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    Hi PeopleS,

    if you can for the duration accept the term "intelligent design", maybe this site will give some information. I find the subject too big to present here.

    I haven't had the time to read it through properly, but as far as I can see, the scientific arguments seem reasonably acceptable. Whereas the religious implications are less well proven. The guy who manages the site is obviously unaware of other religions attitude in this connection, and he gets somewhat fundamentalistic about his own version of christianity as THE answer.

    But that's unfortunately typical of all fundamentalists. Some of them even dish out all of their own "selling" pamphlets, expecting everybody to read the stuff, but refuse or are forbidden to read other points-of-wiev themselves.

    "We're right, and you are wrong" kind of thing.

    The site is called "cosmicfingerprints" and then go to: New scientific evidence for the existence of god.

    When I get time, I will read it more carefully.

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    quote:I'm fairly sure, that helium has two protons, but I'll have to find the information somewhere, before I can be definite.
    No, you're right and I stand corrected regarding Helium, but I still wonder about balance within chaos, to remain at nothing since we are yet to find balance between matter and anti-matter???
    quoteapart from that I would like to own my own home, clothes, vehicle and other personal items, plus having the chance to run a small private enterprise by myself)
    ...And this is WHY communism/socialism simply does not work. ALL MUST SUBCRIBE TO IT!!! From those who are the "leaders", to those who follow. In fact, in true communism, there are no leaders or followers. Everyone is 100% equal. Now, reality steps in. It would take another evolutionary change within mankind to "allow" such thought to take place. This is the ultimate in symbiosis... for every single person in existance to completely rely on each other for equal shares of the entire pie and to feel no desire or need for more. Our world is currently based on wanting more of everything.

    Communism removes personal goals and acheivements from people's lives. Everything is done for the good of the people, and absolutely NO personal gain is to be sought. More money, more power, a nicer car, gone??? It can never happen so long as there is even ONE dissenter in the population.

    Although it may not be what Lenin had invisioned, a "hippie" commune of the sixties is probably the closest thing we have ever seen to true communism. They grew their own food, even raising livestock. Some worked jobs, but the money earned was used to buy necessities for the community. Everything was shared... food, chores, drugs, the classic Volkswagon bus, and yes, even sex. Everyone was there because they WANTED to be there. Still, there were those who emerged as leaders and in ways took advantage of this as is "natural" for humans to do.
    quoteoes the original communism or socialism allow for political competition?
    I would be doubtful about accepting a one-party system.
    Communism is not meant to be a political thing. Politics only entered the fray as it is politics that rules. In order to make change, you have to play the game by the rules set by the ones making the rules. Thus the birth of the Communist Party. The involvement of politics was the first corruption of the ideal as this infers a power structure, contrary to true communism.

    Hey Jens! Welcome back to the thread.
    quote:This happens more and more in Germany. 99% of suicides after separation/divorce is done by men!
    It's sad to read that. I don't know German culture, but in the US, MEN DON'T CRY!!! We keep it inside until... BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!! I'm surprised that article isn't about US men.

    Socialism isn't the answer to your next statement, without the mental evolutionary change required to make it viable. It has often been said that prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. I can only attribute this to the male desire to have sex, as far back as the days of the caveman. Somewhere along the way, a woman realized that she could receive favors for freely allowing a man to have her, whether it was a bigger chunk of the days kill, or maybe not having to do other work as a part of the common community.

    Pimps, organized crime, etc, only entered the equation because someone figured out a way to make money from it without being the one getting 'beep'ed. The motivation behind pedifiles is a whole different topic on depravity. Prostitution is illegal in 99% of the US, but drive down the main street of most major cities here on a Friday night and you'll find prostitutes curb to curb.
    quote:The site is called "cosmicfingerprints" and then go to: New scientific evidence for the existence of god.
    I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

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    Today has been a good day for the three Olgas, but not so much for me. After sitting them down and explaining to them about the "Green Acres" reruns and what "Black Power" actually means, they have found a new meaning to their lives, although not quite what I would have hoped. Since it was raining all day today, and not wanting to huddle by the pool only to have their make-up run, they asked Alfred to drive them around to kill time. During their travels, they found... a shopping mall!!!!
    All I can say is 'beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep' Alfred, 'beep, beep, beep, beep' stupid, 'beep, beep, beep, beep'... The union has just informed me that I have used up my daily quota of beeps and that any further beeps used will be recycled beeps and they are not to be held resposible for the out come. With that, I bid you a goodnight... To be continued when I can get some fresh beeps, because I'm not done with my tirade yet!!!!

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    Cit. PeopleS:

    "........... but I still wonder about balance within chaos, to remain at nothing since we are yet to find balance between matter and anti-matter???"

