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    Default WHATS THE ATTRACTION ???

    I asked this question but nobody seemed to have a anwser? But i found anwsers in another forum under a title "are they worth it"
    Judge for yourself!!!

    Sep 26 2005 : 20:51:38

    What is the big attraction that so many guys want a foriegn bride??
    From what ive been reading it looks like alot more work than its worth and risky. The only reason im on this site is because i find it somewhat entertaining! After recieving a response from a Russian girl and we started emailing each other, i became suspicious, by the 3rd letter when she wouldnt anwser any questions.Thats when i started investigating and found these forums.I have been approached by 3 others since. Out of the 4 i think one could be real? time will tell,Even if she is i dont think it would be worth all the time, effort and money. I cant help but feel that with all of the culture changes, missing family-homesick, language barrier etc.And with what ive read in some postings to what has happened after men brought them back to there home, country etc. many got there clocks cleaned and there hearts broken.So knowing all of this i ask- WHATS THE ATTRACTION??
    Mike

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    Are Russian women really worth all of the scams, lies and dishonesty?? It all depends on what you are looking for.
    Personally, I regard them very highly. But would I ever consider marriage with one?? Not a chance !!
    I know them much too well to ever have such a foolish idea.
    I have said this many times. If you REALLY want to know about these women. Ask a Russian man and learn the truth.
    Stop being internet dummies, believing what you hear from marriage agencies, Russian women, and western keyboard romeos.
    How many success stories do you hear about longterm Russian women/Western men relationships? Very, very few.
    How many scam stories do you hear? Very, very many.
    They are simply not compatible with western culture. It is just too much for them to learn in such a short period of time.
    Maybe in 100 years they will step out of their 19th century mentality, but for now, they have too much to learn.
    Very nice play things, but not real marriage material.

    I have actually meet two Russian girls married here and my impression was that they were not really happy here..it sounds like fun to them to go to the West but when they realise the streets are not paved with gold and money does not grow on trees and lifes realities, life in the West becomes tarnished to them pretty quickly..it is a different world for them..we have no Opera theatres or none of those cultural things they take for granted everyday in the FSU..operas and concerts are too expensive and out of reach here and most Western men are not interested in anyway with such things..we like to watch football on t.v etc...not go to a concert for 5 hours and sit and watch something you don't understand..many Western men find that boring and its incomprehensible to a Russian or FSU women why we found such things "boring"..I personally would go to sleep during one of those events!
    Russian women think Western men are "weird" and most have a low opinion of them.
    Some Russian girls or individuals scam, some do this internet bride profile thing as a novelty and not serious and some look at the West through "rose colored glasses" and do not do there research before coming here and become unhappy.

    Very few Russian/Western marriages succeed and most are doomed because of the huge differences in culture and mentality for these girls..they are incapable of understanding us and our ways.

    Seriously guys..my advice is to forget about it and get a local girl or stay alone ( you can relieve your sexual frustration at a brothel far cheaper than importing an FSU girl )..your better off.
    You are courting scam or disaster with FSU internet brides!

    If a guy decides to play the internet marriage agency game, my advice is DO NOT take any of it seriously. 50% of the time, the girl that YOU THINK that you are writing to, is really someone else. 50% of the time, the girl that YOU THINK is developing a realtionship with you, is also writing to 20 other guys, making them think the same thing. The odds are stacked way against a successful outcome. The agencies themselves couldn't care less. Bottom line is they don't care about anything other than your money.
    Internet love does not work in most cases and it never will. It only leads to frustration and anger.

    This is the reality with internet dating..full of scam, lies and failures..don't take this thing seriously, guys!
    99.9% chance of scam or failure with internet dating..don't waste money with agencies that do not allow exchange of members private e-mail addresses or charge exorbitant fees.
    Most agency databases are cross shared,stolen or sold and re-sold over and over..the databases become so old the girls are not available anymore or its full of scammers.
    Look Russian /FSU women are fine for there countrymen.
    You can't uproot something from an "alien culture" and expect it to adapt and be happy in the West (US, Canada, Australia etc.).
    Its like taking a plant that grows only in the tropics and then planting it outside in the Antartic..it will not grow..IT DOES NOT WORK!
    Russia etc. is a great country for these girls..they should stay there with the family, friends and culture, they have always known and be happy.

