Scam letter(s) from Olesya Timofeeva to William (Australia)
Letter 1
Hello William,
I am glad, to receive your answer.
Unfortunately, I can’t talk to you on-line, as I write letters to you from the internet cafe and the time is limited there.
I wish I could chat with you but right now it is just impossible as I don’t have a personal PC.
But I shall continue to send you email letters and pics.
I am going to send you my address here. As I already told you I rent my apartment and I don’t have a phone there. But here is my address, in case you decide to send me a card or a hand-written letter: - to Olesya,
apt.-3, Kolhoznaya street 4,
Tomsk, 634021, Russia Yes, I am going to come to your country. Somewhere in a month. I am going to enter the University or college. I am doing all the paperwork for this now. That's why I asked you about the colleges or Universities close to your place. So I could study and meet with you there.
I shall live in campus.
Do you want it? You want that I lived near to you in your district?
Do not forget to send me your photos.
As soon as I finish this letter I will go and have a short walk.
You know walking is one of the things I adore. It is so nice to have a long walk and then find some small cafe and get a cup of coffee there. I don’t have a car and I don’t really want to have it right now. And it is too expensive for me. I have no money to buy a car. I have never tried to drive a car and I have no license.
Walking is much more pleasant. Unfortunately, most of the times I have to walk alone. All my friends are married and they try to spend more time with their families. I also like to go to the movie a lot. But do it rather seldom. Usually I go there with my friends, but they don’t do this often. They try to spend more time with their husbands and children. As I don’t have children and a husband, I try not to bother them often. Sometimes I feel rather lonely but I try not to think of this often.
Any way, my city is too beautiful not to walk. My city is very beautiful. There are so many places of culture there, lots of monuments. It is very green. It is especially beautiful in spring and in summer time when everything is awaken after the winter.
There are also many parks and we have one boulevard with fountains.
And it is gorgeous.
Also we have some really beautiful churches. I am Christian but I am not really religious. I have my own faith inside.
And I go to the church but do it seldom. I am not fanatic about this.
I like nature very much and it is always a please to go somewhere to the country-side and to spend a day there. I like picnics, camping a lot. It is great to spend a day on the fresh air, especially when you are with friends or family. I try to enjoy it every time we do it but sometimes I feel very sad as I miss not having my second half near.
Well, I am not going to be sad, as I am sure everything will be fine. Please, tell me about your city? What is it?
What’s interesting there?
Olesya.
I am glad, to receive your answer.
Unfortunately, I can’t talk to you on-line, as I write letters to you from the internet cafe and the time is limited there.
I wish I could chat with you but right now it is just impossible as I don’t have a personal PC.
But I shall continue to send you email letters and pics.
I am going to send you my address here. As I already told you I rent my apartment and I don’t have a phone there. But here is my address, in case you decide to send me a card or a hand-written letter: - to Olesya,
apt.-3, Kolhoznaya street 4,
Tomsk, 634021, Russia Yes, I am going to come to your country. Somewhere in a month. I am going to enter the University or college. I am doing all the paperwork for this now. That's why I asked you about the colleges or Universities close to your place. So I could study and meet with you there.
I shall live in campus.
Do you want it? You want that I lived near to you in your district?
Do not forget to send me your photos.
As soon as I finish this letter I will go and have a short walk.
You know walking is one of the things I adore. It is so nice to have a long walk and then find some small cafe and get a cup of coffee there. I don’t have a car and I don’t really want to have it right now. And it is too expensive for me. I have no money to buy a car. I have never tried to drive a car and I have no license.
Walking is much more pleasant. Unfortunately, most of the times I have to walk alone. All my friends are married and they try to spend more time with their families. I also like to go to the movie a lot. But do it rather seldom. Usually I go there with my friends, but they don’t do this often. They try to spend more time with their husbands and children. As I don’t have children and a husband, I try not to bother them often. Sometimes I feel rather lonely but I try not to think of this often.
Any way, my city is too beautiful not to walk. My city is very beautiful. There are so many places of culture there, lots of monuments. It is very green. It is especially beautiful in spring and in summer time when everything is awaken after the winter.
There are also many parks and we have one boulevard with fountains.
And it is gorgeous.
Also we have some really beautiful churches. I am Christian but I am not really religious. I have my own faith inside.
