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  1. #11
    Join Date
    Dec 2007


    Any 'informed' contributor, who will bring this thread up to date?

    It would be a shame, if the big job of anti-scamming done earlier would be wasted, because a new generation isn't aware of the shady aspects of webdating....having the whole circkus repeated once more.

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2008


    In my spare time I am putting online here http://antiscam.000space.com/odbs.htm
    what I collected over the years on these MOB forums and dating sites.
    It seems it all grew old...but search engines keep it alive for those still seeking with a grain of salt to be so open-minded to run a few searches before sending those damn 300$ (199, 3569...).
    Recently the RWA site -where any activity had stopped eons ago and where registration was closed- was wiped clean by an hacker.
    Who in hell might have ANY interest in attacking a dead site with probably 2 new posts per year?!
    Answer: some criminal doing so at the behest of some scam gang or scam agency bothered by what was on the site...
    Yes, posts might be years old, but made it to search engines...some people found out, eventually, that even old posts on dead websites spread slowly but surely.
    It is bad for THEIR business, but the word is out and it's spreading, even if we old geezers are no longer milling dozens of new posts.
    Their pipe dreams WILL find suckers who bait as long as man exists...fewer and fewer each passing year, though.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2007


    Hi Ham,

    good to see, that there are more old-timers around, who still keep the subject of scamming alive.

    Presently I don't claim to have complete up-to-date information on this subject, but a general impression is, that things appear to have gotten a bit worse in recent years. I still have one dating-profile, which regularly appears to turn itself on and off according to rules I can't find anywhere on that site, and where even such obvious scams as 'the nigerian inheritance'-contrick aren't closed immediately (in spite of the site-owner's anti-scam assurances and after my reports).

    And from this site I have recieved ONLY ONE relatively relevant offer the last three or so years (earlier there used to be at least a few serious offers). The rest are from women 25-40 years my juniors (if not actually coming from a Boris, a Mwaba or a US 'Honest Joe'), who ignore everything which I search for (as stated in my profile), who can't spell (at ALL), and not least obviously have turned the whole datingscam-activity into an assembly-line industry.

    If you send out some thousand spam/scam mails, there may be a statistical possibility of some naive person being fooled.

    And instead of relating factually to the various protests and anti-scam manifestations coming from individuals, this scam-'industry' probably finds it easier to attack the whole anti-scam 'movement' in terms of what could be expected from say a forum of heated religious debate.

    As you say, Ham, through direct intervention, or as I have experienced it myself, through character-defamation or -assasination. Scam-victims are no longer victims of criminal activity, but lovesick 'loosers', who try to pay back after being 'scorned' by some lilywhite and pureminded innocent women ...... and similar debate-tactical maneuvers from the scam-industry.

    (I don't question, that SOME scorned men react this way, but it's not representative of the antiscam community. Anybody doubting this can take a look at this forum, and notice our 'self-sanitizing' efforts).

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2008


    Well, there are a bazillion sites in this niche, but all fall within a few hands: that's old news, but comes with consequences.
    As repeatedly documented over the years, when profiles of mail-order love doves turn out to be ten years old or on escort agencies, then it's your prerogative to tell me I am a loser, or whatever...that won't change the fact only because con-sites run a dog&pony show with a few stooges and their 1432 aliases.

  5. #15
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    Mar 2014


    Quote Originally Posted by swede View Post
    It's not that there's so much new information to give apart from the tendency for scamming to be more centrally organised. According to the (now-adays second hand) knowledge I have, the amount of individual, freelance scamming is diminishing.

    In any case I mostly updated this thread, which easily could be overlooked amongst the many other topics on the forum. so it would be easier to find.

