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    And now for another exciting installment of the ongoing saga... "My Three Olgas"... brought to you without commercial interuption by the fine folks at UALadys where the motto is, "Haney rocks!!!"

    It's been a lousy passed few weeks here at Stately Smoks Manor. You see, I learned a valuable , if not expensive lesson. It came about because my dear friend swede has often criticized the manner in which I have handled my three Olgas in the past by allowing them to run wild and free with a minimal amount of overseeing from the more than capable Frau Eva Hindenberg. So, I made the mistake of attempting to train them. Did I say mistake?

    It all started a few months ago... Despite the sometimes bitter cold, my three Olgas have always gravitated to the cement pond like a solar system caught in the death grip of a black hole. Okay... they really weren't hurting anything, and the way they huddled together, their teeth chattering and N.E.R.T.S standing to spectacular attention with that glass cutting look about them, well... It was actually kind of cute. And Prada never hurt anyone really...

    But, on the advise of good ole swede, I put an end to their seemingly ridiculous ways and placed limits on their activities. Did I say mistake?

    Unlike Prometheus' FSU bride, my three Olgas have been more of the hap-hazzard destructive nature, as opposed to blatantly vendictive. Boy, was I ever in for a treat!!! Guys, never mistake the cute little, mostly harmless, almost whimsical nature of your FSU honey for anything more than it is, because if you can't deal with that little slice of heaven, the dark side of the force is so much worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I was cut off completely! No more Olga on Olga on Olga pillow fights while wearing nothing but a smile with video playback, jello wrestling (while wearing nothing but a smile), pole dancing complete with complimentary lap dance (while wearing... You get the picture). Now for a brief intermission while we close our eyes and savor the picture in our heads!

    Okay, I'm back... No more playing 'Oops I dropped my Prada handbag and despite wearing a very short skirt and no panties, but I feel the need to pick it up straight legged, bending only at the waist.'[] No more 'We were out by the pool in -10 degree weather and need to be warmed up by extensive bodily generated friction!!! Oh, did I mention the thing about having made a mistake? Well, it gets better... (worse)

    Yup, I cut off the Prada. Turns out that Versace has more stuff and more $$$ to get it. I think I mentioned the mistake thing???

    Well, to cut to the chase. After tedious negotiatios, I have regained my rightful place at the top of the food chain here at Stately Smoks Manor.

    Olga on Olga on Olga action... yea baby! Oops I dropped my Prada is replaced by Oops I dropped my Versace... But the rest is as it should be... except for the small detail that I'm writing this while sitting by my new $2.5 million indoor, inground swimming pool.

    Thanks swede!


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    Hey swede! You'll have to explain the symbiosis between grass and clover to me. Seems to me they are in competion for the same air, soil and water?

    Welare people who refuse to work aren't symbiotic, but more parasitic in my view.

    To quote swede:

    "...where most of us are more or less at war with ourselves, and thus wasting a lot of energy, we could use better on other things."

    And, it will be the resolution of such inner conflicts that will allow us to grow, not by engaging in a symbiotic relationship of needs. Think of this, for symbiosis to work, both or all involved do it out of need because they lack something that another can provide. But, if a relationship is entered into by two complete and independent entities, which is stronger. Those who are feeding off each other out of need or those who are not in need and are prepared to really give to each other? Easy math like the genius science folk like to use... Symbiote A (2/3) + symbiote B (2/3) = 1 1/3. Complete person A (1) + complete person B (1) = 2. Easy to see the stronger pairing.

    Besides, symbiosis is in some ways not very different from predition, only instead, both are feeding of each other. As you agree with my example of insect/ plant symbiosis, you don't acknowledge the problem. If one goes, the other goes also. They can't survive independently. That's not good.

    To quote swede:

    "I know with some certainty, what true enlightenment is, both theoretically and practically (though I'm not always able to stay in this pleasant state for long periods), and for me, there's only one kind."

    Perhaps what I mean by enlightenment v true enlightenment is lost. As I try to explain, what I see as enlightenment is that which is presently obtainable by corporial man. A sense of well-being, peace, and a small insight into what is possible. What I mean by "true" enlightenment is possibly the final step in man's evolution... a step mankind will obtain only at the end of our journey and just prior to our ascention to the plain of exsistense of the creator, ID, maybe not so intelligent D, God, Allah, etc etc... or maybe there's another word for it that I should be using?

    Sounds like the Danish Tibetan Buddhists have it more together than the ones on the mountain in Tibet!

