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onthebeaches007
04-14-2007, 02:28 PM
Hello Guys,

I felt it necessary that I share my conversations so all of us can get a feel and make comments on what we see here. Keep in mind some of the basic facts which are...

She contacted me first

She is only 23

She doesn't speak English

Also keep in mind that her first respond to my first response was rather quick (8 hours) and didn't address "any" of my questions. I immediately saw a red flag and wrote UA staff and asked what they thought of this. See thread (Answers from UA Staff) I will make comments before each post so you can follow along.

Okay, here is her first solicitation to me. If you have ever received one just like this, PLEASE let me know. I have heard some of you mention you received the same text from the same or other women a month apart. If you have received this same letter as I have, please write me.

Other facts, I have been a member of CC..now UA, since June of 2006. I am very choosy and have not found a woman who has intrigued me enough to spend $7.00. Does that mean I am cheap? On the contrary, I'm just the opposite. I want it all and will not settle for just a pretty face. Even though this girl is only 23 (I'm 45) she intrigued me with what she said. Oh sure, it may not go anywhere and I may just end it one day, but while it lasts we can all learn some valuable lessons and I don't mind sharing my personal messages so others get informed and make an intelligent decision.

With that said....here is her first initial letter to me on April 7, 2007



SUBJECT: MY ROMANTIC MESSAGE FOR YOU

TRANSLATED FOR SVETLANA My dear stranger! Steven G. How are you? I know that we do not know each other yet, but now we have a chance to improve this situationJ I cannot miss my only chance to tell you that I want to meet you and to get to know more about you. You would probably ask me why did I choose YOU from the millions of men on this site. The answer is a simple one. But first let me ask you a question? Do you believe in intuition, do you believe in some special coincidents, do you believe in LOVE from the first sight? I know that men are not so romantic as we women are, but sometimes you should just open you heart to love and romance and miracle will come in to your life making you feel happy. I have a feeling that you are a very nice and intelligent person, I am sure about it. And I will be happy to find out more about you. Maybe destiny brought us on this site on purpose? So lets do not miss our only chance and give it a try. A few words about myself, I am not only romantic but also very sincere and loyal person. I am the only man woman and I am looking for love and serious relationships, I am looking for my soulmate. So, dear, if you felt the warmth of my message, if it made you feel happier, write me an answer and tell me more about yourself. I will be waiting for your reply because I really believe that you can be the one I am looking for! Do not miss our chance! Take care. Warmest wishes, Svetlana.

onthebeaches007
04-14-2007, 02:42 PM
Okay...now here is my reply to her after an entire day (ha ha) of pondering "do I really want to do this." As some of you know, part of the excitement is the chase and the fantasy. I know this girl is 23 and probably not a good age for me even though she could be a match made in heaven. But I'm not kidding myself and willing to walk away at the drop of a hat. As long as you are willing to do the same...have fun and see what happens.

Notice how I asked her a lot of questions and used all of my 4500 characters. BTW..if you draft your letter in Word and want to know how many characters...highlight your text and go to "tools" and then click on "word count."

Here's my first reply on April 8, 2007...take note of my questions as you read her response!



SUBJECT: MY ROMANTIC MESSAGE FOR YOU

Hello Svetlana,

Thank you so much for writing and sharing some of you with me!

You suggested that I may ask why you wrote ME instead of the millions of men on this site and I say to you?ask yourself that same question. In a year, I have NEVER written anyone from this site because they didn?t intrigue me enough. Yes, some were very beautiful both on the inside and outside but their words were weak and they lacked ?passion.? However, there is something about you and your words that intrigue me. I?m not able to be specific but do ?feel? something from you and I have to say its weird because I have never seen or felt this from a woman of your age. You posses and command a certain presence and I?m not able to place my finger on it. I usually delete the letters from women of your age but I have to say you have REALLY captivated me and I don?t captivate easily. My friends say I am picky but I call it being selective and safe. I feel magic going on here between us and I?m not sure what it all about but I like it!!!! Maybe we are soul mates?!?!

You say us men aren?t as romantic as woman and I would have to agree with you in most cases. You see Svetlana, I was raised by my mother and am very emotional and romantic. I wear my heart on my sleeve and give 100% of myself in my relationships. In fact, when I say ?I love you? it will be for keeps and forever. So, it?s not something you will hear from me right away. I place careful thought into these precious words as they have such a deep meaning to me. What I mean is that love should be a ?commitment? and never flounder under any circumstances. When things get rough or hard you stay by your partners side and work it out. So to say these words too early in a relationship would only weaken them.

Too many people (most) here in the US view love as a ?convenience? rather than a ?commitment.? As soon as something goes wrong, they want to run and hide. I had relationships like this and it?s hard because I want to communicate and work everything out but my partner wants to run and stick her head in the sand. I have told my partners in the past that we have to be TOTALLY HONEST with each other and we can work anything out. Even if my lover cheated on me physically, but told me?I would not say it?s over. I don?t believe you should just give up or quit because someone makes a mistake like that. In fact, if my lover is cheating on me I should first look at ?myself? to see what ?I? may be doing wrong or not doing right that she would stray from me. This is how I look at a relationship Svetlana because it?s healthy to work through things. Don?t you think when two people can work through a situation like cheating?that they can work through anything? When two people sit close and talk to share their heart?this is love?and LOVE can conquer all obstacles. Do you believe this Svetlana?!

You implied you are a one man woman and that?s VERY important to me. I know those are very powerful words and most women won?t just volunteer to say them because they are usually looking over the mans shoulder for the next guy. I also like very much that you said you are loyal and sincere. These are great qualities for a woman to have and out of all the qualities you could have shared?these mean the most to me!

So maybe we are soul mates or maybe we were destined to meet here and fall in love forever! Who knows?

My commitment to you is this?.

