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Aries
04-28-2007, 10:19 PM
Excuse me. I found this good website a little bit late, because I already sent some money to a Russian girl via Western Union for the passport and Visa days ago. She emailed me that she will get the new passport and visa within 8 or 9 days after she applied. (I guess she will tell me that she will receive the new passport and visa within 8 or 9 days on Friday 4 May 2007 or Monday 7 May 2007.)

But, I have not sent the money to let her buy airplane ticket yet (fortunately). I do not know whether she is a scammer (I guess she may be a scammer, but not so sure.).

***One more information:
She mostly answer my questions one by one.

(A)
Because I do not want to waste and send my big money (at least $1220 US dollars) to her again if she is really a scammer, so I want to ask your help to analyze the whole situation.
(B)
But, I also do not want to miss this opportunity to meet her or further marriage if she is not a scammer but a good russian girl.

So I hope to get help and precious insight from all gentlemen here. Thank you in advance.

Question 1:
She emailed me that she will get "the new passport" and "the Australian visa" within about 8 days after she applied. Is it for both "the new passport" and "the Australian visa" so quick ??? I really doubt it. Does anybody know ???

Question 2:
Is it so easy for a Russian girl to obtain the Australian tourist visa with Australian person's invitation letter ??? (I have never sent her any invitation letter.)

Question 3:
She is 28 years old and work for her company for 6 or 7 years already. Her salary is low ($100 US dollars/month). But, she told me that according to the travel agency and the regulation in the Australian Embassy in Russia, as long as her emplyer (her company or organization) can issue the evidence (certificate) of her current job to prove that she has a stable job in Russia, then she definitely can obtain the "Australian tourist visa" and the low income does not matter at all. Is it true ??? Please tell me. Thank you.
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In addition, she told me that her parents have real estate {ie, a apartment (flat)} where they are living now. She currently lives with her parents in her parents' apartment (flat). She said this real estate document will also be provided as evidence. Does this help her to some extent to obtain the Australian tourist visa ???
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However, Today I accessed the "Australian tourist visa website" to have a look. I think that she may be a scammer because there is a "Financial requirements" (shown below). But I am not sure whether the Australian Embassy in Russia will give the tourist visa to the Russian people looser and easier than the formal regulation of "Financial requirement" of "Australian tourist visa" (listed below). I believe that this Russian girl cannot provide evidence of "sufficient funds" to cover all costs for the duration of her stay in Australia. So, It appears that she was lying me that she can get the tourist visa without providing "sufficient funds", right?

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"Financial requirements":
You must have access to "sufficient funds" to cover all costs for the duration of your stay in Australia, including health insurance if required. You "MAY BE" asked to provide evidence of your funds.
Examples: personal bank statements, pay slips, audited accounts, taxation records, credit card limit. (please see the following link)
http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/tourist/676/eligibility.htm
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Question 4:
But, Excuse me, in the above "Financial requirements",
Why does it use "may be", rather than "are","will be" ???
Does it mean any flexibility to allow some people without "sufficient funds" to get the Australian tourist visa)???

Question 5:
Does anybody here hear that some Russian people got the Australian tourist visa (recently or before) without providing evidence of sufficient funding, but she/he only provides the evidence of her/his current job issued by her/his employer ???

Question 6:
Has anybody heard of Nataly (or Nataly kokova)??? or Was anybody cheated money by her via Western Union ???

Question 7:
I met her in Lavalife dating website. She took the initiative to find me and sent message to me. and then I replied to her. She spontaneously gave me her home address in her third email.(I did not ask her home address). In fact, I also do not know whether her home address and full English name given to me are correct or not. But she said that her family has "no telephone and no computer". she also said that she wrote emails to me from "the Internet of Cafe" (***the backgroud is very similar to some reported scammers here ???).

Question 8:
She is corresponding with me now. At the beginning (since the 6th or 7th email) (at least 4 to 5 emials), She asked me to go to her Russian home to meet her and see her parents. (From this angle, it seems that she has no intention to cheat my money, right? because she just want me to go to Russia to meet her!).

But I replied to her 3 or 4 times that I do not know Russian Language so that I replied to her that it is dangerous for me to go to Russia to meet her. Then, after that, she replied to me that she is willing to come to Australia to meet me. But she has no money so that I need to send money to her to let her get the new international passport and the tourist visa first.

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***all the details are listed above. already. Hope all gentlemen here, please help me to analyze this case. Then, tell me whether she is 100% a scammer ???

All in all, now, I need all your help to make a correct decision whether I can trust her to send the extra money (at least $1220 US dollars) to let her buy airplane ticket to come to Australia. (sorry, I do not want to go to Russia to meet her. so, please do not give me this suggestion. I think it is dangerous for me to go to Russia to meet her if she is really a scammer.) So, Please help me. Thank you.

(A)
On one hand, If she is really a scammer, I do not want to waste and send my big money (at least $1220 US dollars) to her again. So I want to ask your help to analyze the whole situation.

(B)
But, on the other hand, If she is not a scammer but a good russian girl, I also do not want to miss this opportunity to meet her or further marriage

Thanks a lot for your help in advance.

