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swazzie88
12-26-2007, 05:51 PM
I thought I would start this thread because I joined rBrides.com and almost everyone that I have contacted via their site, or have contacted me themselves, have been scammers. I don't see how such rampant activity could be going on there without the complicity of their admins.

I had this huge list of women that I was going to see on a trip to the Ukraine next summer, well I was going to narrow the field down anyway, but now EVERYONE save three or four, has turned up here. The first few were a shock, now I have come to expect it. It's turning into a detective game now and when I discover their REAL identity I send it to them.

It pisses me off man. I thought I could do things myself without having to go through though those bloodsuckers "Anastasia". But it looks like they are the only people I can really trust at this point. In any event, I will be posting a couple of dozen addendums to the exsisting database in the next week or so.

If you have had any dealings with rbrides.com I'd be curious to hear about it.

Seeya,

Swazzie

scamfree
12-29-2007, 10:13 AM
I have profile on Rbrides,what a waste of time and money,over 3 months i have about 70 messages from girls aged between 24 to 40 mind you all attractive,at first i thought this is great, then the trend sets in,i have never had so many girls fall in love with me, if you have time and patience to reply to them all i garantee they are all scammers,i could fill this site if i had the time,mind you i have put a few here,in the end i just stuff with them for somthing to do,mind you dont they get pissed when you send them on wild goose chase to western union,
my opinion of Rbrides,it is a hwy for these criminals to peddle thier crimes and it would not suprise me if rbrides are involved in this

Lerat
01-06-2008, 01:01 AM
I have registered on rBrides (luckily only for 1 month) and I agree with you that at least 95% of the female members are scammers. The first one that contacted me sent her endless love already in the second letter (not even visiting my profile page). When she started talking about a meeting I reply that I would liked to visits her in her country.
She stopped writing.
Later I found her in another forum were they have info on Russian Scammers

Out of curiosity I tried to trace back the origin of the emails sent by rBrides and the IP returns a location in Michigan (USA), so I really wonder who are the people running this dating site.

Cheers, Lerat.

swazzie88
01-06-2008, 05:02 AM
I sent this message to rBrides today. I will keep you posted:

"So far I have identified FIFTEEN known scammers
operating off of your site. And those are just the
ones who have contacted me. There are many others who
I recognize from doing so many background checks. At
least one uses a photo of a known porn actress. The
people I have identified as scammers (Some with
multiple, multiple profiles on your site under
different names) I have informed that they turned-up
as known scammers in my background checks of them and
not to contact me again. The most recent, sent me a
picture with a smile flipping me off entitled
"specially_for_you.jpg". So my question to you is: If
I provide evidence that you have so many known
scammers operating off of your site will you 1.)
Delete their profiles? and 2.) Are you willing to
issue a full or partial refund for the time I have
invested in identifying scammers on your site? I am
saving this message to you and your reply (if any) for
deposit on the scammer database. If you do not reply,
I will report that. If you just delete my profile I
will report that. I am extremely curious to see how
you handle this. DATED: 01-05-08 to rbrides helpdesk."

swazzie88
01-06-2008, 06:41 AM
HEY LERAT! LOOKS LIKE THESE GUYS MIGHT BE OPERATING OUT OF ARIZONA. IF ANYONE WITH BETTER WHOIS/LOOKUP SKILLS WANTS TO GO FURTHER I'D APPRECIATE IT. I'M GOING TO CALL THEM ON MONDAY AND ASK FOR MY MONEY BACK. IF NOT, AND I CAN VERIFY THEY ARE AN ARIZONA BUSINESS, I AM GOING TO CONTACT THE ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL. (sorry for the caps)


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Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: RBRIDES.COM
Created on: 19-May-03
Expires on: 19-May-09
Last Updated on: 12-Oct-07

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration RBRIDES.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration RBRIDES.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
NS4.RBRIDES.COM
NS5.RBRIDES.COM


The previous information has been obtained either directly from the registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions. Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness.

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Current Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
IP Address: 209.59.173.173 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-NEW YORK-NEW YORK
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache 1
Lock Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Web Site Status: Active
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: RBrides.com - Meet Your Russian Bride Here! Russian Women Dating, Personals, Singles, Sexy Brides.
Secure: No
E-commerce: Yes
Traffic Ranking: 4
Data as of: 21-Aug-2006

swazzie88
01-06-2008, 08:20 AM
I went to domainsbyproxy.com and they had these links about IF YOU ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT CLICK HERE, and FOR SOPOENA INFRMATION CLICK HERE.

To have them do their "research" costs a minimum of 75 bucks an hour. Then they will probibly bill you for a couple of hours. And unless you can prove the matter is an "emergency" it gives rBrides the opportunity to quash the sopoena, thus preserving their anonymity to continue to scam! So just the way it is worded is a deterrent to contact the rBrides assholes to get your money back (which you wouldn't get anyway). In my oppinion, domainsbyproxy is just a front for scammers to hide behind.

These assholes are OBVIOSLY criminals. Otherwise why would thet have **** like this:

==============


Domains by Proxy
Civil Subpoena Policy

Domains by Proxy Civil Subpoena Policy
Domains by Proxy 's Privacy Policy prohibits the release of customer or account information without express permission from the customer, except when required by law, to conform to the edicts of the law, or to comply with legal process properly served on Domains by Proxy or one of its affiliates.

If you seek the identity or account information of a Domains by Proxy customer in connection with a civil legal matter, you must fax, mail, or serve Domains by Proxy with a valid subpoena.

Submission of Subpoenas

Domains by Proxy is headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona and all civil subpoenas should be served at that location or mailed to:

Compliance Department
Domains by Proxy
15111 N. Hayden Road
Suite 160
PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona
85260


Alternatively, the civil subpoena can be faxed to:

480.624.2546
Attn: Compliance Department
Notice to Customer and Response Time


Upon the receipt of a valid civil subpoena, Domains by Proxy will promptly notify the customer whose information is sought via e-mail or U.S. mail. If the circumstances do not amount to an emergency, Domains by Proxy will not immediately produce the customer information sought by the subpoena and will provide the customer an opportunity to move to quash the subpoena in court. Domains by Proxy reserves the right to charge an administration fee to the customer by charging the Payment Method the customer has on file with Domains by Proxy .

Fees for Subpoena Compliance

Domains by Proxy will charge the person or entity submitting the civil subpoena for costs associated with subpoena compliance. Payment must be made within thirty (30) days from the date of receipt of the Domains by Proxy invoice. Checks should be made out to Domains by Proxy

Domains by Proxy 's subpoena compliance costs are as follows:

Research - $75.00/hour
Federal Express - Cost as Billed
Copies - $.25/page
Policies Regarding E-mail

Domains by Proxy will not produce the content of e-mail, as the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. ?2701 et seq., prohibits an electronic communications service provider from producing the contents of electronic communications, even pursuant to subpoena or court order, except in limited circumstances. Domains by Proxy 's e-mail servers do not retain deleted or sent e-mail. However, deleted e-mail may be recoverable from back-up servers for a period of up to thirty (30) days.

Domains by Proxy reserves the right to request a copy of the complaint and any supporting documentation that demonstrates how the Domains by Proxy e-mail address is related to the pending litigation and the underlying subpoena.


Revised: 8/25/05
Copyright ? 2005 All Rights Reserved.




