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02-21-2008, 09:43 PM #191Senior Member
quote:All this versions of what is "correct" for the individual are stuff and nonsense, it's just rules made by the topdogs, because THEY want it so.
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The majority of the laws do protect the majority of the people in one way or another. Most of the anti-drug laws in the US are two fold. On one hand, "illegal" drugs, aren't regulated, so the government can't tax them in any way. Another, and more health related issue, is the lack of quality control.
Let's be realitic, sometimes there's a bad batch of whatever going around and people die form it, or at least end up in pretty bad shape. Sometimes, we could be talking coma, or some other long term health problem. Junkies rarely have any kind of health insurance, and so they become a burden on society in general when drug related problems arise.
Love them or hate them, doctors in the US (and I would think in many other countries), took an oath to help the sick, and so treatment is given, but not for free. The bill goes somewhere, and that is to the government and thus the taxpaying public. At this point, the junkie IS affecting others by his or her choice.
But as for cannibus as compared to alcohol, it goes back to regulation. The effects seem to be very similar, but the average person can grow a lifetime supply of cannibus quite easily and cheaply and so no tax money!!!!!!!
Still, democracy does try very hard to find an unhappy middle road for many things. Try to please the majority, or at least the ones who vote!
02-22-2008, 07:41 PM #192Senior Member
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Hiya, O mighty, but repressed, chief of the tribe of fierce and frozen Olgas.
Though my experience with heavy drug abusers didn't last so long as yours, it still was long enough to give me some insight in the problem. A year or so I functioned as support-person for a couple of junkies, they lived in my house, and were generally a pest. So ofcourse it does have some social effect.
But my idea is, that society at best could give a kind of minimum help to such persons. On certain conditions, namely that they (the junkies) would accept treatment in such a form, that they couldn't get any drugs. That means isolation somewhere, until the abstinence is over. Not all this endless talk with psychologists, therapists, doctors, social workers, police etc. It doesn't function in any case, and only costs a lot of the taxpayers' money. To my knowledge AA is the best system for alcoholics, and it is based on the very simple fact, that a person decides to stop abusing whatever drug s/he uses. And AA is cheap.
If an abuser refuses to accept treatment, and continues to use drugs, I think that some nice little island somewhere especially for such people, would be an idea. This way society wouldn't be burdened too much economically or socially, and the abusers wouldn't actually be in prison, only isolated from the mainstream society.
The scandinavian countries, who still have relatively good wellfare systems, were earlier far too lenient on abusers. For a while it payed to misuse drugs or alcohol. You would be given a generous pension, with very small expectations on the abuser's behalf. All this based on the assumption, that human beings are unable to make choices and take responsibilty(because we are 100% machines). Ofcourse enthusiastically accompagnied by a lot of socialist hive-mind theories and Freud'ian babbling. The result is, that we have almost a whole generation of spoiled, "professional" abusers.
As to what recreational drugs are legal, it must be remembered, that "drugs" mean a lot of things. Some are relatively harmless (though all drugs have some side-effects) and not very habitforming or socially destructive. Others are pure poison. The non-repressive society could have a much greater distinction between the relatively harmless and the very dangerous. The present attitude is woolly or mirrors some political ideology, and not the actual danger connected with use of a specific drug. F.ex. cannabis, which has the effect of making the user almost apathic, non-violent (if not mixed with other drugs) and somewhat anti-hierachial. In a society where "growth", expansion and dynamics are the holy grail, the idea of just sitting in the sun without many ambitions, is heretic. So cannabis is frowned upon.
For the consumer's hysteria to exist, it's necessary that everyone is neurotic, otherwise people wouldn't believe, that they could create happiness by comsuming. The steady hunt for producing and comsuming, which keeps the wheels running.
PS Will Alfred take care of the Olgas, when you're gone? Otherwise I could baby-, or rather Olgasit them. I don't think it would be a good idea to take them with you. Your ambiguous female contact could arrive at wrong conclusions.
02-22-2008, 10:24 PM #193Senior Member
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Greetings and salutations swede! Some of what you say makes sense, except, why can't you send us non-junkies to live on a nice little island??? The problem with that idea is people like me. Stupid fools who are in love with the person, or parents or friends who retain the smallest hope that something we will do might change this messed up person. We are the ones who won't allow our loved ones to be shipped off to some island somewhere. Sad but true.