Waiting for your great help and analysis.
Aries
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Question 9:
This question is not related to this Russian girl. I just heard that (1)if the Russian person's emplyer (company or organization) can issue the evidence (certificate) of her current job to prove that she/he has a stable job in Russia, and (2) she/he can buy the airplane ticket in advance before she/he apply for the Australian tourist visa (no matter where his/her funding is from, for example: her/his friend send money to her/him from overseas for ticket purchase) for checkup by the Australian embassey in Russia, then she/he definitely can obtain the "Australian tourist visa" and the low income does not matter at all. Is it true ??? Please tell me. Thank you.

HUMAID
04-29-2007, 12:26 AM
GOODMORNING ARIES HOW ARE YOU MY FRIEND I GUESS IF YOU ASK HER TO SEND YOU HER NEW PASSPORT COPY AND TELL HER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEND HER THE TICKET YOU WILL REALIZED WITHER SHE IS GOOD OR BAD GIRL ALSO THE AIRLINES COULS ISSU A NON REFOUND TICKET SO IF SHE IS LIER OR TRY TO CASH THE TICKET THEY WILL REFUSE THEN AT THIS TIME YOU CAN GET YOUR TICKET MONEY BACK BUT FORGET THE MONEY YOU SEND FOR HER PASSPORT . YOUR FRIEND KHALID TACK CARE

Aries
04-29-2007, 01:33 AM
Good morning HUMAID, Thanks a lot for your suggestions! They are very useful. I still have some questions, can you and other gentlemen help me ??? Thanks a lot!

1.
I am not so sure your meaning. Do you mean I just test her by notifying her that I will buy and send a ticket to her rather than send her money to buy a ticket in Russia ??? right???

2.
But there is quite hard for me to buy a cheap ticket from Australia because the ticket bought in Australia ($1700 US dollars or $1960 AU dollars) is almost $400-$500 USD more expensive than the airfare in Russia ($1220 US dollars). I do not know why the difference is so big ???
(I only know one Australian travel agency can sell "the from Moscow to Melbourne" round-trip ticket, and the airfare is very expensive.)

3.
Does anybody know where I can buy a cheaper "from Moscow to Melbourne" round-trip ticket inside Australia ??? I know the Australian "flights centre" website ( http://www.flightcentre.com.au/ ) can offer cheaper round-trip airfare "from Melbourne to Moscow". But, Australian "flights centre" website seems not able to sell the "from Moscow to Melbourne" round-trip ticket. Am I correct ??? Anybody can provide the information concerning how to buy the cheaper "from Moscow to Melbourne" round-trip ticket in Australia ??? Thanks in advance.

4.
If I really buy a ticket for her from Australia. Should I really deliver the ticket by post to her ??? Or can I just email her "the flight number and itinerary" ??? Then she can take the airplane without problem ??? Please let me know.

5.
In addition, if I tell her I will buy a ticket for and she reply OK to me, but eventually she refuse to take the airplane to come to Australia, Can I still get my money back from "the travel agency" ???

I am not sure. If not, I still lose my big money, right? Does anybody know how to do it in Australia, then I absolutely can "safely" get my money back even if that Russian girl eventually refuse to take the airplane to come to Australia ??? Thanks a lot in advance.

6.
As regards the new passport, somebody said in this forum that it may be fake, and I cannot tell the difference. And eventually I may be cheated by her. Any suggestion for how to confirm whether her new passport is true or fake ??? Thanks a lot.

HUMAID
04-29-2007, 05:24 AM
BIG GOODMORNING ARIES THIS IS HUMAID AGAIN MY FRIEND I GUSS ONCE YOU ASK HER TO SEND YOU HER NEW PASSPORT COPY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW IF SHE IS GOOD GIRL OR NOT ALSO FOR CHEEP FLIGHT YOU CAN USE OTHER AIRLINES WITH SOME CONNECTION LIKE TURKISH AIRLINS OR THAILAND AIRLINES BUT DONT FORGET TO ASK FOR NUN REFUND TICKT WHICH MEANS IF SHE DONT USE IT THE MONEY WILL GO BACK TO YOUR POCKET DO YOU ANDERSTAND NOW . ARIES IF YOU BUY A NON REFUND TICKET NO NEED TO SEND IT THE AIRLINES OFFICE IN RUSSIAN WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL ISSUE THE TICKET AND SHE HAVE TO PASS BY THE AIRLINE OFFICE TO PICK UP THE TICKET . ARE YOU HAPPY NOW ? HOPE YOU ALWAYS HAPPY . DONT GO TO TOUREST AGENCY GO TO THE OFFICIAL AIRLINES OFFICE THEY WILL DO IT FOR YOU .BY THE WAY IF THE PASSPORT IS NOT REAL SHE CANT USE THE TICKET OR IF SHE MISS THE FLIGHT ALSO THE MONEY WILL GO BACK TO YOU .HOPE TO HEAR GOOD NEWS FROM YOU SOON UNTIL THEN TACK CARE . WORM REGARD KHALID . ALSO YOU MAY ASK DUBLINDIEVEL HE IS WHAT I CALL HIM THE GOODFATHER

Aries
04-30-2007, 01:43 PM
HUMAID, Thank you so much for your suggestions. OK, I will try it.