They will be nobody more important than you in my life and you will always be number one in all things. You will always come first even when I may be upset with you. Marriage is a sacred covenant to both me and God and I take it very seriously. We will work on our dreams and goals together and I will always support you in all things even if I don?t agree with them. This is what love (commitment) means to me. There is much more to a commitment than this but these are the basics so you know where my heart is!

What are your favorite things to do? How about you favorite color or food. Have you ever roller bladed on the beach next to the ocean? Tell me your dreams and goals and I will help you with them!

And I must ask where does your heart want to live? I'm sure you have family and friends so this is a concern of mine. Your happiness in my happiness. I'm NOT a selfish person and would not force anyone to do something they were not comfortable with. Have you ever been to the US and what do you know about my country?

Peace to you and your loved ones!

Steven

onthebeaches007
04-14-2007, 02:57 PM
And now her response within 8 hours. I went to bed at midnight and woke up to her message. This was an eyebrow raiser because I remember reading the info where most of the women didn't come in everyday or have access and wouldn't get their messages for two days. So , I was looking for things when I read her reply. Notice how not one question is answered but she tells me I can ask her some questions? DUH! This was a major red flag. Yes, someone did read my reply because she replied to certain things from that reply. But, if this was a staff member writing for her, she knew she couldn't possibly answer any of these personal questions.

Also notice how she was very reserved and classy in her approach in her first letter to me. Then notice how in this reply she refers to herself as a "sweet kitten." My point is, most 23 years olds wouldn't use this language and its out of charter for her. I once again felt the person writing this was trying to entice me. One of the sole reasons I wrote to her was because she wasn't selling herself with sexy or cheap photos and was reserved in her writing.

Also notice the subject line. Where did she get that verbiage from?

Heres her first reply to my reply...



SUBJECT: For designing Steven

TRANSLATED FOR SVETLANA

Hello dear Steven... my romantic and nice Man. Thank you very much for your sweet letter! It was so nice of you to write it to me and now I'm sure that these days off will go well because you wrote me!

I see that you are very special man and with whom I would like to correspond, then become more and more close to each other and see if we suit each other, what is the same in our characters, what you like and dislike, to support you in difficult situations, to ask you from time to time for a piece of sound advice. And at last when we will be ready to meet in private, you will come and capure the heart of your sweet kitten. I do not mind an age gap as you wrote that you never pay any attention to the girls of my age. But, my Dear, I can explain you why your age for me is perfect. You for sure are very experienced man and I would like you to share it with me, you know much more about life and so can give nice advices when I need. Do you understand me or do you have another opinion?

As I can see you are a very romantic person who like to listen to his heart. Am I right? Because only a romantic person can follow the call of the heart.I'm glad that you are just like me in this matter. I value this big feeling of LOVE and sure that we build our future that a lot depends from our wish to achieve our aims, if we are strong in our soul love will find us and help us to create happy friendly family, relations full of understanding and care of each other.

Would you like to tell me more about how you see your second half. Do I look like one?

I'd like to know more about you and your hobbies. Please tell me more about the things you like to do, places you like to go. What sports do you play or like to watch(if have time for this)? What books do you like to read?

I saw that you work in a field of Sales, What exactly do you do? Do you work for a company? Do you like pets and do you have any?

I want you to know more about me and about the country I live in. What would you like to know about me, about my likes and dislikes? You may ask me any questions that would help you to get to know me more and deside if you are ready to take a risk in building relationship with me. I think that you are brave enough to do so and try on.

I'm just so tired of loneliness. I want to wake up in the morning knowing that I'm needed. I know that somewhere in the world there is walking another lonely soul that is mine and who knows maybe that is you.

I really want to continue our correspondance to see if I was right.

Please my Dear take care of yourself.

Give you very big friendly hug.

And 2 small sweet kisses to your cheeks.

Svetlana.

P.S. Have a nice day and you will be with me in my thoughts!!! I want see smile on your face.

onthebeaches007
04-14-2007, 03:15 PM
Okay so now its time to decide if I want to write back. This is when I wrote the UA staff member and asked what she thought of a woman not answering one question. The staff member gave me some mamby pamby answer (See other thread) to which I replied in a heavy fashion. I was interested to see how fast, or slow, the woman would now respond. I also mentioned that I had sent her another letter so she would be aware. Who knows...maybe certain girls are in on it as well.

Notice all the specific questions I asked her in this letter.

My reply on April 12, 2007...


SUBJECT: A SMILE UPON YOU FACE!!!

Helloooooooo again Svetlana,

I had written much more in my first letter but was only allowed so many words to you?ha. So, I wanted to express the deepest part of my heart and soul and hopefully I did that. Now I can concentrate on learning more about you to see if there could be anything (friendship, love, romance) between us.

But first?I want to respect you questions to me and share some answers.

You asked? ?Would you like to tell me more about how you see your second half? Do I look like one??

Well your outer beauty is surety attractive to me or I wouldn?t have written. However?I MUST know you heart in the deepest way. So share deepest desire about love with me! This is more important that your outer beauty as that one day will fade and what we will have left is the bonding of our heart and souls. We will have our sweet memories to carry us till our last days. And we will surely have a strong love to conquer all obstacles in the way. These are the things that mean most to me in a relationship.

You also said? ?I'd like to know more about you and your hobbies. Please tell me more about the things you like to do, places you like to go.?

My favorite hobby is boating or anything to do with the water! I enjoy computers and the Internet, photography, and amateur radio which I will have to explain later. I?m open to so much and love exploring new things.

Things I like to do are movies, rollerblading, flying, anything to do with the beach or water. I go hiking almost every week and would love to send you pictures of my favorite place. Have you ever heard of the Grand Canyon?

You also asked? I saw that you work in a field of Sales, What exactly do you do? Do you work for a company? Do you like pets and do you have any?

I currently sell product on the Internet and am building another business in San Diego California. I?m also a wellness coach and help people get the health back. Cats are my favorite and I love dogs too.

Okay, now I must know some things about you!!!

