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Goddiejens
01-15-2008, 04:53 AM
Hello everybody,

this is the start of my travel report to Krasnodar where I date a lady from ruladies.com. This weekend the first booked meeting will take place. I have serious intentions with this lady so that I only dated this one lady and nobody else there, after 3 months of correspondence.

My travel is an individual one. I did not book a travel package of the agency. I only had to mail them my passport copy and pay in advance with creditcard for this first meeting 30 minutes with translator.

As I speak basically the Russian language the communication problem with her will be a not so big one for us. I made sure in the correspondence that I am not interested in expensive nightclubs or shopping centers, but I want to see the town and may be surroundings and her family if she agrees with me to do that. She made sure that she would take care of me in any case.

I prepared some little surprises and bought some gifts ... she likes sweets so I bought such stuff and a mp3 player with some good songs for her and a picture of me and her pictures on its display. I will take my handycam and my camera with me and keep my impressions then. My hotel room has been booked by a travel agency, it is not cheap there (70 Euros per night / breakfast incl.).

She proposes first to meet me in tea cafeterias there where we can discuss and get to know in person so that she checks if she loves me or not ... I understand that a young lady needs a bit time to develop her emotions and feelings and then she will take her ultimate decision.

I will report more in detail here in this thread.

Goddiejens

Goddiejens
01-21-2008, 10:46 AM
Hi guys,

I am here in Krasnodar. I arrived last Saturday at around 12 am. My first trip to Russia ... and what an experience!

First, be careful when you arrive here on a Saturday because banks do not work on Saturday as usual and so it caused a lot of stress to me until I could change my Euros cash in roobles (at the 3rd bank after 45 minutes...). Some bankomats (automates/cash machines) work but many are only linked to the national Russian banksystem... . And if anyone travels in the winter time please wear warm clothes when you have to do the transfer in Moscow Sheremetyevo from 2 to 1, I stood more than 1 hour in queues in very low temperatures there... .

Second, the office in Krasnaya Street 124 A is real and located there on the 5th floor of a high office building. You find it at the entrance where also a tourist agency publishs its availability there, the agency"s name is only marked at the office door upstairs and not at the entrance of the building.

The staff there is very friendly. So I had the official intro-meeting just in the evening of the day of my arrival because my favorite lady Marina (the blondy one, 20 y/o, massager/nurse) worked this day in the beauty and massage shop for ladies and she could not come in earlier. I signed the fair agreement with the agency about this meeting. After half an hour we terminated the meeting because my Russian skills are good enough to continue the conversation with her without translator. I was surprised because Marina is indeed a very beautiful lady, I was deeply impressed to see her.

Until this time my experience was a good one. Then I enjoyed the presence of my favourite lady only extremely limited. I needed to have some dinner. She went more than a kilometer with me to find a small restaurant which offers typical Russian food and had been recommended by the office people to her. But every 10 minutes ... it was unbelievable but real! ... every 10 minutes somebody called her on her cellphone and she went out to reply the phonecall. After half an hour sitting in the restaurant with her and all these breaks I asked her who calls and she said her dad who would not like that she extends our being together. So I took a taxi with her to come back to the hotel and left my gifts (chocolates because she likes chocolates very much, a mp3 player with her and my pictures to watch / new sony branded one, a nice laptop case and mouse for her and well, in total around 15 kilograms) to her. As I know that Russian ladies are shy I did not push anything with her and did my very best to show me with my best image. She came out of the taxi and said goodbye to me with a small kiss ... so I was glad to see her on Monday after her exams again, and on Tuesday she would have time for me all the day she had told me in our conversation... .

In reality on Sunday here happened nothing, I only used my unlimited paid mails with her to send her a mail how much I wait for her and how much I would love her and so on. We had agreed that I create a nice movie dvd with her because I have a camcorder and laptop and so on here with me.

It was hard to find an internetcafe here! Guys, you find a cheap one at the main post office glabpotshtamt, 15 minutes to walk from the office of the agency downtown the Krasnaya Street and then right and left at the post office building to find it after the 2 entrances of the big post office building at entrance 3 "kyberpost" marked at the housedoor! If it does not work first, please wait up to 30 minutes, they repair the connections... .

Today us Monday and I received a letter from Marina saying that her dad prohibits her to see me and she would be sick at home because it would not work out with us ... so I am in a desaster here now because I only came to Krasnodar because of this girl. I would be too old she writes, but her profile says

"Marina M. #204
Age 20 years old

Age range of man: 30-60 y.o.
My Languages: English with vocabulary.
Religion: Christian

Education: Student
Occupation: Massager, nurse
Appearance: Striking
Smoke: Sometimes Drink: Socially
Birth Date: 11/21/1987 (mm/dd/YYYY)
Height: 5 ft 10 inch (177 cm)
Weight: 125 lbs (56 kg)
Build: thin I am left-handed
Eyes: blue Hair: light-brown
Glasses or contact lenses: No
Marital: Single and No children
Do you want to have children? Yes
How many would you like to have? 2
Krasnodar branch

so I am far below 60 y/o and I do not get the point of her excuses, these excuses are really wrong and not acceptable. Be aware of this lady, guys!!!

So far my first report part here. The translators work between 10 am and 7 pm in the office. They are friendly and welcome every guest with coffee. I have not the impression that they would be gangsters or people who falsificate doing kind of fraud with guys like me. Of course, ladies cannot come in to the office to pick up letters everyday, ladies live far away in other districts of this large town ... Marina has a pc at home but many others do not have pc at home and there are not so much internetcafes here in this town, for sure a lot of messages goes via phonecalls because they all have cellphones here ... . But the translators do their best to execute a serious job!

So long for now, guys! I am still frustrated and furious, but well, also girls in other countries are like that ... they damage and wound their admirers ... we have to face such risks wherever!

Good and better luck for you, guys!

Goddiejens

ham
01-21-2008, 12:14 PM
quote:every 10 minutes somebody called her on her cellphone and she went out to reply the phonecall.

+


quote:20 y/o, massager/nurse

=

[:0][:o)][:o)]:D:D


quote:Today us Monday and I received a letter from Marina saying that her dad prohibits her to see me and she would be sick at home because it would not work out with us ... so I am in a desaster here now because I only came to Krasnodar because of this girl. I would be too old she writes, but her profile says

yes, sugar daddy or pimp...
Two hours later she was scheduled to attend a "oral" interview with Jamal, a 300 pounds African guy on parole who just arrived from Harlem...
What a joke...
[:o)][xx(][:o)]:(

Goddiejens
01-23-2008, 07:50 AM
Hi ham!!! Hi @all!!!

Marina has really damaged me very much here, ham. She took my gifts (15 kgs) and ran home without leaving me her address or whatever, only a little kiss is what I received from her and the agreement that she would take of me from latest yesterday ... a broken promess!

But well, in the pics she looks really like a prostitute, in that we agree, ham. But as I experienced via mail correspondence this lady is very sensitive and well young and so she is not aware of how the receiver would understand what she says. She has no clue that any serious western man watching such pics must come to the conclusion "What a prostitute is this one?". Ham, I go around here in Krasnodar in these days. And I see all the nice young ladies here in the streets, very many of them look super sexy but are super shy!!! It is only show, girls like that!!! This is the big issue.

She has no pimp, Marina, otherwise there had been a request to pay service fee or whatever to her for a hot night ... this really has never been the case here! Pimps want money, they do not want to cause trouble to "interested clients". She never asked money or anything.

After this negative experience the translators (Diana) discussed with me in the office last Monday evening. They proposed me not to waste my time but date another person, they would help me as good as possible.

So yesterday I dated another one. And she was indeed much better to me than Marina. She allowed me from the beginning to use the more familiar form in Russian language to communicate with her. She is not student anymore but has started to work. I recorded my own movie on our first meeting in the office, and in this movie there are also to see all the translator ladies (but they have just boyfriends, guys!). She was a bit shy with me, but on the other hand she smiled a lot and always knew something nice to say to me. After only 15 minutes the translater proposed to finish the meeting and pass over to any restaurant only the lady and I. Then we went to a restaurant, and within 5 minutes I catched her address details and private mail address and so on.

So this lady is really interested in me and she is not dependent in her decision on what daddy says or mom thinks. She also touched me sometimes a little, after 2 hours. So I am glad that I am in contact with her now. She suggested me where to spend my time today and visit some interesting sights. We agreed that this evening I will show her pics on my laptop (which means that we need to go to her apartment, she lives alone there ...). She is really sweet and a natural good girl, as I see it in my first impression.