Domains by Proxy
Domains by Proxy Criminal Subpoena Policy
Domains by Proxy 's Privacy Policy prohibits the release of customer or account information without express permission from the customer, except when required by law, to conform to the edicts of the law, or to comply with legal process properly served on Domains by Proxy or one of its affiliates.

If you seek the identity or account information of a Domains by Proxy customer in connection with a criminal matter, and you are a member of the law enforcement community, you must fax, mail, or serve Domains by Proxy with a valid subpoena.

Submission of Subpoenas

Domains by Proxy is headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona and all civil subpoenas should be served at that location or mailed to:

Compliance Department
Domains by Proxy
15111 N. Hayden Road
Suite 160
PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona
85260


Alternatively, the criminal subpoena can be faxed to:

480.624.2546
Attn: Compliance Department
Notice to Customer and Response Time


p] Domains by Proxy will not produce the content of e-mail, as the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. ?2701 et seq., prohibits an electronic communications service provider from producing the contents of electronic communications, even pursuant to subpoena or court order, except in limited circumstances. Domains by Proxy 's e-mail servers do not retain deleted or sent e-mail. However, deleted e-mail may be recoverable from back-up servers for a period of up to thirty (30) days.

Domains by Proxy reserves the right to request a copy of the complaint and any supporting documentation that demonstrates how the Domains by Proxy e-mail address is related to the pending investigation and the underlying subpoena.


Revised: 8/25/05
Copyright ? 2005 All Rights Reserved.

swazzie88
01-06-2008, 09:43 AM
According to the Arizona Attorney Genernal's website:
( http://www.azag.gov/consumer/ ) rbrides and its' front company meet the definitition of consumer fraud. I am obviously not going to spend hundreds of bucks just to get 30 back. However, it is my hope that the good people of Stop-Scammers.com will take a hard look at the information I have uncovered and place rBrides on the same blacklist as the fake "translation agencies" and fake "tourist firms". (NOTE: after checking the site I could not find any lists as such so I will start a thread with at least one "translation service" called easy speech) Or at least place this information in their newsletter.

==================================================

Consumer fraud, as defined by Arizona law, is any deception, false statement, false pretense, false promise or misrepresentation made by a seller or advertiser of merchandise. In addition, concealment, suppression or failure to disclose a material fact may be consumer fraud if it is done with the intent that others rely on such concealment, suppression or nondisclosure. Merchandise may include any objects, wares, goods, commodities, intangibles, real estate or services.

Lerat
01-06-2008, 10:43 AM
Hi Swazzie,

I understand how you feel and I am sorry about that.
I guess there is nothing to do rather than prevent future usage as much as possible.
I live in Western Europe and I have come across various of these dating sites, specialized on Eastern Europe countries, with a nice, pretty and professional presentation and a cheap registration fee. It looks like many of them are based and operate from the US.

Apparently speculating on peoples? emotions has become a lucrative business.

I agree on your black list of sites that allow scammers to present.

Cheers, Lerat.

swazzie88
01-06-2008, 02:49 PM
Hey Lerat,

So I got another bright idea. I wondered if they had a banner swap on rBrides with anyone else. They did. Another Russian dating site called site2date.com . And who do you guess the site was registered under?.......

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SITE2DATE.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BIGZUR.COM
NS2.BIGZUR.COM

==================================

And what is bigzur.com? Another Russian dating site. Who's site blares:

Testimonials:
I was searching for a beautiful Russian woman to be my travel companion. I found Evgenia on Site2Date. She is a charming well-bred Russian woman, she speaks English fluently and we have great time together! We have already been to several European countries and we go on with our friendship. Thanks to Site2Date for my new good Russian woman! Robert Simemon (London, UK)

=========================================

So then I wondered....What will a google search of this Robert simemon fello turn-up? OH WOW! He also met his wife on: free-dating-online-guide.com

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Who is free-dating-online-guide.com registered to?....

domain: free-dating-online-guide.com
owner: Anders Pedersen
organization: VirtualSolutions ApS
email: webmaster@virtualsolutions.dk
address: Skovlytoften 14, 1
city: Holte
postal-code: 2840
country: DK
phone: +45.50502226
admin-c: CCOM-57483 hostmaster@b-one.nu
tech-c: CCOM-57483 hostmaster@b-one.nu
billing-c: CCOM-57483 hostmaster@b-one.nu
nserver: ns1.b-one.nu
nserver: ns2.b-one.nu
nserver: ns3.b-one.nu
status: lock
created: 2006-01-12 14:48:21 UTC
modified: 2007-12-21 14:12:11 UTC
expires: 2009-01-12 14:47:13 UTC

contact-hdl: CCOM-57483
person: Hostmaster Funktionen
organization: One.com A/S
email: hostmaster@b-one.nu
address: Kalvebod Brygge 45
city: Copenhagen V
postal-code: 1560
country: DK
phone: +45.46907100

=========================================

Is this the guy? Or did I take a wrong turn? Someone is being hidden and protected, and the connect-the-dots leads to this guy. I want to hear critiques and suggestions on how to unmask this web of liars.

Swazzie

PeopleSmoks
01-06-2008, 04:52 PM
Hey guys! Intereseting little thread you have. RBrides and Site2Date are nothing new and are discussed in several other forum threads, although, swazzie has done a bit more digging than anyone else has bothered to.

As far as getting scammer profiles removed... Hahahahahahahahaha!!! Check out "Liliya Ahmadulina" in the scam reports area. It took 3 or 4 letters to the RBrides admin to get her off there, and that only lasted a few days before she was back with a new name and city.

The scammers go from one site to the other regularly changing their info. Sometimes you can even find the same girl on both sites with different info, or in the case of "Liliya Ahmadulina", she had two profiles running on RBrides at the same time using different info!

quote:Apparently speculating on peoples? emotions has become a lucrative business.
Lerat, you are obviously a newbie! This crap has been going on for years and really became big business after the break up of the USSR. It's a way of life, and a very good living for some.[V]

Train returns

swazzie88
01-06-2008, 05:27 PM
It appears that "Domains By Proxy" is also hiding further Russian wife / dating sites. THIS GODDAMN SCAM IS SO HUGE!! In addition to the previous ones, and I'm sure there are more out there:


1.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: DREAM-MARRIAGE.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS43.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS44.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


2.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: YOURBRIDE.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EV1SERVERS.NET
NS2.EV1SERVERS.NET


3.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: LOVERSPLANET.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.LOVERSPLANET.COM
NS2.LOVERSPLANET.COM


4.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: INTERNATIONALMARRIAGEBROKERS.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BIZLAND.COM
NS2.BIZLAND.COM


5.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: INTIMATELOVERS.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BIZLAND.COM
NS2.BIZLAND.COM



6.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: THERUSSIANWIFE.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


7.)
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: , Inc. ()
Domain Name: ALICEAGENCY.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS37.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS38.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

PeopleSmoks
01-06-2008, 10:14 PM
swazzie, you must feel like Woodward and Bernstein after they uncovered the Watergate cover up! Sorry to tell you, but that FSU cutie you were writing to, may just as well be a fat, bald, sweaty guy with bad BO named Boris, who happens to have some photos of a girl he paid for them or some pics he stole off the net.


Train returns

swede
01-07-2008, 12:53 AM
I'll join the chorus of praise for swazzie's work. Though I'm an imbecile with computers and know next to nothing about agencies
(in the "good old days" you COULD find real women on the free sites),
I can still see this as a competent job.