    According to the only map we have at the present, the experiences of people who've actually "been there" (the mystics, who are ofcourse not accepted as fair witnesses by science, because science's parameters don't include this kind of thing), it's not really a zero-state (as f.ex. a total vacum), but rather a kind of stillness. But with the absense of anything known to us from our ordinary life, it would look like emptiness, until we get attuned to it.

    In my youth I made a study of trans-religious, -cultural and -historical mystic (transcendental, non-mundane, chaos) experiences, and it turned out, that they were very alike independant of background. It's a "map", I trust to a high degree. The mainparts of this state of being are mostly a kind of detachment from ordinary life-values (but only in a positive sense. The ethical aspect grows bigger, if anything), compassion, what we here formerly have called "wisdom", bliss (which surpasses any normal feeling of happiness) and not least compassion. I have on and off experienced such states of being myself; one time for three weeks uninterrupted. But I do not have a complete control of the process leading there yet.

    Now I hope, that readers of this will not take the above as any mission on my part. I can understand, if you will be sceptical and think it all stuff and nonsense. I'm absolutely not going to start a quarrel with anybody about this subject, as long as I'm left in peace with my private "delusions".


    "In fact, in true communism, there are no leaders or followers. Everyone is 100% equal. Now, reality steps in. It would take another evolutionary change within mankind to "allow" such thought to take place. This is the ultimate in symbiosis... for every single person in existance to completely rely on each other for equal shares of the entire pie and to feel no desire or need for more. Our world is currently based on wanting more of everything."

    I warmly join in this description, and much of the discussion here on my part have been to explore such possibilities. To my knowledge, socialism/communism split early between the anarchists and the centralised-oriented power structure (as demonstrated by Stalin and later alphas). Where my sympathies lie are no secret.


    "Although it may not be what Lenin had invisioned, a "hippie" commune of the sixties is probably the closest thing we have ever seen to true communism."

    Sad to say, I tried that partly (and saw examples of more extreme experiments), and there was always that guy or two, who just ruined everything by not taking their share, but generally only parasited on the rest.

    While I possibly could give up any pretentions for ownership of material things, I have at the present problems imagining myself sharing a woman with a lot of other people. Not saying it couldn't be done, but it would take quite a lot.


    Never got around to the Spiegel link, but I've worked for app. 20 years with people having various mental disorder problems. And the men outnumbers the women four to one

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    quote:According to the only map we have at the present, the experiences of people who've actually "been there" (the mystics, who are ofcourse not accepted as fair witnesses by science, because science's parameters don't include this kind of thing), it's not really a zero-state (as f.ex. a total vacum), but rather a kind of stillness. But with the absense of anything known to us from our ordinary life, it would look like emptiness, until we get attuned to it.
    I understand what you are inferring, but there are still some gaps that even my somewhat open mind fails to grasp. This certainly is an effect of some of the "programming" that we discussed in prior topics. I truly belive that what is experienced by such "mystics" has a lot to do with their already "programmed" beliefs... Similar to near death experiences.

    It has been said that "God" (pardon me swede), appears to each of us in a form that each can comprehend, as not to cause our heads to explode. Your general concept of the existance of what you call chaos, isn't so unreasonable, but as a "spiritualist", I tend to see the reasons for things not adding up, to be something other than nothingness.
    quote:To my knowledge, socialism/communism split early between the anarchists and the centralised-oriented power structure (as demonstrated by Stalin and later alphas).
    BINGO!!! Exactly why communism doesn't work. Too many sheepwalkers. They NEED a preditor to guide them, thus the basics of equality are lost, not everyone is equal, someone has influence over others, and the whole thing comes unravled! And let's face it, there are plenty of preditors out there to fill the role of dictator guiding the sheepwalkers.
    quote:Sad to say, I tried that partly (and saw examples of more extreme experiments), and there was always that guy or two, who just ruined everything by not taking their share, but generally only parasited on the rest.
    The parasites are just as bad. Those who choose to profit through being shiftless and lazy are the polar opposites of the preditors we normally think of, but are in fact, preditors themselves. They feed off the weak who are unwilling or unable to force a change.

    Sharing my girl is out of the 'beep'ing question!!!!


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    Cit. PeopleS:

    "I truly belive that what is experienced by such "mystics" has a lot to do with their already "programmed" beliefs... Similar to near death experiences."

    This is true, and you'll find varying degrees of beliefsystems carried over into the mystic experience. But then again there are certain aspects, which are general in spite of the beliefsystems represented. Apart from those mentioned, white light is common. Timelessness is another, as known f.ex. both from asian and western mysticism and from aboriginals in Australia. And you couldn't find beliefsystems/"programs" further apart.

