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    Hey swede! When you say 'universal forces', exactly to what do you refer? God/ ID? or something else??? Cosomologically, gravitation is a force, where as time is a dimension, along with pysical space being the other three... ie lenth, width, depth or height. I believe magnetism is classified as energy. And yes, all of these interact and that's what gets so darned confusing sometimes.

    What I am taking from my recent delving into cosmology is that in theoretical sciences, the numbers are NOT the answers to questions, but they are merely numbers used to fit within the confines of what the theorist is trying to prove. Example: Einstein's cosmological constant. After looking at his theory of general relativity, he realized that his equations allowed for cosmic expasion and contraction. He didn't believe this was the way it was. He believed in a static universe and added the cosmological constant to his theory prior to pulishing it.

    After Hubble's observations showed the universe to be expanding, the cosmological constant wasn't dropped, the numbers were changed to coincide with what Hubble saw!

    Okay, back to scamming......

    To quote swede:

    "As with the socalled 'spiritual' supermarket presented by the abominable new-age merchants, selling the equalent of the Eiffel tower or Brooklyn bridge, customers will sooner or later come to their senses and stop paying the agency 'extras', and some kind of functional balance will be achieved."

    The problem is that, at least in the case of Americans, WMs think we know everything!!! and people who THINK they know everything are especially annoying to people like me who actually DO know everything![:0][^][)] But seriously, this also goes back to things I've said about taking the time to learn a bit about the culture, past and present, of the FSUW you are persuing.

    But, the real catch that the websites have is the simple fact that, yes, it IS customary to give your girl presents of certain holidays and birthdays, and they create a scenario where as you either buy their over-priced offerings or let your girl think you're a cheap bastard! Most sites have pop up reminders and e-mails concerning these "special" occasions. I also touched on this elsewhere. 2 Christmases, 2 New years (can't forget about 'old' New Years on the 13th), Students' Day, Valentines Day, Women's Day..... 2 Easter's... But, you probably know all this. It's the guy that didn't bother to learn anything about the culture that will be shocked.

    Okay, Student's Day and old New Years can be escaped without gift giving, but the other holidays it WILL BE EXPECTED!!! Because of the various website rules, it is very difficult to get contact info of your lady to send gifts by some other means. Another thing I've talked about before is the way in which most pay sites make it impossible to communicate with a girl in any way except through the site.

    This brings me to my situation which is fast becoming a bit tedious. My Olya has dragged me to a new website to continue our communication. Her reasons being that the site is based in Lugansk and it is cheaper for me. Believe it or not, letter translation only costs $2/ letter on average, which I find fairly cheap. Okay? Also, she does not have to pay and it helps her that she does not pay. Okay? But other issues are as I previously posted regarding English lessons.

    I believe it was our MIA fellow babbler, Anthony Ferrera, who posted a thread about sex slavery some time ago... before "The Ggreat Forum collapse". Some of the articles I've read, and programs I've seen, focus more on Ivan and Boris scamming FSUWs and basically kidknapping them. Their fates anything from being sold to a Turkish businessman to ending up strippers and prostitutes in the US. There is actually a strip bar near Stately Smoks Manor where FSUWs are frequently shaking their money makers while Boris and Ivan discuss business, in Russian, at the end of the bar.

    Au pair services are becoming a popular way for FSUWs to get a visa. Although she is German, it's how Frau Eva Hindenberg got her US visa![)] I also think there are a few reasons why these girls don't go to the cops, both based in that strongest of emotions... fear. The fear of physical abuse or death. They are told they will be thrown in jail as an illegal immigrant, because Ivan took her papers as soon as she landed. These girls don't know that after a few unpleasantries, they'll simply be sent home. I'm not sure who pays for that though. The other thing is that Ivan and Boris usually have an accomplice in the FSU and threats of harm to the girl's family are another reason why they don't go to the local police for help.