In addition, Can you please tell me some good and safe websites to effectively seek for the beautiful ladies (wife) of the Russian federation ? Thanks a lot.

michael216
05-01-2007, 12:13 AM
Hey bro, your being scammed, girls in other countries, cannot get visas to come to the usa, you have to file a k-1 visa petition to get her here. I got scammed by a beautiful romanian girl, i spent 3 years going back and forth to see her, got her a visa, and when she camer here she bolted from the airport. I would say that very very few girls in eastern europe are really looking for a man in usa, its all about taking money from u, or getting a visa to come here....i have lost all faith, and hope in meeting a sincere girl from europe, you have to be real careful, anytime they ask for a nickel, run away, and you wont know if they really love you until the 2 years are up, when u marry them, if they dont take off from you at the airport here first. It is way to risky to try to make it work, and find a real sincere women from over therre, stick to your own country, TRUST ME.

Aries
05-01-2007, 02:49 PM
Michael, thanks a lot for your own experience. What you said is quite true. It is really risky to try to get a wife from eastern europe or Russian federation. So, thanks a lot once again for your suggestion and experience.

Aries
05-05-2007, 11:44 AM
Hi, ITtechy, ham, Humaid, Michael, and other friends, Yes, you are right that she is a scammer!

Thanks a lot for all your great help.

Ihearmytrain
05-05-2007, 06:40 PM
Hey Aries! First of all I'm sorry to hear you lost money to her. Second, don't give up. I haven't. As for your personal info, in the USA, we have social security numbers. It's just about impossible for someone to mess with your bank account or most money related stuff if they don't have that piece of info. I don't know about Australia? If you choose to continue your search for Russian girl, some advice....
1)Check anti-scammer sites like this one for photos etc.
2)Try to get her to send as many photos as you can. (more to compare)
3)Realize that if it's a "Glamour Shots" photo, she's probably fake.
4)Nude, semi-nude, spread legs, "panty shots" are a red flag. She's
getting you to think with the wrong part of your anatomy.
5)No one falls in love and wants to fly half way around the world to a
foreign country to be with a person they have never met after 3 or 4
e-mails.
6)Check your counrty's visa requirements. As soon as she tells you
her friend works at a travel agency and can get her a visa in less
time than your government allows... RED FLAG!!!
7)If you and your lady (after a reasonable amount of time) decide you
would like to meet, explain to her that you need:
1)HER full name
2)HER full address
8)With this infomation, you can pay an agency to run a background
check on her. It will cost some cash, but it's better than giving
it's better than giving it to the scammers.
9)Hopefully everything checks out, but do not send money for airline
tickets! It costs more, but deal direct with the airline and buy
refundable tickets that only you can cash in!!!
10)Nothing is 100%. A piece of an old Russian satelite my crash
through my roof and kill me before I finish this! Made it!!!



Train

HUMAID
05-05-2007, 08:12 PM
GOODMORNING AGAIN ARIES HOW ARE YOU AGAIN HOPE YOU ARE ORIANTED NOW FOR WHAT GOING ON . I BEEN TO ALL OVER THE WORRLD ALMOST NOT COZE I AM RICH BUT COZE OF MY JOB . HAVE YOU ASK YOUR SEIF WHAT DO YOU WONT OF THE GIRLS ? IT IS FOR ME BIG DEFFERENT BETWEEN WEST EUROP AND EAST . YES ARIES IF YOU TAKE TO EAST EUROP GIRL OR LISTEN IT LOOK LIKE YOU TAKE WITH ARMY GENERAL . IF YOU LOOK FOR A GOOD GIRLS EVEN THEY ARE NOT THAT MUCH BEAUTIFUL THEN IT IS TIME TO THINK ABOUT PHELIPPINES . MOST OF THE LADY THERE IN EAST COUNTRY LOOK FOR YOUR MONEY AND THEY SPEND MONEY TO BUY VODKA COZE IT CONNECTING PEOPEL .HOPE YOU GO THER FIREST AND TRY PEOPEL THERE .

ItTechy
05-11-2007, 12:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Aries

Hi, ITtechy, ham, Humaid, Michael, and other friends here, Can I ask your help again?

Yes, you are right that she is a scammer! In that Russian girl's 4th (or 5th) email, she asked my phone number, home address and my full name. I do not know why she wanted to know my personal details. She said she has no home phone and told me she is poor. But she said that she wanted to use her own money to go to the telegraph office in her city to call me and want to send a paper letter and small gift to me. In fact, I did not believe what she said because she is poor and have low salary.

But, I am so wondering why she wanted to know "my phone number, home address and my full name". What can she get any advantage or any benefit or anything good from "my phone number, home address and my full name" ???

