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    Brothers and sisters, let us all gather to praise the unintelligent designer of the universe, because he in his endless mysteriousity has made a revival of the alpha-male syndrom possible.

    We thank thee, O Big Boss in the sky, and for our worship and submission to thee, we only ask one small favor in return.

    Please don't let this last so long, that it will have a permanent negative effect on the stockmarket.

    Sorry, one more thing. Couldn't you make the pricetags on FSUW go down a bit? Not everyone can afford a swimmingpool.

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    Hey swede!
    quote:Cit PeopleS:

    "The individual does not necessarily benefit, but both species have become stronger."

    Yes, correct, But what's the purpose of that?
    The purpose is very simple... survival of the fittest. Both species become stronger because the weak die off. As human beings, we have left this behind. We are capable of adjusting our enviroment to suit our wishes, so the not so fittest also survive.

    You seem to want to blame God, ID, whatever you choose to call it, for mankind's screw ups. To me, that is like blaming the dad for giving junior a hockey stick for Christmas and the kid clubs a puppy to death. Bad dad or bad kid?

    We as a species have been given the intelligence and the ability to do so much. We have been provided with all the raw materials to create anything we can imagine. In some cases, we have chosen to build hospitals to care for the sick. One of my company's accounts is with St. John of God. It is a school for "special" children and adults. We as a species have chosen to try to take care of these people and give them the extra help they need instead of allowing "nature" to take it's course.

    And yet, we also choose to kill each other? "Why does God let these things happen?", some will often ask. It is the freedom to chose that we have been given. Maybe God simply gives us too much credit for being able to figure out right from wrong on our own? Or should I say making the choice of right over wrong?

    Still, as "developed" as humans may be, we are still animals, with very basic animal instincts woven deeply into our genetics. Our preditory nature is just that, our nature. The type of symbiosis that you seem to look for would appear to be more along the lines of a socialistic symbiosis than that of a naturally driven one. Until the time comes when human preditory instict has faded away, such a social symbiosis will be impossible. Don't look for this to happen soon!

    FSUWs and WMs are a social issue on a much smaller scale. As I have said, I see the biggest problem being the over-the-top expectations that both sides have for the other. And, I blame much of this on the propaganda spread by the various agency money machines. The agencies don't make any money from their successful pairings! They only make money from continued hope, and they do everything they can to fuel this fire.

    Some sites feature thousands of beautiful women... some are even real! But, how many success stories do you see considering the number of girls featured? Educating WMs to the reality of what an FSUW really is, is easy compared to educating the FSUWs about the real WMs. The FSUWs are still quite isolated by the agencies. The language barrier is the agency's greatest ally, and they exploit it to the fullest.

    It may only be after having a "real" meeting with several WMs that an FSUW actually gets to know what we are really like. "No malishka, I don't have a swimming pool!" But the agency tells her she can do better, so it's back to the agency to post new photos in her profile to attract the next batch of hopefuls who will spend money with the agency!

    Here is classic preditory behavior. The agencies "feed" on the hopes... and money of the WM clients. I honestly don't see a change coming in this attitude in any big hurry!

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    CONTENTMENT... Having a general satisfaction with one's own life and or situation.

    A great many people are simply content with their present situation and see no need to change. Let's forget about noble intentions and altruistic thoughts for the moment. Mankind is made up of individuals, each having his or her own personal agenda. I am no different. My motivation for everything and anything I do is my own.

    Like most people, I have no NEED to have a symbiotic relationship with the world. The emotional exchange I have with friends and family is enough... I'm satisfied... I'm content. However, like most people, I still feel a need for a coupling type of relationship and the exchange that goes with it. This is probably the greatest discontent in my life.

    Motivation... This feeling of something I desire, but don't have, is motivation for me to seek such companionship. At present, I make my search via the FSU/MOB route, as do a good number of WMs. However, I try to make this search with eyes and mind open wide.

    Contentment and motivation are two things you would need to figure out on mass to realize the kind of change you hope for. What would motivate a person to seek such change if he is content with his present situation?

