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  1. #1
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    Default sCAMM OR NOT

    Hello all

    I received some letter from a nice lady Olga and after I received from the Agency That If I am interest I have to pay for corespondence.I am sorry for my english.I hope you will copy me..
    I send a letters I want your opinion is this agency a scamm. How could I know?
    Thank you

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    Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:30:53 +0300
    From: "Olga" <veka1979@mail.ru>
    To: matkoboy@yahoo.com
    Subject: From Olga
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    My e-mail adr. : veka1979@mail.ru
    Hi, my dear friend!
    Tank you for your letter, I was very glad to receive it.
    It was very pleasant for me to know that you noticed just
    me. I suspect that first my bright appearance attracted
    your attention, but I really hope that our relations will go
    further and you will be intereted in my innner world. I
    think it is very important to see a person not only from
    his outward side, but also know what kind of person is.
    Please, forgive me if I tell something wrong, because I don`t
    have much experiance in communication in such way, actually
    I don`t have it at all. Frankly speaking this is first time
    I decided to get acquainted with the help of Internet. To tell
    you the truth, I hope to meet not simply a close friend, but
    a man who would become my future husband, a man whom I would
    trust completely, a very special person, who would love me and
    care of me, whom I would be happy to share my joys and troubles
    until the end of my life. A person, who would love, understand
    and appreciate me equally. From my side I would do my best to
    make him the happiest man on Earth. But first of all you should
    know more about me. So, my name is Olga, I am a young lady of
    twenty five. I live in Lugansk, this is one of the biggest cities
    of Ukraine. I can`t say that this is the city of my dream, but
    I live here since my early childhood and I really like it, because
    this is the city where I was born and I`ve been living for twenty
    five years already. My family is rather small, it consisits of two
    members: my Mom and I, just the two of us. Mom is already retired,
    but she continues working at a factory. I work as secretary in a
    private firm. I finished the three-year courses. My job is not
    the one I was dreaming about for all my life, but unfortunately
    I don`t have any choice. The situation in Ukraine is quite difficult,
    there are many unemployers, so as I don`t want to be one of them I
    had to agree on the job of a secretary.
    In my free time I like doing lots of things. My biggest love is
    tennis. I go in for this kind of sports since my childhood and I
    should say that I`m pretty good at it. I`m also really fond of
    watching movies, all kinds of them. As to music, my tastes
    are very different. I like Pop the same as Rock or Jazz. So, when
    I have free time, unfortunately, there isn`t much of it, I usually
    spend it going out with my friends.
    Sorry, have to go now. Hope to hear from you soon.
    Eagerly waiting for your letter,

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    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:23:15 +0300
    From: "Olga22" <veka1979@mail.ru>
    To: "arh tadic matjaz" <matkoboy@yahoo.com>
    Subject: From Olga
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    Hello, Matko!
    It was a real pleasure for me to read your letter, I`m glad to realize
    that in you I have found a very interesting person, that is why I do
    hope that our communication will continue and develop, letting us learn
    more and more about each other. I hope, you share my opinion as to this
    point, at least I will try to do my best to make you think so.
    I guess, I will keep telling you about myself, about my life and my
    to everything in this world. This all seems so new to me, because I
    have told you
    already that this is my first try to find someone close this way and my
    first time
    using Internet in general. Call me old-fashioned, but I never really
    liked computers,
    and moreover it was pretty hard for me to believe, that someone can
    search and find
    love or friends like this.It is even more difficult for me, because I
    don`t speak
    English, and all this communication goes through an interpreter of the
    agency. But now
    I must admit that I was wrong in a way, because I have found you, and,
    though it hasn`t
    been a long time we know each other, even through letters I start to
    feel something
    for you, you know, it`s like if you were my old friend, someone I know
    for ages,
    it`s hard to explain, but I feel like with you I can talk about
    everything and get
    understanding. And this is what I appreciate in people most of all:
    ability to u
    nderstand and to support, these are the things I`m going to give to my
    future husband
    and this is what I want to get back from him.
    Actually, I can`t say that there are some exact creterias, something
    I demand from a person who I want to be with. I believe, that all two
    need is real love, and if you love, you can forgive a lot and
    understand a lot.
    In love there must be respect, trust and understanding, and then there
    is hardly
    a thing in this world, that can spoil or ruin such relationship.
    As you have probably understood, I`m a really family-oriented woman, I
    have realized that
    all I really need in life is a beloved husband, with whom we will make
    a happy family with
    children( I adore them, and I dream about being a mother). As to
    children, I`m just positive
    that to grow up happy they need both parents by their side, I`m telling
    this from my
    own experience, and I`m determined to give this to them, to give them
    everythnig and to
    leave a part of me and my beloved man in their faces and souls.
    Some people say that it can`t be romance in a family life, with
    everyday routine, like
    housework and the stuff, but I`m sure that this is the opinion of those
    who were unlucky not
    to find or to loose their feelings. As far as I`m conserned, there can
    be nothing more romantic,
    than waking up in the morning with the man you already know for years
    and to understand that with
    every passing day your love to him is just growing.
    I think it is time for me to finish right now. Well, this is the life
    and love I`m searching for,
    who knows, maybe we are looking for the same...
    Waiting for your answer unpatiently,