    That's a damn good comparison. I never thought of it like that but it makes good sense. Especially since most of them have the mind of a plant.
    Here are some other reasons.
    1. Very insensitive women and many of them just don't like men in general.
    2. Very unforgiving women. If you piss one off, they tend to stay pissed. Sometimes FOREVER !!
    3. Very unemotional women. They would much prefer to tell you a lie, rather than say what is really on their mind.
    4. Very overrated women. I think that they probably believe all of this Marriage Agency/Internet crap more than we do.
    5. Very selfish women. Normally the most important thing in a Russian womans mind is herself. Aside from her 'blood family' she will care very little about anyone else.

    THE ODDS ARE STACKED WAY AGAINST YOU!

    If you were to travel to some of the smaller places in Russia (Ryazan, Kazan, Ufa, Samara) you would be totally amazed at what you would see. Aside from Moscow and St Petersburg, and the uninhabited areas, the entire country is nothing more than a huge ghetto. Very limited modern facilities and nothing more than basic Soviet era housing. In many ways, socialism is still a way of life and will be for the next 100 years.
    The typical Russian woman knows very little about the modern world other than cell phones and the internet.
    A western guy entering into a relationship with a Russian woman will need alot of time to even begin to understand the mentality. Cultural differences and language barriers can be overcome, but it takes a very special kind of girl to be able to step out of the 'dark ages' and into the moI don't advise involvement with a Russian/FSU women..they are over rated by the hype and lies of interent marriage agencies..the reality is a nightmare.
    It takes a LOT OF PATIENCE, UNDERSTANDING AND MONEY TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND MARRY A RUSSIAN/FSU WOMAN AND THE MARRIAGES WILL NOT LAST...98% OF WESTERN MEN CAN NOT HANDLE THE EMOTIONAL, MENTAL AND FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THIS..THEY ARE TOO DIFFERENT IN MENTALITY AND CULTURE.
    dern world. Most of them can not do it.

    All men and women too make mistakes and errors of judgement from time to time as WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND NOT PERFECT but to to have a "mentality" to hold on too grudges for life as a lot of FSU women do, ruins the relationship..such a woman I would dump in the garbage and move on because why should a man put up with such sh*t!
    These women are the type that will do the "cold shoulder, silent, not talk to you for days, treatment if you do something which is in there eyes wrong, even if it is trivial" and I don't like that sort of thing..its very stressful!

    These women all seem to think that we are stupid or something. But it is very easy to sense when something is not right with a woman. Even with only e-mail.


    Its really sad that this does exist and many people are hurt from it.
    I probably would have been one of them.I was lucky,I became suspicious
    and found these forums.Speaking for myself i just don't think its worth the headache or heartbreak.
    I thank everyone for this forum.[^] Mike
    Female Scammers from Nigeria, Ghana, Russia, Ukraine and Philippines

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    I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know.


    quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
    you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

    I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight.

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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know.
    You must have a very busy life. Where do you go to actively seek out scammers? All that I have to do is post a profile somewhere and they actively seek me out.

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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know.
    You must have a very busy life. Where do you go to actively seek out scammers? All that I have to do is post a profile somewhere and they actively seek me out.

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    most of the time I do not have to go out to seek them, since the scammer reports are sent to my email address by dozens.

    But I realize that online chat rooms like this is where you have a good chance of meeting someone who is currently in the process of being scammed. That is good because:
    1) I can stay on top of the most current scam tendencies
    2) instead of "I have been scammed!" report you can later publish "I almost got scammed" report. That is a nice thing. the less profitable I make it for scammers, the less people (hopefully) will get involved in the scam industry.
    3) you can help the guy to play mind games with the scammers and extract as much info out of them as possible. I trully hope the prosecution of scammers is possible and once some officials in both countries will get enough complaints, the tide will start turning against the scammers. that's when I hope all that information will become handy.