Something of note is that US laws can vary from state to state. I never married my junkie wh@re ex-girlfriend. If I had, I could have had her commited for psychiatric review and drug analysis (She was also a "cutter"). While driving through Maryland, she asked me if I wanted to get married. I said okay, but then she backed off from it. Maryland has quicky marriages. If we lived in states that observe common-law marriage, we would have been considered marreied simply because we lived together as a couple for so many years.
Under these circumstances, I would have had more power to help her, and her two kids, but.......
As to the welfare (socialist) systems in both our countries, I feel it almost becomes a situation where we must, in part, accept the good with the bad... or ugly. As you have said and I fully agree, democracy is far from perfection, but it's the best we can come up with in it's semi-functional (at best) form that currently exists.
Abuses will occur within any social program such as welfare/general assistance. GA is the new and improved politically correct term, since welfare has taken on a somewhat derogatory meaning here in the states. It's the job of the people to make enough stink about it to even catch the attention of the law makers and then hope they can figure out how to make changes happen. Naturally, these changes can't create such an uproar as to possibly cost the politician the next election, so we can only cross our fingers.
I personally have little problem with natural drugs. Things that grow, and can be used in their natural state like cannibus or payote. Things that are manufactured, or processed, need to be controlled in my view.
I think the political fear at this point is that if they legalize cannibus, what's next? If enough coke addicts scream loud enough, does that become legal too? Then along come the heroin junkies and so on. So, they keep it all illegal and forget about it. It is easier...
Thanks for your offer, but the duties of watching out for the Olgas will be turned over to Frau Ava Hindenberg, a German national and former speed skater with the East German Olympic team in 1972.
02-23-2008, 01:30 AM #194Senior Member
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As it has been some time since my last three Olgas update, and I am now fairly well lubricated, thus allowing my literary juices to flow freely, so here it is!!!!
The three Olgas, now off punishment for having set the boat house ablaze, have returned poolside. The fact that they do this in 30 degree F weather still boggles my mind. It was snowing here at Stately Smoks Manor today!!!
After several hours, and once achieving a total body numbness usually reserved for cadavers and frozen vegetables, they scurried inside to watch "Green Acres". They don't wear watches, and there is no clock by the swimming pool, so how they know when it's time for "Green Acres" is beyond me? By episode six, they had sufficiently defrosted. Their spectacular NERTS, however, remained completely in tact!
Now, feeling the pangs of hunger, they all ran to the kitchen, as though chained together or syncronized scurriers, which still scares me a little, and prepared themselves some chocolate chip pancakes and smoothered them with whipped cream and cherries. Unlike their heroine Lisa Douglas (that's heroine with an 'e' on the end, not to be confussed with the drug, without the 'e' on the end, that my junkie wh@re X was so in love with), the three Olgas do actually make some pretty tasty pancakes! I'm just sick of them!!!
After the hour I allowed them to spend on the computer today, Alfred drove them to the Western Union store in the mall. I keep meaning to ask them about that???? Feeling generous, and maybe a bit guilty about having to punish them, I instructed Alfred that he could allow them to either pick one large shiny object to share, or three small ones. Upon their return home, is when I came to realize that Alfred is a 'beep'ing boob. He's presently returning the three 1kt diamond rings the Olgas picked out to the jewelry store at the mall.
Undaunted by this setback, the Olgas then took their spectacular NERTS and a bottle of vodka to the boudoir and began to shine their brass idol in ways that the union informs me, still has an insufficient 'beeps' in reserve for me to properly describe to you all in any great detail.
swede, to clarify, Frau Ava Hindenberg came highly recommended by one of my fellow tights and cape wearing, millionaire playboy comrades, having used her services, not too long ago, when he went on a similar trip as the one I'm taking. (He has three Svetlanas by the way!) Frau Hindenberg may be just what the three Olgas need! She is a veteran of the old east German speed skating team, and is highly disciplined. At 6'2" tall and 175 pounds, she is quite a statuesque woman indeed, and her Adam's apple is hardly noticeable! With luck, she will bring some of this discipline to my Olgas, as you seem to feel I give them too much freedom.
Well, Alfred has returned, and is now out back rebuilding the boat house, the three Olgas are using their 'beeps' and their 'beeps' and their tight little 'beeps' to shine their brass idol, with NERTS fully in tact, and I have just received an e-mail from someone named Elena?
