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    Default WHATS THE ATTRACTION ???

    I asked this question but nobody seemed to have a anwser? But i found anwsers in another forum under a title "are they worth it"
    Judge for yourself!!!

    Sep 26 2005 : 20:51:38

    What is the big attraction that so many guys want a foriegn bride??
    From what ive been reading it looks like alot more work than its worth and risky. The only reason im on this site is because i find it somewhat entertaining! After recieving a response from a Russian girl and we started emailing each other, i became suspicious, by the 3rd letter when she wouldnt anwser any questions.Thats when i started investigating and found these forums.I have been approached by 3 others since. Out of the 4 i think one could be real? time will tell,Even if she is i dont think it would be worth all the time, effort and money. I cant help but feel that with all of the culture changes, missing family-homesick, language barrier etc.And with what ive read in some postings to what has happened after men brought them back to there home, country etc. many got there clocks cleaned and there hearts broken.So knowing all of this i ask- WHATS THE ATTRACTION??
    Mike

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    Are Russian women really worth all of the scams, lies and dishonesty?? It all depends on what you are looking for.
    Personally, I regard them very highly. But would I ever consider marriage with one?? Not a chance !!
    I know them much too well to ever have such a foolish idea.
    I have said this many times. If you REALLY want to know about these women. Ask a Russian man and learn the truth.
    Stop being internet dummies, believing what you hear from marriage agencies, Russian women, and western keyboard romeos.
    How many success stories do you hear about longterm Russian women/Western men relationships? Very, very few.
    How many scam stories do you hear? Very, very many.
    They are simply not compatible with western culture. It is just too much for them to learn in such a short period of time.
    Maybe in 100 years they will step out of their 19th century mentality, but for now, they have too much to learn.
    Very nice play things, but not real marriage material.

    I have actually meet two Russian girls married here and my impression was that they were not really happy here..it sounds like fun to them to go to the West but when they realise the streets are not paved with gold and money does not grow on trees and lifes realities, life in the West becomes tarnished to them pretty quickly..it is a different world for them..we have no Opera theatres or none of those cultural things they take for granted everyday in the FSU..operas and concerts are too expensive and out of reach here and most Western men are not interested in anyway with such things..we like to watch football on t.v etc...not go to a concert for 5 hours and sit and watch something you don't understand..many Western men find that boring and its incomprehensible to a Russian or FSU women why we found such things "boring"..I personally would go to sleep during one of those events!
    Russian women think Western men are "weird" and most have a low opinion of them.
    Some Russian girls or individuals scam, some do this internet bride profile thing as a novelty and not serious and some look at the West through "rose colored glasses" and do not do there research before coming here and become unhappy.

    Very few Russian/Western marriages succeed and most are doomed because of the huge differences in culture and mentality for these girls..they are incapable of understanding us and our ways.

    Seriously guys..my advice is to forget about it and get a local girl or stay alone ( you can relieve your sexual frustration at a brothel far cheaper than importing an FSU girl )..your better off.
    You are courting scam or disaster with FSU internet brides!

    If a guy decides to play the internet marriage agency game, my advice is DO NOT take any of it seriously. 50% of the time, the girl that YOU THINK that you are writing to, is really someone else. 50% of the time, the girl that YOU THINK is developing a realtionship with you, is also writing to 20 other guys, making them think the same thing. The odds are stacked way against a successful outcome. The agencies themselves couldn't care less. Bottom line is they don't care about anything other than your money.
    Internet love does not work in most cases and it never will. It only leads to frustration and anger.