    Now, I will factor in POWER, noble intentions and altruism. In our world, it seems that it is more likely that those who "have not" are more inclined toward a desire for socialistic symbiosis than those who "have". Those who "have" are usually only interested in "more" for themselves. Forget nobilty and altruism!

    Maybe you will find one of a million of the powerful who actually seems to give a sh!t about anything other than aquiring more power? I'll give you one that I can think of... former US President Jimmy Carter. But even his efforts are directed more toward those who might be able to afford the homes he helps build, but may be struggling to buy one without a little help. Still, he hasn't given up his personal millions and taken a vow of poverty!

    So, how does one go about convincing the power brokers that social symbiosis is a good idea? Remember, these are the top preditors we are talking about, and let's face facts, there simply aren't enough Bolshevics to go around.

    No my friend, the type of symbiosis that you seem to describe appears to be more along the lines of an experiment in socialism that will never happen so long as humans retain our basic preditory insticts. Evolution or mutation?




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    Cit PeopleS:

    "The purpose is very simple... survival of the fittest."

    This is an old joke: "Survival of the fittest..... Who are the fittest?........Those who survive"

    Cit PeopleS:

    "You seem to want to blame God, ID, whatever you choose to call it, for mankind's screw ups."

    Actually I was trying to make fun of humanity's endless inability to take responsibility for its own actions, but obviously I missed the mark.

    Cit PeopleS:

    "The type of symbiosis that you seem to look for would appear to be more along the lines of a socialistic symbiosis than that of a naturally driven one. Until the time comes when human preditory instict has faded away, such a social symbiosis will be impossible. Don't look for this to happen soon!"

    I would hate to rely on a political system like socialism for creating a functional symbiosis, for the simple reason, that systems don't change people. Only people can change people (themselves). The alpha-male syndrome is evolutionary obsolete now, and is, quite in accordance with your own description of our abilities, actually counter-productive. The problem is ofcourse, that those who make most of our decisions, also are those suffering most strongly from the alpha-male syndrom.

    Man, I'm the one who's gloomy, slightly depressed and tired from this. You're supposed to tell me: "Swede, don't take it so hard. Everything will be fine" instead of agreeing so wholeheartedly with me about the small chances of a betterment.

    Concerning the WM/FSUW I believe we're saying more or less the same in different ways. Should we try to find workable solutions to the problem? I mean, I'm already into worldsaving activities at the present. One more or less wouldn't make so much difference.

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    Hey swede! Amongst the lower animals on this rock, survival of the fittest, or "natural selection" is normal. Yes, only the most cunning, fastest, strongest, and in some cases like peacocks and other birds, the most colorful who survive to pass their genes to a new generation.

    A crippled preditor usual starves to death, unless it finds a crippled prey, but the odds are a healthy preditor has already found it. It is natures way of assuring that the species will remain strong. Nature weeds out the weak! Some other species may try to care for the sick, injured or alternately challenged within their group, but it rarely works out.

    Survival of the fittest is all around us though, even in our civilized world. Tell me how many short, chubby, mentally challenged football players you can think of? American or european style football... bigger, faster, stronger!

    Now, I don't prescribe to survival of the fittest as being the proper course for humans! I simply point out that it is the way it is in much of the animal kingdom and it has it's benefits within that realm. It is human compassion, combined with our ability (opposing thumbs help a lot) to care for the sick or challenged that make us different from lower animals. But, I do recall someone making this part of his openning statement to this thread...
    quote:I believe, that we like all other animals fundamentally are biological robots. We have a digestive system with two openings, a need to reproduce and to fight for a place in a predatory system. That's our startingpoint.
    In many ways, it would seem that mankind hasn't gotten too far past the starting point? But, don't worry too much swede, everything will be okay... possibly... maybe... in a few hundred millenia or so??? Apparently evolution is a little slower than we had hoped. Or maybe it's over-rated all together? Look at a shark. Often described as "the perfect eating machine". They haven't evolved much at all in the past 30 million years, and seem to be doing pretty good for themselves![8D]

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    Cit PeopleS:

    "But, don't worry too much swede, everything will be okay... possibly... maybe... in a few hundred millenia or so???"

