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    Hey again guy's!
    Have any of you been aware of the growing Sex Slave Trade? It is becomeing a World Wide Problem!! Many Women from accross the World are kidnaped, beaten and threatened with Death if they will not prostitute themselves for pimp's! This is a Terrible fact of Life for many unknowning and innocent Women and many of these Women come from the Ukraine and Russia, also from Belarus and Muldova. Many are Never Seen again and it is like they simply disappear into the World! I have watched with Anger many documentaries about this problem and what various government's are doing to stop it but it is all not enough, Well, not yet anyway's!!!!
    I actualy spoke to a Russian customer once a few year's ago about this and he had the Arrogance and Audasity to tell me these Women wanted to do this, I asked him if he was on Drug's? He of course did not like my question and then I asked him why he has a problem with the Truth? Well as you all may have guessed by now he never answered my last question!! Well if any one here Wishes to watch a movie about one young Woman I will find out the frre movie site that it is on, I watched it fully and I was Heart Broken because it is so True! Well chat on this more if anyone Wishes to!!

    Sincerely,

    Tone

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    Ohh and P.S.

    If anyone tell's you that this problem is exagerated, that more than 100,000 Women each year are made Sexual Prisoner's they need to contact General Powell of the United States Government! He has put increaseing pressure on eastern block countries to stop this problem so much so that he has threatened to take away the financial aid to Ukraine and Russia, Well you know that money talk's so now they are getting serious about this epidemic but still every day thousand's of Women disappear without a trace and are Sold into Slavery!! Do you know that the average price for a Woman in this trade for a pimp to purchase them is only $700.00 USD?

    Again Sincerely,

    Tone

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    Cit. Tone:

    "I actualy spoke to a Russian customer once a few year's ago about this and he had the Arrogance and Audasity to tell me these Women wanted to do this, I asked him if he was on Drug's?"

    The sad fact is, that until recently the women were treated this way inside FSU also. Sexual services were a common currency, and if f.ex. a woman tried to get a job, she would in many cases be expected to perform such for her future employer.

    I find it as revolting as you do Tone, that's why I started the topic psychobabbling to try to find deeper answers. Sextourism and like activities are as big a part of the problem as scamming.

    Whether psychb. will lead anywhere is unceratin, but we got to do what we can.

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    Well, guys,

    wherever money can be made there is business. And business means to sell products or service and make money by exploting other people. Explotation of human beings by other human beings is the contents of the classist society we are living in. The SU and countries behind the wall before 1989 had no pimps, no problem with children prostitution, no problem with children pornography ... they only had some easy going girls who were interested in moving out to the West by with special preference marrying a guy from the West.

    After the wall broke down and corrupt functioneers of the ex communist state leading party cadres took over the power and welcomed the big companies, trusts and banks by sell out whatever would made rich their clans, then FSU and East Germany and so on faced very fast a prostitution problem, increase of Aids and drug consumption, street children problems and children prostitution and children pornography ... in East Germany the more violent pimps from West Germany took over the red light areas in the East German cities.

    It is true, most of the women there were "imported" from Poland, Czech Republic. Europe's largest street redlight area started on the Czech side of the border between Dresden/Germany in direction to Prague, and that was also a "paradise" for pedophiles!

    Pimps also organised that FSU women were hired to work as "waitress" or "model". After arrival of these women in the redlight district the pimps took away their passports, they violated these women and forced them to work as prostitutes in any place. Some "clients" helped some of these ladies to escape. The police did nothing else than deport them because of illegal presence in the country, and this deportation is done so fast that the pimps are not damaged by all that.

    Some others of these ladies are married, mostly managed in Denmark with a poor guy who receives some money and does not even know his "wife" ... it is only for legalization of their status to stay in the country. In some cases such ladies continue to work as prostitutes but in a more independent way later on. They see how much money they can make by that and get used to it.

    No government is really interested in solving this problem. Sex has become a product to sell and to buy on the market! Rich managers and politicians and judges and police chiefs are corrupt and often the pimps' mafia makes them dependent ... some pics of Mr Director with a girlie of 14 years naked in the whirlpool and this Mr Director is not able anymore to do anything against pimps... .

    On the other hand, I do not believe the story of stupid well-looking girls in poor areas who have no clue about the risk they take accepting such an "employment contract" to work abroad as "waitress". Also poor people there watch tv and listen to the radio and are aware of this problem.

    In case of minors and children it is abduction and really kidnapping. Adult persons are responsible for what they do!

    For my opinion, only replacing capitalism by socialism/communism will solve this problem definitely. As long as business and profits are the greatest values of the society we will have to face such problems with all perversions and tragedies and impacts.

    Goddiejens

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    Cit. Jens:

    "For my opinion, only replacing capitalism by socialism/communism will solve this problem definitely. As long as business and profits are the greatest values of the society we will have to face such problems with all perversions and tragedies and impacts."

    Sorry to have to say it, but this is a classical example of a beliefsystem. It's all well taken as an idealistic ideology, but you haven't got one shred of evidence for your postulate. All you have is your own naive and blind faith in some system, which in practise has shown its shortcomings (just as capitalism has shown ITS shortcomings).

    What do we get next? Jesusfreaks?

    All the saints save us from prophets and missionaries.

    PS As I said before, the women were treated liked "beeb" in FSU. This is firsthand evidence, I have from several sources, and it didn't start with the fall of socialism.