    This is the reality with internet dating..full of scam, lies and failures..don't take this thing seriously, guys!
    99.9% chance of scam or failure with internet dating..don't waste money with agencies that do not allow exchange of members private e-mail addresses or charge exorbitant fees.
    Most agency databases are cross shared,stolen or sold and re-sold over and over..the databases become so old the girls are not available anymore or its full of scammers.
    Look Russian /FSU women are fine for there countrymen.
    You can't uproot something from an "alien culture" and expect it to adapt and be happy in the West (US, Canada, Australia etc.).
    Its like taking a plant that grows only in the tropics and then planting it outside in the Antartic..it will not grow..IT DOES NOT WORK!
    Russia etc. is a great country for these girls..they should stay there with the family, friends and culture, they have always known and be happy.

    That's a damn good comparison. I never thought of it like that but it makes good sense. Especially since most of them have the mind of a plant.
    Here are some other reasons.
    1. Very insensitive women and many of them just don't like men in general.
    2. Very unforgiving women. If you piss one off, they tend to stay pissed. Sometimes FOREVER !!
    3. Very unemotional women. They would much prefer to tell you a lie, rather than say what is really on their mind.
    4. Very overrated women. I think that they probably believe all of this Marriage Agency/Internet crap more than we do.
    5. Very selfish women. Normally the most important thing in a Russian womans mind is herself. Aside from her 'blood family' she will care very little about anyone else.

    THE ODDS ARE STACKED WAY AGAINST YOU!

    If you were to travel to some of the smaller places in Russia (Ryazan, Kazan, Ufa, Samara) you would be totally amazed at what you would see. Aside from Moscow and St Petersburg, and the uninhabited areas, the entire country is nothing more than a huge ghetto. Very limited modern facilities and nothing more than basic Soviet era housing. In many ways, socialism is still a way of life and will be for the next 100 years.
    The typical Russian woman knows very little about the modern world other than cell phones and the internet.
    A western guy entering into a relationship with a Russian woman will need alot of time to even begin to understand the mentality. Cultural differences and language barriers can be overcome, but it takes a very special kind of girl to be able to step out of the 'dark ages' and into the moI don't advise involvement with a Russian/FSU women..they are over rated by the hype and lies of interent marriage agencies..the reality is a nightmare.
    It takes a LOT OF PATIENCE, UNDERSTANDING AND MONEY TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND MARRY A RUSSIAN/FSU WOMAN AND THE MARRIAGES WILL NOT LAST...98% OF WESTERN MEN CAN NOT HANDLE THE EMOTIONAL, MENTAL AND FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THIS..THEY ARE TOO DIFFERENT IN MENTALITY AND CULTURE.
    dern world. Most of them can not do it.

    All men and women too make mistakes and errors of judgement from time to time as WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND NOT PERFECT but to to have a "mentality" to hold on too grudges for life as a lot of FSU women do, ruins the relationship..such a woman I would dump in the garbage and move on because why should a man put up with such sh*t!
    These women are the type that will do the "cold shoulder, silent, not talk to you for days, treatment if you do something which is in there eyes wrong, even if it is trivial" and I don't like that sort of thing..its very stressful!

    These women all seem to think that we are stupid or something. But it is very easy to sense when something is not right with a woman. Even with only e-mail.


    Its really sad that this does exist and many people are hurt from it.
    I probably would have been one of them.I was lucky,I became suspicious
    and found these forums.Speaking for myself i just don't think its worth the headache or heartbreak.
    I thank everyone for this forum.[^] Mike
    Female Scammers from Nigeria, Ghana, Russia, Ukraine and Philippines

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    wow, toymaker. that was nice.

    but do not worry about me, i can take a little heat from those two. i do appreciate what you said, though.


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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    scam magnet, how many Russian ladies have you got to know in real life? just give me the number.

    sonar, the same question to you. you said, you had several.
    Well ElenaG,lets just say more than 6. Three were very beautiful, sweet and loving women. Not a scammer bone in their body. (Damn, I should have married one of them). Three more were also very beautiful but more interested in money than anything else. There were also a few short-timers along the way but I won't get into that.
    My present girl is from Moscow.
    By the way, you mentioned that you are always on the hunt for scammers. Why is that?? Just curious.