And I go to the church but do it seldom. I am not fanatic about this.
I like nature very much and it is always a please to go somewhere to the country-side and to spend a day there. I like picnics, camping a lot. It is great to spend a day on the fresh air, especially when you are with friends or family. I try to enjoy it every time we do it but sometimes I feel very sad as I miss not having my second half near.
Well, I am not going to be sad, as I am sure everything will be fine. Please, tell me about your city? What is it?
What’s interesting there?
Olesya.
Letter 2
Hello William,
I am so glad I have you in my life and I have an opportunity to come to the Internet cafe and talk to you...
I am not really in a good spirit today.
I had a very bad conflict at work. Some people here in Russia think that if they have lots of money they can do and say everything they want. I had a conflict with one very rich woman at work. She didn’t like the quality of the clothes. And was so rude with me. But I am just a shop-assistant. I am not the owner and I just sell things.
Sometimes I feel that I am very tired from my life in Russia.
I have nothing. I rent a very small apartment and can’t afford anything better. I get a very small salary and prices increase here every year. But salaries are still the same. I was shocked when I get to the store to buy some food yesterday. They increased prices again for milk products. Milk costs about one US dollar which is too much. For-example, my salary is 120 US dollars a month. And a half of it I pay for the apartment.
And what is left I spend for food.
Therefore I wish to leave to live in other country.
Therefore I save money for a trip.
I am just tired from a hard life here. And I want to move to a foreign country. I want to get another education, to find a good job there. That is why I am trying to get a student visa.
I shall study and work. I shall work to pay training and my life there.
I haven't decided yet what University I am going to come to.
I am still searching information. I would like it to be close to you. I am doing the paperwork now. And as they told me my visa would be ready in a month.
But I don't know the exact dates. It is just the way things are done here. As soon as I know everything, I will let you know.
I want to have a more stable life for me and my future family.
And what is more important I want have a strong man near me and to have a comfortable life for us. So I am trying to save money any way I can for my trip and studies.
Please, forgive me for writing this to you. But I need to talk to you. It is sometimes so hard to be just by myself. And sometimes I need a strong shoulder and a friend to cry and to get an advice.
I know that you are a very understanding person. So, please, try to understand me. You are my friend and I trust you.
Now I shall go to a bathroom. I like to lay in bathing with foam.
It would be great to take a bath together. It is very relaxing. And I think it is rather romantic.
You want it with me?
PLease,let me know what you think of this.
Write me your thoughts and your dreams.
Write a replay to me. Your letter will make me glad.
I will wait with hope.
Olesya.
I am so glad I have you in my life and I have an opportunity to come to the Internet cafe and talk to you...
I am not really in a good spirit today.
I had a very bad conflict at work. Some people here in Russia think that if they have lots of money they can do and say everything they want. I had a conflict with one very rich woman at work. She didn’t like the quality of the clothes. And was so rude with me. But I am just a shop-assistant. I am not the owner and I just sell things.
Sometimes I feel that I am very tired from my life in Russia.
I have nothing. I rent a very small apartment and can’t afford anything better. I get a very small salary and prices increase here every year. But salaries are still the same. I was shocked when I get to the store to buy some food yesterday. They increased prices again for milk products. Milk costs about one US dollar which is too much. For-example, my salary is 120 US dollars a month. And a half of it I pay for the apartment.
And what is left I spend for food.
Therefore I wish to leave to live in other country.
Therefore I save money for a trip.
I am just tired from a hard life here. And I want to move to a foreign country. I want to get another education, to find a good job there. That is why I am trying to get a student visa.
I shall study and work. I shall work to pay training and my life there.
I haven't decided yet what University I am going to come to.
I am still searching information. I would like it to be close to you. I am doing the paperwork now. And as they told me my visa would be ready in a month.
But I don't know the exact dates. It is just the way things are done here. As soon as I know everything, I will let you know.
I want to have a more stable life for me and my future family.
And what is more important I want have a strong man near me and to have a comfortable life for us. So I am trying to save money any way I can for my trip and studies.
Please, forgive me for writing this to you. But I need to talk to you. It is sometimes so hard to be just by myself. And sometimes I need a strong shoulder and a friend to cry and to get an advice.
I know that you are a very understanding person. So, please, try to understand me. You are my friend and I trust you.
Now I shall go to a bathroom. I like to lay in bathing with foam.