Marina will be married with any guy her daddy will choose for her. I am sure about that. Her parents who have some business do wash her brain now. The candidate must be a rich one and bring money in. I have my opinion about this way of handling, and it is a very negative opinion. But well, I could not help her because she did not want me to help her at last. So I leave her to the dogs now ... no tear for such a dependent chick!

When I was there in the office last Monday evening I could also see Ekaterina or Jekaterina or Yekaterina there filling out forms with a younger prettier girlie. The manager put me on a place behind a screen so that I could not observe both ladies so good. They are all very friendly there. So I left some chocolate to the translators and they offered me coffee and had some smalltalk with me. Diana is a bit strict sometimes, but well.

Last evening I saw Ksenia first time there. She is also a beautiful lady, much more beautiful than in the movie, in her video. I would change this video in her case!

I found a computer club (cybercafe) on the other side of Krasnaya Street (where a shoe shop is located) directly in front of the hotel KAVKAZ where I have accomodation now, open from 10 am to 10 pm ... but sometimes internet does not work because of connectivity problems. Main biz of this club is gaming, but sound is not provided and smoking not allowed inside and this is very nice for surfers like me! The price is a bit more than 1 Euro per hour, well payable.

Also nearby the Hotel Kavkaz there is a cafeteria (bakery with tables and service), only 5 minutes to walk from the hotel in the direction where the office of ruladies.com is located. So my lady will be at the hotel this evening at 6:30, I will take a coffee and cake with her in that bakery and then we go to her to check (hopefully not only) the laptop contents ... that's my plan. Wish me good luck, guys!

I keep you updated.

Goddiejens

ham
01-23-2008, 10:10 AM
quote:But as I experienced via mail correspondence this lady is very sensitive and well young and so she is not aware of how the receiver would understand what she says.

hmm
they are selling a product & fooling suckers.
As young as she might be, I bet you are only sucker N+1 she has fooled.
So her "daddy" is possessive, but allows her to join a MOB agency & to see rows of horny westerners...
Please...

It might be you were not "wealthy enough" or whatever, so she met you (not to leave you angry over being stood up ), took whichever gift you could give and goodbye.

Goddiejens
01-24-2008, 08:09 AM
Hi Ham,

I see it the same way. As her dad is a business guy here he want to make her successful business lady too. So there is indeed a lot about money.

On the other hand she mailed me that there was a Russian rich guy here in Krasnodar who put her a letter in the mailbox with a key of a super expensive car in and the car in front of her house door so that she please should use it. But she commented that she would not be a person anyone could buy with money or a car or whatever.

Well, as just Einstein said ... who understands women???

Now I dated the next one but she only explained me a lot of rules and procedures how it works here with ladies ... the admirer needs weeks and weeks to have meetings only in public places and friends would never share a kiss or touch each other or hold hands ... it would take a long time to come closer and also involve all the family members and especially the parents of the lady and so on ... .

Our meeting last night took place in a cafeteria and was finished after one hour. Interesting to know that Natasha is a friend of the translator Diana who works in the office of the agency. She would look for an apartment in Krasnodar because now she only is a bedspacer in a place of her friends. And as she has to help out last night when guests come to that family and she needs to cook and so on she would have no more time for me last night ... I brought her to the bus and bye! I asked her how to arrange that she can see the video on my laptop. Well, she would ask Diana if we could arrange that in Diana's apartment tonight and I might get a phonecall ... . You can imagine what I think, it makes me really perplex here how they treat people like me... .

On one hand here the ladies go around weared like elegant hookers, on the other hand inside they are as cold as the ground of Northern Sibiria now. What to say about it?

I will leave this country tomorrow. I have been here first time. I will go next time to one of the southern countries. It is much cheaper there regarding the travel expenses and the people are more open-minded and easier to handle. That's all! I think the best is never repeat a mistake... .

Goddiejens

swede
01-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Cit goddiejens:
"Hi Ham,

I see it the same way. As her dad is a business guy here he want to make her successful business lady too. So there is indeed a lot about money.

On the other hand she mailed me that there was a Russian rich guy here in Krasnodar who put her a letter in the mailbox with a key of a super expensive car in and the car in front of her house door so that she please should use it. But she commented that she would not be a person anyone could buy with money or a car or whatever."

If her father owns a newspaper-stall, he's a "businessman" according to the way language is (mis)used there. There's a 95% chance, that's the story about the car is just so many words.

"On one hand here the ladies go around weared like elegant hookers, on the other hand inside they are as cold as the ground of Northern Sibiria now. What to say about it?"


It's just the way FSUW dress, even respectable and faithfully married wives. I once had a niece of a former polish girlfriend visiting us here, and she definitely shocked the neighbours with her dress (though she was a shy and nice girl). In Poland you'll sometimes see 60-70 year old women dress this way. If they have the proper shape for it, it's a pleasure for the eye. But it doesn't mean a thing.

ham
01-24-2008, 12:35 PM
quote:On the other hand she mailed me that there was a Russian rich guy here in Krasnodar who put her a letter in the mailbox with a key of a super expensive car in and the car in front of her house door so that she please should use it. But she commented that she would not be a person anyone could buy with money or a car or whatever.


sure...
[:o)]:D[B)][B)]
and my cousin squeezes watermelons with his butt-cheeks...
Please...


quote:
Now I dated the next one but she only explained me a lot of rules and procedures how it works here with ladies ... the admirer needs weeks and weeks to have meetings only in public places and friends would never share a kiss or touch each other or hold hands ... it would take a long time to come closer and also involve all the family members and especially the parents of the lady and so on ... .

Our meeting last night took place in a cafeteria and was finished after one hour.


...
and she's still virgin & saving herself for you, right?
[:o)][:o)][:o)]
True was the Barney, 71yo wealthy western accountant, had arrived the day earlier. He is all alone in the hotel, just took five tablets of viagra and they have to meet him within the hour. Next there is Akeem, a 500 pounds African guy nicknamed "brass knuckle" for his macho attitude.
They must think you are really stupid to tell you all this nonsense.
Ask her why she traded her cherry with packs of cigarettes when she was 12...
[8D][:o)]

Goddiejens
01-26-2008, 01:03 PM
Hello ham and swede,

I do not think that Marina lies. She has really a striking outer appeareance, this lady is a very beautiful one indeed!!! So it might well has happened that such a rich guy was very interested in her.

Second point, I only want to stress here this really giant contradiction between the prudence of the ladies (they are really untouchables and behave in that way!) and their outfit which must make every guy horny.

Today I am still in Moscow because Aeroflot has not arrived at Krasnodar yesterday, so also I went by bus to Anapa City and from there the aircraft brought me to Moscow where I arrived at midnight and used this day now to see also the Red Square despite of snow weather.

I hope to come home at midnight... .

Good luck,
Jens

PeopleSmoks
01-26-2008, 03:53 PM
Hey Goddiejens! I've been following your updates, but haven't commented 'til now. I'm sorry to hear that things didn't work out so well. It's a bit depressing for me as I'm getting closer to my trip every day. I admit, I've heard similar stories about the girls dressing in somewhat tight clothes, short skirts, push up bras, etc (what we might almost think of as basic stripper atire), but maintain a strictly hands off attitude toward their western suitors. It seems they enjoy teasing???

Even the girls that actually write their own letters and may be quite suggestive retain that untouchability at real meetings. As I always try like the dickens to find something good in everything (I live by the motto, "That which does not kill me will serve to make me stronger."), I tell myself that having heard about this "hands off" attitude, I am sort of prepared for it and hopefully won't be as shocked by it when I find it to be part of my FSU visit.

Thanks for all of your reports. Good[:X], bad[}:)], or ugly[B)], I plan to do the same when I go, if not on the site updates, at least a full report when I get back home.

Train returns

Goddiejens
01-27-2008, 09:49 AM
Hi Peoplesmoks,

I asked about the 3 couples in wedding party pictures on the wall of the office of ruladys.com. The translators told me that the really married people did not want to have put their pics there so that these pics are not real ones of results achieved by the office!

What would you experience in Krasnodar, Peoplesmoks?

First of all, they all work or study & work. So they all have time after work, may be from 7 pm or 8 pm. ALL THE OTHER DAYTIME YOU ARRANGE YOUR PROGRAM YOURSELF! So you are not attended in the daytime. If you do not speak Russian ... it would be just a problem for you to buy a map of the city ... . And your meeting(s) could only be successful with a paid translator.