    Thanks my friend, I knew I could rely on you. I feel much more optimistic now.

    I stil stand by my original statement about our fundamental animal'ness. What I'm hoping is, that we can grow out of this quick, because whereas the other animals do have their fights, sometimes vicious, they are not in a position to blow up the whole planet.

    One way or another, we simply have to get our primitive instincts up to the level of our effective intellects. It's not a good situation to having children in a sandbox playing with ABC weapon.

    In any case both you and I believe in responsibility, and that it helps to DO something. That's f.ex why we're here at this forum. Which I would like to believe HAS helped somewhat in the scamscene (ofcourse together with other dedicated persons).

    And I also know, that a real big problem, like mankind's occasional reptilebrain behaviour is a tough one. But we all have one little drop of responsibility in the big sea of human life. And the sheepwalkers will walk happily into any idiocy their leaders invent, and mostly the leaders make very peculiar decisions. So who's left?

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    Hey swede!
    quote:One way or another, we simply have to get our primitive instincts up to the level of our effective intellects. It's not a good situation to having children in a sandbox playing with ABC weapon.
    And herein lies the big problem!!! Hey, I like George W, but let's be perfectly honest... he's not the brightest bulb on the tree, yet since the break up of the Soviet Union, he controls the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think the US is the only sigle country that still has the capability to exterminate life on earth... except for the cockroaches of course. Russia may be capable, but I'm not certain?

    But, the US and Russia have been playing that game long enough to understand that there is not going to be a winner in such a conflict. In come the petty-dictators like Kim Jong-Il in North Korea. Definitely not the type of person anyone wants to have his finger anywhere near that kind of button. This guy should be in a rubber room playing with stuffed animals!

    At least with Il, North Korea doesn't have the abilty to destroy the world, although they can certainly make one heck of a mess, and there is a retaliatory point of origin. The aquisition of nukes by terrorist groups is the biggest concern we should all have. Seven years and we still haven't found Bin Laden! What? Do we nuke half of Turkey because someone told a guy who mentioned to another guy that a friend of his wife's brother's second cousin twice removed thought he heard a story that Bin Laden was hiding there in the mountains?

    So this brings another thing I touched on previously, back to the surface. The comprehension of right versus wrong. I've read that Bin Laden is a relatively intelligent individual, yet we see the path he has chosen. Bad parents or bad kid???[8D]

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    Hi PeopleS,

    I think we're touching the essentials now. What are the mechanisms of the predatory, reptile behaviour and is it possible to do anything at all about it. Since my last post I've spent some time thinking about it, and I believe I have some observations.

    Our intellectual achievements are to a high degree transferred. No-one is born with a ready language, reading, writing and math, and all the other things necessary for the present western civilisation. We simply have to spend a considerable part of our youth to pick up on former generations accumulated knowledge. While our intellectual capacity is big, it's still a learning process, when it comes to the point.

    In spite of all the shortcomings of the reptile brain, I believe it's possible to use a similar process there. And I've found an example, which is very realistic. In a lot of systems, people go through a process of learning to control the instinctive predatory impulses. Take buddhism f.ex. (and remember, that buddhism is more like a philosphy than a religion). As the aim of buddhists is to find an existential clarity, hopefully leading to 'reality', they are taught and trained to observe and later control predatory instincts. And in the cases, where such selfunderstanding and -discipline are acchieved, a better balance between reptile behaviour and intellect is also acchieved. You don't have to be a Buddha to get to such a level.

    Now I don't want to propagate for buddhism, or alternatively for 'education of the masses' (which often is a disguise for brainwashing), only to draw attention the possibility of bringing our predatory instincts under better control. This could be done along lines of western philosophy, science and humanitarian ideals.

    Amongst the other animal-species on this planet, an alpha (fe)male fight usually stops, when one part is defeated. Amongst humans such a functional attitude is less common. A human alpha male will take enormous risks of destruction (including not only himself, but also all of his flock) from sheer machismo. A female equalent probably exists: Fechismo maybe? And this is definitely counterproductive.