    I never said anything about enlightenment being about getting "power" in the context of wealth, strength or superhuman. Mental power yes, in a way. having the ability to reason and know the answers. Not needing, but only wishing to share. But then again, what is superhuman? Having abilities that other humans don't? But, if we all evolve to a state in which we all possess such mental 'strength' (power) it's not so super any longer, but common.

    Oh, and I was just busting your stones about you being the cause of my Olga troubles. A man's gotta take responsibility for his own action... It's just that a guy does something obviously stupid, it's easier to try to blame someone else.[B)][)][8D]

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    Replying to your next-to-last post, PeopleS, I think a/ that the Olgas are not the one(s) for you, or b/ that your methodic isn't sufficient.

    (You could reconsider the opinion, that people are not only products of genetics or social conditioning).

    My marriage has now been re-established by using a firm hand (so to speak, not talking about physical actions). A 'take it or leave it' option from me.

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    Hey swede! Point taken. Things have settled down a bit here at Stately Smoks Manor over the past few days. I returned the guidance of the Olgas to the more than capable charge of Frau Eva Hindenberg several days prior to making the above posting, with better than satisfactory results thus far.

    Let's face it, my three Olgas weren't hurting anyone huddled by the almighty swimming pool in the snow. As I said before, it IS kind of cute! Well, I gotta go. Alfred just pulled up with the Olgas in the Bentley. They went shopping at Victoria's Secret and I was promised a little private fashion show when they got home.[:0][][}][8D]

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    Cit PeopleS:

    "And, it will be the resolution of such inner conflicts that will allow us to grow,......."

    I go along with the logic of that, no objections. But it seems to me, that this hinges on the assumption, that growth is 'good'. Because growth is an intrinsic part of evolution (or vice versa), it doesn't mean it's automatically good, unless some evidence of goodness in the whole universal process is provided.

    Even basic assumptions must pass some test of validity, because a seemingly logic conclusion will be fals, if it's based on a false assumption. This is why science inside its own field is so successfull, and doctrinal religion such a catastrophe.

    The evidence of suffering in complex beings from the evolutionary process is obvious and can be seen by anyone, but sofar I've never met any rational or experienced evidence for the idea, that evolutionary growth should be 'good', except the vague 'mysterious ways' model (which is a theological construction, based on 'faith' alone).

    Besides the way this growth manifests, opens the question, whether the final outcome WILL be 'good' in any case (as considered from a normal, survival point of wiev).

    As one group of evolutionary competitors evolve, so will the others, and the competition will only accelerate until the methods used will be so advanced or encompassing, that there's a big risk, that there will be no winners, because everybody can destroy everybody. Either in open conflict or by one of the parts functioning like a virus and destroying the host, it's feeding on, and thereby killing itself also.

    We are almost at this point now, human behave like a virus, and we are well on our way to destroy the ecology of our planet completely for thousands of years in the future. What shall we do next; rape another planet?

    I'm not suicidically inclined, but honestly I hope, that when the final countdown comes, 'nature' will do us in, before we have killed everything else.

    Even in the unlikely situation of the survival of both humanity and Gaia together, the growth model still has some rather unpleasant consequences. Take e.g. economy. The basic idea in capitalism clearly says, that an annual minimum of 4% growth must exist. Without this 4% growth, the system will eventually collapse. If we redistributed the existing production and stopped wasting money on idiotic things, we could save ourselves, the planet and give everyone a reasonable existence. I'm NOT talking about a sharing out on idealistic socialist principles, there would still be rich and poor. I'm talking about big money making even more money by 'beep'ing with peoples' lives, either through economical manipulation or by brute force.

    Example of interference (apart from starting wars to sell weapons etc): It is considered necessary for the capitalistc growth system to keep unemployment at a certain level (so as to entice people into competition). If this UNemployment level isn't existing 'naturally', efforts will be made to create it artificially, even if there in reality is work enough for everybody. The individuals suffering from this can just as well be hardworking, responsible citizens; not only lazy parasites.

    Clover needs shade and 'protection' when it starts growing, grass will provide this at no cost for itself. When clover is established, it produces a surplus of nitrogen (extracted from the air), which benefits grass.

    Happy to hear about the Olgas.

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    Cit PeopleS:

    "Those who are feeding off each other out of need or those who are not in need and are prepared to really give to each other? Easy math like the genius science folk like to use... Symbiote A (2/3) + symbiote B (2/3) = 1 1/3. Complete person A (1) + complete person B (1) = 2. Easy to see the stronger pairing."

