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David
01-26-2008, 08:10 AM
I am in this dating thing for pretty long time now. Right at the moment in Poltava. This hotrussianbrides.com site have many offices around Ukraine and I was only in one of them which is in Poltava. So, I met with this woman I had been writing to for pretty long time and she spoke some English and I had a chance to talk with her without agency's translators. So, she said she never wrote any emails herself and all of her emails were written by someone from the agency. I was shocked because all those letters I got from "her" were so romantic and I hated to realize that the agency was lying to me all the time. The prices for their services is a rip off, but I thought it was okay as long as I meet someone nice and sincere. It turned out all this was just a waste of time and money. I thought I should share this with you so you guys don't make the mistake that I made. Regards.

PeopleSmoks
01-26-2008, 10:32 AM
Hey David! Come on buddy, unless you're that new at the FSU/MOB dating thing, you should have realized something was fishy about the site when you first logged on and ten, 18 to 20 yo hotties instantly wanted to chat with you! (None of whom spoke English!) Unless you look like Fabio, it's unlikely to happen in the real world.

I went on there with the free membership, with NO PHOTO, my correct age, 44 and was immediately swarmed by future child brides less than half my age. Not a good sign!!![V]

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scamfree
01-27-2008, 07:56 AM
www.hotrussianbrides.com
isnt it one of those dodgy sites attached to site to date or date me free??? but mate if you are experienced at internet dating,hate to tell you they are not real anything that starts with "HOT" your wasteing your time......

ham
01-28-2008, 06:51 AM
quote: hate to tell you they are not real anything that starts with "HOT" your wasteing your time......

well, that is true.
Although not exclusive (you can find crooks under neutral brand names, too ), beware of pompous and catchy names, eg "hot", "model", "nude", "sexy", "sincere", "real"...
why would anyone want to emphasize their women are real?
Hell, it is supposed to be that way, remember?
How would "honest Igor" know "how honest" his women are? Can he guarantee anything?
And any man targeting "nude models" should have his head checked.
And yes, there used to be a few big "nude bride" FSU sites, too...
Sure, we all like beauty queens, but since we are going the MOB route it means we are getting none right now.
[:o)][xx(]
If we don't get "hot models" at home, why would we abroad?
Sure, we can pay, show some hot mercenary a good time and get rewarded...but we can do that at home, too.
Mind you, I always said a 5-man is likely to be in the position of getting a 7-8 FSUW, but forget the 9s and 10s.
In my book, a 7-8 woman is a pretty woman, but she is not a head-turner or glamorous vixen; just the pretty girl next door.
Barney can say that he has been divorced two times already, and he's not wasting time & money to wander the MOB route "just" for a girl next door...he wants his buddies at the steel mill...ops, sorry...Rolls Royce club [:o)] to envy him his trophy.
Next, I heard in Barney's county lives this great divorce lawyer named Ira Epstein, who also minored in women's studies and got a M.A in "victimology"...
[xx(]

PeopleSmoks
01-30-2008, 09:14 PM
quote:And yes, there used to be a few big "nude bride" FSU sites, too...
Used to be????????? Take off "safe search" on google and type in MOB or sexy Russian women and see how many nude sites pop up. There are plenty out there, all probably tied to one parent company somehow.

I checked out Hot Russian Brides. Within 10 seconds, there were a dozen 18 to 22 year olds who wanted me to do live video chat with them. Sure you can see the girl in the profile photo "live", but that still doesn't mean much more than just the fact that she's there typing.

Most of these girls' profiles say they have poor English, so you're right back to dealing with whatever the translator says anyway, and they're probably engaging 10 other guys at the same time they're chatting with you. AND OF COURSE IT WILL COSTS "CREDITS"!!!!!!

Also, if you bother to read the propaganda they say about themselves, "All the women must show them a valid ID to get on the site and they call the girls weekly to verify their intentions." I've heard that one before!!!![V]

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ham
01-31-2008, 06:48 AM
quote:Used to be????????? Take off "safe search" on google and type in MOB or sexy Russian women and see how many nude sites pop up. There are plenty out there, all probably tied to one parent company somehow.

i haven't specifically searched MOB agencies for a number of years...

PeopleSmoks
02-01-2008, 12:58 AM
quote:i haven't specifically searched MOB agencies for a number of years...
Maybe you should? I don't suggest paying money to join any of the sites, but if nothing else, to see how some things have changed in the marketing of FSU/MOB sites since your illgotten venture.

Seriously, turn off "safe search" (as if you have it on anyway!)and google Mail Order Brides, or Sexy Russian women and take a look at all the crap that your search engine spits out. Log onto sites like RBrides.com, HotRussianBrides.com and few of the others discussed and you will get a fresh outlook on the crap scammers a doing now.