I?m still do not understand why a 23 year young women would have a romantic interesting in someone with an age difference. I don?t have any challenges with a different age but this is not the usually case here with the woman in the US. Yes I do have more experience but is that really enough to not care about the age? What about a man there in your country that may be 35 and have much experience as well? When is the last time you dated or had a relationship and how long was it?

What specifically are you looking for in a man? Money, love, companionship, trust, or something else? It doesn?t matter what you answer is as long as it is HONEST. I will never judge you even if you said it?s about money or you wanted to move to the states and live a comfortable life because you were struggling. If you just want me to help you, then tell me that. There is nothing wrong with wanting all these things but there is plenty wrong with not telling the truth or lying. Tell me the truth and I will always work it out with you...I PROMISE!!

Your happiness is my happiness but I desire to know what it is that makes you happy so I can decide if I can help you achieve this. I?m a firm believer in building dreams TOGETHER with my partner in life so we create a strong bond. It?s a beautiful thing Svetlana!!! These are my goals!!

So what are some of your dreams and goals in life? Tell all you dream about.

You said you didn?t want children and that?s okay, but why don?t you want children? This seems so strange for a woman of your age. I?m perfectly okay with this but very curious what you are thinking?

Who do you live with and do you have any brothers or sisters?

What do you do for fun and how many close friends do you have and how long have you known them?

What do you do with your free time and when you go out with your friends?

What do you do as a manger and how long have you had this job?

Do you love or like this job? What?s you favorite job so far in life? So many questions and not enough time..haha.

I apologize for asking so many questions but this is the best way to decided if we have a chance at developing anything. Because we don?t speak each others language, it may be challenging at first. But I will gladly teach you my language and learn your language if that?s what it takes. You will quickly discover I will give 100% to any relationship if I feel trust and honesty. Lie to me and I will run like the wind!

Warmly

Steven

onthebeaches007
04-14-2007, 03:39 PM
And now her latest reply. It came in about an hour different from the first one. It arrived in my in box at 1:27 pm their time. The first one came in at 2:41 pm so there is some consistency there.

I feel she answered most of my questions even though the opening line was a little cheesy. When I see someone drooling all over me telling me I'm handsome, I get cautious. She also said...that my letter made her feel wonderful this "morning." Well if it was written in the morning, why wasn't it sent until 1:27. This may be nothing but when your defenses are up you must scrutinize everything.


Remember that I asked her some very specific question and gave her permission to be totally honest which I felt she was. She did seem to answer all the questions and I am pleased for the most part. I did like her attitude in the last paragraph where she was saying we'll see what tomorrow brings instead of drooling all over me saying she wants to come live with me. This woman seems to be writing from her heart. My point is...this response has a completely different tone that the first reply that I believe was from someone else. We'll see where it goes from here. I have a plan but don't want to expose it here because I'm sure the UA staff is reading this as well.

Here is her response today...April 14, 2007



SUBJECT: For my handsome man!!!

TRANSLATED FOR SVETLANA

My Dear curious Man, my hansome Steven and my most bright Sunshine!!!

Your letter made me feel wonderful this morning, I like to answer your questions and that you have made so much of them this means, that you are really interested in me and that you are not just for saying "hello how are you"!

Thank you a lot, that you have answered some of my questions and gave me more wide picture of yourself.

I see, that your personality is serious in decision to find strong and faithful relations based on trust, care, understanding and love. I hope that inspite the fact that I do not know English our characters have a lot in common...

Well, I start to answer your questions one by one :))

When I have free time (especially on weekends)I like to spend it with my mother and tell her all what has happened with me on this week, sometimes we go to the shops or supermarkets, then we cook something extremly tasty and feed our father:))(it is a joke we like to meet guests and our relatives) and I think that mother and daughter will always find what to do together.

I also like to spend time with my girlfriends sitting in a cafe with tasty sweets or fresh cakes or we go to the cinema from time to time. When it is warm enough, in summer, my family and I or my friends and I go to one of the southern Crimean town near the Black Sea and have a sunbathe and swim there. It is such a great pity that Simferopol is located not on the seashore. If it was I believe, that every evening I would walk on the embankment breething salted and fresh sea air.

I like the Sea it has some magic (ofcourse not mermaids:)), but it gives a feeling of freedom of open area, because I feel so closed in my town... I enjoy sea voyages on a ferry, which is possible to have in any of province sea towns. When light wind play with my hair, I feel myself so perfect. It seems to me, that you know what am I talking about, what I mean? Me too admire exploring new things, going to walk in the forest and listen to my heart, going to the park and looking on ducks eating candyfloss. I like to do thousands of things and one letter is not enough to tell about all of them. I think that in my next letters I will open for you my soul more and more.

I have heard a lot about Grand Canyon and saw some picturesue programmes. I would like if it is possible to recieve some photos from your visiting this place.

I do not know what is in your head when you ask me about age difference and how do I feel. I wan tmy man to be in a way a gentleman with a reserve of experience. I believe that men in my country has a little bit other type of mentality and so it is difficult for me to find a right man. Besides I do not want to make aquaintance somewhere on disco, I don't go so often their. So it is the best way for me to find my soulmate here throught the agency.

About the age, what I can answer you? It is in me I just like to communicate with people who are elder then me, it is the only one explanation, why I have choosed YOU...

Main qualities that I value in man are kindness, honesty, generosity, sence of humour, desire to love and to be loved.I do not mind the quantity of money, the most important is good character!!! And here are my goals. I wish to be next with my beloved man, to create a wonderful family with children (what you read about children, it means that right now I'm not ready to have a child, but when I meet my man I will be very happy to tell him one day, that I'm pregnant:))) To take care of my family and our own world what we have created.

Now I live with my parents in our appartment and I'm the only one child. My job I have not for so long time but I like it very much. I'm not sure, that if I come to another country I may continue the same,but no one knows what will bring us the day tomorrow.

Hope to hear from you soon!!!

