girl really likes you but her a problematic family and is ashamed to introduce you to her parents. You better be careful with what you suggest the guys, differnt cases and it does not give 100 percent guarantee that she takes you for a wallet and nothing else.

CompatibleOne
10-01-2007, 08:28 AM
Somebody save me, I am addicted to this forum now. Do they add some kind of cocain in the air from the PC's cooler?:) Gosh, to hard to leave the place.

ham
10-01-2007, 10:55 AM
quote:I know that there are lots of scam agencies out there and you guys probably have hard feelings to all the agencies now, and you have your reasons of course. But still there are some agencies who really want to help you find someone here. But it is really hard, and the main problem in most cases is you guys. Believe it or not, but it is a fact. Most of you seem to make wrong priorities when choosing a girl/woman and it is really pity. I know some really wonderful women looking for someone and they are pretty and smart and intelligent, but no, no way, you guys go for big boobies and buts.....yeah, I am also a guy, so I usually go for the same kind of thing, but it is wrong, coz you know, in most cases those with big boobies and round buts do not actually have sincere intention to get to know someone. Just some heads up for all of you guys.

If you read my posts, you'll see I have been barking up this tree for ages: men ought to have realistic expectations; buy a mirror and think that if they aren't in bed with smoking hot prom-queens every saturday at home, it isn't much different abroad. Sure, exchange rates & a passport can get you a chance, but on very fleeting grounds, often not better than hiring a stripper at home.
Most of these deluded men are either squeezed dry and disposed of (the majority), and in the end the price they ACTUALLY paid for every sex encounter was very high; or the very few who marry stand very significant chances of meat-grinding divorces.
As I say, the prom-queen's ( princess, goddesss, out-of-your-league ) odometer IS running; and the fare will be yours to pay.
Sure, some say in the meantime the man enjoys first class tail & all the rest...perhaps...but when you'll be counting your losses, you'll discover you damn paid for every minute of it, both in emotional and financial terms.
As well, don't expect your prom-queen to be around much; over the internet, reports abound describing how among her first wishes will come schooling.
Sure, there are good accredited universities offering distance education degrees, but your princess wants the real deal...away from home meeting cute boys her age, while you are happy watching TV & footing bills...hell, there had to be good reasons for her to choose you...you acquire a spoilt tep-daughter, that is.
I think -under appropriate circumstances- a 5-man can get a 7-8 FSUW, but forget the 9s and the 10s.
i once knew a decent, honest dating dealer, but his agency featured only a few 100s women from the same neighborhood he had met himself over time, and NONE was a goddess.



quote:There are ways how to beat all this, you just have to know them.

No money from me...no supporting extended families...no school...i do not need to acquire a step-daughter...beat THIS. Sure, some will say I'm a monster, a control-freak or whatever...whatever ladies but still sorry, no moolah ladies.


quote:That is a good thought. Personally I do not see anything wrong in giving the money to someone you are going to marry. You know, sometimes when you give money to a person is does not mean that you "hire" one. There might be a time when you want to help a person, or give her a gift or something like that. But that is a very delicate question and cannot be applied to every case.



You said "marry", but fact is most of the MOB/WWW/LD dating scene is a dog&pony show to bleed men of as much money as it is feasible.
Then there is the human factor...I read reports from men who went on tour who claim EVERYBODY was convinced -at the end of the tour/social- that they had found their soulmate...novelty; "adult disneyland"; agency owners & middlemen who just can't help you enough; pretty girls who just cannot flatter you more...hell, if men said they love eating t-rds, girls would reply " pass the salt please ".
Then things take another turn...cold feet, loss of interest, lack of long-term chemistry, futile men and gold-digging women...
And to spoil the broth even more, THERE ARE women who will go as far as marrying men to squeeze them better in court...sad, unbelievable, but media cast plenty of such stories.

PeopleSmoks
10-02-2007, 06:25 PM
quote: in most cases those with big boobies and round buts do not actually have sincere intention to get to know someone. Just some heads up for all of you guys.