I'm sure that with your experience, you'll be able to tie this stuff together with the scams of old. And as you surf these sites and view the profiles which are obviously scammer fodder, think to yourself, "some poor bastard probably just paid $$$ to join and more $$$ to some scammer for whatever reason. You know it's happenning, or else all the scammers would dissappear!!!

Check it out![8D]

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ham
02-01-2008, 07:09 AM
well, i relayed my findings about a few dating or MOB sites I visited when receiving some pest email ads.
A niche Canadian site for French speakers featured things like same photos for different bios; photos from known porn models; photos from glamour models or blatant photoshop jobs like
http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=926
[by the way that profile "just vanished"... [:o)] ].

I guess nothing but the level of sophistication changed from 1997.

Anyways I was NOT referring to agencies or sites that use nude or sleazy pics to psych suckers up among other things; I was referring to agencies catering SPECIFICALLY and EXCLUSIVELY to nude seekers.
In other words another porn site with its paraphenalia of webcams, chats and "contact info of the stars to get laid tonight"...

[:0][B)]

PeopleSmoks
02-01-2008, 10:57 PM
Plenty of those sites too ham! I think it's BadRussianGirls.com ? Basically a collection of nude photos of models and escort girls. What's sad is that there's some guy in Nebraska who thinks that naked Olga with the perky breasts and shaved nether region is in love with a corn farmer.

HotRussianBrides.com is full of video chat girls 18 to 22. It costs "credits" to play, so imagine how much money they're taking in for a guy to video chat with a girl?

As I see it, real girl, paid model or scammer, they have to be making a fortune! The site claims over 17 THOUSAND girls, worldwide (not just FSUWs) Even if a full half the profiles are filler, that's still alot of scamming potential!

Maybe, it's the way of the future??? Think about it... one real girl on camera typing on a keyboard... 30 translators actually writing lines to 30 different guys from behind the curtain! It's beautiful!!!!

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ham
02-02-2008, 05:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by PeopleSmoks

Plenty of those sites too ham! I think it's BadRussianGirls.com ? Basically a collection of nude photos of models and escort girls. What's sad is that there's some guy in Nebraska who thinks that naked Olga with the perky breasts and shaved nether region is in love with a corn farmer.

HotRussianBrides.com is full of video chat girls 18 to 22. It costs "credits" to play, so imagine how much money they're taking in for a guy to video chat with a girl?

As I see it, real girl, paid model or scammer, they have to be making a fortune! The site claims over 17 THOUSAND girls, worldwide (not just FSUWs) Even if a full half the profiles are filler, that's still alot of scamming potential!

Maybe, it's the way of the future??? Think about it... one real girl on camera typing on a keyboard... 30 translators actually writing lines to 30 different guys from behind the curtain! It's beautiful!!!!

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This is what I know first hand:
I knew a decent, honest, mom&pop dating dealer in Ukraine; his agency featured only a few hundreds women from the same neighborhood, without any supermodel or preteen lovesick fairy.
he claimed he had arranged in over 10 years had arranged only a handful marriages and said he wouldn't bother with fake testimonials because lies ultimately don't pay.
He went from employing say ten translators or so full time in the hay days of the MOB fad ( say still up to 3-4 years ago ) but had scaled down to just a couple.
This says all.
A person I knew in Ukraine tried to set up a "webcam" site but failed...too much competition i suppose.
Other people invested considerable amounts of money to set up a glamour marriage agency (you know, only supermodels, some of whom "borrowed" from the stable of an amateur pornographer I knew ), but went forfeit within the year.

PeopleSmoks
02-02-2008, 12:55 PM
The closest thing to a small "mom & pop" site that I've seen is a site that someone posted here on another thread. I'll repost it later if I can find the info. The agency is in Lugansk. They only have about 90 to 100 profiles listed and they even post their address on the site. No guarantee of legitimacy, but it sounds like a good start?

No real super-models, and I have in fact seen the profiles of a couple of the girls on other sites and their names and profile info is the same, but with a few different photos (of the same girl). I might check this place out in person when I take my trip.

It's possible that the people you refer to that started sites and failed were trying to be 100% legit? With all the scam sites out there, unless these people had some way to catch the eye of prospective male customers, I would imagine the flashier scam sites could easily put a small legit agency out of business.

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swede
02-02-2008, 03:25 PM
I think, it would be interesting, if anybody could see any difference between my targeted group of women (50-65 years of age) to those younger.