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    I can tie this all into the FSU/MOB scamming and seeming lack of "real" women. The sex slavery trade in the FSU has very seriously effected the FSU dating scene. Stories abound of women who are conned to leaving their homes and find themselves in very bad situations. It's been documented that various factions of organized crime are involved, as well as some sleazy individuals. The Russian mob is known to dupe innocent girls into coming to the US, taking their passports and the next thing they know, they are SOLD to some scumbag.

    It's been said that Turks and many arabs covet Ukraine and slavic women, but women of any race or nationality are at risk in some way. It is a big problem!
    quote:For my opinion, only replacing capitalism by socialism/communism will solve this problem definitely. As long as business and profits are the greatest values of the society we will have to face such problems with all perversions and tragedies and impacts.
    Jens, I have to agree with swede on what he said about communism/socialism NOT being the answer. As I posted on the psychobabbling thread, this philosophy can ONLY work if all agree to it. That will never happen in our lifetimes. Lenin's ideology was great, but it's application has always been flawwed.

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    Hi Swede and Peoplesmoks,

    nice to read that 70 years of social development without such evils like hunger, extreme poverty, being without health insurance and without pension safety system, unemployment ... for you had only been a "beliefsystem". You ignore the classist character of the society, guys. You ignore the matter of fact of explotation. You ignore that the capitalist system has been unable to solve only one of the global mankind problems.

    The marxist-leninist parties have nothing to do with "beliefsystem" or religious sects. They are very dedicated to study the social reality and find a way to change the world so that not profit making but welfare of all people is the central value of the society.

    Well, you only see the "biest character" of the human beings. So you might just identify yourself with the "wolfes" in this "wolfe capitalism". From this position you cannot change anything in the present society. You can only express that you like some things and that you dislike some other things. But you cannot really move anything to find solutions for groups of people which you may be would like to help.

    Goddiejens

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    Sorry I have to repeat it: Being against communism isn't being for capitalism. I believe I have made that clear several times. Retoric isn't going home.

    I visited Poland before the Sovjet influence was over, and I SAW the hordes of homeless beggars. I saw the milis at every street corner. I saw the empty shops. I saw the run down factories, where the workers had to use technology 40-50 years outdated. I saw the scyhigh energy costs, so people lived in almost freezeboxes. I saw the farmers and collectives being unable to sell their products (even if a great demand existed inside and outside Poland), because the government-directed sales-organisations were led by incompetent party 'beeb'lickers.
    I saw the paranoia in the common people.

    Sure, it was a beautiful system.

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    quote:The marxist-leninist parties have nothing to do with "beliefsystem" or religious sects. They are very dedicated to study the social reality and find a way to change the world so that not profit making but welfare of all people is the central value of the society.
    Ahhhh! But it IS a beliefsystem, and for it to succeed, ALL involved MUST believe in it. As I have posted in psycho-b, I find the ideal and concept to be quite intriguing and wonderful were it possible, but as soon as one becomes the "leader", which is inevitable considering the vast number of weak minded in the world, all equality is then lost, and true socialism along with it.
    quote:Well, you only see the "biest character" of the human beings. So you might just identify yourself with the "wolfes" in this "wolfe capitalism". From this position you cannot change anything in the present society. You can only express that you like some things and that you dislike some other things. But you cannot really move anything to find solutions for groups of people which you may be would like to help.
    The problem is that this "biest character" is today's reality. I personally am a bit of a dreamer, just as you appear to be. However, I do have at least one foot firmly planted in the reality that what true communism/socialism involves simply can not take place in present day world society. As I have said, ALL must abide by such, or what is the alternative??? Do you plan to FORCE compliance with the state??? Sounds a bit like Uncle Joe Stalin's mindset.

    So, please tell me... Just HOW would you institute such a massive socio-economic world wide change without building a massive army, nuclear weapons and "conquering" the world in order to spread your good ideals??? Tough question huh? Yes, I have many questions and few answers. I claim no special abilities my friend.
    quote:I visited Poland before the Sovjet influence was over, and I SAW the hordes of homeless beggars. I saw the milis at every street corner. I saw the empty shops. I saw the run down factories, where the workers had to use technology 40-50 years outdated. I saw the scyhigh energy costs, so people lived in almost freezeboxes. I saw the farmers and collectives being unable to sell their products (even if a great demand existed inside and outside Poland), because the government-directed sales-organisations were led by incompetent party 'beeb'lickers.
    I saw the paranoia in the common people.
    As we have opportunity to discuss elsewhere, the basic ideology behind communism isn't the problem as I see it. The problem is human greed, and all it takes is one Joe Stalin to corrupt the whole thing until it becomes what it did.

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    Cit PeopleS:

    "Do you plan to FORCE compliance with the state??? Sounds a bit like Uncle Joe Stalin's mindset."

    Well said PeopleS,

    it's exactly my point also, that any ideological system (as f. ex. a religion or a political system) at humanity's present state will need force to be accepted generally. As I've said several times, we will "for our own good" be lead at gunpoint to see things, as some powercrazed dictator wants us to.

    Most of us are as individuals far too "confused" or unaware to be able to recognize any truth, a possible correct ideology may contain. Even less so to accept it. Whatever such an ideology will turn out to be like.

    This is why I have suggested a search for methods leading individual people to more personal integrity, before we can even start thinking about utopias. And that explains, why it's difficult, if not hopeless, to give any absolutes now. The idea is more like a process, than a ready set of finished answers.

    You have formerly talked about evolution as the answer, but I have a very small hope, that we can help awareness on its way by an effort by ourselves.

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