I can only add a bit of information to PeopleSmok's contribution. While I was engaged to, and living together with my UA "fiance?", she had four active profiles going at the same time. Three of them at the same site. After we broke up, I had them eventually removed, but she would pop up all over the place again with slightly different personal data, like age, hometown etc.

Not being a scammer, but rather a professional dater, she couldn't lie too much, because her clients would meet her in person.

So the value of exposing scammers or agencies lies not only in the individual cases, but also as general warning examples to newcomers on the scene

swede
01-07-2008, 01:16 AM
PS I was born in and lived my first 29 years in Denmark, and I noticed, that amongst your research results, there is a danish company. If you need any help with translation from danish or something else inside my capacity, please tell me.

swazzie88
01-07-2008, 12:39 PM
Hey Swede,

I think what I'm really needing to do is find-out who operates "Domains By Proxy" because it is their service that allows these guys to operate with impunity, and in my oppinion most likely receive a cut from the scams, if not operating them altogether. I mean why would they have this stuff about "criminal sopoenas" on their site? I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. *ANYWHERE*.

I think I may have been grasping at staws with googling "Robert Simenon" although it is iteresting to note that it proves what most of us already basically knew: That the testimonials on these site are total BS. This guy met his wife on two different sites and they have two different names! WOW! You would think that they would take 30 seconds to change the testimonials but I guess they're too busy counting their money. It was the track of SIMENON that led me to the guy in Denmark. And while I suspect he too is a scammer, I don't find any connection between him and "Domains By Proxy".

That's where I'm focusing and I WILL be calling the Arizona Attorney General to discuss this with him and I'll let everyone know what he says.

Swazzie

swazzie88
01-07-2008, 03:08 PM
BOB PARSONS OF GODADDY OWNS DOMAINS BY PROXY!

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Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/09/17/go_daddy_offers_anonymous_domain/

A new sister company of Go Daddy Software Inc is to start offering internet users anonymous domain name registration from today, becoming the first major domain name registrar to do so, Kevin Murphy writes. Go Daddy founder Bob Parsons has set up Domains By Proxy Inc, essentially a Go Daddy reseller that will enter its own contact information, rather than the registrant's, into the Whois database, whenever a registration is made.

The idea is to offer people who wish to publish anonymously online a means to do so without having their home address, email address and telephone number available publicly. The service would be useful equally to people concerned about spam as those that have personal reasons for not connecting their real life with their web site.

"Go Daddy is not withholding registrant information," Parsons told ComputerWire. "Domains By Proxy is purchasing the domain, then giving the customer the full benefits of ownership." The service will likely cost $5 to $10 more than a regular registration with Go Daddy, Parsons said, though pricing had not been confirmed at press time.

He said that registrants enter an agreement that allows them to do anything with a domain they could do if they owned it, including sell or transfer it, but they don't actually own it officially. If registrants do anything bad with the domain, such as provide illegal pornography or send out spam, they lose the benefits of anonymity.

The Internet Corp for Assigned Names and Numbers mandates that all accredited domain registrars provide complete and accurate contact information in all their Whois database entries. This obligation is backed strongly by the intellectual property lobby, which likes to be able to notify people of trademark or copyright infringements online.

According to Parsons, users who sign up for the service still have to abide by ICANN's Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy, which is used to settle disputes over trademarks in domain names. Anonymity can be withdrawn if a trademark infringement occurs, but it was not immediately clear how DBP determines infringement.

In addition, Domains By Proxy may be protected by two layers of removal from the ICANN accreditation contract. First, Go Daddy, which has the contractual relationship with ICANN, is a separate company from DBP. Second, officially it is DBP that "owns" the domain, and therefore must provide its contact details.

"It was not necessary to get ICANN's approval," Parsons said. "There are no violations of ICANN's rules or policy." An ICANN spokesperson agreed that, at first glance, DBP does not appear to be doing anything wrong. ICANN is looking more closely to make sure, the spokesperson said.

The service will have the added benefit for Go Daddy of protecting a portion of its registration base against the predatory tactics of competing registrars. At least three registrars currently stand accused of data mining Whois to find the addresses of their competitors' customers, for the purposes of luring them away.

Users of the service can have email sent to the address in the Whois forwarded to them, and can even have DBP act as a snail-mail proxy, for an additional fee. Parsons said the company has patents pending on the technology behind the service.

PeopleSmoks
01-07-2008, 11:40 PM
swazzie, I think that now your barking up the wrong tree. Domains by proxy sounds like a company that simply sells domain names and may be hard to pin down as a "conspirator" in any wrong doing. It'll be hard enough to prove RBrides did anything wrong, or had any knowlegde of what people put did that profiles on the site. If your heart is in it, go for the little fish first and work your way up to what you think may be the big shark.

Think about it. A guy says, "I want the domain name RBrides.com." Another guy says "Okay, I can set that up for you." How can you prove collussion just because a guy sold a name? We all know RBrides is dirty, but it'll be hard enough just to prove that they had any foreknowledge of what individuals posting profiles on the site were doing once two consenting adults leave their messaging system and go to private e-mails.

See the problem??? I'm sure there are ways to find and prove everything, but what will be the cost??? That's why so many people don't go after the sites. Some go after the individual scammers, but even that get's a bit sticky if you can't go to the country to file a complaint and prosecute. This is why most scammers get away with it and all we can do is exchange information about them.:(

Train returns

swazzie88
01-08-2008, 01:20 AM
Well your point is well taken. However my intent isn't to expose rBrides as a fraud since the informed at least already know that. It is to expose the operators who hide behind this anonymity-service at Domains By Proxy. I know it's really a pointless endeavor, but just to be a thorn in the side of the rBrides dicks would be a little satisfaction. Moreover, if everyone had an I'm just a little guy who can make no difference attitude you wouldn't have seen the recent prosecutions of Match.com and Yahoo Personals by the Federal Government. Those scams came to light from two seperate but equally pissed-off guys on opposite ends of the country. See my post about domestic scammers for the full info on that.

Swazzie

scamfree
01-08-2008, 06:28 AM
I have to praise your work Swazzie,I like your passion to nail Rbrides,I have been following with great intrest.
But i know in a Australia if you aid a criminal to perform a crime you are just as giulty as the criminal,Isnt Rbrides aiding criminals to perform thier crime,for example not deleting known scammers from thier site and supplying an unmonitered site for them to operate in,my book they are as giulty as sin.If they operate out of America arn't they open for possible prosicution???

SCAMFREE

swazzie88
01-08-2008, 12:09 PM
Yah it like that line in Erin Brokovich, "I know it and you know it, but show me the evidence that prooves it". Additionally, as opposed to most countries where you have clear divisions between business, law-enforcement, military and government, in Russia all the lines of distinction are blurred. Everyone works for somebody who knows somebody and they all want to make money. A few years ago the World Bank gave Russia TWELVE BILLION dollars to improve their countries' infrastructure. ALL OF IT was siphoned-off into a thousand dummy companies run by the 13 so-called "Oligarchs".

In any event I just want to be a pest. I know in reality I can't shut them down per se, but if the identity of so and so who runs rBrides were to be publicized through my efforts that might piss him off and that's worth the 30 bucks I lost.