    The interesting thing is, that science says, that time would be non-existing in chaos. And white light is a reversal of the quantum-leap process, which produces the 6 standard colours of the hydrogen spectrum. Translated: The colours we see, are symbiotically reunited to white light. This is not symbolic" but an actual expression of a scientific phenomenon.

    A very, very interesting presentation of how beliefsystems and the concept of god are experienced in paranormal states has been done by Robert A. Monroe. He's FAR from being a mystic, but actually a successful, american businessman, who (AFTER he got rich) started telling about his out-of-body journeys, and who also developed a sound system helping to acchieve this process. He's a guy I really respect, being rational and undogmatic, with no religious messages to sell.


    "They NEED a preditor to guide them"

    That's why I stress the individual approach so much. Both at ideology level and as a base for working personally towards awareness. Waiting for a collective awareness would take eternities. But some individuals have a strong (sleeping)potentiality for awareness, which only needs a little inspiration to get started. If you live in a society, which frowns upon such things, as we talk about here (how are the voices in your head by the way?), it's not easy to get started.



    "The parasites are just as bad. Those who choose to profit through being shiftless and lazy are the polar opposites of the preditors we normally think of, but are in fact, preditors themselves. They feed off the weak who are unwilling or unable to force a change."

    They were like lice in the good old days in the sixties. Everywhere and difficult to get rid of. On a few occasions I had to get legal- or policehelp to get them out of my small house, where they made some squatter-like invasion under the device, that "property is theft". I played the role as the cigarsmoking, fat capitalist, because I actually had a JOB. As a substitute mailman.

    Cit 13/2:

    "Everything was shared... food, chores, drugs, the classic Volkswagon bus, and yes, even sex."

    Cit 14/2:

    "Sharing my girl is out of the 'beep'ing question!!!!"

    At first I believed, that your post from the 13'th was an expression of your own ideals, but todays post makes it clear, that it isn't.

    I can occasionally loan my car to friends, but never my bike or my woman.


    Greetings from Elena (I've forgotten which one, but it doesn't matter) to 1, 2 and 3.

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    Today was an interesting day here in the house of Olgas. Alfred has completed his installation of the brass pole in the boudoir, and the Olgas have now become torn. During commercial breaks while still watching "Green Acres" reruns on TV Land, even though they know it is not a reality program, they spent the day scurrying back and forth from the swimming pool to the newest shiny object to catch their eyes, the brass pole in the boudoir.

    It's night here on the east coast of the states and the bulb has blown on the pool light. Alfred is off for the night, and I'll be darned if I'll lower myself to changing light bulbs! So, being deathly afraid that some guy named Boris will have tracked them down and would beat them unmercilously in the dark, the Olgas remain indoors this evening, shining their new toy in ways that the union has informed me they lack a sufficient stock pile of beeps for me to effectively describe on this page.

    So with that, I bid you a fond good evening!

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    quote:white light is common.
    Again, this is a common thing that is very basic to many different "out of body" experiences... and dare I say it... alien abductions. But basically, it almost seems to me that within your personal beliefsystem, you are trying very hard to find an answer, any answer that doesn't directly involve some form of God or spirit as the starting point of our existence.

    Religion isn't a dirty word or concept in and of itself, and neither is the word God. It's no different than atomic reaction... very beneficial when used as directed. But when misused, it is a very big problem. Religion is basically a beliefsystem and nothing more. You yourself have a religion of sorts.

    Yes, maybe you, or science will prove me wrong someday, but I honestly believe that there are some things that mortal man, whether wide awake or in a dreamstate, simply are not meant to know until they pass beyond their mortal being and join that which has eluded them for their lifetime.
    quote:"Everything was shared... food, chores, drugs, the classic Volkswagon bus, and yes, even sex."
    This is a reference to a general openness. There were also many monogamous relationships. The woman would have to be willing to "share" herself, and as a man, if you did not want this, simply don't tie yourself to a woman who was a "sharer". Like you, I would find a monogamous girl, since I don't share my toys well with others. Especially that particular toy!!!!!!!

    Tell Elena the Olgas say, "Privetik!"

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    I see the concept of serials is becoming increasingly popular here.

    Now we only need a talk-show and a quizz-game.

    Maybe we should talk a little about scamming now and then also, say mondays and fridays.

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    Hehehe, Ditto Swede!! Maybe I have missed something but what is it all about regarding the Olga's? [?]
    Well, as I have said many times is my Life, do not Shoot me-Enlighten me! Hehehe


    Sincerely,

    Tone [8D]

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