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    With universal forces, I mean those forces which are acting between the various parts of the universe (gravity etc). The unintelligent designer is kind of 'outside' the universe (or at least parts of him/her is. He couldn't have designed the universe from the inside of it, before it existed).

    Like all other methods for relating to, communicating with or describing the universe, numbers have their limitations. They function very well inside the parameters they work inside. Science in general is also very successfull if it doesn't stray outside its own territory. So mathematics, science and our other ways of relating to the universe is good 'locally'.

    To return to a recent post, I gather, that you're talking 'intellect', when you suggest our brains to grow, as a method of gaining more insight on reality. Please let me know, when this hypothesis of yours starts to be supported by evidence of some kind.

    You mention in this latest post, that all the various cornerblocks of the universe (forces, dimensions etc) are interconnected. That was what I tried to say with my car-allegory. The car, or the universe, only functions when all the parts are assembled into an interactive whole. And as with a car (if you want to understand it), it's not enough to know the function of each separate part. You also need to know the specific relationship between the parts. And while a car can drive even with some discrepances between the various parts, it only functions as it should, when the parts function optimally together.

    Intellect will never be able to produce answers or function perfect outside its own competence. "Right tool at right place".


    In my opinion, mainstream american culture is a sick joke. No, not even a joke, a tragedy. Hopefully these people will kill each other, before they kill the rest of us (which they seem to like doing, probably because they then don't have to do anything about their own problems).

    It is customary to give presents in FSUW, for any reason whatsoever. But these presents are more tokens of respect or friendship, than they are overwhelming. A flower or a bit of chokolade will do in many situations. As this constant present-giving isn't a normal part of scandinavian culture, I skipped it completely, and only the ukrainian women protested (but then she's a gold-digger, so what could one expect).

    My knowledge of trafficking is secondhand, but it does surprise me, that so many FSUW get involved. They usually seem to have a rather good knowledge of western culture (except when it comes to the amount of swimmingpools pr. capita), so you're probably right, when you say that main organisers of the kidnapping and smuggling itself are russians, who would know how to create false trust. Just as when it was africans selling other africans to the arab slave-dealers.

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    Hey swede! What I am seeing as I get deeper into cosmology, is that, people see things that they don't fully understand or simply have a concept of the way it all works. Then, math is used to help it make sense in a consistant way. Often, something will happen out there that contradicts the math and then the equations are refigured by adding new equations within the original. As I said, my best example of this is what I wrote about Einstein's theory of general relativity and how some numbers had to be changed to allow for what Hubble later observed. It's a mosaic collage of information that no one has yet completely tied into one tidey equation.

    To quote swede:

    "To return to a recent post, I gather, that you're talking 'intellect', when you suggest our brains to grow, as a method of gaining more insight on reality. Please let me know, when this hypothesis of yours starts to be supported by evidence of some kind."

    Intellect, intelligence, maybe even telekenetics, mystic insight??? If only a small portion of the brain is actually being utilized now, who knows how far man could go if 100% were to be used? As I said before, I see the ultimate being that mankind attains a level of consciousness that puts us just one step below that of God/ UID.

    To quote swede:

    "In my opinion, mainstream american culture is a sick joke."

    I guess that depends on what you believe to be "mainstream" American culture?

    Giving presents wasn't so much the main point, as to the outrageous expense of sending presents via a website. I personally, have never had a problem giving gifts to any girl I was ever with. I actually enjoy doing it. But, with the 'blending' of western and FSU culture continues, WMs need to understand that there are a few extra holidays that will come up every year and your FSU sweety will, more or less, be expecting some attention from you, presumably in the form of a gift of some sort. And if your communication is through a website, your only options will be the over-priced items they offer.

    Although I am having a minor misgiving concerning my Olya, I must point out that she has NEVER asked for or hinted about gifts. If this ever happened, it'll be time to take a real hard look at the situation.

    I find it a bit odd that gift giving isn't part of Scandinavian culture. I always thought that giving your girl gifts, big and small, was merely a way of letting her know you care.

