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ham
05-26-2007, 01:31 PM
quote: i live in a small village.
here a few men married "exotic" women: a few from Cuba; a couple from Brazil.
There are a couple cases in this stupid village of wealthy men taken to the cleaners by exotic women and ending up in a trailer, but i'm NOT talking about those.
I'm talking about "still married" people.
Well, A L L of them have this in common: the exotic woman (not MOBs) brought over her sister(s), cousins, parents or the like: all of them imported AT LEAST ONE RELATIVE, at the expenses of the western sucker.



quote:Re: extended family. I have no doubt that you have examples of why you feel a RW feels she has trapped her man and now wants to bring all the grandmas over. While I've not seen this personally...

Every last one of the FSU wives in my extended circle have brought over extended family.

Julija from St. Petersburg, father and mother...
Okasana from Yoshkar-Ola, mother and daughter from prior relationship...
Kristina from Riga, mother and grandmother...
Olga from Yekaterinburg, son with MS in wheelchair...
Vasilisa from Kiev, mother...
Anna from St. Petersburg, mother...

The AM's in each of these relationships provide 100% support for the extended family members (with exception noted below), and some also send remittances home. They also pay for legal fees associated with INS difficulties. The lone exception is Olga, who took a job on the west coast where she lives in a hotel with her male boss. Her 60 y.o. AM takes care of the disabled child in her absence. She returns every other weekend.



Curiously...or not so curiously...my last couple of MOB attempts instantly failed when i made clear beyond the shadow of doubt that i am not going to import/sponsor anyone's extended family.
I am not taking sides and making moral judgements: it just isn't what i want and it isn't only (or mostly) a matter of money.
In-laws/relatives are known to be deal-breakers and pests, and i need no pests in my life.
The above in turn questions how much the women were in the process for my wonderful self and how much for sullen, commodious, private reasons.

Amerikanski
05-26-2007, 01:52 PM
Cooldadman says, "Re: extended family. I have no doubt that you have examples of why you feel a RW feels she has trapped her man and now wants to bring all the grandmas over. While I've not seen this personally..."

Every last one of the FSU wives in my extended circle have brought over extended family.

Julija from St. Petersburg, father and mother...
Okasana from Yoshkar-Ola, mother and daughter from prior relationship...
Kristina from Riga, mother and grandmother...
Olga from Yekaterinburg, son with MS in wheelchair...
Vasilisa from Kiev, mother...
Anna from St. Petersburg, mother...

The AM's in each of these relationships provide 100% support for the extended family members (with exception noted below), and some also send remittances home. They also pay for legal fees associated with INS difficulties. The lone exception is Olga, who took a job on the west coast where she lives in a hotel with her male boss. Her 60 y.o. AM takes care of the disabled child in her absence. She returns every other weekend.

These six FSU women together accounted for an additional nine FSU immigrants.

If you ask any of these 15 people if life is better in America or the FSU, they will all tell you that life is better in the FSU. I have sat at parties and gatherings and listened to the FSU crowd explain in all sincerity that America sucks in every way possible. Which really begs the question. If you hate it here so much, why don't you just go back home?

Amerikanski
05-26-2007, 01:52 PM
Cooldadman says, "Re: extended family. I have no doubt that you have examples of why you feel a RW feels she has trapped her man and now wants to bring all the grandmas over. While I've not seen this personally..."

Every last one of the FSU wives in my extended circle have brought over extended family.

Julija from St. Petersburg, father and mother...
Okasana from Yoshkar-Ola, mother and daughter from prior relationship...
Kristina from Riga, mother and grandmother...
Olga from Yekaterinburg, son with MS in wheelchair...
Vasilisa from Kiev, mother...
Anna from St. Petersburg, mother...

The AM's in each of these relationships provide 100% support for the extended family members (with exception noted below), and some also send remittances home. They also pay for legal fees associated with INS difficulties. The lone exception is Olga, who took a job on the west coast where she lives in a hotel with her male boss. Her 60 y.o. AM takes care of the disabled child in her absence. She returns every other weekend.

These six FSU women together accounted for an additional nine FSU immigrants.

If you ask any of these 15 people if life is better in America or the FSU, they will all tell you that life is better in the FSU. I have sat at parties and gatherings and listened to the FSU crowd explain in all sincerity that America sucks in every way possible. Which really begs the question. If you hate it here so much, why don't you just go back home?

cooldadman
05-26-2007, 07:03 PM
Amerikansi, while I've not seen what you describe on a large or consistent scale, I agree with your last statement about liking it here or going home. There is a natural stage when an immigrant comes here at first with homesickness, etc, but eventually most of the RW I've encountered go thru a process of learning to love life in the USA after the first couple of adjustment years.

Comparisons between expats is a natural thing. When I meet an American in the FSU the conversation at some point will turn to a comparison between life at home and life in the FSU. And yes we do complain about how slow, or backward things can be, how things never seem to work, the red tape hassles, etc. But I would never insult a country in the presence of it's citizens so in mixed company have learned to keep my mouth shut.

For a few years I was part of a Russian/American culture society in my state. We had monthly gatherings of anywhere from 40 to 80 people depending on the month and the average attendees were made up of immigrant families along with AM and their RW/UW wives. I'll never forget one evening when we were making introductions around the meeting room and one older man, recently from Belarus, stood up and in halting English spoke his name and where he was from. Apparently he had been granted entrance on some sort of a political visa.