It would be great to take a bath together. It is very relaxing. And I think it is rather romantic.
You want it with me?
PLease,let me know what you think of this.
Write me your thoughts and your dreams.
Write a replay to me. Your letter will make me glad.
I will wait with hope.
Olesya.
Letter 3
Hi dear William,
In the first lines of this message I want to apologise for complaining in my previous letter.
I don’t really want to complain and I don’t want to talk about money any more. This was the first and the last time I did it.
I was just in a very bad spiring while writing my last letter to you.
Sometimes we have bad periods in life and we need a strong shoulder of a friend. I hope that you let me think you are my friend. And I trust you that is why I decided to share my thoughts with you.
If you ever need to talk and if you ever need a friend, you can always talk to me...
I have been thinking a lot about our meeting and I want to meet with you a lot.
I am doing all the paperwork now to get a student visa. And I do hope to get it. So if I get it I will be in your country.
and I think it is really a very good opportunity for us to meet.
Please, tell me do you really want to see me? Do you want me to visit you? Do you think that we could like each other and be together in the future? Please, be honest with me and tell me the truth.
I know that you are being tired with this question. But you should understand my concerns. This is a very major decision to move to the other country.
Perhaps, you wonder why I have such a big desire to move from here. The reason is very simple. I have nobody and nothing to stay here. I will miss my friends, but they already have their families and they live with their own lives. I have parents but you know we are not in good relations with them. And I think they will not miss me.
I have no good job, have no stability. I have no family. It is very hard to live in Russia and I don’t think it will ever be better. And I am really tired from this life. That’s why I have such a strong desire to get a student visa, to come there, to get a new education, to settle down and already to have a family.
I hope that you understand me and that you support me in my decision.
Please, don’t be offended if I don’t always answer your questions.
I do it because my time in the internet cafe is limited. I don’t always answer your questions because I am in a rush when I answer your letters. I come here 3 times a week and have only 15 minutes to write to you.
I wait your answer on my questions...
Olesya.
In the first lines of this message I want to apologise for complaining in my previous letter.
I don’t really want to complain and I don’t want to talk about money any more. This was the first and the last time I did it.
I was just in a very bad spiring while writing my last letter to you.
Sometimes we have bad periods in life and we need a strong shoulder of a friend. I hope that you let me think you are my friend. And I trust you that is why I decided to share my thoughts with you.
If you ever need to talk and if you ever need a friend, you can always talk to me...
I have been thinking a lot about our meeting and I want to meet with you a lot.
I am doing all the paperwork now to get a student visa. And I do hope to get it. So if I get it I will be in your country.
and I think it is really a very good opportunity for us to meet.
Please, tell me do you really want to see me? Do you want me to visit you? Do you think that we could like each other and be together in the future? Please, be honest with me and tell me the truth.
I know that you are being tired with this question. But you should understand my concerns. This is a very major decision to move to the other country.
Perhaps, you wonder why I have such a big desire to move from here. The reason is very simple. I have nobody and nothing to stay here. I will miss my friends, but they already have their families and they live with their own lives. I have parents but you know we are not in good relations with them. And I think they will not miss me.
I have no good job, have no stability. I have no family. It is very hard to live in Russia and I don’t think it will ever be better. And I am really tired from this life. That’s why I have such a strong desire to get a student visa, to come there, to get a new education, to settle down and already to have a family.
I hope that you understand me and that you support me in my decision.
Please, don’t be offended if I don’t always answer your questions.
I do it because my time in the internet cafe is limited. I don’t always answer your questions because I am in a rush when I answer your letters. I come here 3 times a week and have only 15 minutes to write to you.
I wait your answer on my questions...
Olesya.
Letter 4
Hello dear William.
Today I am writting to you why I am alone. I am so tired that males sees on me as on beautiful pic only but not on woman.
I think you like my spirit mainly not my appearance.
That's why I feel so easy myself with you. I have never felt it with another males. I feel that you like my spirit firstly and then appearance.
I want you to understand that I do really like you very much.
And I think that we have much in common and may be if meet we will understand that we are a good match.
I am trying to get more information about the student visa and I am doing a paperwork that is neccesary for it. There are so many things that I should do for this but I think it is worth it.
I am going to come to your country. I am sure I will get my visa.