    My knowledge of sex slavery is relegated to what I read or see on TV, but it does appear to be one of those things that isn't openly talked about. It's a fair comparison to Africans selling Africans, but unlike the Africans, it appears that it's usually an FSUM that is behind the whole thing. As I said, it seems to be more of an economical scam then an MOB scam used against these unsuspecting FSUWs. "We can help you get a good paying job in the US, England, or any other country where beautiful FSUWs are in demand."

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    PeopleS,

    we have a bit different schooling system here than in the english/american cultures, but my guess is, the my basic schooling (finished at 18 years of age) was something equalent to college. I choose the natural science variety, and qualified for university. At university I changed, CHANGED (remember we had a short 'exchange' on change) to social sciences, in spite of the fact, that I have a natural talent for hard science. Had I followed my talent, I would have had a minimum of a hundred grand a year. But I was curious, and I always follow up my weakest links (so I can 'grow') instead of my wallet.

    That means, that most of the science I refer to know, is acquired by reading 'popular science' (I ofcourse don't mean the magazine, which is VERY popular science and sometimes sensationalist), written by scientists, who try to translate their serious research to non-specialists.

    Long way around, but I can recommend Paul Davies' books (if you're interested in following up the track). He's a good scientist of international standing (though not in Einstein class), and he's openminded enough to let criticism of science come to the surface.

    Cit PeopleS:

    " Intellect, intelligence, maybe even telekenetics, mystic insight??? If only a small portion of the brain is actually being utilized now, who knows how far man could go if 100% were to be used? As I said before, I see the ultimate being that mankind attains a level of consciousness that puts us just one step below that of God/ UID."

    Yes. But what if we already had that potential? That the question isn't about what we have, but how we use it. And actually the 'mystic' insight (and the distant cousins PSI, ESP etc) are steadily diminishing, as we continue to worship the cult of fake 'rationalism'. In spite of being 'heathen savages', your forefathers were probably much more sane and rational, than the average western person today.

    Russian and ukranian women are often beautiful, intelligent, well-educated, cuddly, sweet, with a wonderful sense of humour, great physical lovers. And ofcourse they want a better life socially/economically (I have no problems with that).

    So what the 'beeb' do they topple every chance they have for acchieving this aim by demonstrating immoderate greed? There ARE decent guys like you and me who would make acceptable husbands (OK, we have our faults, but I think we are well inside the tolerable. As is Prometheus). So I can only find an answer in a philosophy of 'the weakest link breakes the chain'. Not in an evolutionary process of answers solving themselves.

    With all these excellent qualities as FSUW have, they should have all chances for a good life, but greed seems to be weighting more than everything else together.

    With a former discussion about US culture in mind, I'll be careful about what I say, but instead I'll cite a close friend (who's a CONVINCED islamophobe): "In the present conflict between US and the Talibans, I hope the Talibans win". Sorry, but this is the main european/asian attitude to US now.

    If you and I take up this subject, I insist upon doing it, when you don't have PMS. Remember what happened, when you and Ham disagreed?


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    Hey swede! As I understand it, yes, you do have a slightly different school system than we have in the US. I know this from the lovely Anne Brit Ericson, who was an exchange student from Moss, Norway. She graduated high school with my class here, but told me she still had another year to go when she got home. Our basic schooling is Kindergarten, 1, 2, 3 through 12. After that, college or university, it's really the same thing here, technical school or work.