Excuse me, Can you please help me to analyze why she wanted to know "my phone number, home address and my full name" in her 4th (or 5th) email???
(**I did not tell her my home address and my full name until I sent the money to her via Western Union. So now she knew "my home address and my full name" already because when I sent her money by Western Union I have to write down my full name and address on the form and tell her in the email to let her collect the money from the Western Union in Russia. But She still does not know my home phone.)

Will it be "harmful" to me in the future "that she knew my full name and home address" ??? (I mean: Will she do any bad thing to harm me using my personal details, such as my full name and my home address ???)

Or, even she know my full name and my home address, she still cannot do anything harmful or bad to me ??? Please help me to analyze the situation. Many thanks in advance!!!

Now, I am afraid that she do any bad thing to harm me using my personal details, such as my full name and my home address.

So, all friends here, please help me in this aspect and answer my questions that I raised in the above. Many thanks in advance. I really need your help, otherwise I always feel worried and scared.

Look forward to receiving your insight and information.

Thanks a lot.




DO NOT EVER GIVE OUT YOUR PERSONAL INFO!

Just sound advice...sure I have done it too, I think we all have, even if we "knew it was a scam" but the danger is if "they" know where you are, and are running a theft ring near your community; you gave them a map!

I can't tell you all what I do, but these scammers are slick; this racket is getting so big, that it is about the third biggest revenue generator for the Eastern Block! I currently am working on putting an end to UALADYS, but there is a lot behind the scenes there. The reports here are just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

The organized crime units around the U.S. are starting a task force just for these agencies, and lone wolf scammers. See the agencies are the big boys, but it is suspected that many of the so called lone wolfs are also connected. This is a very LARGE operation, and it has so many tentacles it is almost impossible to delegate the international man power necessary to shut them down. Where they are starting to screw up, is by bringing their operatives into the U.S. and "set up shop". be it marriage / divorce take all scams, robbery, theft, it goes really deep. It's only just starting, but this is what will ultimately cause their demise!

Trust me, there are some really neat sting operations underway to really give them a big thrill, and see just how FREE the U.S. is!

Many of the ladies ARE involved, and many are just pawns (Not just UALADYS)

One thing that is great is that they are so greedy, and money hungry, they are really stupid! They are screwing up left and right, and as the old saying goes, "give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves"!

Looking for a legit agency, pretty ladies, go to Elenas models.

And remember the old saying: if it looks too good to be true, it probably it!

Sorry if you got scammed, and good luck!

Got a question? Post it or email me.

We are all happy to help!

ItTechy

cmiia
05-11-2007, 07:05 AM
Elena's Models by numerous accounts is no better or worse than any other so called agency. So you don't need to plug it to anyone here.

I sure wouldn't waste my time or money using their services. Or any other pay site.

If you can't figure that out, or whether you should send thousands to someone you've never met, or find the country she is from on a map then wake up and QUIT while you still have the chance.


It's not rocket science.

Ihearmytrain
05-11-2007, 08:36 AM
Hello to all. Once again, I just want to say that nothing is 100%. Not every girl is a scammer, but it's just about impossible to tell which is which. I found seceral Russian travel agencies that claim they can help with the paperwork. One is actually stating costs, waiting periods and procedures close to what the US Embassy states on it's web site. I plan to pay an agency to do a check of this travel agency to see if they are legit. I know they could be scammers too. Who knows, the background check agency could be scammers, but the time I paid them to check out a girl they sent me info and links to anti-scam sites that had listings of the girl in question. I'll keep you all posted.On a lighter note, I have continued writing to the scammer. I know what she is, but she doesn't know I know, so I'm wasting her time and resources as her letters have actually addressed questions I ask, I figure she has to be taking the time to read what I write and respond to it. Even funnier, I gave her e-address to a bi girl I'm friends with and after receiving the exact same (word for word) first letter and photo that I received, she has engaged this scammer in a lesbian e-mail lovefest!!! I'd say more, but their discussion has been hard core pornograghic!!! Guys, if you catch a scammer, mess with them if you can!!!!

Train

cmiia
05-12-2007, 08:31 AM
Well, if you have nothing else to do with your trime that's fine.

Aries
05-12-2007, 12:05 PM
Dear all, thanks a lot for your advice and information.

Can I ask another question?

That is, Is it possible for me to claim my money back from the Western Union ? (***because the scammer/deceiver did not have a valid "English" identification to prove her ENGLISH NAME is the receiver's "English name (Nataly Kokova)" I wrote on the Money Transfer form, but the Russian branch let her pick up my money by only checking her "RUSSIAN (DOMESTIC) PASSPORT (no English words on it, only in "Russian words", I am very sure of it because the scammer told me!!! and that scammer does NOT have the "INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT (written in English) for travelling to other country" to prove that her English name is the receiver's "English name (Nataly Kokova)". So the WU Russian branch "made a serious mistake" and "did not do their correct duty in accordance with Western Union regulation". But I must say that the scammer had my (sender's) real name, home address, and MTCN number shown to the WU Russian branch.