Man, I've got a file that you wouldn't believe of large breasted babes, and it's like clock work that they show their scamming intentions within 5 letters... some actually take 10.


quote:Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter. It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets. The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends. I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here, it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my plans


I also have a copy of this letter to go along with each pair of breasts in the file!

Even the ones that are more patient with their scam usually fall when I pull out the second or third e-mail address and start writing to them as someone else.

It's become my way to weed out the really stupid scammers, and sometimes even the ones that aren't so easy to spot.

I send a generic letter similar to the "Hello my new friend" letter and say "I'm so happy you decided to answer my message on the web site..." What web site? The scammer doesn't ask.

Usually I receive the exact same 1st letter response to my alter-ego as I originally received....BUSTED!!!! At that point I just write dirty letters and ask for nude pics!!!


Train returns

Morgoth
10-13-2007, 01:16 AM
I'm back and I will answer your comments about mine.... First, thank you to share with us into this web site your side. This is useful. Yes, I made five trips in Ukraine in two years and half. Four of them is to meet my ex-girlfriend and fiancee Elena. I meet her four times, passed a lots of time with her, made some trips trough Ukraine together, shared many precious moments together and so one. At my third trip, I asked her to be my fiancee, it was done into a restaurant, with her whole family. Because I knew all of them and the appreciate me very much, as me for them. She accepted and everybody was happy. Even her daughter because I had a very good relationship with her daughter. At my last trip in Ukraine, I asked her to prepare a little our future mariage. She accepted but did nothing. I asked her to put in her profile that she is engage and no more available, she refused. To prove my sincerity, I put into my profile that I'm no more available and I'm engage. I even "hide" my profile to be sure not to be "bothered" by others ladys. I bring some stuffs for the marriage and she prepare nothing. I helped her very much. She was sincere, I have no doubts about it. But I believe she was badly influenced by her agency. I discover by this web site that my sweety try to be acquainted with others men ( you can see her photo at the forum on UALADYS&gt;COM page 22. She was writing a letter to Mr Haney.... [xx(]) SO.... When I confronted her with that, she said this is normal... No I can't accept that, if she is not able to be faithful before marriage, how she can be faithful after marriage??? I was scammed before to meet Elena and now I live this situation. What I must think about ladys from Ukraine??? Two of my friends married a lady from Ukraine and Russia. Everything is working well. Even the large age difference. He had 45 old and for his Russian wife 28 old when they got married. They have a seven years old boy and a daughter of four years old. Another friend of mine married an Ukrainian Lady. She is wonderful. He meet her through internet and they are happily married since five years. No children yet.

I'm not saying women in Ukraine are not worthy. I'm just saying many of them don't realize that we are sincere in our search for a wife abroad and they spit on our efforts to give them a new life without economic and social problems. If we search for a lady abroad, because we are fed up of our ladys here that they just looking for their carrere without family oriented, bad tempered and selfish about relationship with a man.

I hope you understand now.....

Morgoth ;)


quote:Originally posted by CompatibleOne

Somebody save me, I am addicted to this forum now. Do they add some kind of cocain in the air from the PC's cooler?:) Gosh, to hard to leave the place.

PeopleSmoks
10-14-2007, 07:58 AM
quote:I'm just saying many of them don't realize that we are sincere in our search for a wife abroad and they spit on our efforts to give them a new life without economic and social problems.

Morgoth, so you're saying that in your honest opinion Ukrainian women think we're just playing with them??? Or possibly that we have less than honorable intentions in general??? Such as stories I've heard about some assh@le conning a girl, who maybe doesn't speak the language very well, into coming to his country and treating her like a piece of property??? Or worse.....

What would you say is the percentage of scammer profiles on the average website? I'd really like to know your thoughts on this since you've actually gotten on a plane and gone there.





Train returns

Goddiejens
11-07-2007, 01:48 PM
Here the end of such mailing with a scammer. No way to get her checked by simply online chat!!! This proves that she is not real!!!