    This goes through all levels of life. To take an example from the central theme here. When I finished my UA relationship, I offered this woman two choices. She could either, without making it legally binding in any way, admit to me, that she'd been scamming me (which we both knew she had), or else........

    She chose 'or else....', something which later partly destroyed her scamming career. A simple admittance of her less than correct behaviour was too much for her. She wanted to defend her own lie, at a very high price.

    The problem is to find the corner of human activities, where such a selfdestructive, counterproductive and totally irrational behaviour can be changed. I believe, that I'm starting to see a pattern in this somewhere, a small hope for doing something constructive, instead of leaning back and waiting for an Armageddon, which may or may not come.

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    Hey swede! I'll start by saying that today sucks a hairy moose nut!!! I broke my friggin' toe this morning and I really wanted to go to work today! It's a union rate job I was supposed to do at twice my regular pay... and my regular pay isn't bad to begin with. Sucks to be me!!!!!
    quote:Our intellectual achievements are to a high degree transferred. No-one is born with a ready language, reading, writing and math, and all the other things necessary for the present western civilisation. We simply have to spend a considerable part of our youth to pick up on former generations accumulated knowledge. While our intellectual capacity is big, it's still a learning process, when it comes to the point.
    Yes and no... Communication skills are something that is instictive. A particular language is merely a matter of specifics. But even more is the ability to expand on hand-me-down teachings and CREATE something new.

    I have said that the desire for bigger, better, stronger, prettier, more, is instinctive. But, the ability to create these things is what goes beyond the basic insticts of man. I don't see pure intellect as man's defining attribute, but rather his ability to ascend to acheive the dream he has put before himself.

    Hey, maybe someday, someone will ascend to a level of thought, intelligence and/or reasoning to actually realize the dream that you are having today? It's not just learning and relearning that which has been done before, but expanding and adding to it that may save mankind in the end?
    quote:Now I don't want to propagate for buddhism, or alternatively for 'education of the masses' (which often is a disguise for brainwashing), only to draw attention the possibility of bringing our predatory instincts under better control. This could be done along lines of western philosophy, science and humanitarian ideals.
    Again, the only issue here is how do you get the reptile brained power brokers to allow this? The true genius who will start the process of saving mankind is the one who is able to make the power mongers believe he is doing something for their benefit![8D]

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    Hi PeopleS,

    sorry to hear about your toe (which probably means a part of your body, and not your 'Theory Of Everything'). That'll be a week or two without moving too much around. But you could get one of the Olgas to drive you in a wheelchair, if you still have any Olgas left. What with rising foodprices and the dollar going down, they must be a burden.

    Cit PeopleS:

    "Yes and no... Communication skills are something that is instictive. A particular language is merely a matter of specifics. But even more is the ability to expand on hand-me-down teachings and CREATE something new."

    Yes, I understand this to mean, that language is kind of natural for us to learn. But what about math and the hard sciences. Even if we have some enormous braincapacity, I doubt if we have a special instinct for math etc. I used to be a mathteacher in my youth, while I still lived in Denmark, and it was sometimes impossible to get the simplest idea of math into some of the kids (who otherwise were quite bright). That's completely acquired knowledge.

    So it should be possible to add knowledge to the reptile-brain also, though in a much smaller amount.

    I'm afraid, that your argument that the powerbrokers won't like such a scheme is correct. In Europe, where the terroristscare isn't quite as big as in the states, our alpha (fe)males have started their own 'bad guys' are here again campaign. Ivan has been taken out of the wardrobe and the mothballs shaken off, and now he's out to get us again.

    Everybody is quite surprised about this, not least the russians themselves, and besides they are already beeb'ed off because the swedish authorities now legally can listen to all russian web- and telphonetraffic going through Sweden, that's 80% of the russian traffic. So having a russian girlfriend makes you a little more suspect nowadays. And with three Olgas in the house, you'll be triple suspect and end up in a detentioncamp. And THEN, but not before, you'll think: Why didn't I listen to Swede?

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