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  1. #1
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    Default Is she (Russian girl) scammer ??? Please help me.

    Excuse me. I found this good website a little bit late, because I already sent some money to a Russian girl via Western Union for the passport and Visa days ago. She emailed me that she will get the new passport and visa within 8 or 9 days after she applied. (I guess she will tell me that she will receive the new passport and visa within 8 or 9 days on Friday 4 May 2007 or Monday 7 May 2007.)

    But, I have not sent the money to let her buy airplane ticket yet (fortunately). I do not know whether she is a scammer (I guess she may be a scammer, but not so sure.).

    ***One more information:
    She mostly answer my questions one by one.

    (A)
    Because I do not want to waste and send my big money (at least $1220 US dollars) to her again if she is really a scammer, so I want to ask your help to analyze the whole situation.

    (B)
    But, I also do not want to miss this opportunity to meet her or further marriage if she is not a scammer but a good russian girl.

    So I hope to get help and precious insight from all gentlemen here. Thank you in advance.

    Question 1:
    She emailed me that she will get "the new passport" and "the Australian visa" within about 8 days after she applied. Is it for both "the new passport" and "the Australian visa" so quick ??? I really doubt it. Does anybody know ???

    Question 2:
    Is it so easy for a Russian girl to obtain the Australian tourist visa with Australian person's invitation letter ??? (I have never sent her any invitation letter.)

    Question 3:
    She is 28 years old and work for her company for 6 or 7 years already. Her salary is low ($100 US dollars/month). But, she told me that according to the travel agency and the regulation in the Australian Embassy in Russia, as long as her emplyer (her company or organization) can issue the evidence (certificate) of her current job to prove that she has a stable job in Russia, then she definitely can obtain the "Australian tourist visa" and the low income does not matter at all. Is it true ??? Please tell me. Thank you.
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    In addition, she told me that her parents have real estate {ie, a apartment (flat)} where they are living now. She currently lives with her parents in her parents' apartment (flat). She said this real estate document will also be provided as evidence. Does this help her to some extent to obtain the Australian tourist visa ???
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    However, Today I accessed the "Australian tourist visa website" to have a look. I think that she may be a scammer because there is a "Financial requirements" (shown below). But I am not sure whether the Australian Embassy in Russia will give the tourist visa to the Russian people looser and easier than the formal regulation of "Financial requirement" of "Australian tourist visa" (listed below). I believe that this Russian girl cannot provide evidence of "sufficient funds" to cover all costs for the duration of her stay in Australia. So, It appears that she was lying me that she can get the tourist visa without providing "sufficient funds", right?

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    "Financial requirements":
    You must have access to "sufficient funds" to cover all costs for the duration of your stay in Australia, including health insurance if required. You "MAY BE" asked to provide evidence of your funds.
    Examples: personal bank statements, pay slips, audited accounts, taxation records, credit card limit. (please see the following link)
    http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/tour...ligibility.htm
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    Question 4:
    But, Excuse me, in the above "Financial requirements",
    Why does it use "may be", rather than "are","will be" ???
    Does it mean any flexibility to allow some people without "sufficient funds" to get the Australian tourist visa)???

    Question 5:
    Does anybody here hear that some Russian people got the Australian tourist visa (recently or before) without providing evidence of sufficient funding, but she/he only provides the evidence of her/his current job issued by her/his employer ???

    Question 6:
    Has anybody heard of Nataly (or Nataly Kokova)??? or Was anybody cheated money by her via Western Union ???

    Question 7:
    I met her in Lavalife dating website. She took the initiative to find me and sent message to me. and then I replied to her. She spontaneously gave me her home address in her third email.(I did not ask her home address). In fact, I also do not know whether her home address and full English name given to me are correct or not. But she said that her family has "no telephone and no computer". she also said that she wrote emails to me from "the Internet of Cafe" (***the backgroud is very similar to some reported scammers here ???).

    Question 8:
    She is corresponding with me now. At the beginning (since the 6th or 7th email) (at least 4 to 5 emials), She asked me to go to her Russian home to meet her and see her parents. (From this angle, it seems that she has no intention to cheat my money, right? because she just want me to go to Russia to meet her!).

    But I replied to her 3 or 4 times that I do not know Russian Language so that I replied to her that it is dangerous for me to go to Russia to meet her. Then, after that, she replied to me that she is willing to come to Australia to meet me. But she has no money so that I need to send money to her to let her get the new international passport and the tourist visa first.