With best wishes,

Big hug,

From your sunny Girl.

ham
04-14-2007, 05:45 PM
i'd be wary of sudden outbursts of affection (" my most bright sunshine " etc ): you're a complete stranger she just met days ago.
As well, it might be letters you receive, if not completely canned or written by a "friendly translator", are "enhanced" by translators (= the shift in tone & focus ).
Keep in mind the exact, very same words ( with minor adjustements ) might be sent to other men...cuties are drooling over the bogus profiles of old, weird garbage collectors men set up...
While we all differ, agencies know what kind of crap sells well with men.
When is last time we had some pretty young thing calling us "my most bring sunshine" or other such endearing nicknames?
I can't even remember...
As well, 90%+ of what s-he types is extremely generic...

onthebeaches007
04-14-2007, 08:39 PM
Hello Ham

I concur...therefore sharing all this with everyone so they to can view an actual conversation and not get roped in. Yes this girl may be real and with good intentions...but not likely. If shes not looking for money then why butter me up with that phase and the "sweet kittten" phrase? Most men love that crap but I'm in search of something real.

Watch closely for my next post as I turn the heat up with a twist of my own.

S

jupiter
04-15-2007, 05:45 AM
Dear 007, You seem intelligent so i'm not going to try to act superior in any way. You ar working through an agency, so i guess that checking the email headers aren't going to help you much, generally i think that asking for an address, and a telephone conversation might be a good fast way to spoil a scammers trade. I also believe that after a few emails if you open the door to a scammer they will take the bait. i.e. Somewhere during the next email talk about a nice tax refund and how you might invest the money ect. a real woman probably won't have much to say about this; however, it's the perfect opportunity for a scammer, you've already brought up there fav. subject; MONEY. And you may get the sob story, right away saving you some time. My personal opinion is: I thought it was a scammers email after i read her first couple of lines, don't know just a feeeling. Good luck, never send money.

ham
04-15-2007, 07:56 AM
quote:My job I have not for so long time but I like it very much. I'm not sure, that if I come to another country I may continue the same

Yellow alert.
This might be a sales pitch requesting you to get accustomed to the idea s-he will require further schooling once in your country...of course YOU will be footing the bills.
Hell, most of these FSUWs (especially if very young ) seem to EXPECT that their old(er) western sucker be not only a doormat, but a scholarship provider as well; easier to "put up with his crap" for a while allowing him to foot the bills, rather than forking $ out, or competing in the few, highly selective official scholarship programs.
They are accustomed (like most girls their age ) to sleeping around anyways, so if doing so with good old Barney means getting a scholarship, why not? Until the day earlier they were sleeping with Oleg, Igor, Kostia etc "pro bono".
So they will "have a blast" being out most of the day at school (where they can elope with pretty hunks their age in the bathroom ), while their old(er) sponsor is self-contented at home watching TV, in the mythical faith his pretty young thing loves him dearly.
I say:
DON'T DO IT! DON'T BE TAKEN FOR A RIDE! DON'T ACQUIRE A HIGH-MAINTENANCE STEP-DAUGHTER!
Of course there are less expensive options, like accredited distance learning, but i was blasted into oblivion for suggesting it on FSUW forums...these smart pretty MOB foxes want "the real thing", which of course means tens of thousands $ expenditure ( which the man will take care of ) and being away most of the time among boys her age (reealy not bad for her ), plus you are paving her way to better employment opportunities once she really gets tired and takes you to the cleaners: a real "American dream".

ham
04-15-2007, 10:02 AM
quote:then why butter me up with that phase and the "sweet kittten" phrase?

Well, which is the most return-yelding target for agencies and scammers?
Answer: vulnerable, lovesick, gullible men, preferably old(er).
The reason is self-explanatory.
You might NOT be vulnerable, lovesick or else; after all, we all differ.
But time wasters, keyboard Romeos or highly discerning men are NOT the best cash cows.
Keyboard Romeos [u]KNOW</u>better than anyone how they are not going to travel 10.000km, so they are not likely to work as long term PAYING clients.
So they resort to the approach which works best with the vulnerable, the lovesick, the gullible.
Hook a vulnerable, lovesick, gullible man and he'll be ready to squander his life savings over chasing a LD/WWW/MOB dream.
You might be highly demandind and interested in subatomic particle physics...but that won't sell high...sweet, generic, heart-warming weather chatter stuffed with earth&sea, wind&fire catch-all concepts do, tough.
If it won't seduce you, it won't turn you away, either -so they think, but they also know gullible suckers will be just hooked.
The "sweet, doting, pastel-colored, generic " approach works.

seajay
04-19-2007, 12:34 AM
quote:Of course there are less expensive options, like accredited distance learning, but i was blasted into oblivion for suggesting it on FSUW forums...these smart pretty MOB foxes want "the real thing", which of course means tens of thousands $ expenditure

I think it was unfair that you were blasted into oblivion, Ham.
May I please have a link to one of the forums where these women pilloried you?
I want to see their mentalities for myself.

And yes, it makes sense that there would be females like this. Get just any man to sponsor them, knowing they can find a real beau when they've landed. Use the sponsor to buy a good tertiary education, ideally away from him so they can sleep with anyone they want. Get into good employment, then dump the sponsor once he no longer has anything they want. And, of course, take his house and anything else the western legal system allows to unscrupulous women.

ham
04-19-2007, 03:53 AM
quote:May I please have a link to one of the forums where these women pilloried you?


i don't have any links, it was so long ago.
basically the screenplay revolved around my "unwillingness to give": i was some angry, stingy person with a dark soul and in love, if you are unable to "give 100%", then you are doomed to failure...
yeah, right!

from another post elsewhere ( i don't think i should link to other forums ):


quote:DON'T MAKE MY MISTAKES:
1) If you walk down the street and you try to hold her hand while you're walking together, and she pulls away like you were diseased meat: RUN AWAY, and don't look back !

2) If you have travelled all the way from Canada (or the US), and she thinks it is more important to visit her relatives or go dancing at the nightclub that night , both WITHOUT YOU, then RUN AWAY, and don't look back.