Read yourself.
Goddiejens


+++


Hello my dear ..........!
it is me again and I want you to know that you can't imagine how happy I am.
I have a schedule of my flight.you can't imagine how much crazy St Petersburg is. It is great fear to live here I think so!Our small town is
more friendly . well,about our business, I tasted my blood,such rule for foreign visitors wanting to visit your
country! Thanks God, I am in good health, all of my tests are all right,I only need some vitamins I think it
is the bad foods and long winters problem.I have to eat much more fruits and vegetables.The doctor said!
well,here is all info ,I do hope we will together in a few days! Info from agency!

INFORMATION MY FLIGHT FOR YOU !

Scandinavian Airlines
SK 737 Pulkovo (LED), St Petersburg, Russia
Terminal 2 14:25
Copenhagen (CPH), Copenhagen, Denmark
Terminal 3 14:30

Scandinavian Airlines
SK 1593 Copenhagen (CPH), Copenhagen, Denmark
Terminal 3 15:10
Brussels National (BRU), Brussels, Belgium 16:40

Price: USD 940.00+

Honey, I am so glad to see that I am almost near my goal,and our meeting wait for us.
I think I will call you from airport and I will wait for you there so long as you need,I mean if you need any time to arrive in airport.
it is not problem to wait there because I know that it is the end of my trip and I have time to improve my condition(some parfume)after
long jorney.I want you to see me in good shape! I think everything will be all right.Rather I am sure everything will be all right!.
My Dear, they have told in travel office that I have to show tickets when I will visit embassy after tomorrow before my flight.
People from embassy must be sure that I am not going to stay illegally in your country and I have tickets with returning data.it is
very strong rule. I have some money but my flight from Novokuznetsk to St Petersburg costed so much(about 500$)
because so many kilometrs from there to St Petersburg. I didn't guess that tickets costs so much. and I have to book tickets till in less than 2 days ,
because of my interview. I have not written date of flight because I do not have all money to the ticket.
as soon as I will have all money and I will buy the ticket I shall write to you date of flight.
I will buy the ticket on this flight. May be you could borrow some money?
I am sure I will be able to return it back in a few weeks after my arriving I will earn some money and at
first to return all money to you.
I also have not written this date of the flight because I yet have not bought the ticket,
but if you will borrow to me money I will fly on this flight, in most nearest day,
this flight flies almost each day.
in Agency they have told me that you may send it by Western Union or Maney Gram. It is pretty easy to use.
The guy from the agency explained to me how their system works. It is instant worldwide money transfer system.
All you need is my name and my surname to send me the money. Once you do this ,
I'll be able to pickup the money in any local Western Unuion or Maney
Gram office in St Petersburg. We need to do it pretty fast, because we have no time till my intervew,
if everything will be all right I will be on this flight!
I have about 450 US dollars yet and I think
I need about500 US dollars from your side with all travel needs and living
here till my flight!If everything will be all right between us I can stay with you longer than three months,maximum I can stay about 6 months for
first time! We should change only the date of my returning flight. Or I can return earlier if something is wrong!
Here is more info about Western Union or Maney Gram. You find any local Western
Union or Maney Gram agent, go there and send money to my name.
Western Union or Maney Gram will ask you for my full name and address in St Petersburg where I am staying at. Once you give them all the info they will initiate the transfer.
In just less than 10 minutes I will be able to pick the money up at
any Western Union or Maney Gram agent here in St Petersburg.

You will send me transfer info and MTCN( money transfer control number )
I will get cash. So I will need your full name and your address + the control number of the transfer. (MTCN)
Kiss you many times ,I am tired today,you know it is hard enough to be in foreign city. So many different emotions .
Kiss you many times! Irina! see you soon!

Ah, silly me. Nearly forgot to give you my full name info and my address.

My address here (the flat i am renting)
Country : Russia, City : St Petersburg,
Address : Roadside avenue 12-4 zip 194352
Full Name LOKOTKOWA IRINA (right writting in English)

I am sorry to send so dry letter but it seems to me I am like any drunker I have lost my mind and my head works so badly,see you tomorrow. I am
sorry to make so many problems for you I only hope that you will be not disappoined to meet me.