I guess I'll answer it later, because I have to put on my tights and cape now, get into my totally inconspicuos over-the-top, 2000 horsepowered black prototype car and cruise the city looking to right injustice wherever it may be hiding!!! Mmmmmmmmmmm...... or I could just have another beer and see if the Olgas want to shine me for a while!!!![8D]
Next Three Olgas update before I leave next Thursday!!!! Maybe it will be Four Olgas when I return????????[)]
02-23-2008, 03:30 PM #195Senior Member
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"Greetings and salutations swede! Some of what you say makes sense, except, why can't you send us non-junkies to live on a nice little island??? The problem with that idea is people like me. Stupid fools who are in love with the person, or parents or friends who retain the smallest hope that something we will do might change this messed up person. We are the ones who won't allow our loved ones to be shipped off to some island somewhere. Sad but true."
There are still more non-junkies than junkies, so that island would have to be quite big to hold all the non-junkies.
Don't tell me about being stupid. I'm an expert, having spent a considerable part of my life being involved with alcoholics, drug-abusers or sociopaths. They probably have some sixth sense telling them, that I'm the perfect victim. But I refuse to let it make me bitter or dejected. Maybe more wary now. My personal answer is to find my own, inner strength (though I do not recommend new-age week-end courses in finding your inner badger to do this. There are better ways).
"If I had, I could have had her commited for psychiatric review"
You know as well as I do, that if she didn't have the wish and will to stop, it wouldn't have helped.
"As to the welfare (socialist) systems in both our countries, I feel it almost becomes a situation where we must, in part, accept the good with the bad... or ugly."
Balance is as always the keyword. There's no need to make things black or white. A minimum of help for survival, but never so much, that it pays better to stop taking responsibilty (it was that bad formerly in Scandinavia. Some times you would have 10-20% more in available income, if you were unemployed).
"I think the political fear at this point is that if they legalize cannibus, what's next? If enough coke addicts scream loud enough, does that become legal too? Then along come the heroin junkies and so on."
As you say, it's a political question (based on some more fundamental ideology). But if the problem was considered from a rational point of wiev, it wouldn't be so difficult.
It's fairly easy to determine the negative effects of the substances we ingest. But the evaluation isn't done from rational values. Take f.ex. USA, the country of ulcers and heartproblems. Seen from a quantitative point of wiev, sugar, coffee and certain kinds of fats are creating far more economical and medical problems than any drugs. (Ofcourse seen on a national scale, for the individual drugs can be worse). And at least coffee and sugar are addictive. But nobody would even think about making them illegal in spite of this.
" Thanks for your offer, but the duties of watching out for the Olgas will be turned over to Frau Ava Hindenberg, a German national and former speed skater with the East German Olympic team in 1972."
With such a name and background, the possibilty exists, that Fray Hindenberg will be able to instill a longneeded and overdue sense of discipline in the Olgas. Something you, sad to say, have neglected totally, even if you earlier have tried to deny it in a feeble and unconvincing way.
".........the three Olgas do actually make some pretty tasty pancakes! I'm just sick of them!!!"
Before my present marriage became perfect (that means, we don't live in the same place), I also (barely) survived on such a diet. Though with the addition of every known variety of potatoes deepfried in huge amounts of oil for a long time. Being a fairly good cook myself, I tried to introduce such exotic items as minerals and vitamins in our food. To no avail, ofcourse. It's not that FSUW are especially stubborn (that requires you must have a short-time memory valid more than one hour), but they are able to confuse away any issue whatsoever. In the end it requires a superhuman integrity to fight such, and anyone with superhuman integrity would not have married a FSUW in the first place.
"With luck, she will bring some of this discipline to my Olgas, as you seem to feel I give them too much freedom."
Well, you said it yourself. I'm happy, that you do listen to me sometimes. We can still make a man out of you, in spite of your national background with motherhood and stuff like that. While you are abroad, sitting alone and depressed in your hotelroom, you may take up the thought, that you can go look for your ancestral heritage, when you get back to the states. And GET that intiation, making you into a human being. Why, I am probably closer to that, having a totem-animal (it's true, I have), being able to speak amerind sign-language and having functioned as a guide on spirit-travels some years.
"and I have just received an e-mail from someone named Elena?"