    Considered from INSIDE the natural (universal) laws this must be considered in the light of something, which at first looks totally disconnected from the above: The second thermodynamic law (:stating that different levels of energy will eventually level out). Also known as enthropy. Enthropy is the major candidate for the termination of the universe.

    All dynamics in the universe, and ESPECIALLY in complexity, are directed towards creating negative enthropy, i.e. stopping universal collaps from enthropy. This dynamic process aims at diversity (or separation), which is the opposite of enthropy.
    It is quite correct, that a predatory relationship between diversified complexities (=different beings) SEEMS to give what PeopleS call 'the stronger pairing', but this is far from true.
    I have already ad nauseam mentioned the suffering involved in predation, so now I will restrict myself to the other aspect of this way of producing negative enthropy/diversification through complexity. While it is true, that this process (as correctly demonstrated by PeopleS above) is qualitatively different from symbiosis, this qualitative difference lies not in the final amount or intrinsic value of thus created negative enthropy, but in the difference of time it takes to produce negative enthropy. Predation is quicker, that's all.

    But what is more important is, that the overall result from the effort to create negative enthropy through diversification (later met either through predation or symbiosis) is an inefficient process. There will be some 'costs' in ther process (as in a car, where not all the energy is turned into
    movement, but some simply lost), and the outgoing result from diversification as a negative enthropy producer is, that the universe as a whole will have accelerated enthropy from the diversification process.

    Now the process of predation (in spite of its quicker results) produces more enthropy than symbiosis does. The 'friction' in predation is more costly than in symbiosis, like a car with unlubricated wheelbearings will draw more gas.

    Considering the intelligent design theory, this could tell us something about the architect's grasp of universe designing. Obviosly s/he has created a universe, containing elements/principles where a race against time is necessary.

    Complexity, complex life, could be no more than a mechanism to make an (inefficient) effort to slow down enthropy.

    Such ideas are both present in science (I believe, it was Schroedinger or Heisenberg who proposed it) and also in certain theological/philosophical groups (Gurdjieff, Gnostics, sufism).

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    Maybe I'm overdoing it a bit today. By sending such a lot of writings, but also separating it into three different posts. My reason is, that this is the first time I've had a greater amount of energy for a long period, and that quite a few loose ends have been left unanswered. And I consider it more readable, if things are presented in separate posts. (Though there are obvious connections between them).

    I have recently postulated that every single structure in the universe, big or small, has something asymmetric, unbalanced, missing (whatever) in it, and for a structure to be 'whole', this deficiency must be corrected.

    I have further postulated, that for a human structure, a human being, the weak spot is our emotions. To become enlightened we must be whole, and to be whole we must have (positively) functioning emotions.

    The primary function of human emotions (and the equalent on other levels) is to transmit signals/to create communication between body and intellect. (in other structures between matter and movement).

    I know of three practical methods for eventually acchieving this:

    Deep meditation (or whatever your religious system calls equalent activities).

    Modified Tantric sex,

    and religious devotion to higher powers. Not as an exclusive 'love'-religion, but as a supplement to all the other aspects of universal life. I do not know so much practically about this last method myself, but maybe Prometheus could supply some information.

    As I a long time ago promised to get a bit more into detail about modified tantric sex, I believe, that now is a suitable moment.

    M(odified) t(antric) s(ex) is a process, where the natural sexual instinct and energy is chanelled into a new form. It is based on the idea, that man and woman (I have only heterosexual experience, so I can't talk about different options myself) have somewhat different 'energies'/polarities. By harmonizing/balancing/exchanging these energies/polarities, both parts add symbiotically to the others possibility of 'wholeness'.


    Practically this is done the following way. Instead of the usual sweaty performance, where mutual orgasm is the immediate aim (I have no problems doing this also), in mts you try to withhold (at least the male) orgasm as long as possible. If the female part is unable to get more than one orgasm in succession, she also withholds her orgasm as long as possible.

    This should be a slow process, occasionally lasting hours, and it is important, that the physical sexual tension stays close to the point of orgasm. So some training and experimentation with positions can be necessary. The man on his back, with the woman riding him, is functional, but in my opinion not obligatory.

    The idea is, that starting with a standard physical attraction, you enhance and amplify the energies/polarities implied. Tension can reach olympic heights this way, and it's tempting to surrender to orgasm. But it's important not to do so too early. Training will make it easier. This physical tension and strong amount of energy will seek a way out (if you don't have orgasm), and somewhere in this process, it will 'overflow' into the emotional parts of our existence (emotional center, if you like) and activate them. Possibly will even some of the physical energy be transformed into emotional energy, making the emotional experience even more intensive. You can get VERY, VERY close/emotionally intimate to your partner this way. Emotion is communication.

