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    quote: I'm just saying there are a lot of great FSU women out there. They just are not enrolled at the introduction agencies.
    this is moreless what I'm saying.

    quote:Who's to say there aren't any good, honest, "real" women out there looking for a guy who will treat them right?

    But, I just want to know why is it that a good girl CAN'T be out there looking for something better???
    1 are all ravens truly black?
    2 is there intelligent life in our galaxy?

    First i never said "all cannot": i said it is extremely difficult. I don't know all women and cannot therefore comment.
    I say that online dating is like gambling...sooner or later you'll pay your dues...or perhaps you'll rank among the few lucky ones who come home a millionaire...both categories exist: just a matter of chance and statistics!

    quote:Again you are focusing tooooooooooooooo hard on the wrong idea. The whole thing about hanging outside the Ukrainian church was a JOKE!!!!!
    I was responding to another post, not yours.
    It is easy to depict me like someone weird who does all wrong, but the game is the same for everybody.

    http://stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=558

    there i demonstrated a majority of profiles are ages old. Sure, that is just one example. Since FSUWs are on average prettier than the dustbags you might meet in a singles' bar at home, how comes, how can you explain they remain single and looking for years?

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    quote:It is easy to depict me like someone weird who does all wrong, but the game is the same for everybody.
    Ham, you were there when I needed guidance last year, and I thank you for the contributions you have made.

    I think there are a limited number of regular contributors to this forum. My goal, through the McHaney posts, etc., is to simply ensure that other victims who Google their supposed loves will realize they are being victimized.

    I think ALL of the FSU online dating, mating, translating websites are an utter crock of bull hockey. Maybe 1 in 1000 gets lucky, but everyone else is paying money to stoke a fantasy that just does not exist. Even a pig find an acorn ocassionally. Or, as my grandfather used to say, even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day. Twice out of 1,440 opportunities.

    If you want a relationship with a FSU woman, then go where FSU women congregate or visit the FSU. That is the only way to make it happen. There are no easier routes. The grifters, prostitutes, and gold diggers at the websites are not worth the waste of your breath.

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    i know how it feels to get scammed and i want to forewarn men about it.
    emotional loss can be enormous.
    Then they can do whatever they want with the warning.


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    First, I posted my letter to UALadys Support...about my trip to Kremenchug....I received an answer, but no answer to my follow up question!! See a page or 2 back on this thread.

    Since that, UALadys now has a 'testamonal' on the home page, about man's visit to Kremenchug!!

    Second, I sent a link to my translator in Sumy....and she read through the postings on this thread...her is her reaction to reading these postings!

    "i looked at the web-site, thank you for making a
    little advert for our office.
    I wonder if all these man write on this site is true.
    I can not say about all their experiences, of course,
    but so many things that are written there is just a
    crap. (Sorry!)

    But anyway, when you work with human relationships,
    you can not avoid such stuff :-)

    Ok, I will be back to work)
    Take care,
    (i removed her name...since she does not know I am posting this)

    The question is....how can a man, meet these beautiful Ukrainian women, without using these web sites (like UALadys)?????

    I did meet a nice lady...and will return to visit her in Jan 08.

    But I am also learning Russian.....so I do not need a translator...or only some translation.

    The one biggest suprise I had, was I though the ladies I meet and dated (2 in Kremenchug, 7 in Sumy) Would be more excited about coming to America and getting an American man. I had good dates and very bad ones....but none of the ladies 'threw herself' at me, and all were quite cautious...about jumping into a relationship so quickly. I had the visa paperwork in my hotel room....and I told several ladies that I could start the visa process asap. Even the lady I am involved with ,would not let me start the visa process....until we have spent more time together in Jan.

    So I will visit her again in Jan. and see how she feels about it then....I will not wait forever. But I think she was reasonable, to ask me to spend more time with her...before she makes such a big decision.


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    Hey guys! First of all, I think I said this before ham and I got into our discussion... I don't think I've ever disagreed with ham about anything!

    That being said...
    quote:1 are all ravens truly black?
    2 is there intelligent life in our galaxy?
    1)Ravens actually appear to have a pearl coat. Blacks, purples and blues, but you already knew that.
    2)It all depends on what you consider to be "intelligent"??? There are times when the third rock from the sun seems to be pretty void of anything remotely resembling intelligence! Present company excepted of course!!!
    quote:I'm just saying there are a lot of great FSU women out there. They just are not enrolled at the introduction agencies.
    Prometheus, I've been fortunate enough to exchange a couple of e-mails with you, and I know you've been on a plane before. Do you seriously think not one girl at any site is legit, or just most, or...?[?]
    quote:I was responding to another post, not yours.
    It is easy to depict me like someone weird who does all wrong, but the game is the same for everybody.
    1)A slight misuderstanding about the hanging outside the church thing. I was kidding about what Prometheus said earlier.[B)]
    2)I don't think of you as weird, at least not any weirder than anyone else here, including me. Like Prometheus and a very small handful of others, your advice carries a lot of weight with me.
    quote:If you want a relationship with a FSU woman, then go where FSU women congregate or visit the FSU. That is the only way to make it happen. There are no easier routes. The grifters, prostitutes, and gold diggers at the websites are not worth the waste of your breath.
    So I should hang out at the church???? KIDDING!!! But the funny thing is I passed the church on th way home from my last service call today! I do know about the prostitutes thing though. Hey, I sometimes cruise the seammer side of the information hiway, and found that a face I had often seen on several sites is an escort in Kyiv. Multiple pics, description of her and the pricing of the services she will provide! I'm sure she's not the only one.
    quote: i know how it feels to get scammed and i want to forewarn men about it.
    emotional loss can be enormous.
    Then they can do whatever they want with the warning.
    I've been jacked around too. I never lost any cash, but I know the feeling. Why do you think I started getting involved in the forums??? One girl p!ssed me off so bad because of the way she played me that every time I saw her pics on a site I'd apply to the site and write her , just to waste her time...(or Ivan's time???)I even had a 23 yo lesbian I know write her out of the blue!

