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09-26-2008, 10:08 AM #1141Senior Member
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Hey guys! If this is her "introduction" letter, I don't really find it so strange that it's a standardized letter. For an intro, it's certainly much easier to use a form letter, and this applies to our intro letters to FSUWs as well.
What's disturbing is that she's been on UAL, now UAD, for two years without finding a suitable western mate. Certainly, an attractive girl wouldn't have any trouble finding a generous number of suitors, and a serious and/or real girl should be able to find one to get her green card from.[B)]
So, why Valyusha B. #4287 is still "available", is what's really disturbing and gives a person cause to wonder... A LOT!!!!!!!!![V]
10-04-2008, 03:38 PM #1142Senior Member
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Hey guys! UADreams has opened in China!!! Next stop... The Phillipines![V]
10-06-2008, 03:47 PM #1143Senior Member
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FROM I KILL SPAMMERS BLOG:
Monday, March 31, 2008
"Hello! I am bored this evening."
One of the more persistent types of spam out there lately is for a type of "Russian dating" sites by the name of "UALadys."
Their pitch nearly always looks like this:
Subject lines seen in numerous spam messages:
Why aren't you replying to me?
Can we talk?
Long time, no talk
I find you interesting
Where have you been?
We talked on the web.
Hello! I am bored this evening. I am nice girl that would like to chat with you.
Email me at Elizabeth@jolasite.com only, because I am using my friend's email to
write this. Wanna see some pictures of me?
As far back as July 2007, the messages looked like this:
Do not ignore me please,
I found your email somewhere and now decided to write you.
Let me know if you do not mind. If you want I can send you some pictures of me.
I am a nice pretty girl. Don't reply to this email.
Email me direclty at Elena@supervisioncare.info
They've also infiltrated several blogs and comment forms. You can see some examples here and here. As you'd expect, there are thousands of them.
I know this is from UALadys because I infiltrated their affiliate program. It's also very easy to track this down in terms of recruiting of illegal spammers by using that old standby: bulkerforum.biz.
Bulkerforum member "bulker" hits people up on the open forum to mail for his dating program
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:07 am
Post subject: Special dating program
Looking for some good mailers who can push the volume on highly converting dating program. Instant payments.
- you get the results, you get paid the same day
Then in private communication only, he describes how the spamming operation works:
yes, you wanted to find out about the dating program. the thing is pretty simple.
you send an email telling people that some girl wants to talk/chat to them and that if they don't mind, then they need to email at some email address that you get access to. you get paid for every 10k unique replies.
10k replies pays you $1500. i do it with some people. what good about this program is that you get the same minute you achieve something.
so like you do 5k replies today, i can pay the same minute. the other thing is that these kind of emails that contain no link to the website and look like personal emails do pass filters very easily and do not score anything on spamassin and do not get listed on razor for ages.
Which would explain why they routinely keep showing up to several accounts I and many of my colleagues monitor.
So nutshell: the domains are throwaways and bulletproof. They are merely used to capture "live" email addresses which are then fed over to someone to respond to individually.
Why the idiots who are spamming on their behalf don't clean their lists, and further insist on mailing to a large number of people who absolutely have no interest in their crappy "dating service" is unknown to me.
But lets continue.
Attempts to contact anyone at UALadys regarding this spam results in denial of any problem. That's when and if you get a response. See blog posting here, for example.
Assume for a moment that you actually do want to communicate with them? You send a response to Elizabeth@jolasite.com and wait. A few days later you will get a response, which indicates that "she" is interested in learning more about you.
From Marina Pretty
Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter. It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter. I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets. The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends. I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here, it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my plans. I will work in any shop, bar or restaurant the agency that i am going through will suggest me some locations. It will be my choice in the end as to what option to go for.
So I will have a simple work till I improve my English. And I can choose any town of your area,agency will only help me to get a visa and all travel documents + some suggested placed to work in. My best friend last year met the man from the USA when she worked there for three months, too. She had two jobs. From morning till 4 pm she worked in amusement park and after it she worked as a waitress in some bar till midnight.
She was very tired of course but made very good money there.It is special programm for young people who wants to work abroad and I think it is the right way for me , I am lost here,and I think that I look pretty enough to find a better place .I want to repeat the same way,it is only my chance to meet a nice man.I want to work in USA or in Europe or any nice country. I am full of plans and different dreams and I want to share my life with good man because I'm also full of love and tenderness,I know that I am not so beautiful like Hollywood Princess but I do hope to meet my Prince and I am sure he will be not be disappoined to meet me in the real life! This is why I am going to go through the same way. Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.