Oh and I changed my profile on rBrides. I am now an eight foot tall, 400 pound lesbian who only likes anal sex. And I borrowed someone's joke I found here saying my job is to expose internet scammers and I want to send you money. Lots and lots of money! They don't even read it! I got another new email from another scammer tonight. Bikini shot of course. Same form letter I've read a hundred times.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.


Swazzie

PeopleSmoks
01-08-2008, 10:40 PM
quote:Yah it like that line in Erin Brokovich, "I know it and you know it, but show me the evidence that prooves it".
BINGO!!! Proving duplicity is the problem. If you lend your car to a friend because he said he's going to the store and he robs the store, are you guilty too? RBrides owns the car, the scammers are driving it, but can you prove Rbrides knew what the scammer was planning? And Domains by proxy is like the guy who sold the car. Including them is really going to be a stretch.

Don't get me wrong, I commend what you want to do. I just want you to have both eyes open before you jump in.

Lesbians sell big! I had a friend of mine write to a b!tch who tried scamming me. Gret looks a bit better than 8' 400lbs though. The scammer wasn't a lesbian when Gret first wrote, but by the third letter was ready to try! Check my little toy site. Pics of the lovely Gret, and several scammers, many from RBrides! http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeycj7u/peoplesmokslives_ To enter the "back room" login is stop-scammers and the password is forums.

Train returns

swazzie88
01-09-2008, 07:54 AM
HAHAHAHA! My first passport scammer now from rBrides! After only two letters (s)he just has to come live with me now. (not a red flag at all) Okay I say, send me a picture of your passport and a flight number. She replies with an incredibly bad photoshop doctored pic of her "passport". Her pic is in black and white, half of her face is in shadow, and you can tell the original had her with her hands behind her neck trying to look sexy. Now all you can see are her wrists because it's cropped. Like that is going to happen....."Hello Mister humorless Russian passport photo guy! I'm here to get my photo taken. Hold on a minute while I strike a sexy pose.....(hands behind neck, tits out)....OKAY! I'm ready!"

I want to string this stupid bitch / guy along just to screw with them. (S)he'll say the flight costs x-ammount. Then I think I'll say the money is on it's way Western Union after I get their phoney name.

WHAAAAA? IT WAN'T THERE?? THOSE WESTERN UNION BASTARDS MUST HAVE STOLE IT!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!


Swazzie

She writes:

Hi my lover Swazzie.
I so am glad that you have written to me. I already was afraid that I
have lost you. Thank God, it has not happened. And we have an opportunity to continue our attitudes. Well, my dear Swazzie, I send you a copy of my passport. In hope that we be fast we can together.
I shall go to agency of travel and there to learn about my arrival to
you. But I need to know from you. At what airport you can meet me??
I shall wait for your letter, yours Oksana.
kiss you.

(From someone going as Oksana / ocharovashka1979@ gmail.com)

PeopleSmoks
01-09-2008, 10:09 AM
Hey swazzie! In your post-it on mysite, you mentioned an Olga. Which Olga was it that you were looking at? Within a week of suggesting we meet and I would fly to Ukraine, "biker" Olga's granny needed money for a operation... "looks a little like Angelina Jolie" Olga had her rent raised and needed money... Olga "on a raft" actually informed me of the Russian tradition for a girl to meet the parents of her beloved first! Even if that meant flying 10,000km to a strange country to do it. I never heard of that tradition. Of course she needed me to send her money for airfare/visa/passport... Olga "the gypsy school teacher" was a translation scam, as was "nude on the beach" Olga.

The one Oxana I can think of is listed on stop-scammers already.



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swazzie88
01-09-2008, 03:52 PM
Hey Smokie,

It was the biker-looking Olga, and I got that exact same photo that was on your site, thanks. Now as my account with rBrides is set to expire, the last holdouts who've I have been telling all along that I do background checks and don't pay for "services", have decided there is nothing to lose and ask for "translation services". One's letters were so messed up I though she was genuine for sure because it looked like she was trying so hard. NOPE. Ruse. Either that or the guy at the other end was drunk.

Now I'm just playing along. SURE! WHERE DO I SEND THE MONEY? CAN I PAY SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE? WOULD THEY GIVE ME A DISCOUNT FOR THAT? I was hoping that perhaps one out of the couple dozen I started with would be real. Not a chance. I won't be posting on here for much longer but will come back in a few months.

Reader! If you have paid money to rBrides, it is lost forever and hopefully you are only out one months charge. If you have already paid them and hope that you might find someone who is "REAL", forget about it. No one, and I mean NO ONE, who you will ever contact through that site is real. Some may have a vagina, but that is about it. I'd say half are stock photos of models with a guy at the other end hoping to hook you into a phoney "translation service", and the other half are probably real chicks, although who does the typing nobody knows.

If you can find a site with some ugly fat chicks, chances are that the ammount of scammers is greatly reduced. No ugly fat chicks on rBrides that's for sure.

Swazzie


PS. They never responded to my letter to them. Big surprise!

PeopleSmoks
01-10-2008, 10:01 AM
Yea, granny got sick less than a month before I was to visit her. She wanted me to send money for granny. I forget her exact city, but it's somewhere around Lugansk.

Ask her who her granny is? swazzie, did you receive this letter too?


Subject: From Olga
Date: 10/11/2007 5:34:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
From: olgauk106@mail.ru

Hello! My name is Olga. I am 22 and I live in small town Novoivanovka
in Ukraine. I was born here on the fifteenth of October. My height is
168 and weight is 48. I have black hair and brown eyes as you can see
on my photos. I live alone now in my flat. I have only a dog. I am
looking for my future husband now. I?d like to tell you about my
interests. I am fond of listening to the music best of all. I like
many types of it. My favourite is pop, rock and romantic music. I
listen to it all my free time and during working too. I am working in
hairdressing salon. I like my job very much. It?s so interesting for
me to make someone?s hair and of course my own too! I also enjoy
reading and watching movies very much. I like adventuring films most
of all and I read romantic books. In general I am very romantic woman
and I?d like my future husband to be romantic like me! I think I am
creative person. I like drawing and singing very much. And my friends
are fond of my pictures and they often ask me to sing our favourite
songs. It?s very pleasant for me to know someone like what I do. I
like to do something new in my flat and in my life in general. I like
all new things, places, people and any events in life. I am fond of
traveling very much but unfortunately I have never been in other
countries besides mine. But I hope I?ll be able to see the whole world
with my future husband. And I hope it will be soon. I like black and
red colors most of all. They are full of passionate like me. Now I?d
like to tell a bit about my character. I am kind and tender but my
heart is full of passionate as I wrote before. I am ready to love and
want to be loved. I can do everything my best for my beloved man. My
dream is to live with my only man and our children in a cosy house. I
am eager to create my family and I just want to be happy! I think when
two people are together they should understand each other and support
in all happiness and troubles. I want my elect to be kind and tender,
to understand and support me, to do all he can for our family, to be
honest with me and don?t look for someone else. I like to spend my
free time with my best friends and family. I don?t live with them last
years so I miss them and we meet not very often. But we live not very
far from each other and almost every weekend I go to see them or they
come to my house. I am always very happy to see them. I didn?t tell
about my family yet! There are four of us. My parents, my brother and
me. My parents are workers. Father is journalist and mother is
bookkeeper. So our family is not rich. My brother is four years older
than me. He is a sportsman, he goes in for basketball. He is very fond
of different competitions. I love my family so much! So that?s all for
today?s letter! If you have any questions to me of course I?ll be glad
to answer all of them! Tell me about your life, your family and your
interests and hobbies. It will be interesting for me! I am waiting for
your reply impatiently! Olga.