After saying his name and city in English he switched to Russian and immediately went into a sort of mini-tirade about how the CCCP was better, the USA was to blame for the fall of communism, etc, etc, etc. I was amazed at our government for letting in someone on a political visa, who was full of hate for this country. This was during the time that then-president Bill Clinton was publicly taking Belarus to task for it's dictatorship.

It was heart-warming to hear the chorus from Russian-American immigrants, yelling at him in Russian to sit down, shut up, and go back home if he didn't like it here. A bunch of them gave him a verbal lashing at his motives of saying such outrageous things when he was a very recent guest of this country.

As I sat there in amazement at what was taking place, it was a reminder to myself that we are a country of immigrants and easily forget that fact. My grandparents immigrated here from the Netherlands and I know that the family went thru an adjustment period. After my grandmother died my grandfather returned because he just felt more comfortable there. But he never complained publically or was rude about the USA. It was just his personal choice of where to spend his final days.

But given the choice I'd personally rather have immigrants from the FSU than from certain Islamic countries. Just look at the radical changes going on in France, Sweden and the Netherlands for instance. And some of those countries are just a generation away from a Muslim majority and then the idea of head covering for women and bans on alcohol, movies, popular music and art could be easily introduced.

cooldadman
05-26-2007, 07:03 PM
Amerikansi, while I've not seen what you describe on a large or consistent scale, I agree with your last statement about liking it here or going home. There is a natural stage when an immigrant comes here at first with homesickness, etc, but eventually most of the RW I've encountered go thru a process of learning to love life in the USA after the first couple of adjustment years.

Comparisons between expats is a natural thing. When I meet an American in the FSU the conversation at some point will turn to a comparison between life at home and life in the FSU. And yes we do complain about how slow, or backward things can be, how things never seem to work, the red tape hassles, etc. But I would never insult a country in the presence of it's citizens so in mixed company have learned to keep my mouth shut.

For a few years I was part of a Russian/American culture society in my state. We had monthly gatherings of anywhere from 40 to 80 people depending on the month and the average attendees were made up of immigrant families along with AM and their RW/UW wives. I'll never forget one evening when we were making introductions around the meeting room and one older man, recently from Belarus, stood up and in halting English spoke his name and where he was from. Apparently he had been granted entrance on some sort of a political visa.

After saying his name and city in English he switched to Russian and immediately went into a sort of mini-tirade about how the CCCP was better, the USA was to blame for the fall of communism, etc, etc, etc. I was amazed at our government for letting in someone on a political visa, who was full of hate for this country. This was during the time that then-president Bill Clinton was publicly taking Belarus to task for it's dictatorship.

It was heart-warming to hear the chorus from Russian-American immigrants, yelling at him in Russian to sit down, shut up, and go back home if he didn't like it here. A bunch of them gave him a verbal lashing at his motives of saying such outrageous things when he was a very recent guest of this country.

As I sat there in amazement at what was taking place, it was a reminder to myself that we are a country of immigrants and easily forget that fact. My grandparents immigrated here from the Netherlands and I know that the family went thru an adjustment period. After my grandmother died my grandfather returned because he just felt more comfortable there. But he never complained publically or was rude about the USA. It was just his personal choice of where to spend his final days.

But given the choice I'd personally rather have immigrants from the FSU than from certain Islamic countries. Just look at the radical changes going on in France, Sweden and the Netherlands for instance. And some of those countries are just a generation away from a Muslim majority and then the idea of head covering for women and bans on alcohol, movies, popular music and art could be easily introduced.

cmiia
05-27-2007, 04:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by cooldadman

Amerikansi, But given the choice I'd personally rather have immigrants from the FSU than from certain Islamic countries. Just look at the radical changes going on in France, Sweden and the Netherlands for instance. And some of those countries are just a generation away from a Muslim majority and then the idea of head covering for women and bans on alcohol, movies, popular music and art could be easily introduced.


Who cares what you preferences are, Cooldadman?. Since when were YOU given the sole right to decide who comes to America or elsewhere??.

Care to mention those 'certain countries' Cooldadman?. Why bother even making the statement in the first place?. You continue making claims without providing a SHRED of evidence.

I am not a Muslim by the way.


I would have thought you should have looked closer to home if you wanted to make criticisms on radicalism. You know the likes of Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and poor old Rumsfeld?????.

No its not just REPUBLICANS either. American governments of all shades supported even sponsored terrorism that leads to the deaths of countless civilians. Think Iraq, Indochina, Central America just for starters.






It wasn't that long ago that blacks were being lynched in Southern US states.

cmiia
05-27-2007, 04:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by cooldadman

Amerikansi, But given the choice I'd personally rather have immigrants from the FSU than from certain Islamic countries. Just look at the radical changes going on in France, Sweden and the Netherlands for instance. And some of those countries are just a generation away from a Muslim majority and then the idea of head covering for women and bans on alcohol, movies, popular music and art could be easily introduced.


Who cares what you preferences are, Cooldadman?. Since when were YOU given the sole right to decide who comes to America or elsewhere??.