&gt; Hello dear Irina,

&gt; thanks for your mail and your pictures. You are really a very
&gt; beautiful young lady. You look indeed very sportive.

&gt; It is a pity that you have not been online on this Saturday between
&gt; 1 and 2 pm as I suggested in my last mail to you. I have waited here
&gt; for you. Next Saturday I have to work. When can we chat online?

&gt; I am fair enough to say that I am not sportive. I went to times to
&gt; the fitness center here and then I terminated my membership there.
&gt; The fitness trainers here are well-qualified people. Most of them
&gt; have a physio-therapeutical certificate and work in hospitals, so
&gt; they do the job in the fitness center as second job. Aerobic is
&gt; arranged by sportive ladies who work as sport teachers in schools.
&gt; They do not employ people in this fitness center here 5 minutes to
&gt; walk from my home. They arrange their business as company group themselves.

&gt; So I am interested to see in which fitness function your agency can install you to earn money here.

(...)

&gt; You mailed me that your agency just arranged visa and flight
&gt; tickets for you and also the job here in the so-calles "Schengen
&gt; States" of the European Union, and Belgium is one of these states.
&gt; So that I only need to receive you here at the international airport
&gt; of Brussels. No problem, I can do that. When will you arrive?

&gt; Here is my address: (...).

&gt; I want to answer your questions: I am not a drinker. I drink
&gt; socially some beers together with colleagues or friends when I go
&gt; out with them to discuss or enjoy the time. I do not like strong
&gt; drinks. At home I have no alcohol. But I would arrange a good red
&gt; wine for you and me in case that you arrive here. I have a small
&gt; apartment with a large living room which includes the kitchenet, a
&gt; bathroom with toilet and shower and a very small sleeping room. No
&gt; luxury, but normal living conditions in the usual standard of the
&gt; working people here. I have no car but a driving licence. There is
&gt; an airport express train which runs between (...)

&gt; I am a very peaceful man. I never beat other persons ... may be I
&gt; would be able to beat back in case of self-defense, but nobody
&gt; attacks me here. I hope that you are non-aggressive, too. I would
&gt; prefer very much to enjoy hugs and kisses in harmony with you and
&gt; not have any kind of confrontation.

&gt; Please write me more about yourself and the schedule of your trip.
&gt; And please do not forget to let me know when we can chat online.

&gt; Many hugs and kisses,
&gt; (...)



&gt; -------- Original-Nachricht --------
&gt; Datum: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:26:40 +0600
&gt; Von: Irina &lt;irena@clapmail.info&gt;
&gt; An:
&gt; Betreff: Re: Fwd: Re: pls send me your pics!!!