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    Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:25:12 +0300
    From: "Olga22" <veka1979@mail.ru>
    To: "arh tadic matjaz" <matkoboy@yahoo.com>
    Subject: From "Jelanni"
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    Dear Sir
    Thank you for using our services and your serious interest in Olga
    She applied to our firm for help because she doesn't know English and
    has not access to the Internet. At the same time Olga wants to find
    her soul mate and she seriously interested in you and hopes to develop
    your relationships.
    For the moment her account is over. If you are seriously interested in
    continuation of
    correspondence with her, contact us to get more details about our
    and payment.

    We hope our offer is interesting for you.

    Sincerely Yours


    Female Scammers from Nigeria, Ghana, Russia, Ukraine and Philippines

  2. #21
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    Aug 2004



    I wonder about her too. She does sound like a really good professional scammer. How many men would do a trace on her IP address? I would say less that 1/10 of 1% would think of doing this. The professional scammers know this and will move on once someone catches wind of this. I guess we will really see if she is honest.

    It does make me wonder why she doesn't use internet cafe, but with her changing ip addresses, it is starting to make me thinks she is. Her place of work may not know she is sending out emails. In the US, companies really don't press the issue, and I would suspect the same in Ukraine. I'm sure they don't spend the money to spy on their workers, and secondly, they probably don't care.

  3. #22
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    Sep 2004


    Aussieman40 - Wxman2003
    Neither of the two of you know little to nothing of what you are talking about.
    Many of the things you write about do not pertain to the topic.
    Are you both here because your bored, if that be the case may I suggest maybe write emails to each other.
    One of the two of you (Aussieman) once said that you would not be back to this forum, its to bad your words no good.

    W ) There are many "Hot" looking "babes" (as you say) who are very serious in there search for there other half and the Internet is there only means. In case you don't know, the estimated women to men ratio in Russia and FSC is 12/1, and there are more than ten million women looking for there other half, with most being serious, and again most are not interested in a man's bank account. Does because she is beautiful mean shes a scammer?,

    W ) Why do you think that if a women is serious, she will learn English on her own? If by chance she were to meet a man in her Country, why does she need another language?, and then there's the women who has not met a man yet, Only dreaming, what if she meets and he is not from an English speaking Country? No, you are a conceited piece of sh*t, remember, your NOT the only thing going and you are doomed to fail at any relationship. its your time, so go ahead and waste it.
    Once a man meets a lady for an extended period of time, visits etc. and they agree that she will live in his Country, Only then will she know what lauguage to learn, then it should be his moral and financial obligation to see that she learns.

    And maybe you better find yourself another lawyer because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about when it comes to a women knowing the English language. There are many men who will try going threw the legal process without an attorney, some will succeed but more will fail. For men to spend thousands in there search, only to try and save money towards the end, Hire a reputable attorney, he will have liaisons at any embassy to help the women threw the process, it will make her feel at ease and things will go smoother, and not to mention speed things up.

    A ) You at 40 yrs. what the hell are you doing communicating with a girl 24? You should be ashamed of yourself. within a few years, She is close enough to the age of being your daughter. I realize what many Russian women think about age. But a 24 year old girl is not mature enough to know what she wants, let alone anything about family values, there is a big difference between a 40 year old conversing with a 24 year old, and a 50 year old conversing with a 37 year old, its called maturity. You are nothing short of being a potential child molester, or better yet, a baby raper. Was your wife of 12 years, a child as well? you need professional help. You may have to go to another forum for that.

  4. #23
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    Jul 2004


    I simply got the urge to add:

    That I as well, also clearly recall the episode when Aussiman40 frankly promised to never, ever get back to these forums again.

    So I'm SO glad he's not a salesman of used cars, in my nearest neighbourhood

    "FlyToRussia" You maybe had a few points ther? Who knows....