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    ***all the details are listed above. already. Hope all gentlemen here, please help me to analyze this case. Then, tell me whether she is 100% a scammer ???

    All in all, now, I need all your help to make a correct decision whether I can trust her to send the extra money (at least $1220 US dollars) to let her buy airplane ticket to come to Australia. (sorry, I do not want to go to Russia to meet her. so, please do not give me this suggestion. I think it is dangerous for me to go to Russia to meet her if she is really a scammer.) So, Please help me. Thank you.

    (A)
    On one hand, If she is really a scammer, I do not want to waste and send my big money (at least $1220 US dollars) to her again. So I want to ask your help to analyze the whole situation.

    (B)
    But, on the other hand, If she is not a scammer but a good russian girl, I also do not want to miss this opportunity to meet her or further marriage

    Thanks a lot for your help in advance.

    Waiting for your great help and analysis.
    Aries
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    Question 9:
    This question is not related to this Russian girl. I just heard that (1)if the Russian person's emplyer (company or organization) can issue the evidence (certificate) of her current job to prove that she/he has a stable job in Russia, and (2) she/he can buy the airplane ticket in advance before she/he apply for the Australian tourist visa (no matter where his/her funding is from, for example: her/his friend send money to her/him from overseas for ticket purchase) for checkup by the Australian embassey in Russia, then she/he definitely can obtain the "Australian tourist visa" and the low income does not matter at all. Is it true ??? Please tell me. Thank you.



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  2. #11
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    Aries, Keep trying, but be more careful. ham usually gives some pretty sound advice.

    Train

  3. #12
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    My friend, it is so sad to hear that you sent money for a lady you have never met. A modest and honest Slavic woman will not ask for money from a stranger. As to the question of whether she has truly applied for a visa, or whether an Australian company has sponsored one on her behalf, your own Dept of Immigration will have this information.

    As to her story of coming to your country soon, she may be telling the truth (but that does not excuse you for sending money...nor her for asking for it). Your Australian government is now recruiting citizens from the FSU to work and live in Australia under skilled work visa programs. She can obtain such a visa quite easily.

    It is a mistake to think that Australia has similar immigration policies such as for a FSU person to travel to America.

    The government of Australia has two worker visa types for Eastern Europeans; a 12 month visa in which the person must promise to leave after working 12 months, and a longer 4 year visa in which the person may apply for citizenship provided they meet certain requirements.

    In certain key skills (such as medicine) this recruitment waives the normal requirement of self support and medical insurance if the Russian/Ukrainian person will fill certain key skilled jobs in which Australians have a severe shortage. That also includes meat packing, construction, science and math teachers and a number of other categories.

    Your Australian government national radio/TV, which has broadcast channels in many languages, produced a special Ukrainian language broadcast aimed at recruiting workers from Ukraine as just one example. Here is a link to the Australian SBS and you can listen to the broadcast. Follow this link and scroll about 40% down the page to find that particular broadcast. http://tinyurl.com/2t9a55

    Because of the acute crisis in key sectors, the Australian government is waiving the ?points? system for in key areas, such as the medical field where your country faces severe nursing and doctor shortages. http://www.workpermit.com/australia/medical

    She may also be telling the truth about a new passport. If she is from Russia and has not renewed her foreign passport to the newer formatted passports, then it is quite reasonable for her to say that she is getting a new passport. Russia has been in the process of making passport changes in recent years. Russia has two passports: Internal for travel within the Russian Federation and a separate Foreign passport, issued only when approved for travel abroad so her claim to have a new passport could be true.

    To sort is all out, as other guys have pointed out...why does she need you to purchase her a ticket? (Your government is even paying travel expenses in key sectors!) Why do you feel like it is your responsibility to buy a ticket for someone you've never met?

    You are the man so be a leader. If you want to meet a lady, then get on a plane and go visit her. Nothing, absolutely nothing can replace the value in going and observing a RW in her community, meeting her family and friends, and seeing a lady in her natural environment. Nothing can replace this experience. Only bad decisions result from meeting in your country or in a third neutral location.



  4. #13
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    My friend, it is so sad to hear that you sent money for a lady you have never met. A modest and honest Slavic woman will not ask for money from a stranger. As to the question of whether she has truly applied for a visa, or whether an Australian company has sponsored one on her behalf, your own Dept of Immigration will have this information.

