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  1. #1
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    Default Tourist Travels Russian And Ukrainian Women

    I have met several russian women.
    I have met them outside Russia.
    They had no problems going to local
    travel agency and buy tourist travel
    tickets to any european country.
    I met them in Denmark, Austria and
    Poland. They were all equipped with
    newest digital cameras, photo cell
    phones and travelled on international
    tours several times a year. So, yes
    the poor women exist, but it is not
    always the case.
    I need to know, if others can confirm that
    russian and ukrainian women can go on
    tourist travels, and also, through which
    travel agencies. I am now in need of
    trustable travel agencies in Nikolaev
    or other city in Ukraine. I saw on
    major ukrainian travel site that bus and
    train tours to for instance Berlin should
    exist.
    Sven Denmark

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    quote:Originally posted by sea61955

    I have met several russian women.
    I have met them outside Russia.
    They had no problems going to local
    travel agency and buy tourist travel
    tickets to any european country.
    I met them in Denmark, Austria and
    Poland. They were all equipped with
    newest digital cameras, photo cell
    phones and travelled on international
    tours several times a year. So, yes
    the poor women exist, but it is not
    always the case.
    I need to know, if others can confirm that
    russian and ukrainian women can go on
    tourist travels, and also, through which
    travel agencies. I am now in need of
    trustable travel agencies in Nikolaev
    or other city in Ukraine. I saw on
    major ukrainian travel site that bus and
    train tours to for instance Berlin should
    exist.
    Sven Denmark
    In the FSU there is a thin yet growing layer of "new russians" and (as with any country, EG China, Thailand etc ) there [u]are "rich" people.
    What matter to men going the MOB route is that these "rich" women are highly unlikely to go the MOB route.
    A self-assured woman with an upscale job and means to travel abroad will not die to meet some (probably) middle-aged and divorced westerner. I don't think they consider the MOB option at all.

    1. Are there "rich" women who can travel abroad? YES.
    2. Can they travel abroad? YES, with adequate $ resources.
    3. Do many qualify? NO.
    4. So can we meet such women on MOB dating sites? HIGHLY UNLIKELY.[u]

    It's the same about men: going the MOB route, can you meet some ladies' strip bar male hunk in his early 30's, making six figures net income as a neurosurgeon? I doubt so, in spite of what many posters on such forums may want you to believe.

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    Thanks for your reply.
    Please start by telling me, what MOB means.
    Generally, I think that what is going on in the anti-
    scammer society is too black and white, too biased.
    Then, I must tell you that I cant share your experience.
    Two of the women I met were not rich in any way. They
    just had reasonable jobs. One was salesman, the other
    was engineer. Nothing special. But they had modern cell
    and camera, good clothes, well make-up. They travelled
    both frequently around in different countries.
    The age difference between them and me was big,
    they were willing to start new life and relocate,
    but it was me that did not believe, it was the right choice
    for me. It was clear to me that these women from outside
    were not so much different from western women with regard
    to way of life and in materialistic terms. The difference
    seems to lie in different approach to life. These women feel
    deeper and more for the man. European women have strict rules
    for they want and not want, so the selection is narrow, but
    within this selection, they dont really care. They select super-
    ficious and dont do it for all life. Opposite the russian and ukrainian women are more open to love and when they make the choice, it is for one and it is for life. I try to find out about russian and ukrainian women in this dating universe.
    My experience is that the scam view on these women are correct for some, but not for all. And if you only move in the circles of
    scam view, you will never meet the new and modern type of these women.
    And with regard to scamming, I think that you have to be careful, but I think it cant be avoided, as many scammers are incredibly good. You must calculate some loss that you can accept down the line, if you wish to find the real and big love. This is at least my experience.
    Sven Denmark

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    http://www.geocities.com/a280872/FSUWs-income-UA.html

    The average monthly salary according to some credible sources is $198 for Russia/ $103 for Ukraine.
    How frequently would anyone afford travelling on those salaries?
    As i said, there [u]AREpeople who travel, but they are a paper-thin minority for obvious reasons.

    MOB=Mail Order Bride

    quote: The difference
    seems to lie in different approach to life. These women feel
    deeper and more for the man. European women have strict rules
    for they want and not want, so the selection is narrow, but
    within this selection, they dont really care. They select super-
    ficious and dont do it for all life.
    women are women; from another country, not another planet.

    Divorce rates?
    FSU & western divorce rates roughly compare (see link).
    UA divorce rate sky rocketed to 71% in 2000 ( +80% compared to 1990).
    This shows UA women very well are as "materialistic" or as influenced by economic trends than WWs.

    US divorce rate:


    quote:http://www.divorceandkids.com/divor...%20Statis tics

    http://www.divorcemagazine.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml

    http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

    Quote:
    :3. PROJECTION/PREDICTION. This is the Census Bureau's often-cited "50%" rate, the proportion of marriages taking place right now that will eventually divorce, which has since been revised downward to roughly 43% by the National Center for Health Statistics but was moved back up to around 50% by the Census Bureau in 2002, with even more ifs ands and buts than usual. Most recently, according to the New York Times, it has been revised downward to just over 40%.

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