And I want to know will you meet me there? You are my friend and you are a very close person to me already. And I like you very much. I feel that there is something between us.
I hope you too have the same feelings. Of course, I can’t say that I know you very well. But I feel that you are close to me.
I wish to know you better. I wonder how it can be to spend time with you, to be with you, to cook together, to have dinner together, to watch movies, to walk holding hands.
Letters are good, they help to understand people better. But only meeting can show the real feelings. When you can touch, look into each other’s eyes, it says a lot.
Please, tell me what you think of this. Would you like to meet me?
Any way you can be my friend. I will be in a foreign country and I will need a person I can trust. And I trust you already and I hope you do the same.
Please, think on this and let me know if you too want to meet with me. I want it very much. I want to see you in real life, to talk to you, to know you real but not only through the letters.
I think, I can trust you?
I already wrote to you, that all my pics is done by my friend Vika.
She says I have a beautiful body.
She is a very talanted photographer and I like to be her model.
She is my friend and is a very good girl. She usually takes pics of me. We went to work together.
She works close to my place. She is a shop-assistant too.
Also today she has made 2 pics me and my passport.
I shall attach to you it in the following letter.
I will go now to get more information about visa.
I am going to get very important information.
I hope to hear good news.
I shall have information approximately in half an hour.
Olesya.
Letter 5
Hello my dear William!
I have all the information about my visa now. And I will get it without any problems. It will be so great to come to your country at last and to see you. I even can’t believe this could happen some day! Yes, perhaps, I act like a silly girl.
But I already dream of our meeting. I try to imagine how this could be. How I will touch your hand, look into your eyes.
So now I have to do is to show them all the papers and to pay for it.
But here I have one problem. I tried to save money. But I didn’t expect I would have to pay for visa so soon. I thought it would be later. So I don’t have enough money right now.
And I need your help in this if you really want to meet me.
I need 240 US dollars to pay for visa.
It will include medical insurance and everything that should be there. Perhaps, you think why it is so expensive. Well, sum of money includes visa, insurance, medical certificate and many other papers.
I already have got my passport for going abroad. I have already made it and have paid for it. But I didn’t think that they would give visa so soon. And if I don’t pay for it now, I could have problems in the future with getting visa. And I don’t want to miss this chance. To prove you that I am real and I don’t lie to you, I am going to attach you a copy of my passport.
So all I need to do now is to pay for visa. And then everything will be done and all we have to do is wait for the time it is issued. I have only 7-10 to pay for it and I will get it without any problems.
This visa allows me to stay in your country for 3 months.
And to enter any university during 3 months. I can stay for longer is I enter the university. But if I find a job I can stay for the rest of the time in your country if I find a job when I finish my education. But I also plan to work there while I study. I don't want to depend on any one.
I will return back your 240 $. I am asking it to borrow.
I will work and return back it. I promise.
I’ve got to know that the best way for you to send money through Western Union or Money gram. Please, don’t send me money by regular mail. First, for sure I will not get it as they steal money and things here. And also it will take long time for the mail to come. And then I will miss my chance with visa already.
So, please, use WU or Money gram for sending money. It is an easy and quick way to get it.
You already know my address, I’ve sent it to you already.
And my full name is Olesya Timofeeva.
You better check WesternUnion.com or Moneygram.com to get more information and also offices that are close to you.
You can send money to any Western Union of Tomsk.
Please, understand my problem and send me 240 dollars.
So, please, let me know if you can help me in this.
Olesya.
I have all the information about my visa now. And I will get it without any problems. It will be so great to come to your country at last and to see you. I even can’t believe this could happen some day! Yes, perhaps, I act like a silly girl.
But I already dream of our meeting. I try to imagine how this could be. How I will touch your hand, look into your eyes.
So now I have to do is to show them all the papers and to pay for it.
But here I have one problem. I tried to save money. But I didn’t expect I would have to pay for visa so soon. I thought it would be later. So I don’t have enough money right now.
And I need your help in this if you really want to meet me.
I need 240 US dollars to pay for visa.
It will include medical insurance and everything that should be there. Perhaps, you think why it is so expensive. Well, sum of money includes visa, insurance, medical certificate and many other papers.
I already have got my passport for going abroad. I have already made it and have paid for it. But I didn’t think that they would give visa so soon. And if I don’t pay for it now, I could have problems in the future with getting visa. And I don’t want to miss this chance. To prove you that I am real and I don’t lie to you, I am going to attach you a copy of my passport.