I'm thinking damn she'd look good on the back of my Harley!!! And she's definitely not a fat ugly one. 48 kg? Mmmmmmmmmmm! Oh well, SCAMMER!!!!!!

Watch for a scam ring from Kazan. I know DateMeFree is a total scam site, but I have a profile there so I can monitor profiles. I've been contacted by 5 different girls in the past week, all from Kazan, Russia. They are fishing!!!

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swazzie88
01-10-2008, 02:38 PM
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:51:19 +0200
From: irisha20062007@yandex.ru
To: ****************
Subject: for my dove

My love I asked translator to connect with you from my mail box,
I miss you so much..

====================

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:02:13 +0200
From: irisha20062007@yandex.ru
To: ********************

Subject: Translating Company

Dear Sir,
we would like to inform you that if you pay for six month
you will receive discount on $250. In such way the six
month of unlimited correspondence will cost for you
$950.

Hope on future cooperation,
Sincerely yours,
Translating Company

==========================

Well after careful decision I have decided to send them the money because they are going to give me a DISCOUNT. Hahahahaha! Yeah, right. Nothing seems suspicious about this AT ALL! Not even the fact that the company name isn't anything but "translating company". If it were me I'd call it "Superior Multilingual Translation Services, LLC." But these Nigerian / Russian-whoever people are too goddamn stupid for that.

Hey the fake money is on its' way idiots!


Swazzie

swazzie88
01-10-2008, 02:47 PM
I forgot to say that since the "translation Company" only calls itself "Translation Company" and since generic is aparently hip now, this scammer should change her fake name to "WomanWithBoobs123".

HAHAHA!

swazzie88
01-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Oh here's another! This was the one I thought for certain was real. Fing bitch. Funny how her English ability got so good all of a sudden.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:31 +0200
From: "jenyabell" <jenyabell@mail.ru>
To: ********************
Subject: from Jenya


Hello my dearest Swazzie!!!!

Thank you for your letter. I am pleased to know that you want to help
me. I didn't want to hide anything and i really need your financial
help to continue our communication. I don't want to lose connection!
Frankly speaking each time when i receive your letter, my heart is
beating very fast! I like you very much and your letter are full of
energy and good positive emotions! I like you , that's why i asked
you about help, because i can't pay any more for our correspondence.
My dear i will write you today all information and you will decide
how you can help me and how much money to send, because it depends
on you!! I really hope that we will continue!! I will come to the firm
every day to find your letter. Please don't go away, please stay with me.

You know i use the service of the translator firm. They provide different kinds of service. If you want to help me with the payment for the correspondence, we can use the service per each letter. One letter costs $5.

They also provide unlimited service of the correspondence :

One month unlimited correspondence costs -$200
Two month unlimited correspondence costs -$350
It means that we can write unlimited number of the letters every
day, 10 or even 100 letters.

But at the same time , i understand that unlimited correspondence can be expensive for us, but i think that we can use the service per each letter for the first time in order to see how our relations will develop!! I think that it is good idea. For example, if you send me $50 for the first time, it will equal 5 translated letter from you , and 5 translated letter from me.

My dear, you can send money on my name. I will receive them and pay
for our correspondence.

My full name is Jenya Avdeeva.
Country :Ukraine
City:Lygansk
bank Aval.
My address: Vatytina block 24/40.

You can send the money by the system "Western Union" or "Moneygram".

Frankly speaking i have great desire to continue , because i feel that
you are very interesting person and we can build long strong relations.

With love and care!

Your Jenya

PeopleSmoks
01-10-2008, 08:57 PM
Subject: for my angel..
Date: 1/8/2008 7:19:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
From: irisha20062007@yandex.ru

Hello my sweetheart Bob,
I'm so glad to sit here and read your letter, everytime
I'm so happy to know more and more about you.?
Kitten sorry that I didn't answer you at once, but on the 7th of
January we had a Christmas and it was a little holiday here. You know
New Year and Christmas I have spent with my family..I can't say that
here was a lot of fun, but anyway it was cozy..
Bob I think we are really two half of one. It's so strange you are there and I'm here, but I feel so close to you. You know even this
distance which exists between us doesn't bother me. I know you are
on miles, but you are everytime in my heart and mind. I can do?
nothing with it. You have won my heart..
I'm very happy that I've found you, I feel you're my soul mate.
Only you can bright my days during this routine life.
My angel I know I don't have right for it, to ask you about
something or something like it. Just know I like you very
much and I don't want to lose you. You know that my english is
very poor and to communicate with you I have to use the help of
translator. Don't think in bad way, but now I get in such situation,
not very pleasant I have a little problem at work, maybe I even
would lose it, as a result I have a problem to pay for translation
of our correspondence. I can't afford it. That's why I have to keep
silence. I don't know when I'll be able to write you or read your
letter again. But I do want it so much. I need you and I need to
hear from you often..I feel blue about this situation, because I really don't want to lose you.
I don't push you to anything just.. may be you will be able to help in
this situation and to pay for translation of our correspondence. I don't ask too much, all that I want to be with you and to develop our relationship.
Probably you also will be not able to help me, but anyway if you can, and if you still have desire to communicate with me and if you need as much as I need you, please help..help me to pay..I'm sorry that I ask you about it.
But I even don't know to whom I can address in this situation to ask about help and support,

In love with you..

Ira

Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But did she send you the bikini pics???????????[8D]

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swazzie88
01-12-2008, 04:13 PM
Yah I got the bikini pics. Here's a letter from another chick from rBrides. I told her I sent a buttload of money and then I got this. I suppose this is what all "scamees" get once the people figure that they've got their money.

=======================

Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:27:43 +0300
From: ocharovashka1979@gmail.com
To: ***************
Subject: Hi my most are favourite also most dear Swazzie


Hi my most are favourite also most dear Swazzie, she is yours Oksana.
I write to you to tell about today. This day has brought to me huge
disappointment, at me after today very bad mood. Because I today was in representation of embassy and I was waited there with very bad news. Favourite, I probably have hastened to promise to you, that I shall arrive, because I do not have such opportunity. I have learned the prices for the visa, tickets and The insurance. I hardly can find such money. My salary it will not allow me. The visa costs 250 dollars, tickets need to be bought at once there and back, differently the visa to not receive, they should be confident, that I shall arrive back, such rules at us to receive the visa. And return tickets cost 1180 dollars. And plus still it is necessary to pay the insurance from accident in a way (God forbid certainly). It too one of conditions of reception of the visa. The insurance costs 200 dollars. In total it turns out - 1630 dollars. From mind to descend it is possible, it I should work year and to eat nothing to earn such sum. Here such, my good, there was at me a problem. I at all do not know, as to do. From you to ask money to me simply it is not convenient. I have left representation all in tears and the upset feelings. I did not think, that such expenses will be necessary. And still it is necessary to collect a heap of any information for reception of the visa. In a place of work, a place The residence, from a passport office, that I not married and is not present children. It will Be necessary to sign necessarily the legal document, that I shall arrive back. All documents would be issued in current of week when there is money it at us is done quickly.
But alas they are not present. You represent, favourite, in a week we
already could embrace each other, but it is visible not destiny. And so it would would be desirable it. I sit, I write to you the letter and at me tears on eyes. What to do? Prompt favourite. Me still love?
With impatience I wait for your letter,

yours Oksana.