    I can only recommend any new net-daters to read all of this thread from the beginning, if you feel you are being scammed. And if you want further communication, we usually are at the thread 'psychbabbling'.
    To add a newer perspective having my scam been only in the last 2 months, but my investigating has been daily since. Scamming and scammers are alive and well. They now have thousands of sites to work through globally. You do still see bot scams. Which is a robotic type profile or comment sent To you. Cut and paste jobs. These are probably the easiest to identify. The scammers that are operating personally or as part of a much larger organisation will potentially have the same or similar profile descriptions for all their alias's. But their reply's to you will at least make comments that address anything you've said. These scammers are harder to identify and harder to see beyond their mail to you as it will seem more personalised. However a lot of things remain the same. Most if not all scammers want to get you away from the site ASAP. Don't let anyone on a dating site have your personal email unless you've been chatting on the site for a decent period of time and have not received undue pressure to move away. Know and check details. This means ask questions that require personal knowledge from the person your chatting to. And check that what you've been told is true. Google search every answer to see if it's confirmed. If not say bye. If a person is quickly annoyed you won't move to personal email or Skype say bye straight away. Do not give to many personal details to anyone unless your in a position where you are sure and they share with you at the same rate. There are still genuine people men and women looking for love. So you don't have to rule out everyone just those that seek to hurt you financially and emotionally. Next thing to note. Any person your chatting with (remaining on the site to talk) that very quickly starts to claim very strong emotions for you that grow with every passing moment is a big warning sign. Remember to ask personal questions and check them. If you receive photos of the person your talking with run image searches on several browsers. They are normally a great way to find out quickly your being done over. Also scambook and stop scammers have a great database of pics and reports. A good place to check first. If anyone asks you for money via wire transfer ie. western union or money gram then you are most likely in the presence of a scammer. Some ask for small amounts some large. If you do give to the small amount then normally the amounts and frequency of your help required will escalate quickly. So as a rule if asked you are not financially secure enough to help. I would if I could is always a good answer. This will normally show their true colours. If they accept your comment then that's good. If they get irritated or annoyed or even try blackmail. Such as if you really cared you'd help. Emotional blackmail is common. But these are all good signs to run. Don't walk, run. Sever all ties. I guess the other thing is when in doubt, ask someone that knows more than you. Even ask a friend that has an outside perspective, they'll at least be honest with you and be concerned for you not the person your talking to. An outside perspective can be very helpful when your emotionally involved. If all else fails we are all here to help. Good luck to you all. If I can assist anyone please ask and I will do whatever I can to help. Bigbroadandhugable

  6. #16
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    Dec 2014
    3132 Johnson Street Virgilina, NC 24598, United States


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  7. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Yoshkar Ola


    Don`t send money to russian lady`s - it`s first. And check your babe - It`s second. Best way to check you russian woman it`s search her account in the russian social network(vk.com and odnoklassniki.ru), if she is real you find lady . But if you russian very bad, you can write to me, and i help you

  8. #18


    Hello there guys. Newbie here. Thank you for the approval.