    In general, I meet plenty of people who are in the process of being scammed (I have free scammer evaluation tools on my web site, so lots of folks write to me saying: "OMG!!! I just found out the girl I am writing to is a scammer! Thank you so much, you saved my life! I was falling for her, she sounded so sincere, I thougt I found a true soulmate, we seemed to me made for each other! (yeah, right... looking at their scammers' letters I can't help sometimes but think that only a 6-years old whos mental abilitiy was crippled by a severe case of spermotoxicosis could fall for THAT)".

    So, i don't have to come out to look for scammers, but I find it amuzing, plus as I said, not a dull moment on these forums (this one, RWG one, a couple more, but I don't visit those often), so why not.

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    most of the time I do not have to go out to seek them, since the scammer reports are sent to my email address by dozens.

    But I realize that online chat rooms like this is where you have a good chance of meeting someone who is currently in the process of being scammed. That is good because:
    1) I can stay on top of the most current scam tendencies
    2) instead of "I have been scammed!" report you can later publish "I almost got scammed" report. That is a nice thing. the less profitable I make it for scammers, the less people (hopefully) will get involved in the scam industry.
    3) you can help the guy to play mind games with the scammers and extract as much info out of them as possible. I trully hope the prosecution of scammers is possible and once some officials in both countries will get enough complaints, the tide will start turning against the scammers. that's when I hope all that information will become handy.

    In general, I meet plenty of people who are in the process of being scammed (I have free scammer evaluation tools on my web site, so lots of folks write to me saying: "OMG!!! I just found out the girl I am writing to is a scammer! Thank you so much, you saved my life! I was falling for her, she sounded so sincere, I thougt I found a true soulmate, we seemed to me made for each other! (yeah, right... looking at their scammers' letters I can't help sometimes but think that only a 6-years old whos mental abilitiy was crippled by a severe case of spermotoxicosis could fall for THAT)".

    So, i don't have to come out to look for scammers, but I find it amuzing, plus as I said, not a dull moment on these forums (this one, RWG one, a couple more, but I don't visit those often), so why not.

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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know.


    quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
    you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

    I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight.
    scam hunter? to me, sorry to say, it is ridiculous. i will tell you why......

    i have read profiles of people reported as scammers. some fair enough are scammers. others i find ridiculous. give you an example which comes to mind....

    woman with a child. she asked for help with internet costs. (i used internet cafe when in russia. it was about 3 roubles for a minute. i could run a bill of 200 roubles in one session). at 28 roubles to the dollar that is about 7 dollars. for a person who may be a single parent and on minimum income that is a fair price considering average wage seems to be in the region of 100 - 150 dollars a month. (you have to consider that some people may take a long time writing a letter. first she has to answer what is said to her. then she has to think of something to add. then have to translate using most probably an online translator and if her typing is not so good this can take time).

    the person who reported her said he sent her US$20 and she did not write back to him.

    jeeezzzzz wept man! US$20! first of all it will cost about the same in western union fees. secondly, if i was a single parent and wanted to find a person to possible get married to and sends me US$20 i will take it as an insult. come on! look at it. what future can a person forsee with such a mean person who only sends US$20! lets see a scenario.....

    married came to live in say USA or UK.

    dear John. I need a new dress she says

    you bought one two years ago he replies!

    and, anybody not got anything better to do then to try and "trick" people to see if they are scammers or not?

    so elenag, you post as a man trying to catch women?

    personally, if i had a wife, i would rather have her cuddling up to me, maybe watching tv, or a film or something then have her on the internet trying to be a detective.

    scammers:

    cuteonly.com rok1975 ID 19926 name: rahat. status: married. children: 2. living: London. origin: Kyrgyzstan age:29

    question: why is somebody who came to live in london (UK) at the age of 29, is married, with children and seeking a relationship with another man?