    The thing is, I think I've become a bit detached from what I write to these girls anymore.

    In response to DC's post, I ask ham and Prometheus what you guys think??? Could this girl he met thru an agency be "real", or maybe just another scammer who got surprised by a guy who has the means to do the stuff that she would try to scam money for? If you throw that to them in a letter that you will pay for everyting, they usually seem to dissappear. I see scammers around almost every corner. It sucks to lose so much trust!

    I'm probably getting on the plane within the next couple of months and heading to Ukraine. There are two girls that I've become interested in. They both write to me every day, or at least, almost every day and actually answer my questions. Neither has balked at my proposal to visit them or made any excuses why they should come to me. It's actually a bit scary.

    I'm always cautious, but I can't see the "red flags". OH BOY!!!! What to do, what to do?????

    Also, to put this into perspective, I'm 44 yo and have NEVER left the US except for my high school senior trip to Canada, and that doesn't really count because it's attached and they speak English! I never had a reason...

    Any words of wisdom?????? I have plenty, but I never seem to listen to myself????

    Train returns

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    quote:Hey, I sometimes cruise the seammer side of the information hiway, and found that a face I had often seen on several sites is an escort in Kyiv. Multiple pics, description of her and the pricing of the services she will provide! I'm sure she's not the only one.
    well, a few companies operate both "dating" agencies and escort agencies, or stripper ("dancer") agencies.
    That says all.
    I remember a quite famous agency being busted in the open for that.
    At first they denied it, but finally they admitted "even prostitutes need love".
    While I am not prejudiced against prostitutes (=there the game is clear & fair, at least! ), the issue warrants great caution.
    Sure, most of these girls' life is also made of drugs, more or less violent pimps and consequent debts at outrageous interests for dope etc,
    BUT!
    they are also used to deception, impersonation, manipulation and to a lifestyle of short-cuts.
    Any prostitute will probably tell you -in spite of all else- she earns N times more with some sweat, than she would working as an ordinary employee, clerk or labourer.

    quote:
    1)Ravens actually appear to have a pearl coat. Blacks, purples and blues, but you already knew that.
    I referred to
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
    quote:3.2 Some inductive paradoxes

    That enumerative induction is a much subtler and more complex process than one might think is made apparent by the paradoxes of induction. The paradox of the ravens is a good example: By enumerative induction:

    a is a raven and a is black,

    confirms (to some small extent)

    All ravens are black.

    That is just a straightforward application of instance confirmation. But the same rule allows that

    a is non-black and is a non-raven,

    confirms (to some small extent)

    all non-black things are non-ravens. ETC
    quote:I'm always cautious, but I can't see the "red flags". OH BOY!!!! What to do, what to do?????
    by all means go.

    be careful
    book your own stay.
    have backup plans.
    But go...you'll have no regrets afterwards.

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    quote:I referred to
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
    Way tooooooooooooooo deep for me![]

    Hey, I have a back up plan alright... Hang out in front of a church, or just go back to Kyiv and find the escort service I was telling you about![)]

    Seriously, I'm going through hell trying to find internal transportation within Ukraine. It's easy and cheap to get to Kyiv, but from there to Luhansk has been a problem. Any info??? I'm not taking a "tour". It would be pointless and a waste of money since I'm not looking for girls, I already found one.

    Actually, there are two girls, both named Olga(which makes my life easier). Both live in Luhans'ka oblast, but different towns. I really just want to get to Luhansk city and maybe rent a flat there. Still, it's a matter of getting from Kyiv to Luhansk.

    My biggest fear right now is that I found 2 out of that 1,000 who are both "real"??? Both girls write pretty much every day, and actually answer questions. If I meet them both, and find them both to be legit, what a mess!!! Granted, it probably won't happen that way...

    Train returns

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    quote: Seriously, I'm going through hell trying to find internal transportation within Ukraine. It's easy and cheap to get to Kyiv, but from there to Luhansk has been a problem. Any info??? I'm not taking a "tour". It would be pointless and a waste of money since I'm not looking for girls, I already found one.
    you should hire a private driver.
    but since you are a first-time tourist, I'm afraid taxis could prove extremely expensive.

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    Hey ham! You missed this one. I'm talking about getting from Kyiv to Luhansk. I'm thinking more along the lines of a train? or a bus? Luhansk has an airport, but international flights go to Kyiv. I'm hoping to possibly even catch a commuter flight between these two cities?

    Naturally after getting to Luhansk, I'd take a cab to other places within the city and maybe again, a bus if these towns are on bus routes?

    I have a lot of research to do!!![8] Any input is welcome.

    I know DC said he's been to Ukraine, and Prometheus also, I think I remember you saying you've gone too? Maybe even a couple of times?

    How did you get around? A cab from city to city will kill my meager budget.

    Train returns

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    can't help.
    I used private drivers or public transportation in big cities.

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