Care to mention those 'certain countries' Cooldadman?. Why bother even making the statement in the first place?. You continue making claims without providing a SHRED of evidence.

I am not a Muslim by the way.


I would have thought you should have looked closer to home if you wanted to make criticisms on radicalism. You know the likes of Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and poor old Rumsfeld?????.

No its not just REPUBLICANS either. American governments of all shades supported even sponsored terrorism that leads to the deaths of countless civilians. Think Iraq, Indochina, Central America just for starters.






It wasn't that long ago that blacks were being lynched in Southern US states.

cooldadman
05-27-2007, 06:13 AM
Actually I do have a voice, as does every American. If I remember correctly you aren't American so who would you be to know if individual Americans do have choices.

Shred of evidence? Ever turned on the TV while France was burning last year? Or maybe you don't trust anything said not tied to an internet url.

Why don't you start by showing evidence that countries like France and the Netherlands aren't beginning to deal with the demographic changes I mentioned. Are you that sheltered that you haven't noticed?

I'll be waiting for your proof.

Blacks being lynched in southern America? Yes, true...around the same time you Italians were helping Hitler bake the Jews in ovens. Good one, Bach.

cooldadman
05-27-2007, 06:13 AM
Actually I do have a voice, as does every American. If I remember correctly you aren't American so who would you be to know if individual Americans do have choices.

Shred of evidence? Ever turned on the TV while France was burning last year? Or maybe you don't trust anything said not tied to an internet url.

Why don't you start by showing evidence that countries like France and the Netherlands aren't beginning to deal with the demographic changes I mentioned. Are you that sheltered that you haven't noticed?

I'll be waiting for your proof.

Blacks being lynched in southern America? Yes, true...around the same time you Italians were helping Hitler bake the Jews in ovens. Good one, Bach.

cmiia
05-27-2007, 09:11 PM
I am not Italian. Not sure where that came from.

I am well aware of some of the 'unrest' in Paris and other places. Sure, the media did a great job in pointing out the violence but chose to ignore the isolation and poverty that lead to such outbursts. That part of the story was of no interest.

As to ytour 'demographic changes' you make such an assertion based on a few news reports?. What kind of 'journalist" are you?. I mean what research have you PERSONALLY conducted to make such statements??.

Your comment about the Italian Jews was totally inappropriate and offensive. So you are saying EVERY Italian was a supporter of Mussolini and Antisemitism??.Where are the Italian versions of Auschwitz, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka and Madjanek?. They were in the so called General Government of Nazi controlled Poland.

Why is it the German population GENERALLY did so little to protest against the Nazi Regime (an exception would be the protests against arresting Bishops who spoke out publicly against the Euthanasia Programmes in the PreWar years.)

Wasn't it the Italians who strung Mussolini up by the feet in Milan along with his Mistress??. The King of Italy who dismissed Mussolini?.

When did the German people show similar courage??.

The Americans knew about the existence of Auschwitz long before it was Liberated by the Red Army. They could have destroyed the railway to Birkenau but decided it wasn't a priority. They had even photographed the camp in flyovers.

The British turned fleeing Jewish refugees back from Palestine during the Holocaust. Britain being more concerned with the stability of its Empire.

Do you remember Rodney King??. That was a hell of a lot more recent than the 1940's my friend.

cmiia
05-27-2007, 09:11 PM
I am not Italian. Not sure where that came from.

I am well aware of some of the 'unrest' in Paris and other places. Sure, the media did a great job in pointing out the violence but chose to ignore the isolation and poverty that lead to such outbursts. That part of the story was of no interest.

As to ytour 'demographic changes' you make such an assertion based on a few news reports?. What kind of 'journalist" are you?. I mean what research have you PERSONALLY conducted to make such statements??.

Your comment about the Italian Jews was totally inappropriate and offensive. So you are saying EVERY Italian was a supporter of Mussolini and Antisemitism??.Where are the Italian versions of Auschwitz, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka and Madjanek?. They were in the so called General Government of Nazi controlled Poland.

Why is it the German population GENERALLY did so little to protest against the Nazi Regime (an exception would be the protests against arresting Bishops who spoke out publicly against the Euthanasia Programmes in the PreWar years.)

Wasn't it the Italians who strung Mussolini up by the feet in Milan along with his Mistress??. The King of Italy who dismissed Mussolini?.

When did the German people show similar courage??.

The Americans knew about the existence of Auschwitz long before it was Liberated by the Red Army. They could have destroyed the railway to Birkenau but decided it wasn't a priority. They had even photographed the camp in flyovers.

The British turned fleeing Jewish refugees back from Palestine during the Holocaust. Britain being more concerned with the stability of its Empire.

Do you remember Rodney King??. That was a hell of a lot more recent than the 1940's my friend.

cooldadman
05-28-2007, 04:40 AM
Are you really that ignorant regarding demographic changes, or just pretending?

You want links and urls, exhibiting much more trust in the Internet that myself. You can Google this one all day and read for yourself but since you don's seem to have that ability here are a few just for you my friend:

Arvind Kumar is a writer for Pravda, the Russian news organization.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/6869-0/

Pro-Islam Media group: In their own words the purpose of the organization: "This website intends to provide continuous information and analysis on the most important cultural and religious changes Western Europe is experiencing."