    answer: she used the man she married to get a visa and come over

    question: will i touch her with a barge pole

    answer: heck NO

    cuteonly.com Natasha2005 profile now removed. sent me same letters as Maria Pavlova. same templates. word for word.

    http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1214

    http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1213

    http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1212

    if some woman writes to me and she turns out to be a scammer fair enough. but wasting my time, literally writing to people, posing as a man to try and see if the person is a scammer or not! sorry but to me that is a sad life.

    can work out if a scammer or not in about 3 or 4 letters. for example:

    profile. http://www.faceparty.com/ba_ba_ba_badone

    that is my profile on there. it is just a daft stupid profile to have a laugh.

    if i get some woman writing to me saying she read my profile and liked it and wants to have a serious relationship with me........ yep a scammer. a decent woman will run a mile if she reads that profile. LOL.

    i have other profiles on other boards. some are just empty. just a name and age.

    i get a letter on there asking me to write because she liked my profile! take a wild guess what she is.

    personally i have not been fleeced by scammers. i HAVE sent money. but i did it out of my own will. anybody who asked me for money and i did not want to i said no.

    but this thing, posting........

    i have caught another scammer!!!

    ok, report her on the proper section. now why are you bragging about it? and all these posts, wondering..... is she. is she not. why?

    take it easy. chill out. write a few letters. you always have the chance of backing out and not writing to her again. its not like she lives round the corner!!!!

    and most of all, do not write as a desperate man seeking love. if a woman feels this she will fleece you.

    personally, i love reading their letters. some i find hilarious and actually look forward to the next letter. if i like the girl, i write. if i do not like her, i block her e mails and they just go to the deleted folder.

    if i find somebody i EEALLY like, then ok, i check her location (using a program i have on the pc). i check if she is using the bat. if she is using internet or home pc. but most of all, i use my head and think twice.

    and never fall in love until you at least meet her face to face.

    but wasting my time, chasing scammers. hell no.

    ohhhh and here is a letter i got today. i was laughing my head off reading it. (sorry weird sense of humour). i think this one is bleeding lovely:

    Hello Nick,

    Tell you abaut me - i am XXXXXX live in XXXXXXXXX. I have 2 sisters and 1 mather. I havnt father . I am manadger in transport company but 15 oktober i go out from there and will be find another work. I like ice - cream and shokolate. I dont like to go in bar or club. I like pikninks and play tennis. In my life i dont be in another contries .
    About my dreams- i wont to meet men hwu love me and hwu i wiil have lovd alweis an we live tigether in qwiet place.

    My negative line of the nature - i am very jealous, and i dont wont to love men hwu very love money - more then life.

    I foget yet i love to eat pizza


    Sorry for my bad english and i very wont continju to tolk with you

    p.s. i wrote back to her begging she will NEVER use a translator.

    to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know.


    quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
    you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

    I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight.
    scam hunter? to me, sorry to say, it is ridiculous. i will tell you why......

    i have read profiles of people reported as scammers. some fair enough are scammers. others i find ridiculous. give you an example which comes to mind....

    woman with a child. she asked for help with internet costs. (i used internet cafe when in russia. it was about 3 roubles for a minute. i could run a bill of 200 roubles in one session). at 28 roubles to the dollar that is about 7 dollars. for a person who may be a single parent and on minimum income that is a fair price considering average wage seems to be in the region of 100 - 150 dollars a month. (you have to consider that some people may take a long time writing a letter. first she has to answer what is said to her. then she has to think of something to add. then have to translate using most probably an online translator and if her typing is not so good this can take time).

    the person who reported her said he sent her US$20 and she did not write back to him.

    jeeezzzzz wept man! US$20! first of all it will cost about the same in western union fees. secondly, if i was a single parent and wanted to find a person to possible get married to and sends me US$20 i will take it as an insult. come on! look at it. what future can a person forsee with such a mean person who only sends US$20! lets see a scenario.....

    married came to live in say USA or UK.

    dear John. I need a new dress she says

    you bought one two years ago he replies!