Flight: Moscow (MOW)-> Portland (the USA, Oregon) (PDX)
Airline: Delta Air Lines Flight: DL31
Departure: January, 30th 2008, 12:10, the Sheremetyevo the airport
Arrival: January, 30th 2008, 14:55, John F Kennedy Intl
Places: econom a class, places are
<<<<-city of change New York (NYC)->>>>
Airline: Delta Air Lines Flight: DL433
Departure: January, 30th 2008, 16:50, John F Kennedy Intl
Arrival: January, 30th 2008, 20:25, Portland Intl Arpt
Places: econom a class, places are

Time in a way: 19 hours. 15 minutes.

===================================

Oh (s)he is CRYING! How touching

swede
01-12-2008, 05:14 PM
Survival of the fittest. They certainly are getting smarter, and the lowgrades weeded out.

PeopleSmoks
01-12-2008, 07:38 PM
swazzie, try this one... Tell her you contacted the US Embassy in Moscow. Someone is trying to rip her off for the visa!!! It only costs about $100 USD, and the insurance is a "SCAM". You can get her insurance through the airline for about $30. They will allow you to pay them directly for her visa as her sponsor to the US. All she needs to do is bring herself to the embassy to fill out the paperwork and her visa will be issued within thirty days. Also that you contacted the Russian consulate and they will also allow you to make a bank transfer directly to them to pay for her international passport. As soon as she writes to tell you she has these things, you can book her round trip flight online! It must be a round trip flight because the US won't allow a single Russian girl to enter without a way to get home. Oh boy baby, we will be together soon!!!

Then she'll need a coat or her granny will get sick and you're the only one she can turn to!!!![:o)][8D]

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swede
01-12-2008, 08:30 PM
PeopleS,

what you suggest is non less than cruelty. Some people, especially FSUW, have very strong allergic reactions to even small doses of reality. She'll have small green and red spots all over.

swede
01-13-2008, 02:45 AM
Well done. If only more would follow your good example.

PeopleSmoks
01-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Something every guy needs to understand is that it is just as easy to "google" US Embassy Kiev, Moscow, etc and e-mail them with questions and read their literature, as it is to WU your hard earned $$$$ to Boris. The first thing is the $200 to $300 price tag scammers put on a visa. It costs around $100. (I could be more accurate, but I just don't feel like looking up the actual price) I can't remember if it's Russia or Ukraine, but one of them, I bevlieve Ukraine, you actually can pay for her visa via a bank transfer to certain banks.;)

"The travel agency will make my visa and I will come to you next week." Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It generally takes at least a month for the US goverment to process a visa application from the FSU. No Ukrainian or Russian travel agent has the ability to get the US goverment to move any faster![xx(]

The fact is, it's almost impossible for a single FSUW to get a visa to the US. Hey, the government isn't that dumb! They're well aware of FSU/MOB, so when she tells you "I have a friend in an agency of travel..." 99.99% of the time it's a scam.

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swazzie88
01-15-2008, 12:14 AM
Hahaha. Man I have all these people running around by telling them that I sent the money and pretending to be all indignant.

I SENT YOU THE MONEY! WHAT DID YOU DO WITH IT?

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY MONEY? I SENT YOU A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT!

They keep replying and geting more specific with their address and the bank transfer numbers and all this ****e. You would think with the rude tone of my emails they would say, "Honey please calm down etc. etc." But it's just, "THIS IS MY NAME, THIS IS MY ADDRESS, SEND THE MONEY HERE.....OH AND I LOVE YOU."

If I was lucky I had him/her trudging through the snow and returning all pissed off. I told two people I sent SIX MONTHS worth of translations in advance. That is a big incentive to keep their scam going. I IMAGINE that these people have read mail from many many pissed off people so it's just funny that they are reading mine BEFORE thay actually ripped me off.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? I SENT YOU THE DAMN MONEY!

Hahahahaahhahahhaha!

PeopleSmoks
01-15-2008, 02:33 AM
That's not a new thing to do, but it can be a lot of fun. I've done more than my fair share of playing with scammers, and it never gets old reading their desparate pleas for the money "to continue our correspondence because I don't wnt to lose you!!!"[:o)]

The other thing you have to look at is that your saving some dumb shmuckfrom being scammed since the scammer is now focused on thinking you're a dumb shmuck who has sent money... Oops, Boris just slipped on a patch of ice on his way to pick up your money at WU!!!

Another fun game is to tell them you want to come and visit them, and watch 'em squirm!!! I had one scammer actually tell me that it is better for her to come to me first "because it's a Russian tradition for the girl to fly to meet the man's family first..." Um... okay, what you basically said is it's a tradition for your strict family to insist that you get on a plane, fly 9,000 km to a foreign land to meet a total stranger and his family even though he has volunteered to meet you in the safety of your own city???

Another volunteered to find us a place to stay together so we could spend time alone because she lived with her parents. Of course, I was to WU the money to her to put as payment for our little love nest!

Another suddenly had her rent raised and needed help, and our mutual acquaintance Olga's granny suddenly got sick and I was the only one she could ask for help.

Telling the scammer you want to meet makes the really go for the quick buck, because they know they can't meet you![8D] Try it some time.[8D]

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swazzie88
01-15-2008, 01:58 PM
Heya Smokie,

That's what I did from the start!

1.) I'm going to spend the summer in the Ukraine, so if you want to write and get to know me first them perhaps we can meet. (that WAS the plan anyway)

2.) I DO NOT PAY FOR TRANSLATIONS.


Most continued to write, but eventually EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM tried to scam me. And as I said before my ritual USED TO BE to send their true identity to them once I found it here. But after that btch sent me a pic flipping me off I don't even bother now. I just try and frustrate them. Send me your email and I'll send you the pic if you want to see it. My email is in the comments on your site I think.

Swazzie


Newest letter:

I SENT YOU A THOUSAND DOLLARS!! WHAT DID YOU DO STEAL IT? THERE ARE MANY MANY GIRLS WHO AREN'T THIS BIG OF A HASSLE. I'M GOING TO GO GET MY MONEY BACK! GOOD LUCK FINDING ANOTHER GUY WHO WILL PAY FOR SIX MONTHS TRANSLATIONS IN ADVANCE. YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND YOU BLEW IT.

=====================================

--- ocharovashka1979@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi my lover Swazzie.
> To receive that money which you have sent me I
> should inform in bank confidential
> Number (MTCN.) this number to you should inform in
> bank after sending money, and
> It is necessary for you to inform this number to me,
> in messages. As I should specify your full name and
> your address?
> After that I can receive money in bank.
> I shall soon wait for your message, a kiss for you,
> from Oksana.
>
>

ham
01-15-2008, 07:16 PM
quote:Something every guy needs to understand is that it is just as easy to "google" US Embassy Kiev, Moscow, etc and e-mail them with questions and read their literature, as it is to WU your hard earned $$$$ to Boris. The first thing is the $200 to $300 price tag scammers put on a visa. It costs around $100. (I could be more accurate, but I just don't feel like looking up the actual price) I can't remember if it's Russia or Ukraine, but one of them, I bevlieve Ukraine, you actually can pay for her visa via a bank transfer to certain banks

as I always say, information is not lacking these days; hell, some western embassies even posted warnings about internet/MOB scams on their pages...but to be informed one shall WANT TO GET THE INFORMATION first, AND BE READY TO ACCEPT THE CONTENT OF THE INFORMATION NEXT. Judging by the amount of discontent and unrest caused trying to spread information, I surmise most men scream for information but aren't happy with it...