But I think that the "receiver's "English name" identification is the MOST important because the receiver's "English name" is the person to whom I sent money. If the scammer cannot show any English valid document to prove that she is the person of the "English Name" I wrote on the Money Transfer Form, I think that the WU Russian branch cannot give my money to her (scammer). Right??? (or, I am wrong?)

Dear all, Please help provide your insight, opinions, and suggestions to me. I really hope and want to claim my money back from the Western Union because of their Russian branch's serious mistakes.

So, Is it possible for me to get back my money from the Western Union using the reasons I described in the above ???

Please tell me and help me. I need the professional suggestions and help in this aspect! Please!!! Thanks a lot.

Waiting for your professional suggestions and help!!!

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PS.
Normally, a Russian person may have two passports: one is (1)"RUSSIAN (DOMESTIC) PASSPORT (no English words on it, only in "Russian words", the other is (2) "INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT (written in English) for travelling to other countries".

Most Russian people only have "RUSSIAN (DOMESTIC) PASSPORT (no English words on it, only in "Russian words" for use in the Russian Federation.

ham
05-12-2007, 01:36 PM
quote:That is, Is it possible for me to claim my money (about 600 US dollars) back from the Western Union ? (***because the scammer/deceiver did not have a valid "English" identification to prove her ENGLISH NAME is the receiver's "English name (Nataly Kokova)" I wrote on the Money Transfer form, but the Russian branch let her pick up my money by only checking her "RUSSIAN (DOMESTIC) PASSPORT (no English words on it, only in "Russian words", I am very sure of it because the scammer told me!!! and that scammer does NOT have the "INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT (written in English) for travelling to other country" to prove that her English name is the receiver's "English name (Nataly Kokova)". So the WU Russian branch "made a serious mistake" and "did not do their correct duty in accordance with Western Union regulation". But I must say that the scammer had my (sender's) real name, home address, and MTCN number shown to the WU Russian branch.


you should be familiar with the very exact law of the country in which money was received, but WU is famous for being an operator "unconcerned" with scammers:
1 normally a valid ID is required to cash $, but they often deem that knowing the MCTN and the amount is enough; most WU retailers won't bother.

2 you simply use WU to send money to another person. They do not care about how or why.

3 HERE (but again the law is the one from the place of pickup ) if you wire money to anyone for any reason AND want to get it back or dispute it, YOU HAVE TO INITIATE JUDICIAL ACTION. It's not a credit card chargeback for which it's enough to write your bank.
Initiating such procedures is possible, but requires (TO START WITH) writing to several FSU authorities AND to supply them with PROPERLY TRANSLATED (prefarably authenticated ) EVIDENCE of ALL THE PAPER TRAIL TO DOCUMENT YOUR CASE. Translation, legal assistance etc will easily double the amount you've lost in fees. As well, in the rare occurrence FSU authorities follow up, you may have to go through a tedious procedure (as with ANY criminal case ): they are not going to round up their neighbours on your word alone.

4 You have no clue who is who. Even assuming the WU franchisee asked for and lodged a ID number, high quality IDs good enough to cross borders are readily sold in the FSU; or scammers may "borrow" someone's identity, or steal it.

So, no, i don't think it's worth the hassle.

Ihearmytrain
05-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Hey Aries! What Ham said is basically it, and is a big reason why Internet scams are so popular. 1st of all, it's a nobody died crime, so getting Russian police to care is probably next to impossible. Do you think she actually gave you her REAL name? With a little effort, I could send you a fake Russian passport claiming to be (you pick a name), with some address and a photo of some girl I downloaded. These people are hard to catch and harder to prosecute. Look at how many scammers blacklisted on this site have multiple aliases. The money is gone.

Train

cmiia
05-14-2007, 04:23 AM
Aries, quit while you still have a shirt on your back. It's too much for you to handle.

elenag
05-17-2007, 06:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain

1st of all, it's a nobody died crime, so getting Russian police to care is probably next to impossible.
The lastest 2 dating scammers went to prison in Ekaterinburg in Nov of 2005, because police had like 18 complainers about the same group of scammers, and were able to collect enough info and prove the ciminal intent. Plus, a large number of complaints adds to the number of open cases that drag down their statistics, so they get motivated by that, too.

If more people were complaining, more scammers might have been sitting in prison right now. Police does not do anything often because the complaints they receive are crappy: 1) no Russian translation; 2) not notarized; 3) don't have enough information in them; 3) don't have the copy of the sender ID, and on and on and on. Even if police wanted to add them to an already existing case they couldn't. Of course, often police is not doing anything because they don't think they will be able to prove the case, but that is changing as more and more tials are making news in Russia and police departments are receiving directions from the Minister to crack down on dating scammers.




quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain Do you think she actually gave you her REAL name? .
Except for cases when the scammers have a "helper" in WU and can receive money in any name whatsoever, the name is real, but the characters from the letters are fake.

Also, do not confuse the actual scammers (usually guys) with the Western Union "mules" (girls who are sent to fetch the money). The name of the "fetcher" is usually real, except for the cases I mentions before.




quote:Originally posted by IhearmytrainWith a little effort, I could send you a fake Russian passport claiming to be (you pick a name), with some address and a photo of some girl I downloaded.