I will leave russia in two weeks or so (I can't tell you everything exactly right now) and I would like to be sure that I have the man who waits for me there. I will work all day and I want to find a man to spend all free time together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to meet me I will be more than happy to meet you too. I will tell you all details about me and my life if you like my pictures and want to meet me! please send picture of you too!!!
I write to you with my new mailbox [address removed], please write letters now only on this mailbox.
I will wait your next letter.
Kiss you , Marina (this is my name)!
PS here are my pics
I hope they to you will like.
I hope you to me will answer
It also includes a couple pictures.
Do a google search for the second sentence in that message ("It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.", with quotation marks around it, so it's the exact match) and see what comes up: dozens of replies which have been posted in several attempts to figure out who is sending these messages, and why. All of them are related to reporting of marriage agency scams.
See a complete synopsis here. (He even got a response which used the exact same name as mine - Marina!)
UALadys.com temporarily changed their name to "UADreams.com" in January 2008, but quickly switched back. This was apparently due to some kind of conflict with the owners. They also apparently operate "RULadys.com". (Considering they must be profitable, perhaps they can hire someone who knows how to spell the plural of "lady". )
How do we know this is from UALadys?
Over the past year or more, I received enough spam for this crap that I was able to correlate a large amount of information about it. (Didn't even take very long.)
For a period of time, the throwaway domains which were used in the email addresses led to websites. At first these were for the long-dead online pharmacy "Pharma Shop" (see the Spam Wiki entry for that one here), then later it led to UALadys.com front-end pages, usually all showing the same fake "ad" for a girl on that site who never was actually present in the site.
If the goal was to turn into a signup on that site, it wasn't a very effective tactic. Instead it appears that they just want to reel you in slowly, eventually getting you to purchase "gifts" for the girl you correspond with. That portion of this scam is well documented on several marriage scam sites on the web. This discussion thread has some of the more interesting comments regarding how the whole thing works. (It's a long discussion, and it uncovers that the company used to be an even scammier operation known as "Confidential Connections". The girls themselves are only allowed to communicate with you via a "handler" who does all the translating and letter writing on their behalf. They also encourage you to purchase gifts for the girls. Apparently any attempt to meet the actual girl leads to a sudden "trip" or other abrupt disappearance with no logical explanation.
In short: there is only one use for these spam addresses: as fodder for filling out fake orders on illegal pharmacy sites you also get spammed with.
03-28-2009, 04:37 PM #1144Member
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Kinda hard to believe these guys are really scammers. They have video testimonials now from visitors.
P.S - I was also there in Zhitomir about 3-4 years ago when it was still called Confidential Connections.. my trip went fine.
03-29-2009, 02:50 PM #1145Senior Member
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Hey thatcrazy! These guys may not be scammers, but they may have been scammed. The thing is that we will probably never know how things worked out for them. Remember that the agency's disclaimer is that they introduce people to each other and aren't responsible for how things work out.
An intro to a paid pro-dater means yup, you met a real girl and went out with her, but it doesn't mean much more than that. I went out with a girl last year that I met on a different site. We had a great time! She was smiling the entire time. At this point, I figure she was smiling about the cash she was going to split with the interpreter. When I got home, she soon disappeared.
Prior to her disappearance, the agency asked me to write a testimonial. I declined. Within a month, the girl had just up and moved to another city! She had all of my personal contact info, but nothing.
I also believe it was last year that Goddiejens wrote about the various agencies in each city being very different in the quality of services. More and more, it seems to be no more than a crap shoot as to what will happen when writing to a girl in the FSU.
06-18-2009, 09:57 AM #1146Member
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[br]The Incredible Eustace Haney Strikes Again (Part III)
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from: Valyusha B. #4287
Hello from Zhitomir, Ukraine from a single young lady. I understand that it might be not right to write this letter first, but I decided to take this brave step and right to you..........
......But I know that the one you search for is me:-) Meet you in the next letter then! Kisses and hugs, Valyusha.
Eustace Haney ROCKS!!!
No she has changed name: Valentine B. and the Agency let her show up sometimes on first page as an intruduction view for us innocent customers ; )
She wrote me also some 50 letters back in 2006 [:I]
06-19-2009, 09:04 PM #1147Senior Member
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Aaaaah, those were the days... back in 2006, when a man could have fantasies without paying an agency for them.
03-26-2012, 06:17 PM #1148Senior Member
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It still goes on. I get 15 new emails a week, hundreds, if not thousands in the past decade. All from beautiful women looking for a taste of rock god Eustace Haney. Beware.
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