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    quote:Originally posted by GMAN

    If it is all a scam then i might as well not bother looking further and give it up as a bad job there should be laws to control these agencies.

    gtearne
    do not trust me.
    read things like this
    http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/t...p?TOPIC_ID=558
    Then, given FSUWs are on average prettier than the average WWs, ask yourself how comes on that big junk dating sites nearly 50% of women enrolled between end 1996 and end 2003..
    No guesswork...i queried THEIR OWN DATABASE.
    No "angry envious loser" jealous because Pedro trapped some porn model half his age here.
    How comes?
    1996? Hell, that is almost 11 years many women have been on that junk network site!
    Is that realistic in your view?
    Is that possible in your view?
    When i posted these findings on various forums, at times i got attacked by very angry people, who were upset about it.
    What for?
    And i bet if you write these women who have been sitting there for over a decade, they will fall in love with you overnight...or is it a set-up to sell addresses, correspondence "tokens" etc?
    Hell, there are a few cases of reports showing that when men bothered to hire investigators, found out their FSUW had moved to another city/gotten married/DIED years earlier!
    I remember one letter a man posted: the woman who was supposed to be his dream mate was married and had a 3yo son!

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    So are there any genuine agencies?

    gtearne

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    well i found my scammer Bright Carey Spencer on true.com and i know there are many Nigerian scammers on a lot of other dating sites. so if i was u i would not trust any of them or at least if anyone of the people you meet on them asks for money just move on.

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    quote:Originally posted by GMAN

    So are there any genuine agencies?

    gtearne
    I won't name names because i'm selling nothing here, but in my experience i'd steer clear of BIG JUNK NETWORKED dating agencies, featuring tens of thousands of women over five time zones.
    Better luck awaits you with small, mom&pop kind of agencies; these are not your Vegas kind of WWW money machine & might not offer the paraphenalia big sites do, EG tours, socials etc.
    Their women sure as hell will not be as many and not nearly as attractive as those on bigger sites.
    Not "ugly", but not some miss nude pageant, either; decent pretty girls next door.
    I had a favourable experience with a dating dealer with a few 100's women from the same neighborhood.
    No wonder...most of those teen porn star wannabees' profiles are baited ads or bought/stolen pictures from women who have no interest WHATSOEVER in marrying older, middle class foreigners.
    Small agencies are often amateurish and don't offer domestic customer support.
    If you want some crooked used car salesman to pitch a sale to you for three hours, expect to pay for his time...by the minute.
    The dating dealer i mentioned could arrange only an handful of marriages in over ten years.
    Big junk sites claim to have arranged thousands, but how would you know?

    Also, the dating dealer i mentioned, whom over the years i assume to be honest, said he wanted to retreat from the dating business, because mostly the bubble had burst. He said he used to employ FIVE full time translators at his peek, then in 2004 he was down to a couple.
    He said what a realist might say:
    * that WMs rarely travel to the FSU
    * that cross-cultural relationships are difficult and while many buy the concept at face value, then cannot follow through.
    * that often women move on with their lives, meet someone locally etc

    But let's discard his minute points, for he might be just a lazy bum, right?
    Let's just say that the FSU MOB dating business' decline is steady...increased awareness of scams, legal restrictions such as US IMBRA, whatever.
    In the 1970s we all were supposed to get an hot philipino/asian wife; in the 1980s a hot south american/latino wife...yeah, right.
    Why do big junk dating sites seem to prosper?
    Mostly because theirs is a smoke screen selling unverified addresses, displaying fake or outdated profiles and booking tours and socials.



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    Well guys this is my first post here...and it's from a little internet cafe in a smallish south-eastern Ukrainian city at 5 in the morning. Three reasons for the time of night....1) I'm just gob-smacked at what i've been reading here on this and the CC site before it and could'nt stop 'til the end, 2) It got late and I decided to stay here until daylight before heading back to the hotel for safety reasons, 3) My date for last evening flaked out on me 'for work reasons' but see you tomorrow 'tomorrow is my weekend'..Hmmmm

    Now I have been corresponding with some women mentioned here and some that have not from several different branches. (the chick I met here is not from CC/UAL) I was very busy over the past month and noticed the shutdown and changes but too busy to really wonder why.

    I am an independent traveller...and never intended to go with the clearly bullstrip ripoff CC silver/gold/platinum plans....what a take they are...the scare tactics and rubbish they write on their site is just shameless. I was content to fork out $50 to meet a correspondent who seemed genuine...until now, that is.