So all I need to do now is to pay for visa. And then everything will be done and all we have to do is wait for the time it is issued. I have only 7-10 to pay for it and I will get it without any problems.
This visa allows me to stay in your country for 3 months.
And to enter any university during 3 months. I can stay for longer is I enter the university. But if I find a job I can stay for the rest of the time in your country if I find a job when I finish my education. But I also plan to work there while I study. I don't want to depend on any one.
I will return back your 240 $. I am asking it to borrow.
I will work and return back it. I promise.
I’ve got to know that the best way for you to send money through Western Union or Money gram. Please, don’t send me money by regular mail. First, for sure I will not get it as they steal money and things here. And also it will take long time for the mail to come. And then I will miss my chance with visa already.
So, please, use WU or Money gram for sending money. It is an easy and quick way to get it.
You already know my address, I’ve sent it to you already.
And my full name is Olesya Timofeeva.
You better check WesternUnion.com or Moneygram.com to get more information and also offices that are close to you.
You can send money to any Western Union of Tomsk.
Please, understand my problem and send me 240 dollars.
So, please, let me know if you can help me in this.
Olesya.
Letter 6
Dear William,
I do not know what to start my letter with. I feel shame and offended. I just want to tell you that I am completely serious.
I have serious intentions to come to you and I am not going to lie to you. I am not a silly little girl that plays games to get money. Cant you see it from my letters? I understand that I should settle down already and that is why I am going to move to another country. I know that in Russia I will not be able to have a strong family and good job. I will be unhappy.
Here men dont look at women as you do it. I have decided to move long time ago. But couldnt start doing it before I met you. I didnt want to go to your country without love. .
I asked you to send me 240 USD. And I feel shame for this. But I had no other choice then to ask you. The problem is that I have only 7-10 days to pay for my visa. I didnt realize I would need the money so urgently. They took my papers and told me that I wouldnt pay in 7-10 days, they would just refuse me. And then I will not have another chance to get visa to your country.
It was a shock for me . I thought that I could just leave the papers and then pay for it before the trip. I think I would be able to find the money by that time. But it was beyond my forces/ I was shocked. I went to all my friends and acquaintances. But all refused to me. They dont give such a big sum of money. I dont ask my parents as they just dont give me money. When the last time I asked them to help me, they refused me. They told me they had to support my Brother and themselves. It hurt me. That is why I do not ask them about anything any more and I almost dont talk to them.
I asked my friend Vika to help me, but she had not such money.
She is married and has a child. And recently they have bought an apartment and took it in credit. I also went to the bank to check there. But they even didnt listen to me. My salary is only 120 USD. And they just cant give me 240 USD. I had tears. That is why I decided to ask you. And I feel shame for this. I understand that it is very difficult for you to trust the girl you have never seen before. Lots of Russian women lied to foreigners. But I am not the same. I am real.
And I am not going to lie to you! I promise!
I know that 240 USD is not such a big sum of money in your country. And I ask you this money not as A present to me, I am going to give them back to you. As soon as I come there and start working I will give you money back. I told you I was going to study and to work. I will be able to pay for my studies and for my accommodation.
I already told you I was going to get a student visa for 3 months. I will be able to come to your country and to choose any university or college. I have 3 months to enter it. And I can stay there as soon as I finish it. I am going to choose the one that is close to you to be able to see you often and perhaps we could get married.
You are really a very dear person to me and I want to be with you and if you fall in love with me, we can get married in the future. If we are together, we will build our future together. I am not the one who wants to get everything in at once. WE will work together and pay our bills. I understand that family is for the rest of the life in joy and sorrows.
And I will understand if you decide not to have a family with me, and we can just be friends. I will understand if you fall in love with another woman. You cant order your heart who to love. I understand that you can like me through the letters but in real life you may not fall in love with me.
I ask you one more time, please, understand me and send me 240USD.
I already told you that you have to send me money to my city.
You should use Western Union or Money Gram for this.
And use my address that I have sent to you.
You should send money to Tomsk for my name.
My full name - Olesya Timofeeva.
Olesya this is my name
Timofeeva is my last name.
You dont need anything else to send the money.