Please imagine, you are alone all the day and then from 8:30 pm to 10 pm you sit in a restaurant or cafeteria with your favourite lady and a paid translator. After one hour your favourite lady and the translator start to show you how tired they are from work ... . And as I just told you, HANDS OFF!!!, they are untouchables!!! SHE decides when you can hold her hands. SHE gives you the first kiss someday ever or never comes... .

In the daytime you can walk around a little as I did. At night you can go to a nightclub of bar as I did not do.

So I arrived on Saturday and thought that my favourite lady would have time for me because Marina informed me about holidays and not jobbing from that Saturday and the following week. But when I was there I had to face a different reality. She well had to work on Saturday, too, beauty & wellness centers for ladies have peak seasons on weekends! So she had time for me from Saturday 7 pm. Then her father bothered with phonecalls every 10 minutes so the communication failed ... she promissed to see me again may be not on Sunday but on Monday and for sure some more hours on Tuesday ... but on Monday I received only a "nice" letter from her saying that it would not work out with us ... she would not meet me again. I left 15 kgs gifts to her (sweets...) on Saturday night, I paid the taxi and left her some more money that she takes a taxi to see me asap, and she did not only say goodbye to me, I was lucky to receive a little kiss from this beauty! I hope you can understand my frustration when I read the letter from her on Monday in the morning in an internetcafe which was hard to find there.

I am not a sextourist because I have never and I would never pay for sex to any lady, I do not go to any prostitute or places of prostitution. But "joining hearts" is different from "stayfriends", isn't it? The lady shares a lot of mails with me and tells me also some very sex-relevated fantasies ... for the final pic in the office of the agency after the first official meeting she came a bit close to me and I could put my left arm around her shoulder sitting there on the sofa with her ... but then she is untouchable! This is like washing without water!!!

They are really cold, Peoplesmoks! They are as cold as the ground in Sibiria now.

Don't think that they suffer from bad living conditions and need to look for the way how to go west! Last year was a very good year for all Russians, also the poorest ones received more there, and they are more happy there now whenever! They have family members and friends there, they would miss a lot abroad! So you are welcome if you bring in a lot of money for their business ... because they all dream of own business ... in such case you might have a chance.

Diana S. #175 works as translator in the office of ruladys.com in Krasnodar, sometimes in managing position. She told me that she has a boyfriend. But her profile says that she "looks for her second half".

"Type of man I decide... It is quite had question to answer. I could write a book about it. But lets get serious. I don't have any special type of man I would want to meet. I value such qualities as intelligence, sense of humor, honesty, openness, possibility to understand other person and many many others. Ask yourself ? did you meet such person? And I guess the answer would be ? no. If a man doesn't have one or more qualities I like, it doesn't mean that I might not like him. So I can say that I am open for new meetings and experiences. And I always believe that if the man doesn't have some quality, he would have another personal quality which would be even better. I am hopeless optimist. And this is my life position."

Ksenia S. #214 : I had not conversation with this translator. Bus she is much much more beautiful than in the video and on the pics!!! She was one week on holiday and came back last week. In Russia working people get 1 week paid holidays, only. They can have more holidays but unpaid only! The working time per day in fulltime jobs is 9 hours and more. And the prices are similar to the prices in Belgium or Netherland based on the rate to change euros in rubles.

Well, guys, welcome to reality whenever you go there!!! For me this has been my only and last experience with Russian untouchables and lack of service in Russia. I had to pay 25 euros penalty because my visa expired the day before I left Russia. My late departure was fault of AEROFLOT, they did not provide the flight back from Krasnodar to Moscow ... and at midnight in Moscow I had to go to 3 different places to arrange the hotel voucher with AEROFLOT, fully packed with all my baggage through Sheremetyevo 2 and then 1 ... and then 40 minutes more in the queue at the reception of NOVOTEL at Sheremetyovo 2 ... so that after 1 am I achieved to sleep there.

Flight back to my place in Western Europe there was again snowfall in Moscow and delay ... I needed to pay 70 euros for the taxi at night then to come home from the airport. So in case you arrange your visa for Russia yourself please please ask for 2 more to prevent that you have to pay a 25 dollar penalty fee in case of such inconvenience!!!

Enough comments and advices. I will remove my profile at ruladys.com in these days. May be I go and collect another experience in Ukraine this year. But then, no mails before (to save this money) and only dating online the lady at the place there with the option to date another one in case that she is not available there... .

I wish you a good travel, Peoplesmoks!!!

I wish you so very very very much that you have success!!! (But I am honest enough to say that success in such date would surprise me very very very much!)

Goddiejens

ham
01-27-2008, 12:35 PM
quote:I asked about the 3 couples in wedding party pictures on the wall of the office of ruladys.com. The translators told me that the really married people did not want to have put their pics there so that these pics are not real ones of results achieved by the office!

well, exaggerating success rates is very common in all sorts of situations, to psych clients up so they buy whatever it's for sale.
I made a point here: http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=759



quote:I would never pay for sex to any lady

well, to each his own, but I think there are many times more men actually PAYING for sex (and thinking they don't ) than clients of brothels who do ( and know they are ).
A prostitute knows what she's there for, and wants to make sure you understand it perfectly, too; most "normal" women know what they are there for as well, but want YOU to find out late or never.
Maybe I'm just "the real loser" and maybe must pay for sex...guess what? At least i know and can keep track of my losses.
[:0][B)]:D
Sorry I don't have the good looks, the glamour jobs and the extravagant affluent lifestyle of other internet Romeos...
[:o)][:o)]


quote: They are really cold, Peoplesmoks! They are as cold as the ground in Sibiria now.

I don't think they are different from most domestic women.
The problem is YOU were convinced to have something romantic going...your problem.
THEY were only paid to put up a dog&pony show to keep more suckers hooked; anyways, only a minute fraction is ever going to visit.
You were misled and fooled ten times worse than in the cheapest brothel.
They wanted to fulfill the obligation of entertaining you and ready their escape so they can be home to their boyfriend Igor in time for late night TV.
Fact: they chose Igor (another worthless, unemployed, brutal russian drunkard, eh? [:o)] ) but you are just part of their job.

thatcrazy
01-27-2008, 01:51 PM
Russian girls are not shy....... unless they don't like you. :D

Prometheus
01-28-2008, 08:21 PM
For God sakes Goddiejens! Man, as I've quoted Cheech & Chong before, "If it looks like dogchit, smells like dogchit, and tastes like dogchit..." Guess what? IT IS DOGCHIT MAN! "Good thing we didn't step in it..."

God, it is just painful to read this. I would have just found a good blackmarket AK-47 and gone back to the "we don't need real wedding photos" headquarters and done some housecleaning.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/473292408_f4b8fbfde3.jpg

"Looks like I picked a bad week to give up sniffing airplane glue..."

Goddiejens
01-29-2008, 12:50 PM
Well, Prometheus,

I confess that I have really been stupid to leave 15 kgs gifts to Marina. I catched a little kiss as surprise from her part for my goodwill. She promissed to meet me again and show me the town as she had written me before, but 2 days later I received a good bye mail from her part because her daddy would cause problems and so on ... her profile says that she accepts men up to 60 y/o but in reality she just sees a problem to have a meeting with a guy like me in the 40ies ... (???). So there are indeed very much contradictions.

At the office my impression was that the translators know the ladies very good. They know exactly in which way the ladies would accept the contact with every guy who mails them. So some contacts work online / translations go to the private mail address of the receiver and job done / other stuff goes by phone or is done by the translator without having discussed it with the lady to keep the payments for mails running ... but I think also that this mostly is agreed between the translators and the ladies. The translators make foreign guys travelling there and dating the lady. And the lady minimum before the date looks into the profile of the guy! If she rejects to meet him the translators offer to choose dating another lady... and may be they invent any excuse that the preferred lady who does not want to meet the guy is not available "in the moment" (tragic family event or another story...).

30 mails translated per day means 60 dollars salary worked per day plus gross profits and cost coverage for the office. That's the business part of them!

A date brings them 50 dollars for half an hour intro-meeting. Of course the most beautiful princess does not show the face and lose it by saying "sorry Sir, no way to continue this evening with you and having now a dinner with you" ... it is much more easy to play the game this evening and send a goodbye message 1 or 2 days later to the surprised guy ... as it happens to me, guys.

Before first intro-meeting guys need to sign an agreement saying that the office has no responsibility for the success of the meeting and only gives support in the communication. That's normal.

But I also had the impression that p.e. Marina did not know her own profile how I could check it online. And this lady did not come from poor families! She came from middle class.

My second dated lady there has my private mail address but does not send any mail to me. Both ladies only speak Russian. How to present a foreigner to their parents? With translator???