    A lot of the science I learn is just by reading articles and scientific publications online. Some of it gets pretty darned confusing to say the least... I'm not a rocket scientist. I like to think of myself as being like a prostitute servicing a fat sweaty guy... I just fake it!!![:0][)]

    As I said, I see it as being that we do have the potential to reach the levels I speak of, but those parts of the brain simply aren't turned on yet and it will be mankind's gradual evolution that will bring about this sort of change. And as with anything potentially so powerful as what I foresee as man's eventual future, hopefully this WILL be a slow progression as to allow us to not be handed a potentially dangerous toy. We can't forget what happened when a few people figured out how to split an atom.[B)] As for scientific evidence, that would be up to the scientists. Measuring electrical output of the brain while performing various tasks would be a start. I would love to see the differences between Einstein, Mozart, Ted Bundy, a Tibetan monk, Adolf Hitler, etc and an average human. How much electrical impulses are flying around in there and what areas of the brain are actually sparking?

    There is no denying the beauty of so many FSUWs![] But, I think we touched on it before, at which time I blamed it on agency propaganda. Just as WMs are 'fed' a load of bullsh!t about FSUWs, I'm sure they are also being told some pretty unreasonable untruths about life in the west. And even if this isn't entirely the case, when you add in the life time of not having everything you want and having to save money just to buy something a little extravagant like a new pair of fashionable boots, coupled with hearing the stories of how hard your parents have always worked, now throw in the touchy economics and there you go! FSU girl gone wild when she gets to the land of milk and honey... and swimming pools!

    Throughout my time of corresponding with this girl or that, I've always made a point to let her know, "I'M NOT RICH!!!" I make a good living, but not Fortune 500 stuff.

    To quote swede:

    "With a former discussion about US culture in mind, I'll be careful about what I say, but instead I'll cite a close friend (who's a CONVINCED islamophobe): "In the present conflict between US and the Talibans, I hope the Talibans win". Sorry, but this is the main european/asian attitude to US now."

    Not to sound like an assh@le, but most Americans don't care what others think. Not necessarily a good thing, but it's the way it is. We are incredibly arrogant in that respect. We're 7 wins, 1 lose and 1 tie in military conflicts, not including the mess we're in right now where we kicked Saddam Huessin's raggedy @ss already. That isn't too bad in only 232 1/2 years although it IS becoming a mess, it's not the same as Vietnam or even Korea. Plus all the little butt whippings we've handed out in between. Anybody hear from Moamar Khaddafi lately?

    As for ham, I got pissed because I could write a 10,000 word essay on whatever we were discussing at the time, and he would take one little misquote and turn it into the focus of an attack on the entire line of thought. When I said something about it, he got pissed and left. ham2 is ham. I told him we miss his input here on another thread, but he's still a no show.


    One thing that our new President has already done to prove he had no plan is to send more troops to Afganistan and call up more reservists for future deployment... Didn't this guy say he was going to get our people out???[V]

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    William Jefferson Clinton needs to shut the 'BEEP' up!!!!!!!!!! Yes, George W was so focussed on being a wartime President that he became oblivious to national and world economics, but it is now becoming more and more apparent that the problem's began during the runaway artifcially stimulated growth years of the Clinton administration.

    Now, Clinton is jumping on his soapbox again and openly criticizing Obama's first hundred days saying he isn't doing enough. What an assh@le!!!!! Just as he destroyed his wife's campaign with his ridiculous remarks, now he's undermining Obama. The worst part is that the stock market had been slowly recovering right up until his latest blurb.

    Hey Slick Willy, Hillary is half way around the world, why don't you go find a chubby intern and keep out of the public eye for... THE REST OF YOUR FRIGGIN' LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![V]

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    Cit PeopleS:

    ".......but those parts of the brain simply aren't turned on yet and it will be mankind's gradual evolution that will bring about this sort of change. And as with anything potential so powerful as what I foresee as man's eventual future, hopefully this WILL be a slow progression as to allow us to not be handed a potentially dangerous toy."

    The harm has already been done; most, if not all, of our scientific or technological acchievements, are parallel to the beneficients results also used for something destructive. I'm not quite sure of the present statistics, but I would estimate, that more than 25% of the top-scientist are working on military projects.

    It is possible consciously and intentionally to turn on the sleeping parts of our brains (and other potentials we have), but it's a complicated process with many pitfalls.