No doubt you'll also find freelancing or agency-supplied scammers there, but both concerning the "market" for this age group and the attitude of such (real) women, there probably would be a difference to the younger generation.

ham
02-02-2008, 04:54 PM
quote:It's possible that the people you refer to that started sites and failed were trying to be 100% legit? With all the scam sites out there, unless these people had some way to catch the eye of prospective male customers, I would imagine the flashier scam sites could easily put a small legit agency out of business.

while I won't claim they epitomized virtue, I saw no "trick of the trade", no gimmick, no "guarantees", no rows of suspicious (and engineered) testimonials, no pubescent supermodels lusting after old goats...
He once mentioned he didn't want any trouble, and I think that with women the "quality" he had gathered, he stood no chances anyways to compete against "candy store rip-off fraudulent" sites with 20.000 women on shelf, bikini and nude sections, webcams, videos, whatever.

The nature of men is the reason scammers & dodgy agencies exist!

I'm not saying his women were "ugly", but they were "next door" kind of women...no head turners, no 21yo women seeking men "age 18-99"; a sizable portion of older women (40yo+).
Men have often unrealistic expectations.
I am not saying pubescent hotties are bad, but I'm afraid Barney, Chen, Jamal and Pedro (and Ham) [:o)][:0][B)] will have to keep it to the free porn sites.
What is a head-turning vixen dressed to kill photographed in glamorous studio pictures trying to tell her potential suitors?
No more than I would tell if I leased a Rolls Royce and a tuxedo...

ham
02-02-2008, 05:07 PM
quote:I think, it would be interesting, if anybody could see any difference between my targeted group of women (50-65 years of age) to those younger.


young women lack no supply of potential suitors, both their age and older, in spite of whatever some happiness mongers might say about how men outnumber women there...
Young women are usually mindless and with attitude problems: the sky is the limit.

[B)]:D

It starts going downhill from 30yo...the supply of potential suitors decreases exponentially.
They may look as good as one wants out of the shower, but average Barney with money to waste is likely to focus on women in their 20s, even if he's 63.
At the same time domestic men will have developed (or will be developing ) whatever problem might be (drinking, abusive behaviour, debts etc ), so waters mud there, too.
At say 35 to 40+ she might be at her peak sexual and bodily charm...but who's paying attention?
So these women have to be wiser, for any occasion might be the last one.
At the same time, life is likely to have taught them a lesson or two, and the mindlessness and attitude problems might have reduced or gone in a woman of normal, unobtrusive behaviour (=not the broad with 800 grams of makeup who paces the bar scene every night ).
A 21yo may still think she'll make it to an Emmy award... a 42yo probably knows she has to bend over for her boss just to keep her low profile clerical job...

swede
02-02-2008, 05:33 PM
Well, this may ofcourse be my personal taste, but I've seen quite a few (for me) very attractive women past 40, even 50. But whereas you don't see many of that agegroup on the international sites (with a FSUW majority), there'll be quite a lot of them on "specialised" sites (like religious, lifestyle etc) and on neighbourhood sites.

And I'm quite convinced, that such women are real, and most of them non-scammers. (Though ofcourse their characters can be questionable).

So I'll stick with my thesis, that scamming is more common amongst FSUW. Otherwise, if they (the FSUW) really wanted romance etc. they would hang around after 50. Believe it or not, there is a big market for women past 50, as the neighbourhood sites demonstrates.

PeopleSmoks
02-02-2008, 11:11 PM
quote:At say 35 to 40+ she might be at her peak sexual and bodily charm...but who's paying attention?
I have to say that in my adventures, I've seen some pretty darned hot looking FSUWs who claim to be 30+, and even 40+ yo in their profiles. My personal experience with my well publicized "X", has eliminated anyone with kids from my search, and my desire to have kids pushed me toward a search for a girl a bit younger than myself (28 to 34ish), but the 30+ and 40+ hotties are out there.

During my search, I found plenty of 30+ yo scammers, so it's not completely isolated to the 18 to 25 yos. In fact, I think the 30+ yo scammers are the ones who can be the most dangerous to a guy who is aware of scamming because he may exclude them from his suspicions. They may place ads seeking men only 10, 15 or 20 years older, whereas an 18 yo seeking a man 25 to 75 seems wrong from the start to anyone not holding his manhood in his hand as he browses profiles.

quote:At say 35 to 40+ she might be at her peak sexual and bodily charm...but who's paying attention?
I would be if I didn't have this desire to have kids. Like I said, I've seen some gorgeous FSUWs 40+.

quote:The nature of men is the reason scammers & dodgy agencies exist!
YUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote: I think, it would be interesting, if anybody could see any difference between my targeted group of women (50-65 years of age) to those younger... And I'm quite convinced, that such women are real, and most of them non-scammers. (Though ofcourse their characters can be questionable).

As I said, I've seen them out there, but few and far between. Again, the age doesn't mean they aren't scamming, it just means they aren't scamming 30 to 50 yo guys. I'm seeing that regardless of a man's realistic goals, the potential for a scam still exists.

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