    See Ya

  5. #24
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    Aug 2004


    Fly to Russia

    First of all you are the one who has absolutely no clue! Why don't you write to the US embassy in Kiev to find out the truth? Do you think I just believe everything a lawyer tells me? No, I checked, and by the way I also work for the United Stated government, and I also checked with the state department. So until you have the facts straight, you need to piss off before making accussations. You my friend are the loser who has no clue. I know more about US immigration policies than you will ever know.

    Secondly, I do have an excellent lawyer who has people working in Kiev, and in Russia to help mt fiancee through this process. She decided to learn english after we met several times. She wants to be able to adjust quickly to Americaa and being to speak English is importatn to her. So apparently you know all FSU women and exactly how they think and feel. Just like your expertise in immigration processes. Don't lecture me on the process. I do know it.

    You are what we call a jack of all trades, but a master of none. You blow more hot air out of your butt that it leaves a voide in your head. Take your arrogance and go somewhere else. You are a bitter man who wants happiness for no none!

  6. #25
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    Sep 2004


    Guys, I can't believe this!

    It's Christmas - certainly no Christmas cheer/goodwill to all men from Flytorussia: Terms like "potential baby raper" and similar are totally out of order! They may be your personal opinions but keep such derogatory, insulting and, frankly, almost libellous terms to yourselves. Don't let this forum slide to such low levels. It's a forum designed to share information to benefit others, I believe.

    So what if a marriage with such an age difference doesn't work out? Both parties could be 'happy' with the outcome? She a visa and he some affection/romance/love/physicality with a beautiful young girl for a couple of years!

    Statistically 50% of ALL marriages end in divorce in this day and age anyway!

    I have no interest in any women of MY age, regardless of colour, creed, race or religion. It just does not 'do it' for me. And believe me, since my divorce, I have played the 'dating game' here in the UK with real endeavour. I am also a few years OLDER than Aussieman and my 4 'relationships' have been with girls aged 25 - 32...so what does that make me, Flytorussia?? My lawyers are on standby for your cultured reply!

    Have a great Xmas guys...mine has started really well with several beautiful e-cards from the Ukraine and an ICQ chat with my girl in Kiev who has become a good friend through this dating game. It has added certain dimensions to my life that are most welcome...so does that make me a 'pervert'because they are younger than me?....or does it just mean that I have found a way to express feelings, romantic thoughts and bring perhaps, a little happiness to my life AS WELL AS the lives of the girls?...

    So much so that in conjunction with a pal in the travel business, in the New Year we are putting together a UK-based 'Romantic Tours'to E.Europe. Why?...because there is a market for it. For a Government travel-bonded company to help all the 'middle-aged' Uk men who WANT to meet younger girls. So are they all 'perverts' and 'potential baby-rapers', FTR?....

    HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL...and Stay One Step Ahead of the Scammers!

  7. #26
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    Apr 2004


    Wxman2003 , Aussisman40 , & Willsy999

    I read the postings and disagree with a some of what you have all said, in part that is what this forum is for, to agree, disagree, and inform,
    As to immigration:
    I cannot say about the immigration process in Australia or Ukraine, but I do know most there is about the laws that pertain to bringing a lady from Russia to the USA as I have been threw it twice within the last few years with success only to have ended in tragedy, (if interested- read prior postings) I am now waiting my turn in line again in Moscow for a third date.
    A good friend of mine who lives about 3-4 hours from me just went threw the process with his finance in Moscow this last December 16th with great results. His attorney as well had a liaison to help. She received her final paperwork (visa) immediately and has just arrived from Yosh-Kar Ola to America.
    Unless the rules have just been revised with in the last few days, they remain the same, at least from Russia to America.
    I don't know why it would be different from Ukraine to America, but maybe. but needless to say, I bet you a dollar, you don't know anymore about the immigration rules as I where Russia comes to play.
    And Wxman because you work for our US government, that is nothing to brag about, you are probably just a slacker and thief like most of the others who work for the government here. . you don't work for a living, but just put your time in.
    There's a difference in your fiancee wanting to learn English and having it mandatory to complete her visa. As there is NO such rule.
    Willsy999 : Tell your Lawyers that its my opinion that I agree with FlytoRussia as it pertains to Aussieman40.. You are as you say "playing the dating game".
    Its my opinion that you are a pervert and potential child molester as well.
    When you are with these young ladies. close your eyes and picture them as your daughter, you child molesting- son of a bit*h. Your Nothing but a game player, a heart breaker, only out for a good time , looking out for number one, a Scammer hoping not to be Scammed. The phrase "Scammer" does not nessassarealy have to mean money.
    Isn't it strange how this forum is to inform others about a Scammer?, yet serious women who need to be on the look out for guys like you. Your a waste.
    But it looks like Aussieman40 is truly ashamed of himself for what he has done, in saying he's not doing it anymore and that it was a learning experience, maybe you should follow his lead.