I continued to believe that I could win her love by being kind and generous to her. At the time we got divorced, she told me that I must be the most kind and loving and thoughtful person on the planet, but that she had ABSOLUTELY NO LOVE for me and was sorry for what she put me through. You see, after 7 years of marriage, I found out that she had been cheating with another man from her college for the past 2 years. This was after she had cheated with another man 1 year earlier, and another man 6 months before that. And who knows who came before that! Just after I filed for divorce, I overheard her talking to her lover that her mother said that;

""she was stupid because she got caught. That women do it all the time, for years and they never get caught. She got caught, therefore she was stupid. ""

I found all of this out after she asked for me to print off a school assignment from her University e-mail account, and when I got onto that site, I discovered an e-mail from a guy saying that if he went without seeing her for 7 days, he would die! The next day and the next few days afterwards, I placed a digital voice recorder close to where the telephone was located and I recorded a few calls she made to her lover. In one, she was making arrangements to see him as she had an 'opportunity' to visit him as her classes were cancelled for that day. He took the day off sick from work, just so that they could be together. And I don't think that they were just meeting to chat or drink coffee!

When we got married in Cherkassy, She was 24 and I was 34. She says that 10 years difference in age was the reason that our marriage didn't work. Next time I marry a Ukrainian woman, I MUST keep the age difference to 8 years or less.

We have been married for 7 years now, but no children. I always wanted to have kids but right from the very beginning she refused to even think of the idea of having kids with me and changed to topic. She calls children "LITTLE MONSTERS". We don't have a house yet because we moved to a new city so that I could help her with her new college education in Accounting. -...- I also helped her to learn english (English classes), and helped her with her new career (Accounting college and THEN Accounting University classes). NONE of this was cheap!

For her graduation from college, I bought her a brand new car. I also bought her a pair of $10,000 diamond earings.

Many men make such errors.
Let the broad pay for her "American dream" herself...

onthebeaches007
04-24-2007, 05:55 AM
Okay guys....you're gonna love this report. If you don't "get it" after reading these words from this post...you have rocks for brains and are a certified wingnut! Yes, I can see how its EXTREMELY enticing to reply when a beautiful woman says this things to you. BUT...the facts are these. She is 23 and I am 45. She doesn't speak my language. She is in a foreign country 7,000 miles away. I would have her come here so she would have to leave her family and network of friends...and so on and so on. Get it. The odds are seiourly agaist us making anything but friendship work!

To bring you up to speed you will notice the last post on this thread by me, entering a conversation from my potential woman was on April 14th. I decided not to write her back with the curiosity if she would write me. BINGO!!! And her e-mail came in at 11;35 pm when they usually come in very early and many hours later..hmmmmmm!

I'm not sure of any of you wrote a woman 2 or 3 times and then stopped but I was shocked that she would write me back without me first responding. The tone of her letter is far from her last letter and like honey dew drops dripping from her lips and she wants to take me to the beach and kiss me and...well, use your imagination.


Okay, without further adue....here is her letter!

TRANSLATED FOR SVETLANA

You are my lovely Cat:)

I'm still waiting for your nice words, for your attention, care and love. I want we to go to the seashore and enjoy warm waves, we can swim in it and play with each other. You will try to catch me in the water... Tender sun will caress our bodies and I will oil you with sun cream. You will feel my care and hands stroking you. I will be your nice mermaid with pleasant songs and presents, what I will take for you from the seabed.

I will collect round pebbles and make some pictures on your back. Or if you want, I may do it with golden sand. Then you will have nice tan with different figures. I will put warm sand on your legs and you will feel perfect on the beach.

Then we will find ananas palm and take the biggest fruit from it. You will feed me with it and then I will kiss you... We will be so happy together...as no one in this world!!! May be I have told you once , that all depends only and only from us, this is true. If you want to be happy be happy. Just take what destiny suggests you to take and you will see that I will be your best present in this life:)

I wait for your reply so unpatiently, my Sweetheart

ham
04-24-2007, 08:08 AM
quote:You are my lovely Cat:)

I'm still waiting for your nice words, for your attention, care and love. I want we to go to the seashore and enjoy warm waves, we can swim in it and play with each other. You will try to catch me in the water... Tender sun will caress our bodies and I will oil you with sun cream. You will feel my care and hands stroking you. I will be your nice mermaid with pleasant songs and presents, what I will take for you from the seabed.

I will collect round pebbles and make some pictures on your back. Or if you want, I may do it with golden sand. Then you will have nice tan with different figures. I will put warm sand on your legs and you will feel perfect on the beach.

Then we will find ananas palm and take the biggest fruit from it. You will feed me with it and then I will kiss you... We will be so happy together...as no one in this world!!! May be I have told you once , that all depends only and only from us, this is true. If you want to be happy be happy. Just take what destiny suggests you to take and you will see that I will be your best present in this life:)

I wait for your reply so unpatiently, my Sweetheart

BLEAH!

As i said, canned, generic pastel colored weather chatter, sent probably to dozens of men from all walks of life.


quote:the facts are these. She is 23 and I am 45. She doesn't speak my language. She is in a foreign country 7,000 miles away. I would have her come here so she would have to leave her family and network of friends...and so on and so on.

s-he [u]TOLD YOU</u>s-he is whatever s-he said s-he is.
You can't even be sure it's a real woman and not hairy Oleg pulling the strings of a profile depicting a girl deceased in 1999.
Most probably a "friendly translator" is yanking your chain.

ItTechy
05-02-2007, 12:12 AM
Ham,

You are great! Your opinions are AWESOME!

I was writing a 25 year old in The Ukraine; "I am her prince", "all she ever wanted in a man"

Yeah right! And my real name is Bill Yates and I own the largest software company in the world! :D

It's almost a proven fact, that a age difference of more than 15 years, is NOTHING BUT TROUBLE!

The lady who was writing me name is probably named Olaf, and "he" sits in a basement with three of his bros. churning out garbage!