PeopleSmoks
01-15-2008, 09:52 PM
swazzie, you have to be a bit more tactful with these scammers. Tell her you "love" her and think about her all the time! Then confess your manly lust and sexual desires for such a beautiful woman, and that you can'y understand why no man from her country has made such an effort to win her heart. You may got some pics out of the deal like the ones I get on a regular basis.

Hey ham, although I'm not as ambitious as our friend swazzie the "pitbull" when it comes to taking on the websites, I do check the info as I can find it. You can really screw with a scammer when you actually know the laws and general procedures of the visa process. Or, if she's a three timing scammer, like the one who "popped" my FSU/MOB scammer "cherry", (she's the one that got seven pics on my site)you can become someone else and really screw around!

After finding out what she was, I wrote to her as "Rob", a former US navy SEAL who was decorated in 1991 etc. He retired from active duty and now works as a consultant to the US Navy. I sent this scammer photos of a trip "Rob" took to Hawaii to help train young SEALS. Even though "Rob" told her he was only looking to marry a good looking girl to wear as "arm candy" to black tie dinners and for steady sex, she fell in love with him anyway and wanted to come to the US. She claimed she went to Moscow but found out it cost $300 for the visa, $200 for the insurance, $1200 for a plane ticket. "Rob" told her that someone was trying to rip her off, go back and ask for John, he's an old friend who works in the embassy(I can't remeber the last name I used). He'll have your visa and an international passport ready for you within 48 hours. Then he'll make all the flight arrangement for you. You won't have to do a thing!!! He'll even have you picked up and taken to the airport in an embassy limo for me!

She had some excuse why she needed the money sent to her via WU, which wasn't going to happen of course and eventually just stopped writing. While all this was going on, my friend Gretchen was writing her as a rich daddy's girl who was looking to find a lesbian lover![:0][:X] The scammer was soon curious about being with another girl and told Gret that she would like to try it with her. Of course, Gret would have to send her money for travel expenses!!!

Anyway, knowledge is power. Check the visa laws of wherever you're from so you know when the girl you're writing to is sh!tting on you!

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swazzie88
01-16-2008, 04:15 PM
MONEY? WHAT MONEY? I DIDN'T STEAL YOUR MONEY!


Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:22:15 +0300
From: ocharovashka1979@gmail.com
To: ****************
Subject: ?????

You did not send me what money and at all did not speak about there
that will send Them!!!! You that is probable me with whom confuse. Explain please!!!!! It is not necessary to speak and so that I have stolen what that of money, because it not so. About what six months you speak? I look forward to hearing.

Oksana

PeopleSmoks
01-16-2008, 08:32 PM
Okay, now apologize to her, tell her you care for her deeply and there must be a mistake at WU.[:o)]:D[:o)]

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scamfree
01-20-2008, 12:35 AM
I find this quote in the rbrides terms and conditions

"You will not transmit any chain letters or junk E-mail to other Members. For protection of members against such conduct, We imposed a 300 message-per-day limit on subscribers."

This did make me laugh, any message you get from that site is junk e-mails and who in thier right mind could send 300 messages a day???

even thier terms and conditions are a joke......

PeopleSmoks
01-20-2008, 02:56 AM
quote:who in thier right mind could send 300 messages a day???
Ummmmmmm.... A scammer out fishing for new victims because granny needs another heart operation?[8D]

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scamfree
01-20-2008, 12:35 PM
you take 300 messages x 150 scammers on avarage per day that would use.
rBrides.as a avenue to scam per day thats about 45,000 messages per day how many of these messages score for them??? how many men stay silent about being scammed? ps can you answer that?

PeopleSmoks
01-20-2008, 01:08 PM
quote: you take 300 messages x 150 scammers on avarage per day that would use.
rBrides.as a avenue to scam per day thats about 45,000 messages per day how many of these messages score for them??? how many men stay silent about being scammed? ps can you answer that?
Actually very few scammers would bother to write a message(send a pre-written greeting) to potential victims. There are more than enough guys out here who will see a photo of a pretty 18 to 22yo girl, skim through the classic "Donna Reid" profile and write to them.

There are some who do send messages first, but it seems realitively rare since it invovles "work" to do so. If anything, they may run through men's profiles and send "winks", "kisses" or some other quick "sign of interest" that doesn't take much effort. Although, I would suppose this could be considered a message of sorts.

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swazzie88
01-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Well either rBrides or their scammers are redirecting Danish, Belgian and Finnish guys to my email now. (about a dozen in the last two days) I have been sending them this:


================

FAKE EMAIL FROM FAKE PEOPLE

The following is a fake email:

Don't writing of me again unless you wanting to f**k
of me. If you wanting to f**k of me and giving me
money, I will writing to you, but really I hate
foreigners. Can't you just sending me big lots of
money? I can't not sping of the English very well. I
using the fake-pimp translation service. They actually
the ones who f**king of you.

If you complain to rBrides they won't answering you.
They fake too. They let me scam! I laugh big.

Would you like to see picture of my nice Russian tits?


-Fake Russian woman who you will never meet

==============


So now I have an idea but could use some HTML help. I can register "r.brides.com" "r-brides.com" etc. But I need HTML help to make the page say: (with just a one paragraph flashing warning)

IF YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO REACH RBRIDES.COM THEY ARE A NOTORIOUS SCAM AGENCY. THE WOMEN ARE FAKE, THE LETTERS ARE FAKE, THE TRANSLATIONS ARE FAKE, AND ANY PASSPORT PHOTOS THE COPY AND SEND TO YOU ARE FAKE. THEY ARE WELL KNOWN ORGANIZED INTERNET CRIMINALS. (BLINK BLINK BLINK)

I was thinking of registering the domains through "Domians By Proxy" so when they find-out, they won't know who to sue or harrass. Cause like, you need a "sopoena" right? (Domans By Proxy rules. Hahaha) Then register the fake "similar-domains" with all the search engines.

Sound like a plan? Let me know if anyone wishes to participate.


Swazzie

PeopleSmoks
01-25-2008, 10:10 PM
Swazzie, you're F****D UP !!! If you figure out who to do it, let me know. I'll put in a link on my site to yours! The real thing is when you put your site in the search engine, but I think that costs money, and the scammers aren't worth it to me.

Have you had any dumb@sses actually e-mail you back yet? I can forward you a few pics to send them![}:)]:D[:o)]

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PeopleSmoks
01-26-2008, 02:25 AM
Hey Swazzie! Do you see that dim light getting brighter? No, it's not a freight train heading your way, it the light bulb flickering above my head! I just figured out who you are! You're the Gary that reports all the same RBride scammers that I've written to, but don't bother reporting anymore because some guy named Gary from the USA gets to them within a month!!!

I just looked at the latest scammer report from this site, and saw about 10 RBrides girls that I blew through two months ago, but haven't had time to put up on my site, that you posted on stop-scammers! Dude, apparently we have the same taste in somewhat sexy (slutty) girls![:p]

Watch out for 20 yo Mariya. She'll want to meet you in Kyiv to have sex before you take her home with you. I think her e-mail was mariyadonskaya@gmail.com. Drop her a line. She send some good pics!!!