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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    scam magnet, how many Russian ladies have you got to know in real life? just give me the number.

    sonar, the same question to you. you said, you had several.
    Well ElenaG,lets just say more than 6. Three were very beautiful, sweet and loving women. Not a scammer bone in their body. (Damn, I should have married one of them). Three more were also very beautiful but more interested in money than anything else. There were also a few short-timers along the way but I won't get into that.
    My present girl is from Moscow.
    By the way, you mentioned that you are always on the hunt for scammers. Why is that?? Just curious.

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    no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.

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    no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.

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    quote:Originally posted by toymaker

    no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.
    That is pretty funny. I wonder what is your estimate as to how many are actually looking for the BUCK?? As far as protection goes> give me a break man. Protection from what?? Some mousy internet scammer?? What the hell is a scam hunter anyway??

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    quote:Originally posted by toymaker

    no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.
    That is pretty funny. I wonder what is your estimate as to how many are actually looking for the BUCK?? As far as protection goes> give me a break man. Protection from what?? Some mousy internet scammer?? What the hell is a scam hunter anyway??

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    i have to say, yes, what is a scam hunter? personally i think this forum has taken a U turn and totally moved away from what it was originally made for. namely to discuss and help each other from possible being scammed. learn from each others experience and mistakes.

    want to be a scam hunter? dead easy....... open a few profiles on free dating sites. post a lot of rubbish. like you are 5ft 1, built like a brick house, bald and whatever BUT MAKE SURE you say live in England, USA, Australia or something like that.

    heck! i have even had letters saying that liked my profile and my profile had nothing in it!!!!!

    but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.

    but most of all, are the members on here looking for an eastern bride? or are the members on here "would be sherlock holmes"?

    i have about 6 ladies i write to. one i met last week.

    i will be honest, we DID have a couple of arguments. namely, according to her, she works on the basis of "cannot leave work until it is finished" and she can be called in on saturdays and sundays as well. i saw her bring work to her apartment to finish. she did it so that she could leave work early, we can go out and when i go to sleep she will do the work ready for the next day to take with her. yeah, according to what she said she has a very good salary (for a russian. she earns about US$350 a month). but hells bells, she works hard for it. i saw her still working at 3 am! and she had to go to work at 8 am!

    i have met her family. great folks. met them twice. once invited to their home. nice spread of food (i said to Nadya that i like to try russian food. her mother must have cooked for at least two days and it was all russian food). to reciprocate, we invited them out for a meal. nobody forced me to do that. her dad kept on insisting he will drive me from Yaroslavl to Moscow just in case i get lost going back on the train by myself. at average speed that is 6 hours to moscow and 6 hours back driving. i thanked him but politely said no. he insisted he gives me his "going away" army watch as a present. he also was going to give me some books from his army time. but i said no. they were momentoes and i could not take them.

    is an eastern girl worth it? maybe yes. maybe no. time tells is the old proverb. but if you have a woman who after you meet her, is prepared to wait for you for 2, 3 or 4 months, before you see her again, think about it!

    you meet her. she falls in love with you. she tells you that she will be home every evening waiting in case you call her. she changes her life to wait for you.

    as far as i can understand it, they look at it as if you are in the services and have to go away on duty.

    how many western women will do that after just meeting somebody for say 2 weeks? yeah she may say she loves you. will she be faithful? maybe for the first week. after that......

    so what do i wish to say? chill out guys. either be a sherlock holmes or try and find a decent woman. use your head. think. read her letter two three four times. most probably she uses an online translator. translators make mistakes. look at different variants to what she wrote. (try reading william shakespeare and learn how to read a story). if you do not understand anything ask her to explain. do not assume. assume is actually three words. ass you me. if you assume you make an ass of you and me. understand english is not her first language. i have walked into shops and asked if she speaks english. i get told "a little". then i get "hmmmmmm da da hmmmmmmmm niet hmmmmmm. ok. then she flaps her hands, and says DA?"