    I notice that the overwhelming consensus of the site is that UAL is a scam organization. From the evidence presented, I could not agree more.

    But I note that of all members here, only Ralf (maybe another one but i forget..sorry) has actually been to Ukraine and used CC's services. Now he has a balanced view..that some women are professional daters etc, but some others are genuine. Also, in his experience, the degree of scamming varies from branch to branch.

    Many of you planned trips here soon, in late February or March..but may have decided to cancel, or at least come up with a plan B. To my knowledge, I am the only guy who has just read all this about CC/UAL and who is actually IN Ukraine right at the start of my adventure...I have not yet met a CC woman.

    So I feel both shocked..as to the degree of scamming...but also forearmed with priceless knowledge now. I am not a complete dumbell, I always figured that some of these women, or translators or branches would try it on...but it is sobering to see other guys publish the flowery sweet letters that you yourself got not so long ago.

    It is too late for me to reconsider my trip...Thankfully, I have got contacts from another site...but it is also expensive and problematic. I am not totally hopeless and hope I can also pull a couple of babes from bars and discos.. at least I will have fun trying.

    Now I will focus my attention on my correspondents who have not been mentioned here and who did not send up any red flags. I am one who does not believe in corresponding only with one or two; it is a long way to come to be blown out of the water in one or two days. I am not phased by women writing to many(within reason) men or cutting and pasting; so long as their intentions are genuine...to meet the right guy eventually. But it is clearcut that many are making a nice living from their arrangement with CC and have no genuine intentions. Merely 'licencing' their pics for a cut, and the staff do the rest. So, I have written to quite a few and may see quite a few also..just depends on what happens.

    Anyway, I will take pleasure in informing the forum of my experiences..good and bad as it unfolds. But, at least early on, I will be coy and not too specific as brother Sergey is reading and may put 2 and 2 together. I don't want that to muddy the waters. I think it is important if we can try and establish if there really are genuine women on the site. They may be completely unaware of the tactics of the organization they have entrusted their futures to or the activities of their avaricious sisters.

    Should any one have the names of any 'real' Ukranian women, or websites they might want to share with a man on the ground...I will be most happy to here from you and correspond privately.

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    quote:Originally posted by licencetothrill

    Well guys this is my first post here...
    .....Should any one have the names of any 'real' Ukranian women, or websites they might want to share with a man on the ground...I will be most happy to here from you and correspond privately.
    Hi,
    I could give you info from my trip last summer to Kiev.
    I had contact with an Agency, "BeHappyAgency" (the local office in Kiev) and even with the owner of it - Nadya. She was very nice and helpful. Of course they want you to spend money, but only use your common sense and pick some lady you want to meet. Take your time for it.
    Before I got there I received this info from BeHappy Agency, the main office in Tver, Russia. Ive been there. Use the info if you want.
    The message:
    Dear ---!
    Thank you for your letter!
    We will be glad to help you and give the contact information of
    the agency ---- id 16--- and ---- id 16--- are assigned to.
    Hope this information will be helpful.
    Kiev
    Bolshaya Zhitomirskaya Str., 8B, moffice 6
    phone number 380 (44) 5617248
    another number 380 (44) 3326949
    Enjoy your staying in Kiev!
    Let us know if we can do anything else for you.
    Please feel free to ask any questions.
    Best regards,
    Ann Gaydukova.
    ------------------------< end

    Best regards / uljoh

    (give me your email and I can tell you more)

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    HEY Guys!

    I just got this from the UA management team:

    We see, that you still don't recieve answers from our ladies Daria Pavlenko #4016
    for your mails with the following subjects: Re: Happy new year!
    from date: 2007-01-18 07:58:08

    We are sorry about this situation and our billing office has credited your personal account +1 email credit now. Now you have 6 email credit(s).
    You can use it for writing mail to ladies from our agency on website

    The reason for email credit return is: Sorry, this Lady said that she is not interested in correspondence with you any more. She said that she has found the person she is interested in and decided to stop her correspondance with you. Thank you for your attention.

    It seems funny that her pictures have been updated and she is still on the site when she has found her match!

    More of the same from UA!
    Jim

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    Another scam. I created more "do not reply to me unless you are a scammer profiles." Theodore has a photo of a very ancient Native American posted.

    Theodore S. #396158
    Age 72 years old
    Birth Date: 1934 February 27


    Height:167 cm Weight: 77 kg
    Eyes: Grey Glasses (lens): Yes
    Hair: Grey

    Children: Yes, but not living at home

    Country: USA City: Chicago Zip: 0
    Race: Native American Religion: Other

    Education: Unspecified
    Employment/Career: Waste Management

    Smoke: Smoke Drink: Drink all the time


    My hobbies:
    ...