So this is what I mean with contradictions. And I also noted that some of the ladies are really girlfriends of the translators who are also ladies. So the translators gives them instructions how to handle a contact that everything seems to be a bit serious ... SEEMS TO BE ... .

Goddiejens

PeopleSmoks
01-31-2008, 03:36 AM
Hey Goddiejens! This crap really sucks cow pie juice! I feel like I may be traveling the same path right behind you. Less than a month from heading over to meet her, "my girl" has suddenly become a total b!tch.

I postponed my original plans to fly to Ukraine because she said it would be too much of a distraction for her during her exams, so we agreed on early March. February 29th is close enough for me and she agreed.

She's complained that I didn't consult her enough before making my travel arrangements and accomodations etc. I'm getting a bad feeling about the whole situation because now, she has begun talking about money.:(

In several of my letters when talking about our meeting, we talked openly about scammers and the western "sex tourists". I assured her that this was not the case with me as my greatest hope was to hold her hand across the table as we sipped coffee together and discussed our future. I told her that several times during our correspondence.

In her last letter, she was being "playful" as she put it, and a bit of a tease about some things. In my last letter to her, in one sentence out of 100, I mentioned soming about the girls from Ukraine liking to tease their western men, but being very reserved when meeting their western suitors for the first time.

She went off on a three paragragh tiraid and even talked about postoning our meeting... again!!![V] So I have decided not to write to her for a couple of days, but am already composing my reply. I'm actually telling her that I'm coming to Ukraine. I've already paid for the trip and I will find some way to enjoy myself with or without her company.

I feel like it's her set up for a no show, but what can I do except go there and try to have fun anyway at this point??? So, how hard is it to find an internet cafe in the FSU?




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ham
01-31-2008, 06:43 AM
quote: She's complained that I didn't consult her enough before making my travel arrangements and accomodations etc. I'm getting a bad feeling about the whole situation because now, she has begun talking about money.

what would SHE care?
unless she wanted to "book" your stay and make a dime.
Oh well...
[:o)][B)][:0]


quote:She went off on a three paragragh tiraid and even talked about postoning our meeting... again!!!

so...
these online love queen never stop complaining men are players, waste their time and never visit...but make so much problems when the one-in-100 is really visiting...hmmm
Maybe she has Jamal booked for the same period?


quote:but what can I do except go there and try to have fun anyway at this point???

you might visit an agency there to set up some pronto meetings...no guarantee of the "inner quality" of women you might meet, though.
[xx(]

Goddiejens
01-31-2008, 02:34 PM
Hi Peoplesmoks,

I think that you are doing right to interrupt your mailing to her for a short period. Then in your position I would formulate conditions what I expect in and after the introduction meeting from her part. I would ask her to to confirm that she accepts or that she says clearly that she does not accept that. I would mention as reason that I take the start of the relationship very very serious and that's why I now need to receive a very clear answer from her.

Then you check the answer and may be you send mails to some other ladies to present yourself and ask if they are ready to have a meeting with you during your holidays there and show you the sights of the town there because you come to their place doing some business stuff (sounds interesting for them...) but having time also to enjoy first the Ukraine ... you are interested in historical architecture and paradises in the nature and may be some nightlife with dancing and dinner and romantic moments in case that this matches with the mood of the lady ... .

So you only pay one mail to such favourite ladies and check their answers and note their profiles and then you have the option to book online the dates and at the office you have anyway to make first the arrangement of the intro-meeting (sign the agreement, leave your contact details, they call you back and tell you when to start with the intro-meeting which is always done in the office with translator...). Hopefully your hotel is not so far from the office! (My one in Krasnodar only was 15 minutes to walk... .)

I wish you good holidays there and simply date another favorite lady or 2 others...,

Goddiejens

Goddiejens
02-01-2008, 07:45 AM
Hi peoplesmoks,

regarding internetcafe in FSU:

- expensive but available solution: best hotel at the place!
Ask there for internet access and price per hour!
Should work in English.
Keyboard is in English (with English/Russian letters)
but good to handle!

- kyperpost / go to the main post office and ask for internet post!
cheap solution

- "computer clubs gaming" (komputerny klub igry gaming)
cheapest solution
I used one, very calm inside, no-smoking area, manager spoke English...

- Ask at the office and at the hotel reception where to find a public internetcafe

Good luck!!!

I hope to find a good report from your trip here later.

Best regards,
Jens

PeopleSmoks
02-01-2008, 10:20 PM
Thanks Goddiejens! So you know, the angry letter from her was already a couple days old when I made that last post. I sent a letter to her this morning, and received her reply when I got home from work. She seems a bit calmer. Although......

quote:So you only pay one mail to such favourite ladies and check their answers and note their profiles and then you have the option to book online the dates and at the office you have anyway to make first the arrangement of the intro-meeting (sign the agreement, leave your contact details, they call you back and tell you when to start with the intro-meeting which is always done in the office with translator...). Hopefully your hotel is not so far from the office! (My one in Krasnodar only was 15 minutes to walk... .)
Actually, this is the same advice I gave another guy on another forum thread. I've already started working on a back up or three.;)

She's still first on my list though. We've been corresponding since August, with a few week break in October that was of my doing. Hopefully it'll work out.

I hope I will be able to find an internet cafe. I want to be able to "report" back about my adventures as you have. I hope my reports are slightly less depressing, but if I find a cafe, I'll tell the truth about what happens just as you have.

Hope you land safe!!!!!!!! And don't give up, I know I won't if thing don't go as well as I hope.


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Goddiejens
02-08-2008, 05:02 PM
Hi Peoplesmoks,

I give up with the Russians and the agency office there in Krasnodar. I only want to remind Diana to mail me the 2 pictures (with Marina and me, with Natasha and me), nothing else. I only lost money there for some 5 hours of fun in one week of my holidays, I invested around 2000 Euros in total. The Russian hospitality was a very appreciated one in the USSR period, but the mentality especially of the young generation has changed totally ... they go for business only, they take all we leave to them but there does not come anything back from their part ... this has not been what I hoped to find there! And please take in consideration that I can read and write and speak and understand basically Russian ... .

Goddiejens

PeopleSmoks
02-09-2008, 10:42 PM
quote:I give up with the Russians and the agency office there in Krasnodar.
Hey Jens, did you just give up on Krasnodar? Russians? Or FSU/MOB all together? It really bites to hear that your trip ended so badly. Believe me, next to you, I was probably next in line rooting for you since I'm about to get on the plane in less than three weeks now. It would have been nice to hear some good news before I go.

If things don't go well on my trip, I'm not sure whether I'll jump right back into it again or not. I'm still telling myself that even if it doesn't work out, I'm going to have fun on a trip that I probably would never have taken if it weren't for this girl in Ukraine. I'm desperately trying to prepare for the worst, but of course remain hopeful for the best.



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swede
02-10-2008, 12:09 AM
Hi PeopleS,

no matter what happens between you and the lady of your heart, I'm quite sure, you'll enjoy yourself, if you want to.

Most of the FSU is still unspoiled by tourists, and the variety of streetlife and opportunities for social life are usually very authentic.
Even after 18 years in the east, I still take in the impressions with pleasure. Not that I'm the museum type or go to concerts, but a lot of art arrangements and music activities exist, normally at low cost.

Maybe it's unnecessary to say this, but stay away from the touristtraps.
It's all bad imitations, as the girls there are.

Anthony Ferrara
02-10-2008, 09:01 PM
Goddiejens,

Hi I am from America and I have been a member of ruladies.com for more than a year now. I have been corresponding with a Wonderful Young Woman also in Krasnodar. I was shocked and disheartened to learn of your ordeal-Truely! I have on a few occassion's spoken to Diana via phone and she was alway's polite and respectful to me so I have no problem's with her so far! I also voiced my concern to my Lady this week in a letter and she made it clear to me she is nothing like Marina and her Intension's for me are True and Sincere!! Well, I am Sorry you had a bad experience and I Hope your new Lady will stay Honorable and simply be Truthful with you at all Times!! In this day of Internet Courtship's it is bound to Happen that a confused and scammer Lady will get into trouble be Deception's, Lie's and Manipulateing a Good Man's Heart and Wallet!! Well, I know this because I was scammed a few year's ago by a Unkraian Wpman who is now in Prison-I Despise Liar's and Thief's and I Love to put them in Jail where they belong!! Well, One Victory for the Good Guy's but how many other's do nothing? I Fear to think of how many Men have done nothing but simply lived in silent shame and humiliation!!! Well, I have I suppose stated my opinion and I Hope I did not bore anyone! All Take Care and stay Well!!

