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    Hey guys! Just to make one thing perfectly clear, aside from making derogatory comments about my mother, in which case I will hunt you down and perform acts of brutality on you that would leave Hitler speechless, you can't p!ss me off or offend me. We exchange ideas and opinions here... simple as that.

    swede, I suppose it's more than possible that Hawking originally came up with the theory of the universe continually going "BANG", expanding, then collapsing in on itself to near nothingness, and then going "BANG" again. I often try to take in a general concept and information, but admittedly don't remember all the details.

    I personally find it to be a very interesting concept which allows for both a God and no God scenario. The only people who might have a problem with the "infinity theory" would be those who take the Bible literally, word for word and not as I see it, a great story wrapped in multiple metaphor, as the book quotes God as saying he/she/it is the alpha and the omega. The infinity theory does really have a beginning or end. Still, one could appease the biblical scolars by saying that God is the beginning and the end of our existense???

    As for my moving to Ukraine, why not? All an enterprising WM needs to succeed is a decent knowledge of Russian or an accomplice, a computer, and a few photos of pretty girls![}]

    Prometheus, I have nothing against Willy C. getting a fat chick to suck his Willy Jr in the Oval Office. It's the lying, and the fact that he cheated on his wife!!! Democrat or Republican, I don't excuse any millionaire politician from ANY indescretion they commit, especial while in office, and even more so if they try p!ssing on my leg and then tell me it's raining!!!

    As for being a great president, nothing Clinton did had any real positive effect on this country's economy. It's a cycle that will continue tomorrow, just as it has for decades. If anything, Clintons policies contributed to our current problems, just as Coolidge's economics brought down the house during Hoover's admin.


    The Roaring Twenties: 1920?1929

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    The Stock Market Crash of 1929

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    The prosperity of the 1920s finally ended when the ?bull market? suddenly showed the strain of overvaluation in the fall of 1929. The value of the stock market had more than quadrupled during the 1920s primarily because Americans had purchased stock ?on margin? by using the future earnings from their investments to buy even more stock. Even though buying stock on margin grossly distorted the real value of the investments, most people naively assumed the market would continue to climb. Therefore, they funded their lavish lifestyles on credit.
    When the market buckled and stock prices began to slip, brokers made ?margin calls? requesting investors to pay off the debts owed on stock purchased on margin. Unfortunately, most people didn?t have the cash to pay back the brokers. Instead, they tried to sell all their investments quickly to come up with the extra money. The surge in stock dumping eventually caused the most catastrophic market crash in American history on Black Tuesday: October 29, 1929. In spite of attempts by major investors to bolster the rapidly declining market, Black Tuesday marked the beginning of the rapid economic collapse known as the Great Depression.

    This is a very similar "feel good" economy that the country saw under Clinton. Intrest rates dropped drastically to promote consumer spending, yet we were still encouraged to save, bank savings became a joke, or invest in our future. The investments were housing, and the stock market which grew out of control under Clinton. Granted, the Bush administration didn't see what was coming either, because he was a tad bit too busy with his vendetta against Saddam Hussein, and so went with the program until it fell apart.

    As for the $600 from George, I hope you hid it and stuffed it in your mattress, because Barrack is going to be asking for it back! The biggest mistake he will make is simply trying to do too much. And as I say, wait until that first big tax hike!!! OUCH! There goes another company setting up in Pakistan!!!

    Have you noticed that gas prices have dropped almost to $2 per gallon in the past month or so??? Do you give Bush credit for his economic savy and for getting the oil companies to lower prices? Everyone sure blamed him when prices went up over $4 per gallon!!![B)][V] It's a double edge sword my friend. Bush's policies had no more to do with gas prices coming down than they did with prices go up.

    No guys, I'm not from a millitary family so to speak, although several members of my family have served. I simply believe in a strong national defense and that's all. I sincerely hope that Obama can figure out a way to leave Afghanistan and Iraq without leaving it to the bad guys to take back. I wish him luck. I personally love our 12 Nimitz class carriers full of FA-18s!!! I think they should be parked along the shore line daring anyone to come HERE! I've also said before that I would also support closing our borders completely to imigration except for political refugees facing death, in order to take care of our own first for a few years, and then returning to take care of the rest of the world later.

    But, like I say, before we start talking about "sharing the wealth", I'd like to see those multi-millionaires who are selling that bit of snake oil to spread some of their persoal wealth around... It won't happen!






