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ham
06-07-2007, 07:22 AM
quote:the courtly code did not serve exclusively for making verses; it claimed to be applicable to life, or at least to conversation. -...- we find an instance of this [autobriographical confession] in the too lenghty narrative of a love-affair of an old poet with and a young girl, which Guillaume de Machaut has given us in le LIVRE DU VOIR-DIT. He was approaching his sixtieth year, when Peronnelle d'Armenti?res, of a noble family in champagne, sent him, [u]in 1362</u>, her first rondel,in which she offered her heart to the celebrated poet, whom she did not know, and invited him to enter with her into a poetical love correspondence. The poor poet, sickly, blind of one eye, gouty, at once kindles -...-. Peronnelle is proud of her literary connexion; she does not make a secret of it, and begs the poet to put in writing the true story of their love -...-. the young girl may permit herself extraordinary liberties, providing everything takes place in the presence of third parties -...-. at the end of the trip she -...- [u]gives him the golden key of her honour, to guard that treasure, or what was left of it</u>. The poet's good fortune ended there. He did not see her again -...- because of a marriage, probably. he resolves to go on loving and revering her till the end of his days -...-. as regards the tone of the love-affair of machauet et peronnelle, it is soft, cloying, somewhat morbid. The expression of their feelings remains enveloped in arguments and allegories. But there is something touching in the tenderness of the old poet, which prevents him from seeing that 'toute-belle', after all, has but played with him and with her own heart -JOHAN HUIZINGA, THE WANING OF THE MIDDLE AGES, Penguin Books, 1972 pp.118-20-

well, nearly SEVEN CENTURIES later things look pretty much the same, isn't it?
With minor adjustements, such as "domestic boyfriend" instead of "marriage".
And i liked the sarcastic mention of " her honour, to guard that treasure, or what was left of it"...hell, how many FSUWs wrote me they were virgins saving themselves for me? Most men will end up in no better position than Machaut, with the caveat Machaut's girl was wealthy & her mom needed no new liver & she needed no green card herself...

cmiia
06-07-2007, 10:40 PM
SO WHAT??.

Who really cares about the middle ages??.

What's next......an overblown example from the old testament?.

cmiia
06-07-2007, 10:40 PM
SO WHAT??.

Who really cares about the middle ages??.

What's next......an overblown example from the old testament?.

ham
06-08-2007, 05:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by bach1685

SO WHAT??.

Who really cares about the middle ages??.

What's next......an overblown example from the old testament?.




i see you're extremely busy, too, dear stalin.

ham
06-08-2007, 05:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by bach1685

SO WHAT??.

Who really cares about the middle ages??.

What's next......an overblown example from the old testament?.




i see you're extremely busy, too, dear stalin.

cmiia
06-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Well busy enough not to care about middle ages dating customs.

cmiia
06-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Well busy enough not to care about middle ages dating customs.