And what is the most amazing part,is that I speak Russian, and when I wrote her in Russian, the replies were like, "Oh you touched my heart so deeply, you try so hard to write me in Russian, it almost makes me cry, but your Russian needs some practice".

Well, I guess I need to go back to the FSU for a about another half of my life! About the only things I can't say correctly are our idiomatic western expressions! Which by the way, people in the FSU don't have a clue what they mean! Try saying "Piece of Cake" to about anyone in the FSU who has never spent time in the U.S.!

Ham you are AWESOME dOOd!

Don't be suckered in by these people! Sure, I can't deny I wrote "Olaf" [8D] for a few months, and yeah, heck yeah, if S-he REALLY is real, it would be great, but come on guys...even if, even if they were REAL, do you think a 25 year old "cup cake" wants to marry a 50 year old, and "spend our lives together, in our own private world".....

YEAH RIGHT! More like, Ok, "I marry you, get to come to west, forget about all my family and friends, oh also get permanent Visa status, and can apply for citizenship in 2 years, and don't forget, dump you, divorce you, and take everything you have" !

Now that is more like reality!

ham
05-02-2007, 04:56 AM
http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=729


quote:YEAH RIGHT! More like, Ok, "I marry you, get to come to west, forget about all my family and friends, oh also get permanent Visa status, and can apply for citizenship in 2 years, and don't forget, dump you, divorce you, and take everything you have" !


the link above describes a man's experience. Tens of thousands spent for her education, cars, paraphenalia...then she was having multiple affairs and ridiculing him in bed with her lovers ( he said he registered these conversations ).


quote:And what is the most amazing part,is that I speak Russian, and when I wrote her in Russian, the replies were like, "Oh you touched my heart so deeply, you try so hard to write me in Russian, it almost makes me cry, but your Russian needs some practice".


when people dislike whatever i say, they claim they cannot understand my english...

seajay
05-02-2007, 05:05 AM
Rather than start a new topic for this, I felt this current topic was finding its way to this. Here goes.

Yes, much of the allure for a young FSU woman may well be the extrinsic motivator of financial security and life in a more liveable country. Fair call. But...

I ALSO see profiles of FSU women in steady, well-paid professional employ, living in Moscow. Life in Detroit (or Sheffield UK, or Traralgon AUS) would hold no allure for them, surely? Could it not be possible that they, at least, simply seek a good man?

ham
05-02-2007, 07:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by seajay

Rather than start a new topic for this, I felt this current topic was finding its way to this. Here goes.

Yes, much of the allure for a young FSU woman may well be the extrinsic motivator of financial security and life in a more liveable country. Fair call. But...

I ALSO see profiles of FSU women in steady, well-paid professional employ, living in Moscow. Life in Detroit (or Sheffield UK, or Traralgon AUS) would hold no allure for them, surely? Could it not be possible that they, at least, simply seek a good man?


while a reasonable doubt, i don't think it amounts to much in real life.
Elsewhere someone wrote:


quote:Another posibility, is that if she is old enough, perhaps over 45 and with property or a house or business, then she just might be allowed to visit Canada/America/Europe because she's not just a young hot chick who's going duck under the immigration radar and disappear.
Frankly, I don't think that this is possible either, because if it was, then they would have already left their country and they wouldn't be loving for love over the Internet.

I add this:
1 how many FSUWs have [u]concrete</u>life experience in the west?
Let's forget about the online cartoon charachters who claim FSUWs can easily get visas and do by the thousands; or that they themselves are a "success story", landed in the west, studied at Oxford, etc: they are mostly deluded braggarts living online fantasies.
The answer is: very few FSUWs have concrete, real life experience in the west (=some eight days stay in a tourist resort in Greece is not real life experience ).
[u]IF THEY HAD FIRST HAND, REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE</u>of the west, they'd know their local $150-200 or whatever fare much better there in terms of lifestyle, than an average wage in the west, albeit much higher in number.

2 following sub 1, FSUWs would need much more than average Joe with a clerical job. That is why the elderly and professionals with (supposedly) high paying jobs are mostly targeted.

3 irrespective of the raw job wage, why would a "successful" FSUW with a rewarding career settle for the average MOB seeker?
3-a. While some men love to claim ONLINE about their glamorous jobs, income, status or the like, the opposite holds true. If i had big jobs, big money, big status or the like, i surely wouldn't be "lacking attention from the opposite sex", whatever that means.

4 If ever for compossible reasons she leaves her rewarding career behind, it is likely she won't be able to "trade up" in the west, thus requiring extra schooling and getting easily frustrated for the self-esteem impact of her transition. Can men handle it? Do they want it in their lives? What if a man realizes it can't work & she can't take it, after he funded her studies & underwent other major expenses? One can try as hard as you wish, but there are limits to what an average Joe can achieve.

5 it is common sense to handle "big city FSU career girls" with EXTREME care. Unless one lives in downtown New York with a glamour job, big city career FSU girls are NOT likely to love life in midtown west.

6 it is common sense there are thousands men around these women at home, without any cultural/linguistic barrier to overcome. Why isn't any good?
6-a. if ever a FSUW complains domestic men are all abusive drunkards or the like, watch out!
I) she's feeding you a line to "rescue" her
II) she really has issues with men in general; you are a man & you are therefore going to be next: do you need THAT in your life?

onthebeaches007
05-02-2007, 03:40 PM
IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!!!

Do you remember the last letter she wrote me was on the 24th of April? And the letter before was 10 days earlier on the 14th. Just bringing you up to speed here...the letter from the 14th was a nice reply to all my questions. I didn't reply. Then the letter on the 24th (see above post)was her (someone) writing me on her own. Once again I didn't reply. Now today I received her latest letter. So, she is now soliciting me with honey dew drops dripping from her lips because I AM THE ONE after sharing two letters? Hmmmmm...what do you think?