&gt;&gt; Hello my dear ...., thank you for your answer!
&gt;&gt; At first I think I have to say that I am new in internet and I have only
&gt;&gt; good intentions.
&gt;&gt; you should know that I am not very good writer in english, please be
&gt;&gt; patient to read my
&gt;&gt; messages and see many mistakes. to be fair I don't know what you want to
&gt;&gt; know about me,in principle
&gt;&gt; I am usual girl.I think I should tell you about me, my interests,tastes
&gt;&gt; and hobbies.I think I will tell you
&gt;&gt; about things I want to know about you and you will know my future
&gt;&gt; questions.
&gt;&gt; I am 25 years old,my birthday is December,25,1981. I so much don't want
&gt;&gt; to get older ,when I can see old women I am
&gt;&gt; getting crazy to think that it is my future .I do all the best to keep my
&gt;&gt; youth and I keep my body well.In spite of all
&gt;&gt; difficultes here I am trying to be in good condition and I do a lot of
&gt;&gt; exercises to be in good shape!
&gt;&gt; I am about 172 cm tall (5.6) and my weight is about 56 kg. I've been told
&gt;&gt; I look well enough ,
&gt;&gt; and I think that all women have own beaty. I have never been married and I
&gt;&gt; don`t have children.
&gt;&gt; I have one youngest sisters and it is great problem for us because we have
&gt;&gt; only two rooms flat.you can't imagine what does it mean to be born
&gt;&gt; in small town in Russia,there are not any chances to live well,to get a
&gt;&gt; good job.All young people leave towns to search
&gt;&gt; great luck in big cities but nobody waits for them there. I want to leave
&gt;&gt; Russia,I know it sounds ugly but I know that I
&gt;&gt; will be lost here like many young girls before me. It is not place to grow
&gt;&gt; children and have stable future.I want to meet my right man .
&gt;&gt; I think in future I can work as fitness trainer I have a certificate. My
&gt;&gt; mother is my great problem too,she has a great dream to see me
&gt;&gt; married and she wants to make me happy but I think it is only my business
&gt;&gt; I am not a little child. She tells me every day
&gt;&gt; that I should get married very soon... To be fair I am not sure I am able
&gt;&gt; to explain all in first message I
&gt;&gt; want to say so much! I just want you to know that I am not afraid to
&gt;&gt; work,I am fairly goal
&gt;&gt; oriented and I am sure you will be not disappoined to meet me in real
&gt;&gt; life.I am going to spend three months
&gt;&gt; abroad to work in any good place,agency promises to help me because it is
&gt;&gt; only the way I can leave Russia.I will have all documents
&gt;&gt; to travel in a few days and i will travel to St Petersburg then,from St
&gt;&gt; Petersburg I will travel to you and they ask me about name of the city i am
&gt;&gt; going to work,
&gt;&gt; if you don't mind to meet me please tell me the name of your city and
&gt;&gt; nearest international airport! I will book my flight from St Petersburg!
&gt;&gt; I think it would be so great to meet my love and stay there forever.I
&gt;&gt; know that it is not so easy like I think but I think it is possible that I
&gt;&gt; meat my real love.
&gt;&gt; I want to love and to be loved I want to build our own happiness,only me
&gt;&gt; and my man there. I don't smoke,I tried to smoke when I was younger.
&gt;&gt; I may have a glass of red dry vine,sometimes it helps to relax. I try to
&gt;&gt; take care of my body and face. I know it is all I have.
&gt;&gt; My soul may have any itnterst for you later, I thinkso.I am not a little
&gt;&gt; girl and I know that at first almost all men look
&gt;&gt; at body ,legs and face.God created males such persons. Well,I think I am
&gt;&gt; lost in my letter,I am not sure you
&gt;&gt; understand my goals,please feel free to ask.
&gt;&gt; I live in Russia,town Osinniki, Voevodina street 49,flat 17 ,it is near
&gt;&gt; big city Novokuznetsk.
&gt;&gt; My town is rather far from St Petersburg. I want you to reply if you
&gt;&gt; understand my mind,my intentions,my soul,if
&gt;&gt; not please reply too, I will continue my searching. Well, I will close
&gt;&gt; this letter,I think you are tired to read
&gt;&gt; it.and If you think that I should write shorter letters please tell me. I
&gt;&gt; write from internet cafe in
&gt;&gt; Novokuznetsk because there are not cafes and possibility to use internet
&gt;&gt; in my small town,we have 4 digital phone number and we
&gt;&gt; can't call abroad.Even to call in any big town here in Russia I have to
&gt;&gt; order the call in advance.and I would like to say
&gt;&gt; please don't worry if I keep silence sometimes I have no time to travel
&gt;&gt; ,it is about 25 minutes by bus from my town till Novokuznetsk
&gt;&gt; Please tell me more about you,your tastes,likes and dislikes .also I have
&gt;&gt; a few impotant questions do you
&gt;&gt; like strong drinks too much?can you be very drunk?very ofthen?can you be
&gt;&gt; rude with women?
&gt;&gt; Well,I have to stop or I will write without ending.Kiss you !see you
&gt;&gt; later. In my next e-mail I will write you more things about myself and
&gt;&gt; more details about my trip and work. I will miss you, you Irina
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I like your photos
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; -------- Original-Nachricht --------
&gt;&gt; &gt; Datum: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:48:36 +0200
&gt;&gt; &gt; Von:
&gt;&gt; &gt; An:
&gt;&gt; &gt; Betreff: Re: pls send me your pics!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi Irina,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; thanks for your message. I hope that you will send me your picture
&gt;&gt; because I have not received it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Well, below you write that you will work in my country. Please let