Hmm, their own byline says what I was telling you earlier. There is a lot of information to wade thru here so just page me if you stumble across any big words you don't understand.
http://www.euro-islam.info/spip/

The Strategy Unit is a study group primarily from the University of California at Berkley.
http://www.strategyunit.net/category/demographics/

Peter Grier, a Washington editor for the Christian Science Monitor, is a longtime defense correspondent. http://www.afa.org/magazine/July2005/0705europe.asp

The BBC, have you heard of these guys? Okay great. "Can Germany live with Islam?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6506889.stm

As part of the BBCs broader series "Divided Loyalities"....There are now more than 2.5 million Turks or people of Turkish origin living in Germany, most of them the "guest-workers" and their offspring.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4086507.stm

The Brookings Institute:
http://www.brook.edu/views/op-ed/fellows/taspinar20030301.htm

New York Times: Growing Islamic population in Europe
http://www.nytimes.com/cfr/international/slot1_071405.html?pagewanted=print

Bach I have played games with idiots before. It is why posting research or "proof" is so useless in most discussions. However I've played your little game, so now is your move. I'd suggest you follow these two themes:
1) Attack the links I've given you as really saying nothing. While there is a wealth of information available (Google brings up thousands), pretend that these are the only sources I could find.

2) Attack the sources themselves. You know, the BBC is biased. Pravada is anti-Muslim. The NY Times is ticked off about 911. Even the Muslims themselves aren't really dedicated Muslims, or whatever. I'm confident you can vomit out something.

Now lets look each other square in the eye. If you can challenge any statement I make, then the reverse is fair. So, what kind of research have done to counter the numbers regarding demographic changes?

If all research must be done personally, then back up your charges with the demographic studies you have conducted.

You can hide behind your own skirt with the weak excuse of "well, you brought it up first so its up to you to prove it." No, you challenged it, so ante up. Show your independent research.

cooldadman
05-28-2007, 04:40 AM
Are you really that ignorant regarding demographic changes, or just pretending?

You want links and urls, exhibiting much more trust in the Internet that myself. You can Google this one all day and read for yourself but since you don's seem to have that ability here are a few just for you my friend:

Arvind Kumar is a writer for Pravda, the Russian news organization.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/6869-0/

Pro-Islam Media group: In their own words the purpose of the organization: "This website intends to provide continuous information and analysis on the most important cultural and religious changes Western Europe is experiencing."

Hmm, their own byline says what I was telling you earlier. There is a lot of information to wade thru here so just page me if you stumble across any big words you don't understand.
http://www.euro-islam.info/spip/

The Strategy Unit is a study group primarily from the University of California at Berkley.
http://www.strategyunit.net/category/demographics/

Peter Grier, a Washington editor for the Christian Science Monitor, is a longtime defense correspondent. http://www.afa.org/magazine/July2005/0705europe.asp

The BBC, have you heard of these guys? Okay great. "Can Germany live with Islam?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6506889.stm

As part of the BBCs broader series "Divided Loyalities"....There are now more than 2.5 million Turks or people of Turkish origin living in Germany, most of them the "guest-workers" and their offspring.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4086507.stm

The Brookings Institute:
http://www.brook.edu/views/op-ed/fellows/taspinar20030301.htm

New York Times: Growing Islamic population in Europe
http://www.nytimes.com/cfr/international/slot1_071405.html?pagewanted=print

Bach I have played games with idiots before. It is why posting research or "proof" is so useless in most discussions. However I've played your little game, so now is your move. I'd suggest you follow these two themes:
1) Attack the links I've given you as really saying nothing. While there is a wealth of information available (Google brings up thousands), pretend that these are the only sources I could find.

2) Attack the sources themselves. You know, the BBC is biased. Pravada is anti-Muslim. The NY Times is ticked off about 911. Even the Muslims themselves aren't really dedicated Muslims, or whatever. I'm confident you can vomit out something.

Now lets look each other square in the eye. If you can challenge any statement I make, then the reverse is fair. So, what kind of research have done to counter the numbers regarding demographic changes?

If all research must be done personally, then back up your charges with the demographic studies you have conducted.

You can hide behind your own skirt with the weak excuse of "well, you brought it up first so its up to you to prove it." No, you challenged it, so ante up. Show your independent research.

ham
05-28-2007, 06:48 AM
the problem is there: the flood of vicious alien scum exists.
Vicious because of the crime they bring, support and pimp.
Scum because (as official statements from many of their governments show) many (most?) of them served jail time at home, and no, it wasn't for "free speech" reasons.
But how did the problem start?
Why did the west make hundreds thousands civilians die as a result of the Irak embargo etc, but vicious alien scum is not stopped at borders?

Well, here you had plenty of bonanza-mongers. They said (past tense) how alien scum (well, you can't expect they send you their Von Brauns or dr.Barnaard, do you? ) would "pay for our retirements" and "take up necessary jobs we no longer are interested in"...much like grand-grandfather Carmelo emigrating from Sicily to USA in the 1890s.
Obviously those talking like that never had relatives who emigrated or worked abroad, but when grand-grandfather Carmelo emigrated, he had no "safety net": either he became productive, or he would starve to death. The maximum one had were "mutual societies" among immigrants.
Today alien scum is chaperoned to hospitals, gets free annuities...all for the asking.
Productivity? Ah, that's a bourgeois concept...we have Karl Marx here...give them time for ****'s sake!
That has a cost society starts paying NOW, hoping that one day alien scum ( whom you see sleepwalking on the streets at any hour ) might get a job...by then you get alien scum and 13 relatives of them, so costs just skyrocket...none is using a calculator for this.