Sincerely,
Tone

PeopleSmoks
02-10-2008, 10:17 PM
Hey swede! Believe it or not, I can be the museum type if the mood strikes me. Being that I'm going someplace completely different from anything I've ever experienced, I hope that should things not work out with "my girl", that my curiuosity will take hold and I will find some interesting things in Luhansk. I've checked the net and found some things that I plan to check out.

Tone, I hope things work out for you. Do you have any plans to meet this girl? The meeting is a big deal, and I'm finding that out more and more every day as my trip draws near. Good luck!

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swede
02-10-2008, 10:31 PM
PeopleS,

in a way I've always envied people going to museums. But it honestly bores me to death.

But each to his taste. What I really enjoy to visit are the enormous open markets, you'll find everywhere. If anything authentic and representative exist of a culture, it's a market. Both considering the goods sold and also the special atmosphere.


Tone,

how did you get her to jail (if it was you doing it)? I tried to take my UA "fianc?e" to court. A project I spend several months on without any result. Had she lived in the west, she would have had severe problems with the legal system, but not in FSU.

PeopleSmoks
02-11-2008, 03:32 AM
Hey swede! To me, the museums would only prove boring had I been there before. Since it will all be new, I plan to go in with eyes wide. Being winter, I doubt there will be much to see in "open" markets, but I do plan to see all I can if my meeting goes in the crapper!!!

I also wonder about prosecution in the FSU. Things have certainly changed, but just how much??? A scammer with a few of the "hard earned" dollars he or she acquired from various marks should have more than enough to make a couple of pay offs. Let's face it, with wages being what they are in Ukraine, in particular, I could stay there for a few years and not work with the cash I have in the bank, and I'm far from rich! A decent scammer must make okay money by general FSU standards, and paying off a cop or two can't be that hard? Can it???

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Goddiejens
02-11-2008, 04:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by Anthony Ferrara


Goddiejens,

Hi I am from America and I have been a member of ruladies.com for more than a year now. I have been corresponding with a Wonderful Young Woman also in Krasnodar. I was shocked and disheartened to learn of your ordeal-Truely! I have on a few occassion's spoken to Diana via phone and she was alway's polite and respectful to me so I have no problem's with her so far! I also voiced my concern to my Lady this week in a letter and she made it clear to me she is nothing like Marina and her Intension's for me are True and Sincere!! Well, I am Sorry you had a bad experience and I Hope your new Lady will stay Honorable and simply be Truthful with you at all Times!! In this day of Internet Courtship's it is bound to Happen that a confused and scammer Lady will get into trouble be Deception's, Lie's and Manipulateing a Good Man's Heart and Wallet!! Well, I know this because I was scammed a few year's ago by a Unkraian Wpman who is now in Prison-I Despise Liar's and Thief's and I Love to put them in Jail where they belong!! Well, One Victory for the Good Guy's but how many other's do nothing? I Fear to think of how many Men have done nothing but simply lived in silent shame and humiliation!!! Well, I have I suppose stated my opinion and I Hope I did not bore anyone! All Take Care and stay Well!!

Sincerely,
Tone


Hi Anthony,

thanks a lot for your post. Unfortunately you confuse something what I posted here before. I do not critizise Diana or complain about this translator. She was very friendly to me there, too. The translators are all very friendly to all guests and visitors there, they always offered me coffee and I thanked them with chocolates. On the other hand, they all have boyfriends, so I respected that always and did not even try to invite one of these friendly beautiful Russian ladies for a snack after work.

I am only missing the pictures. And I left my private mail address to Diana, she agreed with me to send me the pictures but she has not done it. This is the only little issue which now I have with her. Very little, I really do not blame her.

I only warn here all guys to trust in Marina the massager!!! It is very bad style of this lady to be there with me in the intro-meeting and then in a restaurant and then in the moment I leave all my 15 kgs of gifts to her she gives me a little kiss (which is a very lot for a Russian lady!) and the promess to see me again for more hours 3 days later ... that finally 2 days later she only sends me a mail via the agency channel saying that she would not want to meet me anymore because of her dad does not want her to see me and she also had changed her opinion now ... well, my comment on this attitude "Matilda! Matilda! Matilda, she takes me money and runs Venezuela!" (as a known songtext says).

So please, I do not blame translators there. And my second lady there who I dated, Natasha, she gave me her private mail address, so I do not blame her. But Marina did not give me anything than doing never kept promisses and simulating being nice to me, then she took what she could get and left me lonely and alone in a town which I don't know ... I would never treat so bad someone who comes from far away like Russia to meet me and get to know me. Shame on Marina!!!

Goddiejens

swede
02-11-2008, 11:08 AM
Hi Jens,

unpleasant as it has been for you (and I know how you feel, I've been through it myself), you hopefully have learned something from it. Maybe now you feel hurt or misused, but as you know, time will heal all wounds.

Personally I'm not very good at this kind of situation, it always takes me a long time to get in balance again afterwards, but I think it is very important not to become bitter. Bitterness can turn inwards and spoil one's life and make later positive contacts difficult.

I have become more wary now, but I'm still optimistic about people, untill they have proved me wrong.

Anthony Ferrara
02-11-2008, 12:49 PM
Hi Peoples and Swede!

I Hope all is Well with both of you! Thank You for your comment's and Yes I fully Intend to go to my Lady and of course Marry Her, Well this is both of our Intension's so there is No Secret between Us! Thank You Peoples for you Well Wishes!!
Swede, my ordeal with my scammer was alittle over 2 year's ago and I hired a private investagator in the Ukraine. He is now retired but he was ex Police and Paramilitary and he found her thru his own mean's although it took allmost 6 week's but for me the price of about $40.00 USD average per week was a Bargain!! I had forwarded information about the Woman and copies of the pertinent letter's she sent me discussing money which was to cover her air fare round trip to come to me-She stated she allrady had a Passport and Visa, Well I think that at least the Visa was a Lie! Well, there was enough information and the court convicted her of Indenity Theft and Internet Fraud!! I also think if I remember correctly she had her own computer so they were also able to take it and get additional info off of it, Ahh, No Surprise there-I was not the only one She had and was Scamming!!:(:( Well, in closeing on this matter, my hardest chore was to wait for her to land at O'Hare International airport by Chicago, of course it took me about 4 hour's of waiting to determine she was not going to show and she never answered my phone call's nor returned them either!! Well so far I Hope my update has been of service!
I would also like to offer a few item's of advice. Alway's go with a Marriage Agency and check thier reputation, this can normaly be done on the Internet-"Normaly". I did this befor I joined RU Ladies and I found nothing negative at that time! I have also stated in my previous letter that the Angency's Manager "Diana" has been Respectful and Polite to me when I have called and Never Hesitated in answering any question's I have given to her, so again I have no problem with her or a few of her co worker's-Oksana and Ksenia.
Well People I Hope my experience's have been Helpful and if all of you Wish let's continue to stay in touch!! Stay Safe and Well and may all of your searches find you in the arm's of a Truely Wonderful Wife!!:D
Sincerely,
Tone

Anthony Ferrara
02-11-2008, 01:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by Goddiejens


quote:Originally posted by Anthony Ferrara


Goddiejens,

Hi I am from America and I have been a member of ruladies.com for more than a year now. I have been corresponding with a Wonderful Young Woman also in Krasnodar. I was shocked and disheartened to learn of your ordeal-Truely! I have on a few occassion's spoken to Diana via phone and she was alway's polite and respectful to me so I have no problem's with her so far! I also voiced my concern to my Lady this week in a letter and she made it clear to me she is nothing like Marina and her Intension's for me are True and Sincere!! Well, I am Sorry you had a bad experience and I Hope your new Lady will stay Honorable and simply be Truthful with you at all Times!! In this day of Internet Courtship's it is bound to Happen that a confused and scammer Lady will get into trouble be Deception's, Lie's and Manipulateing a Good Man's Heart and Wallet!! Well, I know this because I was scammed a few year's ago by a Unkraian Wpman who is now in Prison-I Despise Liar's and Thief's and I Love to put them in Jail where they belong!! Well, One Victory for the Good Guy's but how many other's do nothing? I Fear to think of how many Men have done nothing but simply lived in silent shame and humiliation!!! Well, I have I suppose stated my opinion and I Hope I did not bore anyone! All Take Care and stay Well!!