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    Actually, I think $4 a gallon got us $2 a gallon. Demand plummetted as forclosures rose, unemployment spiked, and people watched their lifetime savings in 401(k) accounts disappear overnight. Who can fill up a Hummer when your life is in the crapper? So I guess Bush's "sound" policies which placed the world's economy in the ditch really did have some good affects after all. I can now afford enough gas to drive downtown to pick up my unemployment check.

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    I guess personal experiences have a lot to do with one's perception. I was unemployed twice because the companies I worked for went bankrupt, and untimately lost my house to foreclosure. Bill Clinton was President when all this happened.

    During the past four years, my income has gone up nearly 50%!!! Yes, 50%, that's not a typo!!! I have money in the bank, and my 401k is doing quite nicely. Sadly, with the financial beating I suffered during the Clinton years, I will never be able to by a house again unless I pay cash. But, at least now, I know I can afford one where as 10 or 12 years ago... Hahaha on me!

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    quote:Originally posted by PeopleSmoks

    I guess personal experiences have a lot to do with one's perception. I was unemployed twice because the companies I worked for went bankrupt, and untimately lost my house to foreclosure. Bill Clinton was President when all this happened.

    During the past four years, my income has gone up nearly 50%!!! Yes, 50%, that's not a typo!!! I have money in the bank, and my 401k is doing quite nicely. Sadly, with the financial beating I suffered during the Clinton years, I will never be able to by a house again unless I pay cash. But, at least now, I know I can afford one where as 10 or 12 years ago... Hahaha on me!

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    Well the late Tip O'Neill said it best, "All politics are local." My profession tends to move in opposite directions with the fortunes of the GOP. I lost two jobs, had a bankruptcy, and fought off a foreclosure during the latest Bush regime. I'm no fan. Not sure I would have survived eight years of McCain/Palin.


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    Hey Prometheus! Not to beat a dead horse, but a point of interest which has to do with the socio-political habits of the truely impoverished, is the seemingly blind devotion they hold to the promises of the Democratic party. http://www.cappersmall.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=300818. This link shows the apparent inability of these poor people to effect any real change within the cities they live, but a tendency to cling to the same failed politics they have become accustomed to.

    Living in south Jersey, I have a front row seat to two of the worst cities in the US, both of which are controlled by the Democratic party. Camden, NJ is a sh!t hole, and that's being polite. I will admit that the Democrats here are among the most corrupt individuals found anywhere in any political party. Nepotism, palm greasing and back room deals are simply the way business is done. I don't group all Democrats in with this abhor able group, but being what I see locally, they don't leave me with favorable thoughts of the party.

    Philadelphia is the cradle of liberty, home of the World Series champs and the first capital of the US!!! It's also the most likely place in the country to be killed. A person might be safer dressing up as Uncle Sam and go door to door in Kabul, Afghanistan declaring that the taliban sucks than he is sitting in his livingroom watching TV during a shoot out between local drug dealers in West Philly! Philly is also a Democratic strong hold filled with some of the poorest Americans. Forget Jeweler's Row or Society Hill.

    Mayor Michael Nutter is currently in the process of cutting back fire and police services. I'm sorry, but regardless of finances, those are two things you never cut back on, especially if those are two of the things you promised to increase during your campaign! Bad form for Mikey!!![V]

    Police are the local equivalent to a strong national military. Once order and security for the populous have been established, then it is possible to build the infrastructure. Who wants to open a business in a city where you may be robbed, murdered or have your store burned to the ground?

    But, which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Are other cities affluent because of their Republican mayors, or do they have Republican mayors because of the affluence?

    It should be noted that most of the cities on the above link list have been controlled by the Democrats for decades, so the decline into poverty is something that occured while they were in office. So, where's the change?[B)]

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    Democracy is like a vegetable garden. It needs to be weeded ever so often.

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    Hey guys! Politics can be a very passionate thing for many. It's clear that general party ideals appeal to different individuals in different ways. Regardless of Prometheus or my political philosophies, it does need to be realized that on a national level, Americans in general don't seem to vote for ideals, but rather the promise of "change", because of disatisfaction with a current administration. I see this as a relatively modern phenom which became evident in 1976, with the election of Jimmy Carter.