Emigration is when you are wanted or not wanted home.

There are domestic accomplices: i still remember clergymen in their carnival outfit proclaiming how aliens would eventually convert to our profoud, rich catholic tradition.
You get ten churches that close down for every new Mosque.
Bad news: Mosques open up because someone needs their services; churches close down because NONE needs theirs. In England churchgoing decreased from 20-something percent to about seven percent in the last 20 years.
So much for the "conversion".
Aliens want no jew as god, whether it be Karl Marx or Jesus.
Besides flaming display of contempt on their side towards christianity, aliens want no conversion.
Recently criminal courts blocked the establishment of "islamic party".
Dozens of muslim culture centres have been closed for their ties with the extremist community at large.
Bonanza-mongers are in deep shock.
A televised debated about the islamic party had domestic politicians (from left to right) turning from the meek, sissy christian approach of understanding to red anger and flaming accusations, as much as they understood aliens aren't going to vote either of those blowhards and the shams they stand for.
A televised debate saw muslim women (dressed with burka) score points against a team of domestic theologians & snake oil vendors. Women wanted to "prove" the bible makes room for -and even prescribes- infibulation, stoning of adulterous women, etc. Domestic clowns turned red, blue, yellow...they tried to point out how you can't take this seriously; that literally, and how the whole thing is sort of fairy tale.
Meanwhile, such sham principles are routinely advertised and used by aliens to gain access and impunity.

China and other countries just increased their economic potential. Discourses about Europe winning the rat race with the help of alien scum turned out to be mere rhetoric like Belle Epoque french rhetorics about how France will conquer the world drafting its african subjects.
Europe is much poorer. In Italy 15 to 20% (and raising ) households are below poverty levels according to massaged official numbers; to make it to the official level, one must be REALLY poor.
You have STAGGERING indebtedness, more & more with shady financial institutions (remember the 1990s financial credit crack in Albania? ).
Used car salesmen and basement owners made profits at the expense of aliens, but that is it.
Many unscrupulous vanity businessmen thought to bring back the good old cotton days, but we are not Tennessee in the 1840s.
Aliens are more conscious of their "rights" than any uncle Salvatore ever was in the 1890s.
Besides, you just can't beat China, or Vietnam, or Pakistan with domestic costs, no matter how you scramble this egg.
Domestic business foreclose on a daily basis.
State increases mandatory welfare contribution: it used to take 35 years of contribution into welfare schemes to get retirement; new laws brought that up to 42-45 years. Minimum retirement age increased 5 years, with more increases being debated. Laws are proposed to set a upper limit to retirement annuity to 40-50% of last wage or contribution mean ( hint: not so long ago it used to be upto 85-90% of last wage ).
Numbers talk about 2-3 to 6+ millions aliens in Italy. Most detailed statistics from cities & villages claim about 10% alien population.
No positive impact whatsoever, but crime soaring.
They aren't paying for my retirement.
In some cities mayors proposed (hear this!) to BUILD WALLS LIKE THE BERLIN WALL to "limit" the districts taken up by vicious alien scum selling dope and peddling crime.

ham
05-28-2007, 06:48 AM
the problem is there: the flood of vicious alien scum exists.
Vicious because of the crime they bring, support and pimp.
Scum because (as official statements from many of their governments show) many (most?) of them served jail time at home, and no, it wasn't for "free speech" reasons.
But how did the problem start?
Why did the west make hundreds thousands civilians die as a result of the Irak embargo etc, but vicious alien scum is not stopped at borders?

Well, here you had plenty of bonanza-mongers. They said (past tense) how alien scum (well, you can't expect they send you their Von Brauns or dr.Barnaard, do you? ) would "pay for our retirements" and "take up necessary jobs we no longer are interested in"...much like grand-grandfather Carmelo emigrating from Sicily to USA in the 1890s.
Obviously those talking like that never had relatives who emigrated or worked abroad, but when grand-grandfather Carmelo emigrated, he had no "safety net": either he became productive, or he would starve to death. The maximum one had were "mutual societies" among immigrants.
Today alien scum is chaperoned to hospitals, gets free annuities...all for the asking.
Productivity? Ah, that's a bourgeois concept...we have Karl Marx here...give them time for ****'s sake!
That has a cost society starts paying NOW, hoping that one day alien scum ( whom you see sleepwalking on the streets at any hour ) might get a job...by then you get alien scum and 13 relatives of them, so costs just skyrocket...none is using a calculator for this.

Emigration is when you are wanted or not wanted home.