Sincerely,
Tone


Hi Anthony,

thanks a lot for your post. Unfortunately you confuse something what I posted here before. I do not critizise Diana or complain about this translator. She was very friendly to me there, too. The translators are all very friendly to all guests and visitors there, they always offered me coffee and I thanked them with chocolates. On the other hand, they all have boyfriends, so I respected that always and did not even try to invite one of these friendly beautiful Russian ladies for a snack after work.

I am only missing the pictures. And I left my private mail address to Diana, she agreed with me to send me the pictures but she has not done it. This is the only little issue which now I have with her. Very little, I really do not blame her.

I only warn here all guys to trust in Marina the massager!!! It is very bad style of this lady to be there with me in the intro-meeting and then in a restaurant and then in the moment I leave all my 15 kgs of gifts to her she gives me a little kiss (which is a very lot for a Russian lady!) and the promess to see me again for more hours 3 days later ... that finally 2 days later she only sends me a mail via the agency channel saying that she would not want to meet me anymore because of her dad does not want her to see me and she also had changed her opinion now ... well, my comment on this attitude "Matilda! Matilda! Matilda, she takes me money and runs Venezuela!" (as a known songtext says).

So please, I do not blame translators there. And my second lady there who I dated, Natasha, she gave me her private mail address, so I do not blame her. But Marina did not give me anything than doing never kept promisses and simulating being nice to me, then she took what she could get and left me lonely and alone in a town which I don't know ... I would never treat so bad someone who comes from far away like Russia to meet me and get to know me. Shame on Marina!!!

Goddiejens


Hi again Jen's!

My Apologies, My Intension was not to accuse you of anything and Yes I Truely feel badly for your experience, of course I was not there dureing your visit so I do not have personal experience with this Lady as you did but I also understand that there are 2 sides to every story also! I see it this way, if She was not Interested in you at your meeting-for any reason-She should have been Honest and Respectful to you and told you so at that time and not simply been distant and send you a good bye letter! Again My Apologies to you and I Hope your new Lady will maybe be the right one for you!!

Sincerely,

Tone

swede
02-11-2008, 02:54 PM
Hi Tone,

it's really wonderful news, that it's possible to prosecute now in FSU
(at least some places). I think, that this will be still another nail in the coffins of scammers, they are not stupid.

But it will probably take some time still, before it will have general effect, so the need for our presence here is not ended.

PeopleS,

open markets are like the ideal american mailman. "Neither rain nor snow etc." Besides they also have a lot of shopping-mall like markets, only much more individualised. I didn't see a single supermarket in Sevastopol, only "oldfashioned" shops. Very charming. And they have an infinite patience with foreigners trying to explain, what they want to buy. If you don't intend to marry them or such, it's a lovely people.

Anthony Ferrara
02-11-2008, 05:04 PM
Hello again Swede!
Thank's for your input and Yes I agree with you that we all are far from finished here in this anti scam site! I see it also this way, to me this is War-plain and simple because there are alot of Criminal's here in the internet that do not give a second thought to the damage they inflict on people due to thier Insatible Greed and Total Selfishness! I know that most if not all Criminal's are on the internet because they do not Wish to be seen or caught and Frankly they are Great Coward's and hide in the internet,Yes they are All True Coward's!! Damn then All I say!!!! You know I just remembered something my scammer said to me, She Swore to God She would Never Lie to me or Steall from me and would be Loyal only to me for Life, Humm, What a Stone Cold Liar She is and Yes She is a She!! Well Folk's none of us have to Worry about her, at least not for the next 8+ year's and I am sure She will be a much changed Woman when She leaves prison and is once again free! I Hope She has learned a lesson, Action's Speak Louder than Word's-Alway's and they have Reprocustion's and Responsibilities too! I am Sorry if I sound Frigid but She made her own bed, She has to now Sleep in it!!!! Well, enough of my past Heartache's but I Hope some day She will realize the Pain and Suffering She has caused a numerous Men and only She and God know how many She has Hurt!! Well enough for now and Thank You all for your opinion's and support!

Sincerely,

Tone

Goddiejens
02-12-2008, 04:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by swede

Hi Jens,

unpleasant as it has been for you (and I know how you feel, I've been through it myself), you hopefully have learned something from it. Maybe now you feel hurt or misused, but as you know, time will heal all wounds.

Personally I'm not very good at this kind of situation, it always takes me a long time to get in balance again afterwards, but I think it is very important not to become bitter. Bitterness can turn inwards and spoil one's life and make later positive contacts difficult.

I have become more wary now, but I'm still optimistic about people, untill they have proved me wrong.


Thanks, Swede and Anthony,

you are right that the way should not be to conserve the pain. I only published here so much about it because I want to show other people who contact ladies of ruladys.com that we all need to be very careful to trust some lady there. The reality to meet them is absolutely different from all the sharing of sweet words before in the correspondence.

Now I use the possibility to contact ladies for free in first mail. This is the special offer in this month by uadreams.com. May be that my next trip goes to Ukraine. Ukraine is much easier and cheaper than Russia. No visa necessary for citizens of the European Union, so I can arrive in the day time and look for a not so expensive room to stay there at the place.

I put many questions in my first mail. Is the lady really ready to learn asap English (with a pc language trainer...)? Does she say that she takes decision about her relation only herself or is the opinion of parents and whoever important for her? Is my age or anything in my profile a problem for her? Would she take many hours of time and really care of me whenever I am there to come together with her or are studies and jobs of more priority for her in such case? And, finally, in case that she is really interested in finding me and partnership I ask to let me know in which month she would have most free time to take care of me there.

I just have collected nice answers. All the requests to get to know each other better by correspondence ... I don't care of it because for my opinion the correspondence is not the trigger to make her falling in love with me, it is only the trigger to improve the business results of uadreams.com. Important is the real meeting there. And if one mail (for free) has been sent out and received before I can make clear that I showed just some months before that I am interested in her ... .

I go this way now. And a next travel will be followed by a next travel report here, guys.

Goddiejens

PeopleSmoks
02-13-2008, 02:05 AM
Hey Jens! I for one will speak for many who have not voiced their thanks for your postings here. I promise to do the same on my trip. You're right about Ukraine being a bit cheaper. Ukraine per capita is about $100 USD per month less than Russia, so money goes a bit further. The Ukraine government welcomes most foreigners as they see us as an economic boon. US citizens don't need a visa either!

As I find my Ukrainian sweetheart to be more and more questionable as my trip approaches, I still hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I started writing to another girl in the same city. Even if that doesn't work out, I hope to hang out and make some contacts while I'm there.;)

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liketosmooch
02-15-2008, 03:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by Goddiejens

Hi Peoplesmoks,

I asked about the 3 couples in wedding party pictures on the wall of the office of ruladys.com. The translators told me that the really married people did not want to have put their pics there so that these pics are not real ones of results achieved by the office!

What would you experience in Krasnodar, Peoplesmoks?

First of all, they all work or study & work. So they all have time after work, may be from 7 pm or 8 pm. ALL THE OTHER DAYTIME YOU ARRANGE YOUR PROGRAM YOURSELF! So you are not attended in the daytime. If you do not speak Russian ... it would be just a problem for you to buy a map of the city ... . And your meeting(s) could only be successful with a paid translator.

Please imagine, you are alone all the day and then from 8:30 pm to 10 pm you sit in a restaurant or cafeteria with your favourite lady and a paid translator. After one hour your favourite lady and the translator start to show you how tired they are from work ... . And as I just told you, HANDS OFF!!!, they are untouchables!!! SHE decides when you can hold her hands. SHE gives you the first kiss someday ever or never comes... .

In the daytime you can walk around a little as I did. At night you can go to a nightclub of bar as I did not do.

So I arrived on Saturday and thought that my favourite lady would have time for me because Marina informed me about holidays and not jobbing from that Saturday and the following week. But when I was there I had to face a different reality. She well had to work on Saturday, too, beauty & wellness centers for ladies have peak seasons on weekends! So she had time for me from Saturday 7 pm. Then her father bothered with phonecalls every 10 minutes so the communication failed ... she promissed to see me again may be not on Sunday but on Monday and for sure some more hours on Tuesday ... but on Monday I received only a "nice" letter from her saying that it would not work out with us ... she would not meet me again. I left 15 kgs gifts to her (sweets...) on Saturday night, I paid the taxi and left her some more money that she takes a taxi to see me asap, and she did not only say goodbye to me, I was lucky to receive a little kiss from this beauty! I hope you can understand my frustration when I read the letter from her on Monday in the morning in an internetcafe which was hard to find there.