    Concerning FSUW's knowledge of the west, I was often surprised of how much they know of f.ex. western politics, while it's ofcourse true, that this doesn't enable them to understand how daily life is in the west.

    All of the contributors to 'psychobabbling' are probably persons with strong wills and equally strong convictions. I also find it difficult at times to navigate through this in a diplomatic way.

    PS I'm at the present rereading Philp K. Dick's book: 'Valis'. It's highly recommendable.

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    Hey swede! It must be a good book for you to read it twice.

    To quote swede:

    "The harm has already been done..."

    The reason I continued by saying, "We can't forget what happened when a few people figured out how to split an atom." Two other problems with any scientific research, are motivation and money. Although a particular scientist doing research may have the most altruistic intentions, often the funds for his or her research comes from a military source. And even if a different government department is supplying the cash, the D.O.D will always be evaluating it's weapon potential.

    The fact is that we DO live in a preditory world and finding new and creative ways to kill one's neighbor is how many beneficial inventions trickle down to the common man. Once again, "That which does not kill us..." Not to deminish the horrors of Hiroshma and Nagasaki, but mankind has apparently survived the era of nukes as a whole.

    Briefly, US military strategies have "evolved", especially, in the past two decades. Civilian targets no longer exist for the most part, where as in the 1940s, civilians were fair game. The strategy being to break the will of the people to fight.

    My hope is that as mankind evolves, we being to realize the folly of war. and not only the difference between right and wrong, but to have the strength to do what is right.

    To quote swede:

    "It is possible consciously and intentionally to turn on the sleeping parts of our brains (and other potentials we have), but it's a complicated process with many pitfalls."

    This a point that you and I simply disagree on. I see it as a part of evolution, which man has no control over and you see it as something we can consciously "will" to happen. Whether it's beneficial to us or not isn't a factor as I see it. Just as it would have been beneficial for a neanderthal to have a grcery store, they simply didn't have the ability to "will" themselves to be more advanced then they were.

    As to an FSUW's knowledge of western politics, yes, it's very easy to learn this and much more by reading online news. While in Lugansk, I watched a BBC news program almost daily. US politics was often a subject being covered. Other local news casts often included some kind of piece on the US and other western countries. Also, western based magazines are popular, and are on every newstand. I think it's these magazines that tend to help (mis)inform many FSUWs about life in the US, along with propaganda from various web dating agencies.

    I personally can say that I found Lugansk to be very different in some ways from what I expected based on web articles and website propaganda.

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    Cit PeopleS (Concerning the possibility of personal inner 'growth'):

    "I see it as a part of evolution, which man has no control over and you see it as something we can consciously "will" to happen. Whether it's beneficial to us or not isn't a factor as I see it."

    I believe, that we do agree, that we have a sleeping, unused potential (e.g. the app. 90% of our brain we don't seem to use consciously. Or don't use at all). I know from many years of personal, practical experience, that my intellectual capacity can be enhanced, if I really want (will) it. 'All' it takes is to (re)arrange my own internal and external situation, so I can get contact with the normally passive potential.

    And as demonstrated in physical catastrophe situations, a person's physical strength can suddenly be tripled or more. I remember a firsthand story I heard about a father, whose son was slowly being chrushed under big piece of conctruction timber. The father lifted the timber away alone, while it normally would have taken three strong men to do it.

    Or those moments, when a small, inner mental association can create strong, positive emotions or feelings of wellbeing in us. Not originating from an outside source, like meeting this goddess in human form and falling madly in love with her, but a mental return to e.g. a positive childhood scene. I use this possibility consciously, when I want to be in a special, relaxed mood; and it has served me well over the years.

    What I am trying to say is, that we already have evolved to the level, where greater potentials exist. It's up to us to activate them through use of our will. If I follow your suggestions to a logical end, it could mean, that even 'will' should grow through evolution, before we can hope for 'betterment' (whatever that is for the individual). You're making will into a result of the evolutionary process, and while it's possible, that will can develop, we already have enough will to start activating some of our potentials. The sad fact is, that we're just plain mentally lazy.