Yes, but if you go with your homemade "passport" to WU and try to receive the money, it won't work.

Yoshkar-Ola department has about 60 open cases against Russian scammers rigth now, and none of them had fake passports incidents. Usually the "mules" are identified within days after receiving the requested info from WU and brough in for questioning.

For that matter, I do not know of any case against scammers, pending or closed, where a fake passport was involved.

elenag
05-17-2007, 06:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain

1st of all, it's a nobody died crime, so getting Russian police to care is probably next to impossible.
The lastest 2 dating scammers went to prison in Ekaterinburg in Nov of 2005, because police had like 18 complainers about the same group of scammers, and were able to collect enough info and prove the ciminal intent. Plus, a large number of complaints adds to the number of open cases that drag down their statistics, so they get motivated by that, too.

If more people were complaining, more scammers might have been sitting in prison right now. Police does not do anything often because the complaints they receive are crappy: 1) no Russian translation; 2) not notarized; 3) don't have enough information in them; 3) don't have the copy of the sender ID, and on and on and on. Even if police wanted to add them to an already existing case they couldn't. Of course, often police is not doing anything because they don't think they will be able to prove the case, but that is changing as more and more tials are making news in Russia and police departments are receiving directions from the Minister to crack down on dating scammers.




quote:Originally posted by Ihearmytrain Do you think she actually gave you her REAL name? .
Except for cases when the scammers have a "helper" in WU and can receive money in any name whatsoever, the name is real, but the characters from the letters are fake.

Also, do not confuse the actual scammers (usually guys) with the Western Union "mules" (girls who are sent to fetch the money). The name of the "fetcher" is usually real, except for the cases I mentions before.




quote:Originally posted by IhearmytrainWith a little effort, I could send you a fake Russian passport claiming to be (you pick a name), with some address and a photo of some girl I downloaded.

Yes, but if you go with your homemade "passport" to WU and try to receive the money, it won't work.

Yoshkar-Ola department has about 60 open cases against Russian scammers rigth now, and none of them had fake passports incidents. Usually the "mules" are identified within days after receiving the requested info from WU and brough in for questioning.

For that matter, I do not know of any case against scammers, pending or closed, where a fake passport was involved.

elenag
05-17-2007, 07:07 PM
The only real fake documents case (from the list of open cases) that I know of is the case when the scammers had a fake power of attorney to receive money in some woman's name.

elenag
05-17-2007, 07:07 PM
The only real fake documents case (from the list of open cases) that I know of is the case when the scammers had a fake power of attorney to receive money in some woman's name.

elenag
05-17-2007, 07:22 PM
So, Aries, I have said it to you twice already and this is the third times and the last time: stop waiting. Do the next 50 guys in line a favor and file the complaint as soon as possible.

If the scammed guys were able to get their money back, WU would sto servicing Russia about 5 years ago. And Nigeria, too.

So, put your energy to some real use and file the complaint so their clock starts ticking
http://www.russian-detective.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm

elenag
05-17-2007, 07:22 PM
So, Aries, I have said it to you twice already and this is the third times and the last time: stop waiting. Do the next 50 guys in line a favor and file the complaint as soon as possible.

If the scammed guys were able to get their money back, WU would sto servicing Russia about 5 years ago. And Nigeria, too.

So, put your energy to some real use and file the complaint so their clock starts ticking
http://www.russian-detective.com/scams/criminal_complaint.htm

Ihearmytrain
05-17-2007, 07:38 PM
Hey elenag! As always you educate me. Thanks! Now just HOW would a person go about starting the process? Who would a person contact to file the complaint? I have someone in mind, but am not sure if the name or address I was given is "real" or not? Also, this person only attempted to scam me. I never sent money, but found out that the e-mail address and "her" photos are on several blacklists before things went that far. Can I even file a complaint under these circumstances? Your insight is more than welcome just as anyone else who has knowledge of such things.

Train

Ihearmytrain
05-17-2007, 07:38 PM
Hey elenag! As always you educate me. Thanks! Now just HOW would a person go about starting the process? Who would a person contact to file the complaint? I have someone in mind, but am not sure if the name or address I was given is "real" or not? Also, this person only attempted to scam me. I never sent money, but found out that the e-mail address and "her" photos are on several blacklists before things went that far. Can I even file a complaint under these circumstances? Your insight is more than welcome just as anyone else who has knowledge of such things.

Train

elenag
05-17-2007, 08:06 PM
You start filing a complaint by calling Western Union, of course. Before you file a complaint you need to know where to send it. So, you call WU, get to speak to a rep from Fraud department, and ask if they could look up the name of the town where the money was picked up. With that info in hand, you can contact me for the address of the local police department and for a sample of a complaint which you can use to draft your own complaint.