I am not a sextourist because I have never and I would never pay for sex to any lady, I do not go to any prostitute or places of prostitution. But "joining hearts" is different from "stayfriends", isn't it? The lady shares a lot of mails with me and tells me also some very sex-relevated fantasies ... for the final pic in the office of the agency after the first official meeting she came a bit close to me and I could put my left arm around her shoulder sitting there on the sofa with her ... but then she is untouchable! This is like washing without water!!!

They are really cold, Peoplesmoks! They are as cold as the ground in Sibiria now.

Don't think that they suffer from bad living conditions and need to look for the way how to go west! Last year was a very good year for all Russians, also the poorest ones received more there, and they are more happy there now whenever! They have family members and friends there, they would miss a lot abroad! So you are welcome if you bring in a lot of money for their business ... because they all dream of own business ... in such case you might have a chance.

Diana S. #175 works as translator in the office of ruladys.com in Krasnodar, sometimes in managing position. She told me that she has a boyfriend. But her profile says that she "looks for her second half".

"Type of man I decide... It is quite had question to answer. I could write a book about it. But lets get serious. I don't have any special type of man I would want to meet. I value such qualities as intelligence, sense of humor, honesty, openness, possibility to understand other person and many many others. Ask yourself ? did you meet such person? And I guess the answer would be ? no. If a man doesn't have one or more qualities I like, it doesn't mean that I might not like him. So I can say that I am open for new meetings and experiences. And I always believe that if the man doesn't have some quality, he would have another personal quality which would be even better. I am hopeless optimist. And this is my life position."

Ksenia S. #214 : I had not conversation with this translator. Bus she is much much more beautiful than in the video and on the pics!!! She was one week on holiday and came back last week. In Russia working people get 1 week paid holidays, only. They can have more holidays but unpaid only! The working time per day in fulltime jobs is 9 hours and more. And the prices are similar to the prices in Belgium or Netherland based on the rate to change euros in rubles.

Well, guys, welcome to reality whenever you go there!!! For me this has been my only and last experience with Russian untouchables and lack of service in Russia. I had to pay 25 euros penalty because my visa expired the day before I left Russia. My late departure was fault of AEROFLOT, they did not provide the flight back from Krasnodar to Moscow ... and at midnight in Moscow I had to go to 3 different places to arrange the hotel voucher with AEROFLOT, fully packed with all my baggage through Sheremetyevo 2 and then 1 ... and then 40 minutes more in the queue at the reception of NOVOTEL at Sheremetyovo 2 ... so that after 1 am I achieved to sleep there.

Flight back to my place in Western Europe there was again snowfall in Moscow and delay ... I needed to pay 70 euros for the taxi at night then to come home from the airport. So in case you arrange your visa for Russia yourself please please ask for 2 more to prevent that you have to pay a 25 dollar penalty fee in case of such inconvenience!!!

Enough comments and advices. I will remove my profile at ruladys.com in these days. May be I go and collect another experience in Ukraine this year. But then, no mails before (to save this money) and only dating online the lady at the place there with the option to date another one in case that she is not available there... .

I wish you a good travel, Peoplesmoks!!!

I wish you so very very very much that you have success!!! (But I am honest enough to say that success in such date would surprise me very very very much!)

Goddiejens

swede
02-15-2008, 04:25 PM
Hi liketosmooch,

hope you'll feel at home here on the forum.

I'm sorry, but I have the impression, that something was missing from your post. As far as I can see, you only posted something from Jens.

Goddiejens
02-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Hi Swede,

you are right. I have the same impression. I would also like to know the comments of liketosmooch here. Hopefully he comes back to us here.

Goddiejens

skipped
02-17-2008, 09:03 PM
Maybe liketosmooch is affiliated with RUladies??? Post and disappear, is that some kind of a message? Hopefully will hear from that individual again!!

Anthony Ferrara
02-17-2008, 10:23 PM
Humm, Ditto everyone!!

Sincerely,

Tone

liketosmooch
02-21-2008, 04:41 PM
Sorry to all. This was my first on this site and i was really trying to send a email to Goddiejens. What I had asked. Has anyone had contact with marina S # 142 in the Krasnodar branch. I have been writing her for almost a year I had set up a trip to meet her. And at this point is when i found this site. It really made me think twice about was I was getting ready to do. Now I do not know if this is something I still wish do to. I now know the office is real ..the girls are real. But it sounds like they are just in it for the money. i guess this is a decision i will need to make. But if I decide to go .You can be sure I will keep all posted.If this all a rip off i will be sure not to take anyone down with me. I will only speak the truth. Thanks again to all
quote:Originally posted by Goddiejens

Hi Swede,

you are right. I have the same impression. I would also like to know the comments of liketosmooch here. Hopefully he comes back to us here.

Goddiejens

swede
02-21-2008, 06:54 PM
Hi Liketo...

It depends on yourself. Be strong enough to expect the worst and hope for the best. There's ALWAYS hope in life.

I've made an enormous amount of mistakes in my life, but as PeopleS cited: What doesn't kill you, will make you stronger.

So go on with it.

PeopleSmoks
02-21-2008, 08:22 PM
Hey liketosmooch! It's pretty much as swede says. If you decide to take the trip, just make sure you have other plans beside the one girl. It may sound messed up to say, but have a "plan B" just in case.

I leave in one week to see the girl I've been writing to since August, and her last two letters have been about pushing back my trip because she's "depressed". As our meeting has drawn closer, I feel more and more like I'm reading letters written by an average American b!tch with attitude and issues.

I basically told her, oh well, I'll be in Ukraine next week... hope to see you, but if not, I'll have things to do![8D]

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skipped
02-22-2008, 02:12 AM
Funny, when you actually talk about going to visit a lady in the Ukraine they seem to always mention giving them much notice so they can work you into their schedule. Hmm. You know after 6 months of "sweet nothings" via letters I think they should be able to modify their schedules to spend sometime with a guy "whom these ladies claim to have an interest", and has just flown 6 or 7 thousand miles too meet them!! I mean if they made that kind of effort to fly here and meet with me, I would take the month off and show up at the airport a day early. Measure the red carpet I purchased too make sure the length is approperiate enough too reach from the plane my precious will be arriving in too my vehicle in parking lot!!! It's very upsetting! But, I am still going to visit just because I want to know the truth!!! And honestly, at times I think I'm a little brainwashed as well. But this is all o.k. because life only goes around once!!!

PeopleSmoks
02-22-2008, 10:05 AM
Hey skipped! It continues with this girl. In the letter I composing now, I basically tell her that, I'll be in Ukraine next week. If you don't want to meet me, I'm sure I'll find something to do without her. I originally had planned to go in early December, but she insisted on late Feb, early March because of her exams and I agreed. Now she wants to postpone again???

I told her I'm not looking for an indefinite cyber-relationship with a penpal, and that our future is pretty much dependent on what happens next week. We'll see what happens. Either way, I plan to enjoy my vacation!!!![8D]

PS Because of the way this girl has been lately (demanding and worrying only about what she wants), I've started writing to plan B... a nice girl in the same city, who wishes to meet next week.[:0]

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Anthony Ferrara
02-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Hi All!

Well, I was intrigued to read this article! Best Wishes Smoks re your trip to your Lady, I Hope all goes Well and why she is Depressed...Humm, makes no sense to me! My Woman will be Elated when I can come to Her, She said so and her shareing of feeling's at this thought made her very excited, this she has made clear numerous times now!! Sooo, I am Hopefull!! I also Wish the Best to Skipped too! I think none of us need to Apologise to ourselves or anyone else for our willingness to take a chance to find True Love! I think of it this way, Courage is needed to find Love-Wherever it Lives! Myself I think True Love exsist's, not Simply Sex Love!! I say to anyone who say's True Love does not exsist? Wake up and see Reality! I see thing's maybe alittle less clouded so to speak, I do not wear rose colored glasses nor do I over indulge in Fictional belief's however I like to sometimes Dream alittle-Nothing Wrong with this after all we all seek our Dream Ladies and if we finaly find the Truthful One then we have found the Woman of our Dream's!! Clear enough!;) I have of course given my over view here not detail's!

Sincerely,

Tone

PeopleSmoks
02-22-2008, 10:27 AM
Hey Tone! No rose colored glasses here either. Reality is that I started writing to another girl two weeks ago when the girl I plan to see started showing signs of not being so thrilled that our meeting was fast approaching.

It's not a matter of go there to have random sex, but it would be nice to have someone to hang out with during my stay. I keep one foot firmly planted in reality and so either way, I plan to enjoy my trip!!![8D]

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Anthony Ferrara
02-22-2008, 10:43 AM
TY Smoks!