There are domestic accomplices: i still remember clergymen in their carnival outfit proclaiming how aliens would eventually convert to our profoud, rich catholic tradition.
You get ten churches that close down for every new Mosque.
Bad news: Mosques open up because someone needs their services; churches close down because NONE needs theirs. In England churchgoing decreased from 20-something percent to about seven percent in the last 20 years.
So much for the "conversion".
Aliens want no jew as god, whether it be Karl Marx or Jesus.
Besides flaming display of contempt on their side towards christianity, aliens want no conversion.
Recently criminal courts blocked the establishment of "islamic party".
Dozens of muslim culture centres have been closed for their ties with the extremist community at large.
Bonanza-mongers are in deep shock.
A televised debated about the islamic party had domestic politicians (from left to right) turning from the meek, sissy christian approach of understanding to red anger and flaming accusations, as much as they understood aliens aren't going to vote either of those blowhards and the shams they stand for.
A televised debate saw muslim women (dressed with burka) score points against a team of domestic theologians & snake oil vendors. Women wanted to "prove" the bible makes room for -and even prescribes- infibulation, stoning of adulterous women, etc. Domestic clowns turned red, blue, yellow...they tried to point out how you can't take this seriously; that literally, and how the whole thing is sort of fairy tale.
Meanwhile, such sham principles are routinely advertised and used by aliens to gain access and impunity.

China and other countries just increased their economic potential. Discourses about Europe winning the rat race with the help of alien scum turned out to be mere rhetoric like Belle Epoque french rhetorics about how France will conquer the world drafting its african subjects.
Europe is much poorer. In Italy 15 to 20% (and raising ) households are below poverty levels according to massaged official numbers; to make it to the official level, one must be REALLY poor.
You have STAGGERING indebtedness, more & more with shady financial institutions (remember the 1990s financial credit crack in Albania? ).
Used car salesmen and basement owners made profits at the expense of aliens, but that is it.
Many unscrupulous vanity businessmen thought to bring back the good old cotton days, but we are not Tennessee in the 1840s.
Aliens are more conscious of their "rights" than any uncle Salvatore ever was in the 1890s.
Besides, you just can't beat China, or Vietnam, or Pakistan with domestic costs, no matter how you scramble this egg.
Domestic business foreclose on a daily basis.
State increases mandatory welfare contribution: it used to take 35 years of contribution into welfare schemes to get retirement; new laws brought that up to 42-45 years. Minimum retirement age increased 5 years, with more increases being debated. Laws are proposed to set a upper limit to retirement annuity to 40-50% of last wage or contribution mean ( hint: not so long ago it used to be upto 85-90% of last wage ).
Numbers talk about 2-3 to 6+ millions aliens in Italy. Most detailed statistics from cities & villages claim about 10% alien population.
No positive impact whatsoever, but crime soaring.
They aren't paying for my retirement.
In some cities mayors proposed (hear this!) to BUILD WALLS LIKE THE BERLIN WALL to "limit" the districts taken up by vicious alien scum selling dope and peddling crime.

cmiia
05-28-2007, 08:18 PM
You are obviously under considerable strain since you feel inclined to lower yourself to insults. Sorry, but I'll let your efforts speak for themselves.

You claim to be the Journalist and therefore youshould be keenly aware of the responsibilities of being a journalist.

It is a journalists responsibility to check and verify the information he quotes as fact. What you post as sources may/may not be fine however YOU have not claimed to have verified to be true and accurate the content of each source. You are merely using other opinions as your own.

It is not they who are participating in this forum.....it is YOU.

I have never claimed as you have, to be a journalist. You still provide no evidence to show that you are in fact a professioinal journalist eligible for full membership to your local/regional authority.

cmiia
05-28-2007, 08:18 PM
You are obviously under considerable strain since you feel inclined to lower yourself to insults. Sorry, but I'll let your efforts speak for themselves.

You claim to be the Journalist and therefore youshould be keenly aware of the responsibilities of being a journalist.

It is a journalists responsibility to check and verify the information he quotes as fact. What you post as sources may/may not be fine however YOU have not claimed to have verified to be true and accurate the content of each source. You are merely using other opinions as your own.

It is not they who are participating in this forum.....it is YOU.

I have never claimed as you have, to be a journalist. You still provide no evidence to show that you are in fact a professioinal journalist eligible for full membership to your local/regional authority.

cooldadman
05-29-2007, 02:25 AM
"eligible for membership in local or regional authority?"

Where the heck do you live? Fortunately America is not a communist country and the government does not get a say in my credentials. My work, whether good or bad, is accepted or rejected by the organizations who find it necessary to employ me and the listeners to whatever those organizations find fit to broadcast or print.

Media assignments in the FSU were, and still are, established under the same protocols as diplomats. (I lay no claim to being a diplomat. Only the process of foreign accreditation is similar.) The news organizatons themselves are accredited and then those organizations may assign journalists as they see fit. This is the procedure around most of the world.

I've said it before and will say it again, I simply have no reason to prove to you that I am James Bond or Bill Clinton or anyone else. (I'm none of the above.) I didn't ask for you to give your personal info in order to have an opinion or to post some information of which you have knowledge. I will not reveal mine either. Accept it bach. Grow up and get on with life.

cooldadman
05-29-2007, 02:25 AM
"eligible for membership in local or regional authority?"

Where the heck do you live? Fortunately America is not a communist country and the government does not get a say in my credentials. My work, whether good or bad, is accepted or rejected by the organizations who find it necessary to employ me and the listeners to whatever those organizations find fit to broadcast or print.