    and, anybody not got anything better to do then to try and "trick" people to see if they are scammers or not?

    so elenag, you post as a man trying to catch women?

    personally, if i had a wife, i would rather have her cuddling up to me, maybe watching tv, or a film or something then have her on the internet trying to be a detective.

    scammers:

    cuteonly.com rok1975 ID 19926 name: rahat. status: married. children: 2. living: London. origin: Kyrgyzstan age:29

    question: why is somebody who came to live in london (UK) at the age of 29, is married, with children and seeking a relationship with another man?

    answer: she used the man she married to get a visa and come over

    question: will i touch her with a barge pole

    answer: heck NO

    cuteonly.com Natasha2005 profile now removed. sent me same letters as Maria Pavlova. same templates. word for word.

    http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1214

    http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1213

    http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1212

    if some woman writes to me and she turns out to be a scammer fair enough. but wasting my time, literally writing to people, posing as a man to try and see if the person is a scammer or not! sorry but to me that is a sad life.

    can work out if a scammer or not in about 3 or 4 letters. for example:

    profile. http://www.faceparty.com/ba_ba_ba_badone

    that is my profile on there. it is just a daft stupid profile to have a laugh.

    if i get some woman writing to me saying she read my profile and liked it and wants to have a serious relationship with me........ yep a scammer. a decent woman will run a mile if she reads that profile. LOL.

    i have other profiles on other boards. some are just empty. just a name and age.

    i get a letter on there asking me to write because she liked my profile! take a wild guess what she is.

    personally i have not been fleeced by scammers. i HAVE sent money. but i did it out of my own will. anybody who asked me for money and i did not want to i said no.

    but this thing, posting........

    i have caught another scammer!!!

    ok, report her on the proper section. now why are you bragging about it? and all these posts, wondering..... is she. is she not. why?

    take it easy. chill out. write a few letters. you always have the chance of backing out and not writing to her again. its not like she lives round the corner!!!!

    and most of all, do not write as a desperate man seeking love. if a woman feels this she will fleece you.

    personally, i love reading their letters. some i find hilarious and actually look forward to the next letter. if i like the girl, i write. if i do not like her, i block her e mails and they just go to the deleted folder.

    if i find somebody i EEALLY like, then ok, i check her location (using a program i have on the pc). i check if she is using the bat. if she is using internet or home pc. but most of all, i use my head and think twice.

    and never fall in love until you at least meet her face to face.

    but wasting my time, chasing scammers. hell no.

    ohhhh and here is a letter i got today. i was laughing my head off reading it. (sorry weird sense of humour). i think this one is bleeding lovely:

    Hello Nick,

    Tell you abaut me - i am XXXXXX live in XXXXXXXXX. I have 2 sisters and 1 mather. I havnt father . I am manadger in transport company but 15 oktober i go out from there and will be find another work. I like ice - cream and shokolate. I dont like to go in bar or club. I like pikninks and play tennis. In my life i dont be in another contries .
    About my dreams- i wont to meet men hwu love me and hwu i wiil have lovd alweis an we live tigether in qwiet place.

    My negative line of the nature - i am very jealous, and i dont wont to love men hwu very love money - more then life.

    I foget yet i love to eat pizza


    Sorry for my bad english and i very wont continju to tolk with you

    p.s. i wrote back to her begging she will NEVER use a translator.

    to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

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    I never posed as a man in my life!

    In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)

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    I never posed as a man in my life!

    In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)

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    quote:Originally posted by elenag

    I never posed as a man in my life!

    In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)
    hmmmmmm never heard that name before. Olga. i wonder. must be a very rare name. Olga. i have heard of maria, masha, inna, marina, alla, alena, elena, tatyana, yulenka, svetlana and loads of other names but Olga is kind of new name to me.

    lol, you try to trace an Olga in Russia, you need to check out one in ever 3 women living there!!!!! walk into a pub. shout Olga and half the women in that pub will turn thinking you have called her!!!! LOL



    to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

 

 

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