I too Hope your trip will be a Success and I think all of us here Wish the same! Humm, I think whether your Success is with Lady #1 or #2 or ?? You have the opportunity to Succeed!! Hey, also if you have Never been to the Ukraine it should be one heck of a vacation! Based on my limited info the Ukrainian People are Fascinated with American's so I think you should have a Great Time and it should be a Life changeing experience for You-Get alot of Photo's!!!!;)
I have to say I Wish I was going with you, Well I would divert to Semperfolo? to simply have a cup of coffee with a Lady I corresponded with for a year but She ended the relationship due to personal problem's and then exited the UA ladies site! Well, my full attention is on my Dearest Dorogaya in Krasnodar!!

Sincerely,

Tone ;)

PeopleSmoks
02-22-2008, 08:22 PM
Hey Tone! You do know that Krasnodar is in Russia?

But as for my trip, it's my first trip overseas! If nothing else, I can thank the girl in Ukraine for giving me such an incentive as to put away the cash for the trip, and give myself what I hope to be a great vacation. I have also read some nice articles about tourism in Ukraine. (NOT SEX TOURISM, although that is also thriving, sadly enough.)

I read that Ukraine's economy is still behind most of their FSU neighbors and they welcome foreign cash injections. I've also heard that the people are generally friendly toward foreignors, unlike here in the US.

There is a great pre-Soviet history there, and of course some remains from the USSR as well. If you get into museums and cathedrals, they have some really nice ones. Many of the cathedrals have been renovated to pristine condition.

Yes, I plan to take a sh!t load of pics!!!! I'm actually taking 5 disposable cameras (135 possible pics). Disposable camera??? Ok, we've all heard about the guy who asked someone to take his picture standing in front of whatever attraction and the stranger with the camera takes off running with the $500 Nikon!!! I 'm probably having knee surgery when I get back, so although I would do an incredible amount of damage to the guy who stole the camera, with my knees, I'd never catch him!!!! Disposables all the way!!!

I appreciate your well wishes for my trip. You sound like I did as Jens was preparing for his trip. Those of us who are seriously hoping to find our "dream" girl always root for the others to be successful, especially the guy who takes the trip right before you do.

It's funny that you mention a cup of coffee. I had told "my" girl, that my greatest hope for our first meeting was for her to allow me to hold her hand across the table as we sipped coffee together and talked.

I'm a bit down about the way she is being all of a sudden, but I'm far from suicidal over it![8D]







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Anthony Ferrara
02-23-2008, 02:20 AM
Hey again Smoks!

Yes I know Krasnodar is in Russia, the south west part not far from the Black Sea! I have also viewed about 50+ photo's of Krasnodar and they even have a Ford Dealership, Humm, Interesting!! Well, Again Best Wishes!!;)


Sincerely,

Tone

PeopleSmoks
02-23-2008, 02:45 AM
I only know about Krasnodar, because my first scammer claimed to be from there! Last I saw, she was from Bryanka Ukraine! Like most of the cities, I thought it looked quite nice form the pics I saw. I doubt I'll ever go there at this point though.

I hope you have a good time and a fruitfull meeting when you go![8D]

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skipped
02-23-2008, 03:13 AM
Hey out there??? Anyone try to e-mail that gal "Alena" who married the U.K. guy? I tried but it said that e-mail had no match? If anyone else tries let me know if it goes through. Thanks

liketosmooch
05-20-2008, 11:06 AM
Hello to all.I have just returned form a week in Krasnodar.For those who wonder the office and the women are for real.The women that I went to meet did Was not the peson in relality she seemd to be after writing her for a year.But this all worked out for the better.As I did meet to wonderful women form the agency and we have agreed to keep in touch with personal emails.I would need to say this trip was a success.and all was well

liketosmooch
05-20-2008, 11:06 AM
Hello to all.I have just returned form a week in Krasnodar.For those who wonder the office and the women are for real.The women that I went to meet did Was not the peson in relality she seemd to be after writing her for a year.But this all worked out for the better.As I did meet to wonderful women form the agency and we have agreed to keep in touch with personal emails.I would need to say this trip was a success.and all was well

skipped
05-20-2008, 09:43 PM
hey likestoosmooch,
Do you think that they doctored up the letters that you wrote her over that last year to hold your interest? Or just that she was not near as interesting in person? -thanks

skipped
05-20-2008, 09:43 PM
hey likestoosmooch,
Do you think that they doctored up the letters that you wrote her over that last year to hold your interest? Or just that she was not near as interesting in person? -thanks

liketosmooch
05-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Skipped
I think thet may have doctored then in some ways. But most was from Marina 142. I do trust the ladies at ruladys .they where very helpful in meeting other women.And two of these girls are for real and very interesting. I think you are better off just going there to meet them without long correspondence

liketosmooch
05-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Skipped
I think thet may have doctored then in some ways. But most was from Marina 142. I do trust the ladies at ruladys .they where very helpful in meeting other women.And two of these girls are for real and very interesting. I think you are better off just going there to meet them without long correspondence

David
07-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Yep, I agree with the previous post. Sure thing it would be first good to get to know the person, I mean the girl before spending that much money to come to her country even not knowing if you have some common interests. Personally, I would write a couple of letters to a bunch of girls, let them know I would be coming and then off to meet with all of them. I guess it would be a smart thing to do. What do you guys think?

Cheers!

David
07-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Yep, I agree with the previous post. Sure thing it would be first good to get to know the person, I mean the girl before spending that much money to come to her country even not knowing if you have some common interests. Personally, I would write a couple of letters to a bunch of girls, let them know I would be coming and then off to meet with all of them. I guess it would be a smart thing to do. What do you guys think?

Cheers!

seajay
07-07-2008, 06:26 AM
quote:Personally, I would write a couple of letters to a bunch of girls, let them know I would be coming and then off to meet with all of them. I guess it would be a smart thing to do. What do you guys think?

There is no easy answer. Most of us want to know about the lady first, rather than spending time and money on an extreme 'maybe'. A man who can willy-nilly punt on a 'maybe' is, by my measure, affluent enough to attract a woman half his age in his OWN country.

But I agree that there is only so much you can discover about each other by correspondence, or even by phone. Most communication signals between people are non-verbal.

seajay
07-07-2008, 06:26 AM
quote:Personally, I would write a couple of letters to a bunch of girls, let them know I would be coming and then off to meet with all of them. I guess it would be a smart thing to do. What do you guys think?

There is no easy answer. Most of us want to know about the lady first, rather than spending time and money on an extreme 'maybe'. A man who can willy-nilly punt on a 'maybe' is, by my measure, affluent enough to attract a woman half his age in his OWN country.

But I agree that there is only so much you can discover about each other by correspondence, or even by phone. Most communication signals between people are non-verbal.

thatcrazy
08-10-2008, 08:36 AM
quote:Hello to all.I have just returned form a week in Krasnodar.For those who wonder the office and the women are for real.The women that I went to meet did Was not the peson in relality she seemd to be after writing her for a year.But this all worked out for the better.As I did meet to wonderful women form the agency and we have agreed to keep in touch with personal emails.I would need to say this trip was a success.and all was well

You have an amazing grasp of the English language for someone who supposedly is from the USA.

swede
08-10-2008, 01:04 PM
At least this special variety doesn't sound like the FSU adaption of english, I've met.

PeopleSmoks
08-10-2008, 01:36 PM
Hey guys, play nice! Although, I make some attempt toward using good grammer in my posts, it isn't a prerequisite here as far as I am arware. But it is a bit suspicious...[:0]

Maybe smooch is originally from somewhere else? Or he just sucks at typing???[8D]

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dreamsr
08-10-2008, 01:44 PM
Let's go with originally from somewhere else.

liketosmooch
08-10-2008, 01:49 PM
Ok I was trying to be helpful.And you are right my typing sucks.But at least I am for real. So good luck guys

PeopleSmoks
08-10-2008, 02:44 PM
Smooch, I hope you're not going to get all pissed about that crap? Like I said, I personally put effort into my grammer... most of the time, but if your typing sucks, well that's just how it is.;)

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liketosmooch
08-10-2008, 02:48 PM
No problem I just need to try to type a little better. As for Krasnodar. The one girl from there has met me and we went to St Martin. We do plan to get together again. Wonderful woman

PeopleSmoks
08-11-2008, 06:36 PM
Hey smooch! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope it happens for you!!!!! It gives a little hope to the rest of us poor dumb bastards!!!!!!!!!!!

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P.S. Yea, work on the typing just a bit!!!!!!!!!!!:D