    'Willing', making choices or taking responsibility for one's actions are more or less synonymous for the same thing. If we try to reduce a complex being to a mechanistic automaton (as the early hard-core scientists did in their theories), it is meaningless to talk about morals, decency etc, because no-one is able to anything but what 'the robot-state' dictates.

    So when FSUW and WM sex-tourists occasionally behave like pigs (sorry about that, all pigs and pig-lovers), or when a criminal starts excusing him/herself with his/her bad potty-training, or the sociopath con people, we can only lean back and say: "We are impotent for making changes".

    There are many books, I've read up to 15-20 times. It's like classical music, you can ever find a new depth or dimension in it.

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    Hey swede! I see your point, but still respectfully disagree with 'will' being the key to unlock the full potential of mankind. I see your examples as being only a miniscule scraping of the surface of what lies beneath. Though often associated with being a pain blocker, the body also will release endorphins to the body during times of intense pleasure, being sex, and happiness, being childhood memories.

    It seems that your euphoria isn't so much an advanced level of consciousness as it is your ability to focus your thughts on such a pleasant time, which in this day and age of high stress is a bit of a trick in and of itself. The parent gaining "super" strength, is also an emotional response brought about by strong emotion, love, fear, anger and pain. Love of a child brings out a parent's protective programming, which in many cases is strong enough, especially when combined with other factors, can override the most basic of instincts, that being fear and selfpreservation.

    But, fear and anger have a way of causing the release of high amounts of adrenalin to the body, with any pain simultaneously causing the release of the affore mentioned endorphins creating a sense of well being. All this in combination is enough to override the fear instict and gives the parent seemingly "super" strength. We can't generally 'will' ourselves into this mental state, but it is more a result of a stituation we may find ourselves in that brings about such emotional and physiological response. Science has no answer why some people reach this state, while others do not.

    To quote swede:

    "What I am trying to say is, that we already have evolved to the level, where greater potentials exist."

    I see the level of our existence as being greater than what we have realized so far, but far less than we will be capable of once we have evolved to a higher level.

    "Willing" one's self to obtain a higher plain of existence and having "free will" to make choices are two different things. To 'mechanize' mankind, is to remove emotions, and I once said that this is wrong. Our emotions are what makes us who and what we are as individuals. Controlling how we react to very strong emotions is what is needed. Now I'm not saying we should become 'Star Trek' Vulcans and supress our emotions, but rather to control what we do while having these emotions and not allow them to overwhelm us. This is where your 'will' comes into play, and yes, it is something that I feel will become stronger through evolution and time.

    To quote swede:

    "So when FSUW and WM sex-tourists occasionally behave like pigs (sorry about that, all pigs and pig-lovers), or when a criminal starts excusing him/herself with his/her bad potty-training, or the sociopath con people, we can only lean back and say: "We are impotent for making changes"."

    Yes, you better apologize to pigs and pig lovers for that comparison!!![B)][)] There is no excuse for sociopathic behavior. It is an act of 'free will' as they make the choice to do what they do, be it a social unaccepted choice. Keep in mind that in some cases, such behavior is brought about through externals, such as hard economic times, where the individual reseaons that he/ she has no other recourse, although we know this not to be the case. However, I believe I had touched on this subject briefly in the past regarding FSU scammers, being that it IS socially accepted to a certain level to take western money in this way. Perhaps we can re-examine this topic?

    I'm not much of a book reader. It stems from my somewhat slow reading comprehension skills. It probably took me as long to read your last post as it did for you to write it! My ex, the dirty little heroin junkie wh@re was an avid reader, but I was never able to get into it myself. I have heard that a person can often find little nuances in a book when rereading it that he/ she may have missed the first or even second time around if well written. I actually find this is some movies, which is more my speed.

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