  9. #19


    got this while talking to a scammer....On Saturday, July 6, 2013 5:03 AM, Miss Inyass wrote Forwarded Message -----From:*Fulera Hassan
    To:*"missinyass@yahoo.com" *
    Sent:*Monday, November 19, 2012 2:01 PM
    Subject:*Fw: format-- Forwarded Message -----
    From:*Fulera Hassan
    To:*"judyscott2g@yahoo.com" *
    Sent:*Friday, August 10, 2012 1:55 AM
    Subject:*format- Forwarded Message -----
    From:*Fulera Hassan
    To:*"alimahassan344@yahoo.com" *
    Sent:*Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:10 PM
    Subject:*mugu--- Forwarded Message -----
    From:*Fulera Hassan
    To:*"iloveu2327@yahoo.com" *
    Sent:*Monday, July 30, 2012 2:51 PM
    Subject:*Fw: mu----- Forwarded Message -----
    From:*Fulera Hassan
    To:*"iloveu2327@yahoo.com" *
    Sent:*Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:44 PM
    Subject:*m----- Forwarded Message -----
    From:*Fulera Hassan
    To:*"eskimo_cooler@yahoo.com" *
    Sent:*Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:07 PM
    Subject:*hello-- Forwarded Message -----
    From:*alfred alorde
    Sent:*Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:57 AM
    Subject:*FW: FormatDate: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:51:53 -0700
    From: alfredinanalk@yahoo.com
    Subject: Fw: Format
    To: nlakalfredina@hotmail.comTHIS IS YOUR FORMAT* USE IT* ON MUGUS*ABOUT**** ME....
    I am jeniffa by name i am 31 female with no kids ...never* been married...5'7 feet tall and athletic and I was born in colorado** and raised in Ghana* and my race is colorado My heritage is English,may be u may ask what i mean by my heritage is English is all cuss our Colonial masters was the British and my dad is a British man, my religion is a Christian,never mind about me been a Christian so* let us see what the future would hold for me and u.****** Am student* i study accounting and i just completed my education and had master degree in accounting. Talking about who i am;am that easy going type, adventurous, romantic, ambitious and have a very good sense of humor..******** My hobbies are too many but to mentioned a few; sports,watching movies, going for walks, listening to music (almost all types of music), love on the beach, dancing in the dark etc.
    ******** My favorite movies are romantic movies, eating habits: just about anything. I don?t have any kids, I don?t smoke or drink alcohol. am always smiling and don?t easily get irritated, I don't even remember the last time I frowned.
    ********* am that type of person who always try to make people laugh. I always make sure to share the little that I have with someone and* also satisfied with whatever I have. am an all rounded person to* cut it this is all i can say about me but if you feels there's more you want to know about me please you're more than welcome to ask any question u wished to know about me and* am also alone and looking for someone to share my whole life with,not just someone but one who have all the good characters in life. am of that type and want someone with the same to spend with.* II can see you are of that type because you stated it in your advert the type of person of you want.i really know what love is and also the type who give his whole heart in a relationship.* Relationships are built one day at a time; they take time, patience, honesty, passion and ability to compromise and grow! So with true love, is by sharing bad and good times together. True love is a covenant that we build on a strong foundation and that?s why we don?t develop it within a* day. It takes sometime to mature and that?s when both sees that they are having the same strong feeling for each other. It is
    with true love as it is with ghosts; everyone talks about it, but few have seen it. I promise to make my one and only the most happiest man on earth if only he?s willing to* accept me as part of him. I?ll be there whenever he needs me and promise never to do anything to hurt his feeling. I?ll love him just the way he is, being blind, disable, deaf or dumb or whatever category that he falls in. I really mean my words and I?m serious too.I?m ever ready to sail to the end of the sea with him and ever prepared to do anything to have him forever. I promised to be the woman of his dreams cuss I?m not going,to let him down, since the adage goes ;A woman without a man is like a river or a stream without a source and as relationship are build on trust and with mutual respect I assure him my whole heart. I don?t know and can?t tell if* that special person is you but I believe it?s you Bcus your advert alone speaks of it all so why don?t we give ourselves a chance and find out what happens. I know at this point, we have something in common so let us be serious to each other and see what the future will be for us and pls write back and stay blessed.

    How many Girlfriends you had before?
    2. Do you know what went wrong in your past relationship(s)?
    3. Do you know what you want in a new partner?
    4.Do you smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol or do drugs?
    5.How many brothers and sisters etc. you have?( How big is your family?)
    6. What's the year you were born and how old you are?
    7. What types of music or movies or TV Shows you like?
    8. What is your goals or dreams in life?
    9. What do you dream about at night?
    10. What's your favorite foods & drinks?
    11. Can you drive a vehicle?
    12. What's your religion?
    13. What languages you speak?
    14. Are You left or right handed?
    15.Are you financially stable?
    16. Are you intelligent and smart and educated with common sense?
    17. What's your turn on's and turn off's?
    18. Do have any sexual transmiitted diseases?
    19. Do you any tattoos and body piercings?
    20. What is your favorite Positiong in Sex?
    21. What's your interest and dislikes?
    22. Have you learned something about yourself from every past relationship?
    23.Have you narrowed down your specific desires as to what type of person you want to meet?
    24.Have you talked about your feelings with someone else?
    25.What did you do this weekend (week)?
    26.What sports do you play or like?
    27.Where did you go to school/college?
    28.Do you like (an interest of yours)?
    29.What's Your Favorite Sexual Fantasy?
    30.What's Your Favorite Way To Be Touched?
    What are your religious views?
    Do you believe in a God?
    What are your views about an afterlife?
    How should we agree to handle arguments?
    If you're mad about something how will you let me know?
    If you're having problems would you talk it out or keep it inside?
    Do you like sharing your feelings?
    What are your views about same sex friends?
    How do you feel about ex-lovers being friends?
    How important is a girl's or guy's night out?
    Who should hold the main financial responsibility in a marriage?
    Should a wife stay home with kids?
    What are your views about stay-at-home dads?
    How would you feel about women who make more money than men?
    What are your views towards handling money?
    Do you feel you should save everything?
    Do you feel you should splurge a little?
    How would you rate your ability to handle money?
    How would you handle a debt problem?
    What would you do if your partner became disabled and couldn't work?
    What would you do if your partner face long-term unemployment?
    What would you expect from that partner?
    Would you have an abortion?
    What are your views on abortion?
    Do you want children?
    How many children do you think a couple should have?
    How would you discipline your children?
    Do you think couples should argue in front of their kids?
    Do you feel couples should have displays of affection in front of their kids?
    What are your views on the educational system?
    How would you want your kids taught?
    Public school, private school, home schooling, or other?
    Who do you expect would be the primary care giver for your children?
    What do you feel about interracial couples?
    How do you feel about same sex marriages?
    What are your views on age gap relationships (more than 10 years apart)?
    How would you handle your children if they were involved in one of these types of relationships?
    How would you handle your partner if they developed a problem such as gambling or alcohol?
    What would you do if your partner cheated on you?
    At what point would you consider divorcing a life mate?
    Where do you want to be in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
    What are your life goals?
    What are your passions?
    If you had a million dollars how would you spend it?
    Do you believe in marriage?
    Do you believe you should only marry once?
    What do you hope to gain from a marriage?
    What do you expect from a marriage partner?
    What do you feel is the purpose of a couple getting married?