Hopefully you will see whats going on here. Now I'm not saying all letters and woman are of this nature on this site. However, if you see this same format I would suggest turning the other way and running like hell. Its obvious she is not writing the last two solicitations or she is working with the agency. Wouldn't you think if she really wanted to communicate she would have waited 10 days and then another 8 days? There are many questions to ask yourself when writing and receiving letters. Use your head and some common sense and DO NOT BE IN A HURRY! If she is real she will wait and there will be no red flags. Look what I learned from NOT writing back! I know its hard to believe such a pretty face could be after your wallet but it happens everyday.

Basic facts....She originally wrote me but is half of my age. She doesn't speak my language. She lives at home with her parents and likes hanging out with her friends. So, WHAT do we have in common again? She has written me 5 times and I believe only one of those could have possibly been from her.

Now here is her latest letter...



TRANSLATED FOR SVETLANA

Where is my Beloved...I miss you so much my Treasure and I need you in my life!

Why you have disappeared may be something has happened? Don't make me worry, my Honey!!! Yesterday a dove came to my window-sill and was sitting there for half an hour, making himself more beautiful then he was before and from time to time looking into my room, trying to see what I was doing. Usually no bird will sit on the same place near man. I gave him some corn and he was happy! I thought that may be you have sent him to me as your spy:)to see what I do. Was it the truth?:)

Give you my sweetest kiss and warmest hug.

Yours, Svetlana

Amerikanski
05-06-2007, 01:35 AM
I have had the high maintenance Russian "step daughter." She is 27 and I am 45. She's at at Gwen Stephanie concert with her Russian girlfriends at the moment, and I am home caring for the children. Spare yourself the sorrow. Run for the exits. It is the best advice I can give. If you think giving the good life to someone from a third-world existence will buy you loyalty and faithful companion, think again. They have a word for you? "DURAK" (fool).

onthebeaches007
05-06-2007, 02:47 AM
Another one bites the dust. Thanks for your comments and I agree with your strategy! Sorry you had to go through this!

ham
05-06-2007, 05:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by Amerikanski

I have had the high maintenance Russian "step daughter." She is 27 and I am 45. She's at at Gwen Stephanie concert with her Russian girlfriends at the moment, and I am home caring for the children. Spare yourself the sorrow. Run for the exits. It is the best advice I can give. If you think giving the good life to someone from a third-world existence will buy you loyalty and faithful companion, think again. They have a word for you? "DURAK" (fool).


amen!
have your lawyer on speed dial & keep your fingers crossed.

seajay
05-07-2007, 01:21 AM
quote:I have had the high maintenance Russian "step daughter." She is 27 and I am 45. She's at at Gwen Stephanie concert with her Russian girlfriends at the moment, and I am home caring for the children. Spare yourself the sorrow. Run for the exits. It is the best advice I can give. If you think giving the good life to someone from a third-world existence will buy you loyalty and faithful companion, think again. They have a word for you? "DURAK" (fool).



Your wife (?) is neither loyal nor faithful? Then don't simply be idle and wait for her to screw you over, which you know she will. Maybe she will get an AVO against you, and you'll lose your home. Maybe she'll gradually poison you. Plan now to sever the tie with minimum loss to yourself.

Don't just be "dead man walking".

However, your situation might not be quite as awful as you imagine.

1. You are at home, caring for the children? This lady has given you children? Why would she tie herself down with children to you if she had less-than-honourable intentions?

2. Did she forbid you from attending Gwen Stefani with her?

3. She is out with her girlfriends, who are female, not socialising with other men. Aside from these outings with her girlfriends, does she get much other space away from you? With people who speak her language? We shouldn't stop growing after marriage.

3a. What about yourself? Can you honestly say that you have minimal human interaction, outside of your wife? No workmates? No family?

4. What demands does she place on you, emotionally and financially, that make her "high maintenance" compared with your local women?

5. You metaphorise her as a "stepdaughter", suggesting... Well, does she deny you intimacy, without cause?

6. Is she deliberately a neglectful homemaker?

7. What makes you think that your wife considers you a fool?

I reckon there's a slight possibility that other people have seen you the 45yo man with the 27yo woman. And the women are totally pissed and the men are totally envious. So they have been negative towards the idea, not enjoying seeing another person happy. And you've been suckered into their mindset.

Can you be happy, with her or otherwise?

Amerikanski
05-07-2007, 01:45 AM
For the curious... we divorced a year and a half ago, and the court awarded me my house and primary custody of our son. She simply refuses to leave, and I don't have the heart to have the marshall pull her screaming out the front door. It is like the ill mannered house guest who refuses to leave. I sleep in the guest room and dread coming home.

I am not alone. I have a friend who married a Russian girl 28 years his junior. She brought her teenaged son with MS to the states. She now works in Orange County in a very strange hotel arrangement with her employer, while her hapless spouse takes care of her Russian child in a wheelchair. They see each other a few days out of each month.

My ex and her friends have a club that meets monthly at a local restaurant, to discuss how much they've sucked off their American victims. It's all about Gucci handbags and Channel sunglasses.

All of us bought into a lie that you could meet a nice girl from the FSU that would be happy to be here and treat you like a prince. I rescued my Russian from a tenement and abusive father, gave her an expensive college degree, a car, a huge diamond, etc., etc. The more you give, the less they respect you.

My advice would be just to drink as much vodka as you can stomach, slap your Russian woman around, and f**k her in the a** every chance you get. That is all they understand, and it is all they will ever respect.

seajay
05-07-2007, 02:08 AM
Your story makes sense, in that I have seen examples of such marriages in Australia, albeit with women from Phillippines.

You might want to reconsider the prudence of having your ex still living in your home. Presumably, you went the FSU path to find a partner. Having this woman in your house will compromise any future relationships, which you might pursue with a local woman.

ham
05-07-2007, 04:35 AM
quote:All of us bought into a lie that you could meet a nice girl from the FSU that would be happy to be here and treat you like a prince. I rescued my Russian from a tenement and abusive father, gave her an expensive college degree, a car, a huge diamond, etc., etc. The more you give, the less they respect you.


cut your losses.
girls nights out, especially with these parasites, mean f-ckfests.
Yes, agencies sell huge lies and men end up in huge financial/emotional trouble for believing them.