  8. #27
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    Sep 2004


    Just so you know, I have written personally to the dear chap who decided to libel me on this site!

    It's Christmas! Peace & Goodwill.

    I do hope that wxman was bought a dictionary for Christmas. If he wasn't, a very good one is Webster's Comprehensive Dictionary. ISBN 1888777028. An American publication - so shouldn't be hard for him to find.

    In it he will find a quote (p.1883) that sums up feelings towards his vitriolic opinion of me....

    "You are young, my son, and as the years go by, time will change, and even reverse many of your present opinions. Refrain, therefore, a while from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters."

    Plato (428 - 437 B.C.) Laws.

    Happy New Year...may you find peace and temperance in your heart. And in future...keep your opinions to yourself, old chap!...There's a good boy....

    Keep one step ahead of the Scammers, guys.

    I've broken no hearts.
    My daughter is 7.
    I am Police-checked every 2 years for my job.
    I work with children.
    I am a psychology major.
    I have had great holidays and treated the women with TOTAL respect. I am still in contact with them all.
    My nephew is married (9 yrs) to a woman 17 years OLDER than him...that makes him or her a pervert does it? He always dated 'older women'. That's what he/she like. You want to tell their son that he is the result of a union between two 'perverts'?

    It takes all sorts in this life...and we are all different. Opinions on how we conduct our lives are also different but let's all 'toe a line', guys! That's why you will never find me criticising anyone just because (in my opinion) they may choose to lead their life differently to mine.

    Chaque ? son go?t!!!

  9. #28
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    Aug 2004


    Well Comingtoyou, you can slam me all you want. As I previously said, why don't you write to the US embassy in the Ukraine. You will find out that Novemeber 1st, they changed the requirement. The person being interviewed must now be able to speak english, at least broken english, and that is what I had said in previous posts. You have not bothered to check, yet you apparently know all of this. I'm amazed at your great abilities. Sounds like you are a slacker, as you did not bother to check. Someone who makes claims such as yourself, would at least attempt to write the embassy or call the state department before saying the other person is wrong. But of course you don't, you just spout off your big mouth and say the person is wrong. Have I said you are wrong about the process in Russia? No! I was talking about the Ukraine, so get YOUR facts straight. Oh yes, I did call the state department, and got the same information.

    You are a typical fool who attacks government workers as you have no clue what we do. I can guarantee I do much more work than you do. You are obviously a typical bigoted person who attacks people based on their line of work, without even knowing what they do. I hope you are not bigoted against people of different color or creed, but if you are, that is sad.

    I'm sorry that your fiancee died, that I truly am. I do wish you success in future outcomes. I would never wish anyone bad in living a happy life.

    Willys, I will try to spell better, and I hope that makes you happy too. Peace to all.

  10. #29
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    Apr 2004


    Your a prime example of what I am talking about when it comes to the kind of people that work for our government,
    Are you nieve, brain dead. or just plain stupid?, because you certainly do not comprehend well at all.
    Hopefully you don't work with high tech.
    You may be suited for a filing or mail room position at best.

    I will say it again, only "slower", this time so maybe you will catch on, so pay attention.

    I am not interested in the rules of Ukraine, as I wrote in my last posting as follows:

    << I cannot say about the immigration process in Australia or Ukraine, but I do know most there is about the laws that pertain to bringing a lady from Russia to the USA >>

    Don't worry little guy, if is just attention you want. I'll give it to ya.

  11. #30
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    Jul 2004


    Hi all

    It has become such a terrible low level in this forum.
    Please behave, gentlemen(if you are), it's still a bit of Cristmas holliday reminding after all!

    Hasn't anyone here ever considered the possible "turnoff" factor for ("normal") women who discover that their male "e-pal" scrutinize all their taken measures? From a
    "technical evidence" view.
    -And "confront" them continouesly about it.

    - It doesn't seem so.

    Naturally they also want to feel "in contol" and try to "minimize their losses". They may think of such behavior as a proof of abnormal jealousy.
    - It's just SO human. And they're probably right, sometimes.


    See Ya




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