  10. #20


    ***This is part two RELESHIP....
    All relationships have some adjustment periods, but being hurt shouldn?t be part of being in love. Loving relationships have good qualities, such as support from your partner, a willingness to communicate, a desire to compromise, and open an honest communication. When you do not have these fundamental qualities in a relationship, that relationship isn?t likely to grow, and become something that you desire.
    We all turn to our loved ones for support from time to time. When your loved one does not offer you their support it may be time to look at your relationship. As we all want to nurture those that we love. We want the best in life for those that we care about. If your partner is unwilling to listen to you, and to your problems, they are not meeting your needs when you need support. Support can come in many forms, someone lending an ear, someone going out of their way to help you, or something as simple as a phone call to cheer you up. Make sure your partner gives you support when you need it.
    When engaging in a relationship with another person there is always going to be things that you do not agree upon. You want to have the ability to compromise so both partners are getting their wishes met. This may mean one night you watch football, and one night your partner watches a movie you enjoy. It might mean that your partner can agree to try a dish that you enjoy cooking............... In any organization with more than one person in it, there will be more than one opinion, work with your partner to see that both of you can compromise on different subjects. If someone isn?t willing to compromise, they are not willing to acknowledge your wants and desires. If they can not acknowledge your wants they are likely not emotionally developed enough for you to have your needs met.
    Open and honest communication is one of the more desirable qualities you want to have in a relationship. Watch to see that your partner is not secretive, nor are they willing to tell lies to avoid certain subjects. For example, if a partner is married, and fails to tell you that, you can rightfully assume if they can lie about big things, they can lie about small things. While you may not like everything your partner may say, freedom to be honest should be there in your relationship. Likewise, you need to be open and honest with your partner; a relationship based upon false truths is not likely to be successful, because both partners do not have the correct frame of reference in the relationship.
    There are many qualities that make relationships good support, compromise, and open and honest communication is just a few of these qualities that you may desire in a relationship. Engage only in relationships where both partners can openly discuss their wants and needs, this can take practice. Remember loving relationships grow and only become better, eliminate those who do not meet your needs when they continually fail to support you, will not compromise, and will not be honest. `
    ***************** *
    ***************************** ABOUT***** MY BODY ....
    *I am vulnerable about my exterior appearance, about my body. I do not like when you compliment me about my aspect with jokes. I like and sometimes even prefer a stranger's compliment when it is said appropriately. I like when you surprise me with your compliments. Being surprised is like feeling there is something new, novel. I appreciate constructive suggestions, for example about the way I dress, but I do not like when you joke about it. If there is something you do not like, for example my new lipstick, tell it with courtesy, and buy me another one without letting me know.
    *** *
    ******************************** THINGS**** I LIKE .
    * I want to laugh, laugh, laugh with you. I want to dance with you, listen to music with you, and laugh with you. Let's laugh, let's free up, laughing together!
    I like biking, I like going to the ocean and walking on the beach. You know it and I love when you propose doing something that maybe you do not specifically like doing, but you do because you know I like it.
    I love surprise gifts ? a haircut, or a day at a spa, or an hour of massage. It is a real gift when I come back home and find tasks I was supposed to do during that time already taken care of!
    A dinner invitation is nice too, but it has to be a surprise. I love when you anticipate my desires; it means you know me very well, all the little things I care about, and my habits
    ******************************** SEX....
    Sex is important. Love is outside and inside the bedroom. New things in bed help strengthen and renew the relationship. You make me feel your sexual desire with your eyes, and it usually takes only a few seconds. I love when you look at me in the right way, when you gently put your hand in my hair. I like those kisses with closed mouth, like in the movies. They are like a preliminary, and make me thirsty for what is going to follow.
    * *
    ******************************** LOVE...
    To love me is to accept me as I am. I do not want to be judged for the things I do. I want you to trust me and let me do what I feel is right. We women are always "right" ? it is a matter of love. When I feel alone, empty, a stranger, I want your eyes to tell me I am the person you love and you want me for what I am.* Do not do or say things because you think you are "honest", do them because of your love for me, and trust me even though you think I am wrong. Just as we do not judge our children because they are our children and we love them.