Amerikanski
05-07-2007, 09:16 AM
Having this woman in your house will compromise any future relationships, which you might pursue with a local woman.

The one byproduct of a relationship with a FSU woman is that there will be no "future relationships." "Vampira" is the Russification of vampire, and she is one. These FSU women suck the blood out of their victims to the point that you will honestly have nothing left to give another woman.

My brother calls her "your 'sort of' wife." I have had other women interested in me, but best to waive them away from this train wreck. Ms. FSU has sent them text messages, emails, and voicemails saying things like "he's s**cking my pu**y right now," or "stay the f**k away from my husband." Discovery Channel should do a movie about it. She is every bit the brood parasite that lays her eggs in another's nest. She's thrown one laptop in the pool and two cell phones. I'm just focusing my energies on keeping a job and taking care of my kids.

Why do I put up with it? Hard to say. She is my young son's mother. She has no job, no income, few prospects. I will literally have to put her out on the street with the help of law enforcement, and it will be a very, very ugly scene (The police have been to our house at least three times in the course of our relationship. She spent a weekend in the County Jail for domestic violence). I keep hoping she'll meet a bigger fool that me, like her friend did.

ItTechy
05-11-2007, 01:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by Amerikanski

Having this woman in your house will compromise any future relationships, which you might pursue with a local woman.

The one byproduct of a relationship with a FSU woman is that there will be no "future relationships." "Vampira" is the Russification of vampire, and she is one. These FSU women suck the blood out of their victims to the point that you will honestly have nothing left to give another woman.

My brother calls her "your 'sort of' wife." I have had other women interested in me, but best to waive them away from this train wreck. Ms. FSU has sent them text messages, emails, and voicemails saying things like "he's s**cking my pu**y right now," or "stay the f**k away from my husband." Discovery Channel should do a movie about it. She is every bit the brood parasite that lays her eggs in another's nest. She's thrown one laptop in the pool and two cell phones. I'm just focusing my energies on keeping a job and taking care of my kids.

Why do I put up with it? Hard to say. She is my young son's mother. She has no job, no income, few prospects. I will literally have to put her out on the street with the help of law enforcement, and it will be a very, very ugly scene (The police have been to our house at least three times in the course of our relationship. She spent a weekend in the County Jail for domestic violence). I keep hoping she'll meet a bigger fool that me, like her friend did.


We may know each other? Maybe not California is a big state, and one of my "bros" told me of a situation very much like yours, almost TO THE LETTER.

Here is a piece of advice:

Be sure she is bared from all your assets, if you haven't already.

Get sole custody of your child (how old is your child?)

If your child is very young:

Cut your losses: Put her butt on a plane back to Russia!

Or you can be a miserable wreck, until you "off yourself", in that case she wins!

I hate to be so cold, but man, you have got to handle this! She isn't a citizen, and if you don't cut your losses now, you will really be screwed!

Sorry, dOOd I know it hurts!

Peace

ItTechy

Amerikanski
05-11-2007, 03:22 PM
I'm not from California, but there are men in this predicament all over. I even know a guy from England, who is my FSU victim twin. I think the State Department should issue a moratorium on fiancee visas from the FSU. Fraud is rampant.

I've got all the legal ends sewn up, including custody. Just a shame really.

I have written some on-line articles about this. There are vast cultural differences between the West and most FSU states. We are taught that "love conquers all" in the West. They are taught "only fools fall in love."

An FSU woman will rip your heart out as you watch, then eat it while it is still beating. That's about the best I can sum it up.

ItTechy
05-14-2007, 11:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by Amerikanski

I'm not from California, but there are men in this predicament all over. I even know a guy from England, who is my FSU victim twin. I think the State Department should issue a moratorium on fiancee visas from the FSU. Fraud is rampant.

I've got all the legal ends sewn up, including custody. Just a shame really.

I have written some on-line articles about this. There are vast cultural differences between the West and most FSU states. We are taught that "love conquers all" in the West. They are taught "only fools fall in love."

An FSU woman will rip your heart out as you watch, then eat it while it is still beating. That's about the best I can sum it up.


The old saying goes: PR-NUPTIAL. Of course you will always get "well if you love me...bull SH*T, but it is one way to protect us. Sorry I thought you were from Calif. my mistake, but you are right, 80%+ will screw an other dOOd while you watch!

You have got to be SO careful.

If there is anthing I can do email me or post a message.

Good Luck!

I like what your said: "drink as much Vodka as you can stand and f**k them in A** every chance you get".

The gal I was seeing, well she was just a space cadet, don't need that, had two American ones! &lt;g&gt;

Peace my friend,

ItTechy

ItTechy
05-14-2007, 11:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by Amerikanski

I'm not from California, but there are men in this predicament all over. I even know a guy from England, who is my FSU victim twin. I think the State Department should issue a moratorium on fiancee visas from the FSU. Fraud is rampant.

I've got all the legal ends sewn up, including custody. Just a shame really.

I have written some on-line articles about this. There are vast cultural differences between the West and most FSU states. We are taught that "love conquers all" in the West. They are taught "only fools fall in love."

An FSU woman will rip your heart out as you watch, then eat it while it is still beating. That's about the best I can sum it up.


The old saying goes: PR-NUPTIAL. Of course you will always get "well if you love me...bull SH*T, but it is one way to protect us. Sorry I thought you were from Calif. my mistake, but you are right, 80%+ will screw an other dOOd while you watch!

You have got to be SO careful.

If there is anthing I can do email me or post a message.

Good Luck!

I like what your said: "drink as much Vodka as you can stand and f**k them in A** every chance you get".

The gal I was seeing, well she was just a space cadet, don't need that, had two American ones! &lt;g&gt;

Peace my friend,

ItTechy