Media assignments in the FSU were, and still are, established under the same protocols as diplomats. (I lay no claim to being a diplomat. Only the process of foreign accreditation is similar.) The news organizatons themselves are accredited and then those organizations may assign journalists as they see fit. This is the procedure around most of the world.

I've said it before and will say it again, I simply have no reason to prove to you that I am James Bond or Bill Clinton or anyone else. (I'm none of the above.) I didn't ask for you to give your personal info in order to have an opinion or to post some information of which you have knowledge. I will not reveal mine either. Accept it bach. Grow up and get on with life.

cooldadman
05-29-2007, 02:54 AM
Bach: Insults? Better read your own posts.

As so personally checking each and every source listed, I'm not in the habit of questioning the fine professionals at the BBC. Nor have I swam into the hornets nest of pro-Islam media group to see if they are telling the truth either. I don't need to. My last flight to Amsterdam already gave me visual re-confirmation of what I had already observed on previous trips there and other destinations. You don't need the BBC to point out the obvious.

Just ask your buddy Ham. I think he already gave a fair accurate description of the problem as he sees it earlier today on this forum. Are you questioning him too?

Okay, you and I are going to call a truce. I'm going to play on your team now. Yep, I'm painting your name on my jersey as we speak.

Regarding the reference to outside stories or sources, you said: "It is not they who are participating in this forum.....it is YOU."

Got it babe, I'm with ya.

Next time someone else brings up a story of anyone else being scammed, etc, if they have not done a full and complete investigation (apparently with the local and regional authorities no less), together we will jump all over them! Deal?! I'm on your team now baby. Let's rock.

cooldadman
05-29-2007, 02:54 AM
Bach: Insults? Better read your own posts.

As so personally checking each and every source listed, I'm not in the habit of questioning the fine professionals at the BBC. Nor have I swam into the hornets nest of pro-Islam media group to see if they are telling the truth either. I don't need to. My last flight to Amsterdam already gave me visual re-confirmation of what I had already observed on previous trips there and other destinations. You don't need the BBC to point out the obvious.

Just ask your buddy Ham. I think he already gave a fair accurate description of the problem as he sees it earlier today on this forum. Are you questioning him too?

Okay, you and I are going to call a truce. I'm going to play on your team now. Yep, I'm painting your name on my jersey as we speak.

Regarding the reference to outside stories or sources, you said: "It is not they who are participating in this forum.....it is YOU."

Got it babe, I'm with ya.

Next time someone else brings up a story of anyone else being scammed, etc, if they have not done a full and complete investigation (apparently with the local and regional authorities no less), together we will jump all over them! Deal?! I'm on your team now baby. Let's rock.

cmiia
05-29-2007, 03:18 AM
[quote]Originally posted by cooldadman
I've said it before and will say it again, I simply have no reason to prove to you that I am James Bond or Bill Clinton or anyone else. (I'm none of the above.)

Who said anything aboyt Bond, Clinton, etc?.

However coming to this forum, telling us you are a journalist who has compiled an extensive collection of personal writings on Russian Life and culture but then being unwilling or more likely unable to produce such material when requested remains highly suspect.

You have made those claims but REFUSE to back them with evidence. SnakeOil salesman comes to mind.



Why would it be necessary for me to provide such information in order to have an opinion?. Unlike yourself, I MAKE NO CLAIMS regarding qualification or expertise on the topic under discussion.

Again you resort to insults. It seems you have found yourself in a corner and know nno other way of extricating yourself. It is yourself that is in need of maturing, not I.

cmiia
05-29-2007, 03:18 AM
[quote]Originally posted by cooldadman
I've said it before and will say it again, I simply have no reason to prove to you that I am James Bond or Bill Clinton or anyone else. (I'm none of the above.)

Who said anything aboyt Bond, Clinton, etc?.

However coming to this forum, telling us you are a journalist who has compiled an extensive collection of personal writings on Russian Life and culture but then being unwilling or more likely unable to produce such material when requested remains highly suspect.

You have made those claims but REFUSE to back them with evidence. SnakeOil salesman comes to mind.



Why would it be necessary for me to provide such information in order to have an opinion?. Unlike yourself, I MAKE NO CLAIMS regarding qualification or expertise on the topic under discussion.

Again you resort to insults. It seems you have found yourself in a corner and know nno other way of extricating yourself. It is yourself that is in need of maturing, not I.

waterwolf
05-29-2007, 03:21 AM
[}:)]Here you are at last! You all deserve 10 Godwin points.

waterwolf
05-29-2007, 03:21 AM
[}:)]Here you are at last! You all deserve 10 Godwin points.

cmiia
05-29-2007, 03:26 AM
Truce it is.

cmiia
05-29-2007, 03:26 AM
Truce it is.

Jo Blo
05-29-2007, 06:37 AM
quote:Originally posted by bach1685

I am not Italian. Not sure where that came from.

I am well aware of some of the 'unrest' in Paris and other places. Sure, the media did a great job in pointing out the violence but chose to ignore the isolation and poverty that lead to such outbursts. That part of the story was of no interest.

As to ytour 'demographic changes' you make such an assertion based on a few news reports?. What kind of 'journalist" are you?. I mean what research have you PERSONALLY conducted to make such statements??.