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swazzie88
01-26-2008, 02:48 AM
Good research Smokie! If you look at report number 25815 and look at the photos (go all the way to the end) you can see the btch who replied smiling a flipping me off.

To register a domain with "Go Daddy" is only two bucks. Not sure about "Domains By Proxy" which is a subsidiary of GoDaddy.com I'll get a total and if it's as cheap as I think, I'll do it, send you the password and you can do some quick and dirty HTML.

I've only got two replies from these guys. One said thanks for the warning, and the other said something like, "Just cause you are unhappy doesn't mean you have to make everyone else unhappy".

ham
01-26-2008, 07:18 AM
quote:I've only got two replies from these guys. One said thanks for the warning, and the other said something like, "Just cause you are unhappy doesn't mean you have to make everyone else unhappy".


well, as i said, many MOB-seekers are...weird. IF information of the extent and depth available today had been available to me long ago, I would probably not have been scammed once, and fooled online many times.
I found out that most of these weird men hate information, and people trying to spread it, more than scammers.
Information bursts their bubble, spoils their fantasy and exposes their delusion, therefore they become angry and frustrated.
They accuse you of any wrongdoing, from being "envious", to being "unhappy and wanting to drag everyone down to feel better", to "having agenda", to slanderous accusations of very personal nature.
Come on Barney, and Pedro, Wong and Jamal...
Do you idiots really believe that it is a figment of my imagination suggesting that 21yo beauty pageants you are writing to squandering your disability/welfare check oh, sorry... [:o)][:0] money from your seven zeroes Swiss coded account is "saving herself for you" and has no domestic boyfriend?
Why is it so hard to believe that she's seeing Kimbo, hardened African thug from Harlem with genital herpes, in two hours?
Which damn planet do you live on?
Envious?
I wouldn't part all the Wongs or Pedros, Jamals or Barneys in this world from a Ford escort for a billion dollars... and i know for sure your billions and glamour jobs can probably be junk-packed into a ten cents box of matches anyways...
Unhappy?
My life is far from perfect, but I can admit it; you who bray endlessly about how "just awesome" yours is, are online bragging and seeking MOBs...hardly a "men's health" or "Forbes magazine" demeanor...

I think the best service is rendered to lurkers and anonymous surfers, not the restricted clique that dominates most MOB forums.
Seems odd, but even these days you get people asking "She told me her granny needs a new lives; her uncle at the travel agency can procure one for $300 but I shall act FAST, or she'll have to be trafficked into prostitution in a Turkish brothel, and she loves me and has none to turn to".

scamfree
01-29-2008, 01:38 AM
Rbrides administration may have seen the ligh and addressed the issue thier site is a supper hwy for scammers.
There has been a link installed on your profile page to report scammers and they spell it out quite clear not to send money!!
and have promised to delete reported scammers profiles...
time will tell..

scamfree
01-29-2008, 01:52 AM
Every person who uses online dating sites must to know!

Most important:

1) SCAM ? WHAT IS IT?
Some person asks for money. You send. This person steals your money and disappears.

2) WHO RUNS SCAM?
90% by hackers group, 9% by fake translation agencies, 1% by real women who would like to use your money for free travels and other staff.

3) WHAT SHOULD I DO IF SOMEBODY ASKS FOR MONEY?
Do not send any money!!! Send us a note via our contact us form about this case. We?ll put this profile to black lists.

4) JUST ONE RULE!
Do not send any money!!! If you will send - 100% you will lost them.



Additional ANTI-SCAM questions and information:

5) My lady sent me scan of her passport and visa. She is real, for sure! She just needs some money for trip!
You do not should think about if this profile is real or not, she has some problem with her ill parents or not, she has some financial problems or not etc. No doubts it is SCAM! SCAMmers are great psychologists and they have tons of stories and tools to grab your money. Just remember, if somebody asks you for money it is 100% SCAM and this profile must be black listed.

6) Fake translation agencies. What is it?
After several messages with some lady you receive a message like this:
?Dear, Name! We inform you that Miss X is using our translation company. We help with the translation and in Internet correspondence with you. She really interested in you and wants continue correspondence and relations with you. Please pay us??. Do not send any money!!! Send us a note via our contact us form about this case. We?ll put this profile to black lists.

7) Why your site allows to SCAMmers put their profiles into your site?
SCAMmers act like regular members when they create their profiles. We do use our Anti-SCAM control and delete many profiles during registration. But it is not possible to detect 100% of SCAM profiles at very first step. If somebody asks you for money, do not send any money!!! Send us a note via our contact us form about this case. We?ll put this profile to black lists.


Resume:
PLEASE REMEMBER JUST ONE RULE: DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY!!!

there was also a link attached to report scammers but it appears it did not copy and paste,im not good at that stuff

PeopleSmoks
01-29-2008, 02:06 AM
quote: Rbrides administration may have seen the ligh and addressed the issue thier site is a supper hwy for scammers.
There has been a link installed on your profile page to report scammers and they spell it out quite clear not to send money!!
and have promised to delete reported scammers profiles...
time will tell..
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RBrides has always had an "anti-scammer policy" posted on their site. But their anti-scam policy is like me denouncing alcohol as I crack open my upteenth beer of the night!!!! In fact, the old anti-scam policy linked you to their sister site, Site2Date!!! Is the "new and improved" one any better? I have a little fun webpage. If I put up a link to Alocholics Anonymous, does that mean I'm a "good boy" now???[:o)][8D]

I was on that site for a while. 99.9% scammers!!!! I reported several of them. One who had tried to scam me before, and is posted here, and on several anti-scam sites as far back as 2004. It took days if not at least a week or two and several complaints to have the profiles removed, and then the scammer was back a few days later with a new name and home city.[:0]:([B)]

This particular scammer actually had two profiles running at the same time on RBrides. The only difference between RBrides and UALadys(now UADreams), is the price of admission.[V]

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swede
01-30-2008, 07:38 PM
Scamfree,

don't you mind us oldtimers being a bit cynical about the whole thing. Been there, done that (well, maybe not completely, but I was THAT close).

We can get repetitive or have our little fun, but I feel, that you're mostly doing the good work.

PeopleSmoks
01-30-2008, 09:30 PM
quote:there was also a link attached to report scammers but it appears it did not copy and paste,im not good at that stuff
I'll post it for you later when I get a chance, but it's the link that sends you to Site2Date!!!! Another scammer site owned by the same parent company, which is apparently based in the US according swazzie's research!!!!!!![V]



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urodivsezdes
12-14-2015, 08:46 AM
just a one question...

WHY YOU ARE SITTING ON THESE DATING SITES, IF YOU THINK THAT ALL THERE IS SCAM??? YOU NEVER THOUGHT THAT MAYBE BETTER TO FIND SOMEBODY IN REAL LIFE? Because just sitting and writing this or that girl is scam - will not help you!!! One more i cannot understand...you are looking for a girl in Ukraine or Russian, where the standards of living is very low, where girls who can go abroad at their own expense ... can counted on the fingers! Why you still communicate with these girls and then say, she asked me money, she is scamer!

costin
10-30-2016, 07:11 PM
If you don`t risk, you don`t have fun, that`s the deal with dating sites, either you like it or not we have to accept it
What you can do is to make the risk comfortable for us, as Lerat pointed, it`s easy to notice when you are dealing with a scammer, just ignore her and that`s all