    ***************************** LITTLES THINGS I DO EVERY DAY ..
    Be happy because I am happy. I like you when you say hi in the morning. I like when you call in the evening and tell me where you are and when you'll be at home. I feel nervous if I do not know where you are and I am here waiting for you. I like when there is complicity between us. I do not necessarily like when you do things I am jealous about, such as preparing the table or cooking dinner. But if you do it, take care of everything, to make me feel completely relaxed about it.

    ************************* TRUST
    You need trust to love, but first you need to love in order to trust.To love someone is to understand each other, to laugh together, to smile with your heart and to trust one another. One important thing is to let each other go if you can't do this...............Love is like a wonderful feeling of compassion and satisfaction. It should be given respect and trust; and it should receive that love back.The best proof of love is trust.True love is the greatest thing that you can experience; it can weather any storm. Loving, trusting and respecting each other totally can bring you to true love and happiness.It's hard to love and hard to trust; but finding love and finding trust was a gift from you to me.Relationships should never be taken for granted. The choice of being with another life is an amazing thing. Trust, loyalty and respect are a must for eternal happiness. No matter how much you love someone if you don?t have these ingredients you will never succeed.To be in love means being patient but to be patient you must trust him/her* first.You can never find love through the eye or ear, so you must trust the only thing that will never fade until you die, your heart.Love is like trust, when you find your special someone it is as if you're trusting them with your heart.Trust is what you put in someone's hands. Faith is what you hold on to.Trust is what makes everyone realize that you are always there for them. Faith is what makes everyone realize that you are always there to help them in case they need some help. Love makes not everyone, but the only one in your life who is special, think that you are always there for her, to be with her, to cherish her, to fulfill her dreams, to share with her and most of all, to make her realize how much you really love her.Distance doesn't matter if you really love the person, what matters most is your honesty and trust for that relationship to work out.Without romance, love gets dry. Without respect, love gets lost. Without caring, love gets boring. Without honesty, love gets unhappy, and without trust, love gets unstable.Love is a wonderful gift; trust in it, believe in it, give it, and it will be returned to you to give again and again.You can get advice from family, friends and strangers, but the best advice comes from your heart; it never lies - trust it.There may be many people that are trustworthy, but only a few are worth trusting with your heart; choose wisely.To be trusted is a greater compliment than to be loved. For you can love many, but without trust you have nothing...............The heart already knows what the mind can only dream of. Trust your heart.Distance cannot, and will not hurt a bond between two people that is based on mutual respect, trust, commitment, and love.Jealousy is not a sign of true love; it's insecurities that comes in the way, 'cause love has just one important ingredient: Trust.Do you trust me?Love means never doubting anything. It means trusting and being honest with each other someone can be as beautiful on the outside as they are on the inside, but when he or she betrays your trust, they become the ugliest person in the world.Love is patient. Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It is not proud. It is not rude. It is not self-seeking. It is not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrong doing. It does not delight in evil, but rejoices in the truth. It always protects, trusts, hopes, perseveres.Love takes many things: trust, hope, wishes, dreams, and everything you've got, even when you know it's not going be enough.Love is not always fireworks and shooting stars; sometimes it's a simple understanding and trust between two people................

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