As soon as you send the money they will give you secret number ( MTCN or Reference Number ). And youll have to tell me it.
Or I will not be able to get the money without it.
As I already told you could get all the information and the address of the office at the site - westernunion.com
or
moneygram.com.
I dont know what else to say for you to send me money as soon as possible as my time is limited.
Next time they will just refuse me in visa. I wrote you all the truth in this letter. I am sincere and open with you.
I hope that you will understand me and decide to meet with me. Please, believe me and send me 240 USD. And please, remember that I have only 7-10 days to pay for it.
P.S. I was in such a rush that I forgot to take pics with me. I will send them next time.
I promise you.
Olesya.
I do not know what to start my letter with. I feel shame and offended. I just want to tell you that I am completely serious.
I have serious intentions to come to you and I am not going to lie to you. I am not a silly little girl that plays games to get money. Cant you see it from my letters? I understand that I should settle down already and that is why I am going to move to another country. I know that in Russia I will not be able to have a strong family and good job. I will be unhappy.
Here men dont look at women as you do it. I have decided to move long time ago. But couldnt start doing it before I met you. I didnt want to go to your country without love. .
I asked you to send me 240 USD. And I feel shame for this. But I had no other choice then to ask you. The problem is that I have only 7-10 days to pay for my visa. I didnt realize I would need the money so urgently. They took my papers and told me that I wouldnt pay in 7-10 days, they would just refuse me. And then I will not have another chance to get visa to your country.
It was a shock for me . I thought that I could just leave the papers and then pay for it before the trip. I think I would be able to find the money by that time. But it was beyond my forces/ I was shocked. I went to all my friends and acquaintances. But all refused to me. They dont give such a big sum of money. I dont ask my parents as they just dont give me money. When the last time I asked them to help me, they refused me. They told me they had to support my Brother and themselves. It hurt me. That is why I do not ask them about anything any more and I almost dont talk to them.
I asked my friend Vika to help me, but she had not such money.
She is married and has a child. And recently they have bought an apartment and took it in credit. I also went to the bank to check there. But they even didnt listen to me. My salary is only 120 USD. And they just cant give me 240 USD. I had tears. That is why I decided to ask you. And I feel shame for this. I understand that it is very difficult for you to trust the girl you have never seen before. Lots of Russian women lied to foreigners. But I am not the same. I am real.
And I am not going to lie to you! I promise!
I know that 240 USD is not such a big sum of money in your country. And I ask you this money not as A present to me, I am going to give them back to you. As soon as I come there and start working I will give you money back. I told you I was going to study and to work. I will be able to pay for my studies and for my accommodation.
I already told you I was going to get a student visa for 3 months. I will be able to come to your country and to choose any university or college. I have 3 months to enter it. And I can stay there as soon as I finish it. I am going to choose the one that is close to you to be able to see you often and perhaps we could get married.
You are really a very dear person to me and I want to be with you and if you fall in love with me, we can get married in the future. If we are together, we will build our future together. I am not the one who wants to get everything in at once. WE will work together and pay our bills. I understand that family is for the rest of the life in joy and sorrows.
And I will understand if you decide not to have a family with me, and we can just be friends. I will understand if you fall in love with another woman. You cant order your heart who to love. I understand that you can like me through the letters but in real life you may not fall in love with me.
I ask you one more time, please, understand me and send me 240USD.
I already told you that you have to send me money to my city.
You should use Western Union or Money Gram for this.
And use my address that I have sent to you.
You should send money to Tomsk for my name.
My full name - Olesya Timofeeva.
Olesya this is my name
Timofeeva is my last name.
You dont need anything else to send the money.
As soon as you send the money they will give you secret number ( MTCN or Reference Number ). And youll have to tell me it.
Or I will not be able to get the money without it.
As I already told you could get all the information and the address of the office at the site - westernunion.com
or
moneygram.com.
I dont know what else to say for you to send me money as soon as possible as my time is limited.
Next time they will just refuse me in visa. I wrote you all the truth in this letter. I am sincere and open with you.
I hope that you will understand me and decide to meet with me. Please, believe me and send me 240 USD. And please, remember that I have only 7-10 days to pay for it.
P.S. I was in such a rush that I forgot to take pics with me. I will send them next time.
I promise you.
Olesya.
Created: 2011-08-12 Last updated: 2011-08-12 Views: 1585