&gt;&gt; &gt; me know which country you mean because I am resident in different
&gt;&gt; European countries.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Good to know that some agency has been able to arrange everything
&gt;&gt; &gt; for you. So visa and flight ticket and employment licence is just in
&gt;&gt; &gt; your hand. And I do not to need to give you any support in advance
&gt;&gt; &gt; by sending money to you now. In these conditions I am happy that I have
&gt;&gt; met a serious person.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Please mail me back one or more pictures so that I know how you
&gt;&gt; &gt; look. And please note down jens_bohlke@yahoo.de which is my mail
&gt;&gt; &gt; address to find me in the yahoo messenger chat. I would like to
&gt;&gt; &gt; invite you to have an online chat with me. This is very simple to
&gt;&gt; &gt; arrange, you only need to go to an internetcafe nearby. Please go
&gt;&gt; &gt; online this weekend on Saturday between 1 and 2 pm Berlin time (3
&gt;&gt; &gt; and 4 pm Moscow time). So you can watch me online and I can see you
&gt;&gt; &gt; online via webcamera. Please confirm our first online date.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Kisses from .......
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; -------- Original-Nachricht --------
&gt;&gt; &gt; Datum: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:44:19 +0600
&gt;&gt; &gt; Von: Irina &lt;irena@freemailserve.info&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; An:
&gt;&gt; &gt; Betreff: Re: pls send me your pics!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi my new friend
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; letter.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; secrets.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so
&gt;&gt; and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; friends.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know
&gt;&gt; my
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; plans.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will work in any shop, bar or restaurant the agency that i am going
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; through will suggest me some locations.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It will be my choice in the end as to what option to go for.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So I will have a simple work till I improve my English. And I can
&gt;&gt; choose
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; any
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; town of your area,agency will only help me to get a visa and all travel
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; documents + some suggested placed to work in.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; My best friend last year met the man from the USA when she worked there
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; for three months, too.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; She had two jobs. From morning till 4 pm she worked in amusement park
&gt;&gt; and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; after it she worked as a waitress in some bar till midnight.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; She was very tired of course but made very good money there.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It is special programm for young people who wants to work abroad and I
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; think it is the right way for me ,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I am lost here,and I think that I look pretty enough to find a better
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; place .I want to repeat the same way,it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; only my chance to meet a nice man.I want to work in USA or in Europe or
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; any
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; nice country. I am full of plans and different dreams and I want to
&gt;&gt; share
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; life with good man because I'm also full of love and tenderness,I know
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I am not so beautiful like Hollywood Princess but I do hope to meet my
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Prince and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I am sure he will be not be disappoined to meet me in the real life!
&gt;&gt; This
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is why I am going to go through the same way.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will leave russia in two weeks or so (I can't tell you everything
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; exactly
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; right now) and I would like tobe sure that I have the man who waits for
&gt;&gt; me
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; there. I will work all day and I want to find a man to spend all free
&gt;&gt; time
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to
&gt;&gt; meet
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; me I will be more than happy to meet you too.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will tell you all details about me and my life if you like my
&gt;&gt; pictures
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; want to meet me! please send picture of you too!!!
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I write to you with my new mailbox irena@freemailserve.info, please
&gt;&gt; write
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; letters now only on this mailbox.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will wait your next letter.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Kiss you , Irina (this is my name)!