    Richard Nixon wasn't a bad President. His greatest legacy should be that he set the fall of the USSR in motion by openning relations with China. Despite their communist policies, China wasn't particularly a supporter of the SU. Although, it wasn't a full alliance, friendly relations with China caused a bit of concern in Moscow since now, confrontation with the US may increase the likelyhood that China would join in against the SU for their own gains.

    Unfortunately, Nixon will always be best remembered for the Vietnam War, which many people seem to forget he inheritted, and the whole Watergate scandal. Gerald Ford was a good man and a savy politician. His service to the US was similar to John McCain's in a number of ways. He would have been a good president, but was over-shadowed by Nixon and the country's distaste for Nixon overflowed to Ford in 1976.

    Carter was a genuine "nice guy"... and still is. This country could use a man like him, but not as President. As a negotiator, he has magic, but the depletion of the military under his admin was horrifying! In steps Reagan. His restoration of American pride saved this country. The deficits he created are a problem, but we desperately needed to rebuild or military. Also, like it or not, he did put the breaks on double digit inflation.

    George Sr. inherited the benefits of Reagan's popularity, but a sudden downward turn in the economy and the tax increase he set forth, cancelled his popularity after the first Gulf War. The economy was caught up in a post war freefall similar to that after Vietnam finally ended. Also, some of the growth during the Reagan years proved unsustainable and a recession was inevitable, just as it is now, after the unsustainable growth under Clinton and the first part of the Bush Jr years.

    It might have been possible for Gore to have won the presidency, despite the fact that he's possibly THE most boring man on earth, had it not been for the multiple Clinton scandals. I think that Whitewater and Enron caused a bigger stir than Willy getting a fat chick to... well, we all know what happened. Bush used these scandals to his advantage by asscociating Gore with Clinton.

    So, we saw this recent election become more Obama vs Bush than Obama vs McCain, especially in the last couple of months, where Obama went on a heavy attack against McCain by making him into a Bush Republican. I do blame McCain for not reacting sooner. I also hope to see the votes he got from women. I think the Sara Palin gambit was a failure in grabbing the Hillary vote. He really needed an attack dog in the way Obama used Biden, which is the more traditional role of the VP candidates.

    I hope Obama is able to focus on something and get it done without screwing up the works by trying to do too much. It will be a very interesting first twoo years. If he screws up, he'll surely find himself dealing with a Republican Congress for the remainder of his term, and then very little will get done.



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    Hey guys! I'm watching The Military Channel on TV. I just saw something that is very scary!!! At least, it should be scary to all the bad guys. Apparently, the US military is developing a tailless, carrier based, fighter size, stealth bomber. It looks like a small B-2 bomber and has the same stealth characteristics.

    The plane has a 4500lb bomb payload and mid-air refueling capability. Even though it's being designed for the Navy and to land on a carrier, this beast will NEVER have to land once airborn! Screw the pilot becoming fatigued. This thing is also a UAV!!!

    The X-47B looks like the future is here... at least it will be around 2011, which is when deployment is tenatively scheduled.

    Now, if the military would start figuring out how to take soldiers out of the tanks and other places where our kids are really in harms way!!! Although, personell sized robots are constantly in development, being a sci fi buff, I start thinking about the movie "Terminator". AI is real kids. They actually have a computer that "thinks" beyond it's base program. Fortunately, it only likes to play chess and hasn't develpoed a taste for world domination yet!

    Now, a truley twisted down side to taking troops out of planes, tanks, etc... There will be another couple hundred thousand people looking for "real" jobs in the private sector!!!

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    quote:Originally posted by swede

    Democracy is like a vegetable garden. It needs to be weeded ever so often.
    Marx said that "religion is the opiate of the masses." The same can be said of democracy. A form of mass delusion. We like to blame urban decay on the mayor, or the current recession on the president, but in truth there are many factors all working at the same time. Chaos theory is probably a more appropriate analogy.

    What we do know about chaos theory is that it must be "sensitive to initial conditions." This is where leadership comes into play. If the primary dynamic of the leadership model is favortism of the wealthy, war mongering, and disenfranchisement of the masses, the ultimate result will be what we saw during King George II's reign. He did not cause it to happen, per se, but he created the conditions that permitted it to happen. Butterfly effect to the tenth power.

    I think Obama's election will put a whole new paradigm into play. It will be interesting to see what we are looking at in four years. Good or bad, he won't bear the burden of causing it, rather his legacy will be setting into play the conditions that allowed it to happen.

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