If you did not loose the money, you are not a victim. The only time I would recommend writing a complaint in this case is if you are supplementing someone esle's complaint (ex., if you find a guy online who lost money to the same scammer and he is filing a complaint. if you can show that the scammer was grooming both of you at the same time, it goes toward the criminal intent)

elenag
05-17-2007, 08:06 PM
You start filing a complaint by calling Western Union, of course. Before you file a complaint you need to know where to send it. So, you call WU, get to speak to a rep from Fraud department, and ask if they could look up the name of the town where the money was picked up. With that info in hand, you can contact me for the address of the local police department and for a sample of a complaint which you can use to draft your own complaint.

If you did not loose the money, you are not a victim. The only time I would recommend writing a complaint in this case is if you are supplementing someone esle's complaint (ex., if you find a guy online who lost money to the same scammer and he is filing a complaint. if you can show that the scammer was grooming both of you at the same time, it goes toward the criminal intent)

Ihearmytrain
05-17-2007, 09:29 PM
Thanks elenag! I didn't lose money to this scammer, so I can't go after "her" directly as I suspected. I have seen anti-scammer blacklist reports where "she" WAS working me and at least one other guy at the same time who did lose money, but reports are confidential and I doubt I would be able to contact these guys? I guess I will try through the site anyway.

I'm so passionate about this subject because I would sincerely like to meet a nice girl and settle down, whether she be from the FSU or elsewhere. The days of my wreckless youth are just a memory. Internet scammers make it hard for all of us honest guys. Although I didn't lose cash, I lost a few months of my life. I don't look for pity, just the sound advice that someone like you can provide.

A BIG THANK YOU!!! Any advice you have is always welcome.

Train

Ihearmytrain
05-17-2007, 09:29 PM
Thanks elenag! I didn't lose money to this scammer, so I can't go after "her" directly as I suspected. I have seen anti-scammer blacklist reports where "she" WAS working me and at least one other guy at the same time who did lose money, but reports are confidential and I doubt I would be able to contact these guys? I guess I will try through the site anyway.

I'm so passionate about this subject because I would sincerely like to meet a nice girl and settle down, whether she be from the FSU or elsewhere. The days of my wreckless youth are just a memory. Internet scammers make it hard for all of us honest guys. Although I didn't lose cash, I lost a few months of my life. I don't look for pity, just the sound advice that someone like you can provide.

A BIG THANK YOU!!! Any advice you have is always welcome.

Train

elenag
05-17-2007, 10:18 PM
Train,

If you want to help combat the scammer invasion, help me with my media awareness program. I did 2 interviews with TV a couple of years back, and after each aired story I would receive a ton of emails from people saying the TV story saved them big time.

I want the big TV network start doing stories on these scammers, so as many people as possible would have at least heard about the warning signs.

I have a couple of people helping me by locating the contact info for radio stations, major TV talk shows, TV networks, etc, and sending them a request to make a story about Russian scammers. I personally send a few such requests each week (newspapers and TV shows). So far no one responded. I think if they will receive 2-3 such requests per week, they may change their minds. So I am looking for volunteers. Let me know if you are interested.

elenag
05-17-2007, 10:18 PM
Train,

If you want to help combat the scammer invasion, help me with my media awareness program. I did 2 interviews with TV a couple of years back, and after each aired story I would receive a ton of emails from people saying the TV story saved them big time.

I want the big TV network start doing stories on these scammers, so as many people as possible would have at least heard about the warning signs.

I have a couple of people helping me by locating the contact info for radio stations, major TV talk shows, TV networks, etc, and sending them a request to make a story about Russian scammers. I personally send a few such requests each week (newspapers and TV shows). So far no one responded. I think if they will receive 2-3 such requests per week, they may change their minds. So I am looking for volunteers. Let me know if you are interested.

Ihearmytrain
05-17-2007, 10:46 PM
elenag, YEAH! I'm sure there are other guys on this site that would be willing to try to help too as well as me. Like I said, scammers are really screwing it up for us honest guys, and the honest FSU women and elsewhere who are looking for a special connection.

What do you need? I'll try to help.

Train

Ihearmytrain
05-17-2007, 10:46 PM
elenag, YEAH! I'm sure there are other guys on this site that would be willing to try to help too as well as me. Like I said, scammers are really screwing it up for us honest guys, and the honest FSU women and elsewhere who are looking for a special connection.

What do you need? I'll try to help.

Train

elenag
05-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Prepare a short (1/2 of a page or so) "pitch" for your idea to do a story about scammers. Make sure it includes your contact info.

Research the contact info for major newspapers in your area (they usually have some kind of "news tips and ideas" editor whom you can write to). Same with your local radio and TV stations.

Submit your idea to all you can find.

Proceed with finding contact info for national media outlets. Contact them, too.

If you do not receive a response from anyone within 4 weeks, repeat all over again.

I may start a page on my site where I publish the contact info for media that we already contacted, to save people time, so they could just copy and paste the email addresses for the media into the emails...

elenag
05-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Prepare a short (1/2 of a page or so) "pitch" for your idea to do a story about scammers. Make sure it includes your contact info.

Research the contact info for major newspapers in your area (they usually have some kind of "news tips and ideas" editor whom you can write to). Same with your local radio and TV stations.

Submit your idea to all you can find.