    As to her story of coming to your country soon, she may be telling the truth (but that does not excuse you for sending money...nor her for asking for it). Your Australian government is now recruiting citizens from the FSU to work and live in Australia under skilled work visa programs. She can obtain such a visa quite easily.

    It is a mistake to think that Australia has similar immigration policies such as for a FSU person to travel to America.

    The government of Australia has two worker visa types for Eastern Europeans; a 12 month visa in which the person must promise to leave after working 12 months, and a longer 4 year visa in which the person may apply for citizenship provided they meet certain requirements.

    In certain key skills (such as medicine) this recruitment waives the normal requirement of self support and medical insurance if the Russian/Ukrainian person will fill certain key skilled jobs in which Australians have a severe shortage. That also includes meat packing, construction, science and math teachers and a number of other categories.

    Your Australian government national radio/TV, which has broadcast channels in many languages, produced a special Ukrainian language broadcast aimed at recruiting workers from Ukraine as just one example. Here is a link to the Australian SBS and you can listen to the broadcast. Follow this link and scroll about 40% down the page to find that particular broadcast. http://tinyurl.com/2t9a55

    Because of the acute crisis in key sectors, the Australian government is waiving the ?points? system for in key areas, such as the medical field where your country faces severe nursing and doctor shortages. http://www.workpermit.com/australia/medical

    She may also be telling the truth about a new passport. If she is from Russia and has not renewed her foreign passport to the newer formatted passports, then it is quite reasonable for her to say that she is getting a new passport. Russia has been in the process of making passport changes in recent years. Russia has two passports: Internal for travel within the Russian Federation and a separate Foreign passport, issued only when approved for travel abroad so her claim to have a new passport could be true.

    To sort is all out, as other guys have pointed out...why does she need you to purchase her a ticket? (Your government is even paying travel expenses in key sectors!) Why do you feel like it is your responsibility to buy a ticket for someone you've never met?

    You are the man so be a leader. If you want to meet a lady, then get on a plane and go visit her. Nothing, absolutely nothing can replace the value in going and observing a RW in her community, meeting her family and friends, and seeing a lady in her natural environment. Nothing can replace this experience. Only bad decisions result from meeting in your country or in a third neutral location.



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    quote:Originally posted by cooldadman
    As to her story of coming to your country soon, she may be telling the truth (but that does not excuse you for sending money...nor her for asking for it).
    Somehow I strongly doubt that.

    Aries, please file a complaint. It is realy important that you follow up with that. Cal WU asap, find out where the money was received, and do it. Without the complaint, they (since it is probably "they," not "she") will keep enjoying the good life. After police come knocking on their door, they have to get rid of computers, move from their office, sell their cars, etc. It is totally worth the effort to inconvenience them that much. Please file a complaint.

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    quote:Originally posted by cooldadman
    As to her story of coming to your country soon, she may be telling the truth (but that does not excuse you for sending money...nor her for asking for it).
    Somehow I strongly doubt that.

    Aries, please file a complaint. It is realy important that you follow up with that. Cal WU asap, find out where the money was received, and do it. Without the complaint, they (since it is probably "they," not "she") will keep enjoying the good life. After police come knocking on their door, they have to get rid of computers, move from their office, sell their cars, etc. It is totally worth the effort to inconvenience them that much. Please file a complaint.

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    Question:


    Who do you file a complaint with that will do anything?

    The agencies or scammers are not governed by U.S. laws, and most international laws also do not apply to the FSU



    Just curious?

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    Question:


    Who do you file a complaint with that will do anything?

    The agencies or scammers are not governed by U.S. laws, and most international laws also do not apply to the FSU



    Just curious?

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    Answer:
    you find out what city the money were received in by contacting WU or MoneyGram. Then you contact the central office of the Ministry of the Internal Affairs in that region and file a complaint with them. They can submit a request to the local WU branches to dig up the paperwork for that transaction. The info from the receiver's ID should be recorded in the paperwork. From there they can start working on the case.

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    Answer:
    you find out what city the money were received in by contacting WU or MoneyGram. Then you contact the central office of the Ministry of the Internal Affairs in that region and file a complaint with them. They can submit a request to the local WU branches to dig up the paperwork for that transaction. The info from the receiver's ID should be recorded in the paperwork. From there they can start working on the case.

  11. #20
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    The fact that you needed to ask whether she is a scammer scares me.

 

 

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