I TOLD her only to use my PC on sundays. If I can only find out, which one of the Elenas who did it, she'll soon discover, she's living. Solitary confinement in the rootcellar for a starter.
"Maybe it will be Four Olgas when I return????????"
You're still a young man. You have time to learn.
I might add, that Alfreds aren't, what they used to be. So don't expect too much from him. I would put my money on the german Olga-sitter. She probably even has a martial art reinforced corset, giving her moral superiority over the Olgas.
02-24-2008, 07:28 PM #196Senior Member
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no soapopera today. There's been a storm here and electricity has been gone for half a day.
PeopleS, do I remember correct, if I believe you are off tuesday this week?
In that case you'll be probably busy instructing the german Olga-sitter(instructions she'll forget, the second you're out the door), Alfred and make any other last moment arrangements.
So I and greatgrandfather badger send you all our best wishes now, and by special dispensation you also get some divine help from the intelligent designer, in case you need it. You just go to the nearest church, relic or holy place and look straight at it. After an eye-scanning, your help will arrive quickly (ofcourse in unexpected ways).
So good luck, with hopes of a later positive feedback, which will shame all the lemon-faces.
02-25-2008, 02:35 AM #197Member
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If PeopleS is heading out Tuesday then I would like to wish ya best of luck!!! Hope it all goes well and if it does not work out with the first gal then maybe things will rock with the back-up plan.
-Have a great trip and report in every chance ya get! We want to know how its going.
02-25-2008, 10:28 AM #198Senior Member
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Hey guys! Actually I leave Thursday and loose a day in the air, so I'll arrive in Ukraine Friday. Plan A has already gone south, as the young lady has informed me she is feeling depressed and would like me to postpone our meeting.
I told her that I'm coming to Ukraine Friday and that's all there is to it. She then informed me she is going to stay with relatives because she is too depressed for our meeting and that I was unreasonable and didn't care about her feelings.
I reminded her that all my arrangements have been made and paid for. I told her any real woman would appreciate all the effort that a man has made to travel 8,000 km just to see her and that she was being selfish and immature. I also told her that apparently my original fears that she was too young for serious relations were correct.
I wished her good luck in finding whatever it is that she hopes to find and that I plan to enjoy the sites of Luhansk with or without her. The guy who's taking me from the airport to my flat asked me about what is going on with her and I told him. He said we would have to go to a disco then!!!!
I do have a plan B however and plan to give her a call tonight after work.[:0] As I said before, I'm not going to Ukraine looking for random sexual encounters, but to meet a nice girl, whether it's the original girl, my plan B, or another girl entirely??? No matter what, I intend on enjoying my vacation to the fullest! I did thank the first girl for giving me the incentuve to take what I know will be a great vacation!!![8D]
I know everyone wishes me good luck and it's appreciated. I should be able to find an internet cafe, so updates should come while I'm there.
Frau Ava Hindenberg is scheduled to arrive here at Stately Smoks Manor on Tuesday, so I'll let you know how that goes later.
02-25-2008, 11:34 AM #199Senior Member
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That was sad, but maybe not completely unexpected. But I'm glad, that the "strategy" for first-time visitors to FSU, which has developed collectively on this forum the last couple of months, seems to function for you.
Wish I've had such information some years ago. It would have saved me a lot of heartache.
"..........................and that I was unreasonable and didn't care about her feelings".
As the girl is a real person, this attitude demonstrates the sulking sullen'ness, which I've pointed out as something typical for FSUW. They do it also with local men. No matter what you do for the gals, they will always behave, as if you've only done your expected duty, though imperfectly. No wonder the men spend most of their free time sitting in a bar drinking.
Could be, that this behavioural pattern is also commonly found in the states. In that case I must thank the intelligent designer for being a northwestern european.
Having hated loud music all my life, I'm generally unfamiliar with the disco-subculture anywhere. The only time I've been fooled into visiting one in FSU (and satellite states) was in Poland. The place was CRAMMED with hookers (I guess only 10% of the present women were non-hookers. I had this information from the locals bringing me there). But there may be discos and then discos. Maybe some of them are representative of the average locals.
But no matter what, I can almost promise you a great holiday. And in case you're an avid reader, bring your own book(s). You'll have a hard time finding any in english there.
02-25-2008, 12:06 PM #200Member
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I Wish you a Safe and somehow Enjoyable trip-Truely!!