Proceed with finding contact info for national media outlets. Contact them, too.

If you do not receive a response from anyone within 4 weeks, repeat all over again.

I may start a page on my site where I publish the contact info for media that we already contacted, to save people time, so they could just copy and paste the email addresses for the media into the emails...

elenag
05-17-2007, 10:57 PM
PS.
Ask all your friends to do the same thing. The more people request it, the sooner media will take it seriously.

elenag
05-17-2007, 10:57 PM
PS.
Ask all your friends to do the same thing. The more people request it, the sooner media will take it seriously.

elenag
05-17-2007, 11:02 PM
PPS.
I just started a thread
http://russiandetective.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?p=12184&mforum=russiandetective#12184

that I will use to keep track of my own media contacts.

I will ask the others who are helping me to post the contact info they already found, too.

elenag
05-17-2007, 11:02 PM
PPS.
I just started a thread
http://russiandetective.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?p=12184&mforum=russiandetective#12184

that I will use to keep track of my own media contacts.

I will ask the others who are helping me to post the contact info they already found, too.

cooldadman
05-19-2007, 12:34 AM
Aries, starting in 2003 all new International Russian passports are written in Russian and French. No more English on the new Russian "tamper proof" passports.

My wife got her's renewed in late 2005 and they royally butchered our surname with her passport's Russian to French translation. It has been a a pain in the behind for traveling together because while we claim to be traveling as husband and wife in some situations, yet my Dutch surname in my US passport looks nothing like the way they translated our last name in her new passport from Russian into French.

My stepdaughter is going to University in Moscow and her international passport was renewed this past September and they duplicated the same alphabet mistakes in the Russian to French of her passport.

Don't look for any English in up to date passports anytime soon.

cooldadman
05-19-2007, 12:34 AM
Aries, starting in 2003 all new International Russian passports are written in Russian and French. No more English on the new Russian "tamper proof" passports.

My wife got her's renewed in late 2005 and they royally butchered our surname with her passport's Russian to French translation. It has been a a pain in the behind for traveling together because while we claim to be traveling as husband and wife in some situations, yet my Dutch surname in my US passport looks nothing like the way they translated our last name in her new passport from Russian into French.

My stepdaughter is going to University in Moscow and her international passport was renewed this past September and they duplicated the same alphabet mistakes in the Russian to French of her passport.

Don't look for any English in up to date passports anytime soon.

Aries
05-19-2007, 11:12 AM
Dear all, thanks a lot for all your great help and precious information. Although I lost my money, I feel very warm in my heart from all your concerns, suggestions, and precious information provided here. I really appreciate it very much once again.

Aries
05-19-2007, 11:12 AM
Dear all, thanks a lot for all your great help and precious information. Although I lost my money, I feel very warm in my heart from all your concerns, suggestions, and precious information provided here. I really appreciate it very much once again.

ItTechy
05-28-2007, 10:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by bach1685

Elena's Models by numerous accounts is no better or worse than any other so called agency. So you don't need to plug it to anyone here.

I sure wouldn't waste my time or money using their services. Or any other pay site.

If you can't figure that out, or whether you should send thousands to someone you've never met, or find the country she is from on a map then wake up and QUIT while you still have the chance.


It's not rocket science.



I wasn't plugging them! You can get scammed by anyone anywhere!

But as far as agencies go, they are better than most, NONE ARE PERFECT!

And most are REALLY BAD!

As a matter of fact I have recently been in contact with a lady from that agency, that indeed fits the "scammer" profile!

I have had two nut cases from the U.S., and I certainly don't need to spend thousands to get taken by someone from the FSU, I had that done to me by a U.S. women!

Simple sound advice: No matter where or how you meet a person, especially in these times, you have to use good common sense!

As P.T. Barnum said "There' a sucker born every minute"!

There are good women in the FSU, but just like here, they are hard to find. And like someone else said, stay a away from the the "Goddesses", that are 10+ years younger than you, it spells nothing but trouble!

ItTechy
05-28-2007, 10:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by bach1685

Elena's Models by numerous accounts is no better or worse than any other so called agency. So you don't need to plug it to anyone here.

I sure wouldn't waste my time or money using their services. Or any other pay site.

If you can't figure that out, or whether you should send thousands to someone you've never met, or find the country she is from on a map then wake up and QUIT while you still have the chance.


It's not rocket science.



I wasn't plugging them! You can get scammed by anyone anywhere!

But as far as agencies go, they are better than most, NONE ARE PERFECT!

And most are REALLY BAD!

As a matter of fact I have recently been in contact with a lady from that agency, that indeed fits the "scammer" profile!

I have had two nut cases from the U.S., and I certainly don't need to spend thousands to get taken by someone from the FSU, I had that done to me by a U.S. women!

Simple sound advice: No matter where or how you meet a person, especially in these times, you have to use good common sense!

As P.T. Barnum said "There' a sucker born every minute"!

There are good women in the FSU, but just like here, they are hard to find. And like someone else said, stay a away from the the "Goddesses", that are 10+ years younger than you, it spells nothing but trouble!