Your comment about the Italian Jews was totally inappropriate and offensive. So you are saying EVERY Italian was a supporter of Mussolini and Antisemitism??.Where are the Italian versions of Auschwitz, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka and Madjanek?. They were in the so called General Government of Nazi controlled Poland.

Why is it the German population GENERALLY did so little to protest against the Nazi Regime (an exception would be the protests against arresting Bishops who spoke out publicly against the Euthanasia Programmes in the PreWar years.)

Wasn't it the Italians who strung Mussolini up by the feet in Milan along with his Mistress??. The King of Italy who dismissed Mussolini?.

When did the German people show similar courage??.

The Americans knew about the existence of Auschwitz long before it was Liberated by the Red Army. They could have destroyed the railway to Birkenau but decided it wasn't a priority. They had even photographed the camp in flyovers.

The British turned fleeing Jewish refugees back from Palestine during the Holocaust. Britain being more concerned with the stability of its Empire.

Do you remember Rodney King??. That was a hell of a lot more recent than the 1940's my friend.
The reason why the German people objected so little was because of the dreaded 'weimar republic'in the 1930's where people suffered terrible economic conditions and hardship, they gave Hitler a chance simply because he offered something different, in their view at the time , it could not be worse than the 'weimar republic' of the past eight years , and yes Benito Mussolini and his wife/girlfriend were hung upside down in Milan, and dont forget about Bergen-Belsen, and i remember Rodney King bashing (by numerous , gutless cops, who got their facts wrong)it was shameful and disgusting..Jo Blo

Jo Blo
05-29-2007, 06:37 AM
quote:Originally posted by bach1685

I am not Italian. Not sure where that came from.

I am well aware of some of the 'unrest' in Paris and other places. Sure, the media did a great job in pointing out the violence but chose to ignore the isolation and poverty that lead to such outbursts. That part of the story was of no interest.

As to ytour 'demographic changes' you make such an assertion based on a few news reports?. What kind of 'journalist" are you?. I mean what research have you PERSONALLY conducted to make such statements??.

Your comment about the Italian Jews was totally inappropriate and offensive. So you are saying EVERY Italian was a supporter of Mussolini and Antisemitism??.Where are the Italian versions of Auschwitz, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka and Madjanek?. They were in the so called General Government of Nazi controlled Poland.

Why is it the German population GENERALLY did so little to protest against the Nazi Regime (an exception would be the protests against arresting Bishops who spoke out publicly against the Euthanasia Programmes in the PreWar years.)

Wasn't it the Italians who strung Mussolini up by the feet in Milan along with his Mistress??. The King of Italy who dismissed Mussolini?.

When did the German people show similar courage??.

The Americans knew about the existence of Auschwitz long before it was Liberated by the Red Army. They could have destroyed the railway to Birkenau but decided it wasn't a priority. They had even photographed the camp in flyovers.

The British turned fleeing Jewish refugees back from Palestine during the Holocaust. Britain being more concerned with the stability of its Empire.

Do you remember Rodney King??. That was a hell of a lot more recent than the 1940's my friend.
The reason why the German people objected so little was because of the dreaded 'weimar republic'in the 1930's where people suffered terrible economic conditions and hardship, they gave Hitler a chance simply because he offered something different, in their view at the time , it could not be worse than the 'weimar republic' of the past eight years , and yes Benito Mussolini and his wife/girlfriend were hung upside down in Milan, and dont forget about Bergen-Belsen, and i remember Rodney King bashing (by numerous , gutless cops, who got their facts wrong)it was shameful and disgusting..Jo Blo

ham
05-29-2007, 08:23 AM
quote:The reason why the German people objected so little

Face it.
In recent times the Bush-Blair comedy duo LIED (and admitted to it although casting blame upon "misinformed" secret services ) about "mass destruction weapons", nowhere to be found even by repeated UN inspections led by americans.
The lie was eventually uncovered and they themselves admitted to it.
The lie...or massaged truth or half-truth or whatever...was used to invade other countries (Irak, Afghanistan etc ).
Hitler used the same method.
But i see no rebellion against the comedy duo: did you?
Of course you have "the other party" pushing an antiwar agenda, same as there were struggles among fascists too.
But i see no rebellion.

ham
05-29-2007, 08:23 AM
quote:The reason why the German people objected so little

Face it.
In recent times the Bush-Blair comedy duo LIED (and admitted to it although casting blame upon "misinformed" secret services ) about "mass destruction weapons", nowhere to be found even by repeated UN inspections led by americans.
The lie was eventually uncovered and they themselves admitted to it.
The lie...or massaged truth or half-truth or whatever...was used to invade other countries (Irak, Afghanistan etc ).
Hitler used the same method.
But i see no rebellion against the comedy duo: did you?
Of course you have "the other party" pushing an antiwar agenda, same as there were struggles among fascists too.
But i see no rebellion.

thatcrazy
05-31-2007, 10:27 AM
Nothing wrong if the relatives want to come over for a short vacation.

than go back home....

Lets bomb Iran.

The only time there would be a rebellion in the USA is when the government takes away American Idol.

thatcrazy
05-31-2007, 10:27 AM
Nothing wrong if the relatives want to come over for a short vacation.

than go back home....

Lets bomb Iran.

The only time there would be a rebellion in the USA is when the government takes away American Idol.