    If you and your partner are normally functioning intellectually, you now have a situation, where body, emotions and intellect are active, energetic and function together. A big step closer to 'wholeness' (though not ultimate wholeness. Training makes the master). And can as such be used equalent to a meditation-method for acchieving higher consciousness.

    The advantage is, that you are working TOGETHER with natural instincts (except about wiltholding orgasm) and it's altogether a very pleasurable experience. Those who have tried it, probably will agree when I say, that there's the same element of hightened awareness as with some mind-expanding chemicals, but in this case it's safer, cheaper, legal (sofar) and contains an added dimension of higher love.

    And finally. In many (or almost every) of the orginal asian tantric sex systems, it's recommended, that the male dosn't have any orgasm at all. Personally I do not see any reason for this, and experiments and practical observations has shown me, that a male orgasm late in the process can be beneficial.

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    Hey swede! You've certainly been busy thinking and writing. I'll go through all this one post and one thought at a time...

    To quote swede:

    "But it seems to me, that this hinges on the assumption, that growth is 'good'."

    We can look to our earthly predicesors for the answer to this. There are many new theories concerning the extintion of the dinosaurs which infer that it wasn't one big catastrophe that led to their demise, but rather a series of events. Keep in mind that 'growth' doesn't necessarily mean size and or girth. Mental growth doesn't mean gaining the knowledge to manipulate our environment, but to deal with the hand we are dealt.

    Even if their is no devinity, what 'bad' could come from all of mankind possessing the knowledge and wisdom of the universe? My one assumption in the whole process being that having such mental ability allows us to understand right from wrong and the ability to choose correctly between the two. There would be no need for predition or symbiosis since each individual would be self capable. To believe otherwise, meaning that our destiny is evil, so be it. We will finally be able to destroy ourselves efficiently and end the insanity. Either way, the universe as a whole, wins!

    Having a winner in the equation takes a counter productive assumption that preditory instinct will always control our path, and that the 'enlightened' state currently obtainable by some is merely an anomaly exclusive to the selected few, and will never be reached by humanity as a species. I prefer to take a more optimistic approach and hold to the hope that mankind is not doomed to failure.

    Your references to current problems is really almost irrevevant to the evolutionary process, with evolution being something that occurs slowly and over a considerable period of time. True that being poor may cause mental stress in the individual, but that person has already evolved to his/ her fullest potenial. It's the next generation and the next and so on who either will or won't have one of the various 'chips' turned on and advance.

    Only some toxins in our air and possibly malnutitrionwill alter this by altering the basic brain chemistry. it's also possible that through physical evolution, our bodies will adapt to our surroundings as they change.

    To quote swede:

    "Clover needs shade and 'protection' when it starts growing, grass will provide this at no cost for itself. When clover is established, it produces a surplus of nitrogen (extracted from the air), which benefits grass."

    Yea, but once established, clover often overgrows the grass, blocking the sun and expands it's root structure out until it completely iradicates the grass.


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    Cit PeopleS:

    "My one assumption in the whole process being that having such mental ability allows us to understand right from wrong and the ability to choose correctly between the two. There would be no need for predition or symbiosis since each individual would be self capable"

    No disagreements here. I just pointed out the possible option of a third alternative to acchieve enlightenment apart from 'natural' evolution and mutation. And that this option is a conscious choice, and implies (in this case 'inner') symbiosis as part of the process GETTING there. Maybe this last point needs clarification.

    Cit PeopleS:

    "and that the 'enlightened' state currently obtainable by some is merely an anomaly exclusive to the selected few, and will never be reached by humanity as a species"

    Concerning our present possibilities, the conscious acchievement of enlightenment seems to be reserved to the elected few. This is a sad pragmatic observation, and not an expression of elitism on my part. My guess is, that an optimistically estimated number of enlightened individuals on the planet at the present, doesn't exceed 50. Probably far less. And I'm not amongst them, in case anybody should get ideas.

    Cit PeopleS:

    "Your references to current problems is really almost irrevevant to the evolutionary process, ...."

    When considering evolution in a normal historical perspective, you'd be right. But humanity has reached an anomaly by developing a doomsday technology it can't handle responsibly. Just one small, but significant example. Did you know, that the common honeybee, immensely important for pollinating, possibly is dying out at an alarming rate after having existed for eternities. Most likely dying out because of overuse of chemicals in farming.