** as proof she attached a copy of a Russian passport!!! **

+++ another mail then ++++


Dear !!!!
In me to be created something unimaginable since that moment as I have read through your first letter!
Since then my heart has lost rest. But, that is interesting, to find it it again does not want!
Each my section shouts how it madly wishes to love you!
I wish to shout to you about it always. In the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening and at night when inflow of my love does not allow me to sleep!
You became my need! Without you I would not like anything. Even vanishes appetite.
What for to me such boring life! I would like to see and embrace you always: in the summer, in the winter, in the autumn,
Especially in the spring! The sun, you likely already know, but all the same I shall tell, that you the most light little man in the world! My sun!
I even cannot think without you, I become silly-silly! To me even to breathe it would not be desirable without you! You are necessary for me as air!
Without you so it is intolerable it is stuffy, and you, probably, it is impossible to inhale!
I finish the letter and I wish to tell thanks you for hope which you give me!
Thanks for that you almost do not ask me to call to you, understanding, that it is difficult for me!
Thanks for that that you do not insist that I would answer all your questions. My feelings overflow my breast!
And I would like to express these feelings in my letters! I Hope you you understand me!
I still hope and I wait, that you will not forget about me and my request!
Your Irina

++++++++ another mail then +++


Hi my love,
Every morning I think how it would it be to wake up next to you. Every
afternoon I wonder how much better our lives would be. Every evening I
wonder what we would talk about at dinner together. And every night...I
dream to watch you sleep. Your body next to mine. Your head on my chest. My
hand stroking your hair. Your breath on you neck. Oh what a dream it would
be. I can think of nothing else.

I know who you are. I may not know your hobbies, your friends, your
family, but I know you. I do not need to ask you hundreds of pointless
questions. I know you because I know me. You and I can be one. We only need
to wait a little longer and pray that fate smiles on us. Don't not worry
I'll be here waiting.
Love,
Irina




+++++++++++++ another mail then +++

Hi my good.
We never met. I so to you trusted and have fallen in love.
I do not know, we shall have time to transfer we of money.
I dream, that at us all has turned out.
At me remains money for two days of residing.
To us have remained finishing days of dialogue.
In me the finished money. Will soon remove from an apartment.
I possibly write to you last time.
I would like to answer your questions.
At me our dialogue was not kept. There are no your letters.
So it is a pity to me, that we cannot meet.

I shall always remember you.
With love Irina.....

P/S In two days I leave home, mum any more will not release me to St Petersburg

PeopleSmoks
11-21-2007, 01:56 AM
WHAT???
Way toooooooooo much info. So who are the scammers you are trying to warn us about?

I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but I have the attention span of a zygote.

Do you have an e-mail for Irina? That way we can all watch out for it. I know how tricky it is to post a pic of her. I've been login in here for over 6 months and still can't figure it out!



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Goddiejens
11-21-2007, 06:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by PeopleSmoks

WHAT???
Way toooooooooo much info. So who are the scammers you are trying to warn us about?

I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but I have the attention span of a zygote.

Do you have an e-mail for Irina? That way we can all watch out for it. I know how tricky it is to post a pic of her. I've been login in here for over 6 months and still can't figure it out!



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Hi Peoplesmoks,

here are the mails as posted above:

Von: Irina &lt;irena@clapmail.info&gt;

Irina &lt;irena@freemailserve.info&gt;

I cannot register on your website so that I cannot post the copy of her Russian passport with her pass photo in it.

++ stop scammers ++

Goddiejens

PeopleSmoks
11-25-2007, 10:34 PM
quote:I cannot register on your website so that I cannot post the copy of her Russian passport with her pass photo in it.

Why not????????? Just go to Stop-Scammers.com and click on to "report a scammer. Type in the info that'sasked for. You'll receive an e-mail with a return address so you can send them your supporting documents.

Those guys will check out what you give them and if they feel she's a scammer, it'll get posted. Then you get a free one month membership at Stop-Scammers.com. It's a little work, but not as much as that one posting you typed out!!![8D]

Oh, and the guys from Stop-Scammers will look at the passort and figure out if it's fake.

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