    About myself:
    [This is a quote from a notorious appellate decision] The controlling factor to be determined is presented by appellant's first question posed in the following language: 1. 'Does the one specific crime definitely defined and limited by Section 7567, C.G.L.-1927; 3534 G.S. (1906) 5424 R.G.S.-1920; Ch. 1637, Sub. Ch. 8, Acts 1868, Sec. 17, comprehend or include the action of a 76 year old, aged Indian War Veteran, feeble physically and mentally, in, after having met the two girls . . . who solicited him, went to his residence and there they both get on the bed, pull up their dresses and drop down their panties, when he in turn on his back in the same bed allowed them to diddle with his rag like penis, unerectable, lifeless and useless except to connect the bladder with the outside world for more than six years since the death of his wife, utterly incapable of either penetration or emission, and wad it like a rag into their mouths . . . It is sufficient to say here, however, that all unnatural forms and methods of coitus have proven themselves detrimental to both health and morals. This is a test. Do not write me unless you are a scam artist.

    Of course the ladies of CC/UAL love men who drink all the time and who post pornographic appellate decisions...

    --------------------------


    From: Olga B. #1783
    To: Theodore S. #396158
    Date: 03 February 2007 17:07:02

    Subject: I would be glad to hear from you....


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR OLGA

    Hello, dear Theodore S!

    Let me introduce myself.

    My name is Olga, I live in Kharkov, work as a bookkeeper.

    Although my job is about digits and papers, but I am romantic in my heart. I am fond of travelling, especially to the seaside and mountains. Also, enjoy going to theatre in my spare time (I have not so much).

    I like my home. Like they say, my house is my fortress. I like cleanliness and coziness.

    And I like when there are many flowers in the house.

    If you find this message interesting, I would be glad to hear from you, and feel free to ask questions.

    Looking forward to hearing from you,

    Sincerely,

    Olga

    Of course, Olga has also written to Frank N Beans, another alter ego who only wants to hear from scam artists...

    From: Olga B. #1783
    To: Frank J. #396700
    Date: 30 January 2007 16:46:18

    Subject: I would be glad to hear from you....


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR OLGA

    Hello, dear Frank J!

    Let me introduce myself.

    My name is Olga, I live in Kharkov, work as a bookkeeper.

    Although my job is about digits and papers, but I am romantic in my heart. I am fond of travelling, especially to the seaside and mountains. Also, enjoy going to theatre in my spare time (I have not so much).

    I like my home. Like they say, my house is my fortress. I like cleanliness and coziness.

    And I like when there are many flowers in the house.

    If you find this message interesting, I would be glad to hear from you, and feel free to ask questions.

    Looking forward to hearing from you,

    Sincerely,

    Olga

    Now there is nothing wrong with sending a form introduction letter to more than one man. What is wrong is that she wrote to TWO men who said, "I only want to hear from scam artists," and said, "Looking forward to hearing from you."

    SCAM, SCAM, SCAM. . .


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    Have anyone got a letter looking like this?
    I got it today 2007-02-07

    The letter:

    THIS LETTER WAS TRANSLATED FOR -----.

    The wind is blowing on my mind,
    It?s crying, screaming hole the night,
    I?m seeing my tears on the check,
    I?m feeling bad, I?m tired, sick.
    I dream about you and me,
    I want to be with you and see
    How wonderful is our life,
    I look at clock ? about five.
    Oh, Gods, please, stop this loudly cry,
    I want to sleep, I?m trying? try?
    I can?t live, It?s very hard,
    Because I have a lonely heart.
    ----------<

    You know. I have come to a state I think its almost useless to answer any letter. Even if I had before. This is from a lady in 24 yo. Very pretty, though.


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    quote:Originally posted by uljoh
    You know. I have come to a state I think its almost useless to answer any letter. Even if I had before. This is from a lady in 24 yo. Very pretty, though.

    It's not a letter Uljoh, it is undoubtedly the lyrics to a song. Have you ever written a stranger...

    Oh, Gods, please, stop this loudly cry,
    I want to sleep, I?m trying? try?
    I can?t live, It?s very hard,
    Because I have a lonely heart.


    Of course not. I guarantee the translator who hit "send" on this one was laughing her ass off. I think they are so bored with the job that they keep pushing the envelope. I have had letters recently that were incomplete sentences, bad grammer, incomprehensible prose. An ape could throw darts at the newspaper and do better than this.

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