    Cit PeopleS:

    "Yea, but once established, clover often overgrows the grass, blocking the sun and expands it's root structure out until it completely iradicates the grass."

    Not on my farm (of 35 years of ecological farming) it doesn't. Left alone, clover and grasses (and for that sake some wild-sown weeds) get quite well along. Actually a soil with an exclusive or overabundant amount of clover gets 'clover-tired' and the clover will disappear by itself because of this. This is not the case on my fallow fields (with combined grass and clover), which are sometimes left untouched for five years at a time. Both the clover and grass seem to thrive together.


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    Next...

    Your next post, again, seems to focus on which is better, predition or symbiosis? You also seem to assume that in order to obtain what I refer to as 'true enlightenment', involves one or the other. This is not the case. Mankind doesn't need to devoure anything to evolve to this state of being, and symbiotic inter-dependence is counter-productive to the journey toward 'true enlightenment'.

    You over-complicate a simple matematical equation. Perhaps I could add a third equation to my theory? Symbiosis: 2/3 + 2/3 = 1 1/3. Prediton: (2/3 (the preditor, needing to consume) + 1/3 (the weaker prey) = 1) - 1/3 (the continuing need to consume manifests again leaving a void) = 2/3.

    A complete individual, one who is truly enlightened can be 1 and stand alone, but when pared with another of his kind, are even stronger as they have no NEED to feed off each other, rather to share on a level where it is done for the sake of good. Again, this goes beyond monetary wealth or power.

    To quote swede:

    "I have recently postulated that every single structure in the universe, big or small, has something asymmetric, unbalanced, missing (whatever) in it, and for a structure to be 'whole', this deficiency must be corrected."

    This kind of falls into one of my theories on the universe which I think I touched on a while ago. Beginning with "the big bang", the universe is expanding. New stars, solar systems and galaxies are constantly being formed to fill what's 'missing'. I also have a paradox that plexes me. "Infinite limitation". A true contradiction of terms!

    Believe it or not, you've actually helped me with this problem! The answer is chaos!!! This allows me to place limits on the size of the universe, which is otherwise said to be infinite, but if it were already infinite, how could it expand? Where is it expanding to???Chaos, as being infinite, and not the universe, allows my theory of expansion and contraction, in which there comes a point in which the universe stops expanding and collapses back on itself to become a quantum singularity again and the whole damn thing starts over!!! Each restart, the universe expands a bit more before it begins to collapse again, on into infinitum.

    Now, to make this relevant to what you said... The universe, can never be complete. As it expands and contracts, there will always be parts left unfinished. We however, a only an infintesimal part of this picture and are only one of the tiny parts that may reach compltetion before the next collapse.

    As for human emotion, through the level of 'true enlightenment' that I speak, mankind will understand emotions on a higher level. A deeper self-awareness that will allow us to make the right choices as to how we act on our emotions and avoid negative consequences associated with our more negative emotions. Also, as a species, we will understand why and how not to envoke negative emotions in others. Unlike the Vulcans on 'Star Trek' (haven't referenced this show in a while), we won't supress our emotions. We will simply not go around pushing each other's buttons!

    swede, I never really knew what you were talking about regarding MTS, but I guess you've kind of hit on my methods (when I feel like working a little). One of the things is the warm up.[] Sensory excitement can go a long way. It works best with women who have a lot of natural body hair. I'm sure you know what I mean. Scandanavian women have such very fine body hair that it's basically invisible. A light touch, that only contacts these hairs and not the skin can send shivers up a girls spine in a good way! Arms, stomach, neck, breasts, inner and outer thighs, but try not to actually touch the skin! And never go for the hot spot!!! Tease around it, but don't touch!!!!! She'll go crazy!!!!!!!!!!!![:0]

    The part about her being on top is a multiple good thing. First of all, much less work for the guy and we can concentrate on holding back. Besides, with her on top, she can easily move around to find the right spot for her. Hey, it all feels good to us, right? When you know you girls responses to things, ie when she's about to have an orgasm, grab her and stop her. She will squirm like hell to try to finish. Timing is key here. Don't wait too long, but eventually, before she completely loses that feeling, let her go and give her a little help from the bottom. I read about this a while ago and have done it. It works. She'll have one hell of an orgasm. Often, after such a strong orgasm, it becomes very easy to give her another and another etc, in a short period of time. She'll think you're a GOD or at least a very Itelligent Designer![^] But I digress...........


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