    try patience. you speak english. she is trying to talk to you. maybe she has learnt a little bit of english. maybe using a translator. anybody on here ever wrote a letter back to a russian in russian? i have. (not Nadya but somebody else I write to). simple reason. she could not work out how to use a translator. she writes to me in russian. i translate it. then i write back to her in russian using a translator.

    chill out guys. if you use your head you will not be scammed and maybe find a nice lady. unless you have a 9mm next to your head, if you part with your money, it is because you wanted to.

    to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

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    i have to say, yes, what is a scam hunter? personally i think this forum has taken a U turn and totally moved away from what it was originally made for. namely to discuss and help each other from possible being scammed. learn from each others experience and mistakes.

    want to be a scam hunter? dead easy....... open a few profiles on free dating sites. post a lot of rubbish. like you are 5ft 1, built like a brick house, bald and whatever BUT MAKE SURE you say live in England, USA, Australia or something like that.

    heck! i have even had letters saying that liked my profile and my profile had nothing in it!!!!!

    but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.

    but most of all, are the members on here looking for an eastern bride? or are the members on here "would be sherlock holmes"?

    i have about 6 ladies i write to. one i met last week.

    i will be honest, we DID have a couple of arguments. namely, according to her, she works on the basis of "cannot leave work until it is finished" and she can be called in on saturdays and sundays as well. i saw her bring work to her apartment to finish. she did it so that she could leave work early, we can go out and when i go to sleep she will do the work ready for the next day to take with her. yeah, according to what she said she has a very good salary (for a russian. she earns about US$350 a month). but hells bells, she works hard for it. i saw her still working at 3 am! and she had to go to work at 8 am!

    i have met her family. great folks. met them twice. once invited to their home. nice spread of food (i said to Nadya that i like to try russian food. her mother must have cooked for at least two days and it was all russian food). to reciprocate, we invited them out for a meal. nobody forced me to do that. her dad kept on insisting he will drive me from Yaroslavl to Moscow just in case i get lost going back on the train by myself. at average speed that is 6 hours to moscow and 6 hours back driving. i thanked him but politely said no. he insisted he gives me his "going away" army watch as a present. he also was going to give me some books from his army time. but i said no. they were momentoes and i could not take them.

    is an eastern girl worth it? maybe yes. maybe no. time tells is the old proverb. but if you have a woman who after you meet her, is prepared to wait for you for 2, 3 or 4 months, before you see her again, think about it!

    you meet her. she falls in love with you. she tells you that she will be home every evening waiting in case you call her. she changes her life to wait for you.

    as far as i can understand it, they look at it as if you are in the services and have to go away on duty.

    how many western women will do that after just meeting somebody for say 2 weeks? yeah she may say she loves you. will she be faithful? maybe for the first week. after that......

    so what do i wish to say? chill out guys. either be a sherlock holmes or try and find a decent woman. use your head. think. read her letter two three four times. most probably she uses an online translator. translators make mistakes. look at different variants to what she wrote. (try reading william shakespeare and learn how to read a story). if you do not understand anything ask her to explain. do not assume. assume is actually three words. ass you me. if you assume you make an ass of you and me. understand english is not her first language. i have walked into shops and asked if she speaks english. i get told "a little". then i get "hmmmmmm da da hmmmmmmmm niet hmmmmmm. ok. then she flaps her hands, and says DA?"

    try patience. you speak english. she is trying to talk to you. maybe she has learnt a little bit of english. maybe using a translator. anybody on here ever wrote a letter back to a russian in russian? i have. (not Nadya but somebody else I write to). simple reason. she could not work out how to use a translator. she writes to me in russian. i translate it. then i write back to her in russian using a translator.

    chill out guys. if you use your head you will not be scammed and maybe find a nice lady. unless you have a 9mm next to your head, if you part with your money, it is because you wanted to.

    to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

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    I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know.


    quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
    you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

    I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight.

 

 

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